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On May 26 2012 17:31 SupLilSon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2012 17:24 SiroKO wrote:On May 26 2012 17:22 Scarecrow wrote:On May 26 2012 17:16 Otolia wrote:
That was terrible. They are terrible. The elephant is a tiny tiny tiny beast. Did you watch killer's PvP last night? It's a shit mu, one of them is in the airforce and can't even practice full time for the 6 weeks or so since he switched. The elephant's relevant if you watched zero's play earlier today and the article never said they'd be dominating in such a short time. Even the coaches and players said sc:bw and sc2 were 2 different games, and that skill in bw wasn't linearly translating into sc2. Now you've the results to back it up. What more would be needed to abundon your fairy tale of seeing code A BW players above everyone else in a few months ? Nothing has happened. The article was written with no knowledge of the dual league. These PL games are in no way an indication of the legitimacy or failures of that article. All the top SC2 players were ex-BW players, with no exception. When these players are allowed to fully transition to SC2 we will see how good they truly can be. Many recent GSL games haven't looked much better if at all compared to the PL games.
Stephano, Thorzain, Grubby are now arguably the best foreigners.
None of them ever plaid BW at a decent level, they were war3 players.
And Stephano is now a better Zerg than Moon.
The reason why ex Korean BW players are dominating SC2 in Korea is because failed/retired BW pgmer were the only one with the motivation and mechanics to dominate it since they're no other RTS players there.
You don't hear about all the ex BW players who failed, precisely, because they failed.
Look at Hyun, forgg etc... who were all far better than the likes of MMA or Nestea...
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On May 26 2012 17:57 roym899 wrote:
Hey guys,
I can't watch the ProLeague. It always says "This video is not availably" (or the German Translation of this as I live in Germany) Is here anyone with the same problem