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ALLEYCAT BLUES51480 Posts
On May 26 2012 17:24 SiroKO wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2012 17:22 Scarecrow wrote:On May 26 2012 17:16 Otolia wrote:
That was terrible. They are terrible. The elephant is a tiny tiny tiny beast. Did you watch killer's PvP last night? It's a shit mu, one of them is in the airforce and can't even practice full time for the 6 weeks or so since he switched. The elephant's relevant if you watched zero's play earlier today and the article never said they'd be dominating in such a short time. Even the coaches and players said sc:bw and sc2 were 2 different games, and that skill in bw wasn't linearly translating into sc2. Now you've the results to back it up. What more would be needed to abundon your fairy tale of seeing code A BW players above everyone else in a few months ?
what the fuck is a Code A BW player?
again players have to practice BOTH BW and SC2. even if the skills transfer well its would be really hard to practice for 2 games at a professional level.
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On May 26 2012 17:21 knot wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2012 17:16 BLinD-RawR wrote:![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/0V2MY.png) If you look at this image you will see something very very wrong... PvP 26 minute expand to nat - looks normal to me?!?
Check P7 and P1 guys.
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On May 26 2012 17:24 SiroKO wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2012 17:22 Scarecrow wrote:On May 26 2012 17:16 Otolia wrote:
That was terrible. They are terrible. The elephant is a tiny tiny tiny beast. Did you watch killer's PvP last night? It's a shit mu, one of them is in the airforce and can't even practice full time for the 6 weeks or so since he switched. The elephant's relevant if you watched zero's play earlier today and the article never said they'd be dominating in such a short time. Even the coaches and players said sc:bw and sc2 were 2 different games, and that skill in bw wasn't linearly translating into sc2. Now you've the results to back it up. What more would be needed to abundon your fairy tale of seeing code A BW players above everyone else in a few months ?
Nothing has happened. The article was written with no knowledge of the dual league. These PL games are in no way an indication of the legitimacy or failures of that article. All the top SC2 players were ex-BW players, with no exception. When these players are allowed to fully transition to SC2 we will see how good they truly can be. Many recent GSL games haven't looked much better if at all compared to the PL games.
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opterown
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On May 26 2012 17:28 Dodgin wrote:i'll make it if no one else does like an hour before it starts tomorrow.
awesome  thanks!
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On May 26 2012 17:28 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2012 17:25 SarcasmMonster wrote:On May 26 2012 17:20 BLinD-RawR wrote:On May 26 2012 17:19 SarcasmMonster wrote:On May 26 2012 17:17 BLinD-RawR wrote:On May 26 2012 17:16 Otolia wrote:
That was terrible. They are terrible. The elephant is a tiny tiny tiny beast. why are people still on about the elephant. Basically, the BW pros have not met the hype. it only comes to affect when there is a full transition. not this fucking hybrid league. Here's a quote from the infamous Elephant article. I am saying that there are 300 current pros and semi-pros that have the potential to come in and dominate SC2 at any moment, with a latency of a few months from the day they switch. Among this group there are a notable few that CRUSH any other players in terms of raw talent and/or work ethic and/or ability to learn. This knowledge cheapens any form of competition I see right now, no matter how much I try to enjoy the games. That's very strong rhetoric. From what I can tell, some BW pros have been playing for 2-3 months. The hype is that these guys are suppose to be a world above MVP, MMA, MC, Nestea (some of the names mentioned in the article) very quickly after the switch. it was wrong, obviously. not sure why you keep bringing up an article that was written a year ago when everyone was bad at sc2.
You fail to take into consideration that that article meant 1 game! not both at the same time. Give it couple of months more, and the elephant will grow considerably. Why are people so ignorant and expect the change to happen over night?
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On May 26 2012 17:28 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2012 17:24 SiroKO wrote:On May 26 2012 17:22 Scarecrow wrote:On May 26 2012 17:16 Otolia wrote:
That was terrible. They are terrible. The elephant is a tiny tiny tiny beast. Did you watch killer's PvP last night? It's a shit mu, one of them is in the airforce and can't even practice full time for the 6 weeks or so since he switched. The elephant's relevant if you watched zero's play earlier today and the article never said they'd be dominating in such a short time. Even the coaches and players said sc:bw and sc2 were 2 different games, and that skill in bw wasn't linearly translating into sc2. Now you've the results to back it up. What more would be needed to abundon your fairy tale of seeing code A BW players above everyone else in a few months ? what the fuck is a Code A BW player? again players have to practice BOTH BW and SC2. even if the skills transfer well its would be really hard to practice for 2 games at a professional level.
Hey brawr can you make the LR for the spl section in broodwar ? I am busy tomorrow ... if you can that's great ^_^
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ALLEYCAT BLUES51480 Posts
On May 26 2012 17:32 Sawamura wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2012 17:28 BLinD-RawR wrote:On May 26 2012 17:24 SiroKO wrote:On May 26 2012 17:22 Scarecrow wrote:On May 26 2012 17:16 Otolia wrote:
That was terrible. They are terrible. The elephant is a tiny tiny tiny beast. Did you watch killer's PvP last night? It's a shit mu, one of them is in the airforce and can't even practice full time for the 6 weeks or so since he switched. The elephant's relevant if you watched zero's play earlier today and the article never said they'd be dominating in such a short time. Even the coaches and players said sc:bw and sc2 were 2 different games, and that skill in bw wasn't linearly translating into sc2. Now you've the results to back it up. What more would be needed to abundon your fairy tale of seeing code A BW players above everyone else in a few months ? what the fuck is a Code A BW player? again players have to practice BOTH BW and SC2. even if the skills transfer well its would be really hard to practice for 2 games at a professional level. Hey brawr can you make the LR for the spl section in broodwar ? I am busy tomorrow ... if you can that's great ^_^
I've been reluctant to do PL LR threads because of feeling very unhyped but at least X10A has made it fun so sure I'll do it.
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BW needs to be LR'd with sc2 unit names, just like how sc2 was being LR'd with ground arbiters and fire vultures.
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On May 26 2012 17:34 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2012 17:32 Sawamura wrote:On May 26 2012 17:28 BLinD-RawR wrote:On May 26 2012 17:24 SiroKO wrote:On May 26 2012 17:22 Scarecrow wrote:On May 26 2012 17:16 Otolia wrote:
That was terrible. They are terrible. The elephant is a tiny tiny tiny beast. Did you watch killer's PvP last night? It's a shit mu, one of them is in the airforce and can't even practice full time for the 6 weeks or so since he switched. The elephant's relevant if you watched zero's play earlier today and the article never said they'd be dominating in such a short time. Even the coaches and players said sc:bw and sc2 were 2 different games, and that skill in bw wasn't linearly translating into sc2. Now you've the results to back it up. What more would be needed to abundon your fairy tale of seeing code A BW players above everyone else in a few months ? what the fuck is a Code A BW player? again players have to practice BOTH BW and SC2. even if the skills transfer well its would be really hard to practice for 2 games at a professional level. Hey brawr can you make the LR for the spl section in broodwar ? I am busy tomorrow ... if you can that's great ^_^ I've been reluctant to do PL LR threads because of feeling very unhyped but at least X10A has made it fun so sure I'll do it.
Thanks brawr ^_^
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opterown
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On May 26 2012 17:34 Oboeman wrote:
BW needs to be LR'd with sc2 unit names, just like how sc2 was being LR'd with ground arbiters and fire vultures.
ahaha indeed
we can have stuff like
-dancing immortals
-motherships that you can have a lot of
-crab infestors
-reaper-hellions (vultures)
-burrow roaches that shoot spines
-fire marauders
-banshess that shoot air
etc
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On May 26 2012 17:34 Oboeman wrote:
BW needs to be LR'd with sc2 unit names, just like how sc2 was being LR'd with ground arbiters and fire vultures.
Ground Arbiters?
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On May 26 2012 17:24 SiroKO wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2012 17:22 Scarecrow wrote:On May 26 2012 17:16 Otolia wrote:
That was terrible. They are terrible. The elephant is a tiny tiny tiny beast. Did you watch killer's PvP last night? It's a shit mu, one of them is in the airforce and can't even practice full time for the 6 weeks or so since he switched. The elephant's relevant if you watched zero's play earlier today and the article never said they'd be dominating in such a short time. Even the coaches and players said sc:bw and sc2 were 2 different games, and that skill in bw wasn't linearly translating into sc2. Now you've the results to back it up. What more would be needed to abundon your fairy tale of seeing code A BW players above everyone else in a few months ?
But my dear friend BW players have been above everyone else since the beta of SC2 . The difference here is that the TOP BW players have started playing the game later , because they had no reason to switch with all the good money they are making in BW .They are making good money right now while learning SC2 also .
BW pros are being payed to practise for at least 8 hours a day BW and SC2 . They will practise at least 8 hours a day SC2 when PL swithes completely to SC2 . Top players like Flash , Jaedong , Bisu , Fantasy , Stork , Zero , Effort and others practise more then 8 hours a day to remain the best in the sport . So expect them to excell once BW is over . Then will see where SC2 is heading and with HOTS beeing released everyone will start on equal grounds . I personally hope for GOM and Kespa to work together in the future .
Code A is just a quallifier for Code S it's not even a good term for the measurement of skills . Yes it's the strongest tournament in SC2 right now , but it has a small sample size . If all the BW pros had a run from Code B to Code S i would put money that a big number of them will make code A and get eliminated while going to code S . Some could make Code S who knows SC2 skill ceiling isn't that big for that not impossible to happen .
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On May 26 2012 17:25 SarcasmMonster wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2012 17:20 BLinD-RawR wrote:On May 26 2012 17:19 SarcasmMonster wrote:On May 26 2012 17:17 BLinD-RawR wrote:On May 26 2012 17:16 Otolia wrote:
That was terrible. They are terrible. The elephant is a tiny tiny tiny beast. why are people still on about the elephant. Basically, the BW pros have not met the hype. it only comes to affect when there is a full transition. not this fucking hybrid league. Here's a quote from the infamous Elephant article. Show nested quote +I am saying that there are 300 current pros and semi-pros that have the potential to come in and dominate SC2 at any moment, with a latency of a few months from the day they switch. Among this group there are a notable few that CRUSH any other players in terms of raw talent and/or work ethic and/or ability to learn. This knowledge cheapens any form of competition I see right now, no matter how much I try to enjoy the games. That's very strong rhetoric. From what I can tell, some BW pros have been playing for 2-3 months. The hype is that these guys are suppose to be a world above MVP, MMA, MC, Nestea (some of the names mentioned in the article) very quickly after the switch.
Didn't MVP, who's average/above-average A-teamer, spend about 6 months practicing before he started to come onto the scene in SC2? And this was back when it was less competitive and he could practice entirely in SC2? Currently, BW pros just came back from an offseason in which they all had vacations, came back to basically start anew in SC2 while still practicing a little BW, and what do you expect?
As for those who have practiced longer, they are mostly B-teamers whom the teams don't need for the proleague last season. So to compare them with star players is absurd to say the least.
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On May 26 2012 17:39 Fanatic-Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2012 17:34 Oboeman wrote:
BW needs to be LR'd with sc2 unit names, just like how sc2 was being LR'd with ground arbiters and fire vultures. Ground Arbiters?
sentries, because they can cast rampstasis
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On May 26 2012 17:44 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2012 17:39 Fanatic-Templar wrote:On May 26 2012 17:34 Oboeman wrote:
BW needs to be LR'd with sc2 unit names, just like how sc2 was being LR'd with ground arbiters and fire vultures. Ground Arbiters? sentries, because they can cast rampstasis
That's... pretty weak actually. Better call them High Templar, they're both ground units recruited from Gateways who can cast Hallucination, so at least there's that. Besides, Motherships are clearly already Arbiters.
It'd make more sense to call stasis on ramps Force Fields rather than the other way 'round, since Force Fields are actually working as intended whereas stasised ramps are a seldom used and unexpected derivative from the ability's actual purpose.
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protossleague indeed, what are the race winstats overall by now?
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On May 26 2012 17:42 baubo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2012 17:25 SarcasmMonster wrote:On May 26 2012 17:20 BLinD-RawR wrote:On May 26 2012 17:19 SarcasmMonster wrote:On May 26 2012 17:17 BLinD-RawR wrote:On May 26 2012 17:16 Otolia wrote:
That was terrible. They are terrible. The elephant is a tiny tiny tiny beast. why are people still on about the elephant. Basically, the BW pros have not met the hype. it only comes to affect when there is a full transition. not this fucking hybrid league. Here's a quote from the infamous Elephant article. I am saying that there are 300 current pros and semi-pros that have the potential to come in and dominate SC2 at any moment, with a latency of a few months from the day they switch. Among this group there are a notable few that CRUSH any other players in terms of raw talent and/or work ethic and/or ability to learn. This knowledge cheapens any form of competition I see right now, no matter how much I try to enjoy the games. That's very strong rhetoric. From what I can tell, some BW pros have been playing for 2-3 months. The hype is that these guys are suppose to be a world above MVP, MMA, MC, Nestea (some of the names mentioned in the article) very quickly after the switch. Didn't MVP, who's average/above-average A-teamer, spend about 6 months practicing before he started to come onto the scene in SC2? And this was back when it was less competitive and he could practice entirely in SC2? Currently, BW pros just came back from an offseason in which they all had vacations, came back to basically start anew in SC2 while still practicing a little BW, and what do you expect? As for those who have practiced longer, they are mostly B-teamers whom the teams don't need for the proleague last season. So to compare them with star players is absurd to say the least.
not to mention, as other people have said, they have to practice for two games. Especially the top bw players too who have to worry about the OSL
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On May 26 2012 17:48 Fanatic-Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2012 17:44 opterown wrote:On May 26 2012 17:39 Fanatic-Templar wrote:On May 26 2012 17:34 Oboeman wrote:
BW needs to be LR'd with sc2 unit names, just like how sc2 was being LR'd with ground arbiters and fire vultures. Ground Arbiters? sentries, because they can cast rampstasis That's... pretty weak actually. Better call them High Templar, they're both ground units recruited from Gateways who can cast Hallucination, so at least there's that. Besides, Motherships are clearly already Arbiters. It'd make more sense to call stasis on ramps Force Fields rather than the other way 'round, since Force Fields are actually working as intended whereas stasised ramps are a seldom used and unexpected derivative from the ability's actual purpose.
Weak or not it all started as a joke in the bw live report forums and it stayed with us since than . Bw players trying to look for familiar things in sc2 and we found that sentries really function like ground arbiters forcefield looks like stasis . Also if the protoss in sc1 and broodwar had these technology there will be no invasion of aiur instead it would have look like a one sided win from the protoss against kerrigan forces.
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On May 26 2012 17:53 Sawamura wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2012 17:48 Fanatic-Templar wrote:On May 26 2012 17:44 opterown wrote:On May 26 2012 17:39 Fanatic-Templar wrote:On May 26 2012 17:34 Oboeman wrote:
BW needs to be LR'd with sc2 unit names, just like how sc2 was being LR'd with ground arbiters and fire vultures. Ground Arbiters? sentries, because they can cast rampstasis That's... pretty weak actually. Better call them High Templar, they're both ground units recruited from Gateways who can cast Hallucination, so at least there's that. Besides, Motherships are clearly already Arbiters. It'd make more sense to call stasis on ramps Force Fields rather than the other way 'round, since Force Fields are actually working as intended whereas stasised ramps are a seldom used and unexpected derivative from the ability's actual purpose. Weak or not it all started as a joke in the bw live report forums and it stayed with us since than . Bw players trying to look for familiar things in sc2 and we found that sentries really function like ground arbiters forcefield looks like stasis . Also if the protoss in sc1 and broodwar had these technology there will be no invasion of aiur instead it would have look like a one sided win from the protoss against kerrigan forces.
Ah, it's an inside joke. That's fine then.
EDIT: Wait, is "Scouts" supposed to refer to Void Rays? Because if so, that would be awesome.
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Hey guys,
I can't watch the ProLeague. It always says "This video is not availably" (or the German Translation of this as I live in Germany) Is here anyone with the same problem? (i tried it multiple times already and everytime it gives me this message. I couldn't watch any ProLeague yet. Can somebody help me please?
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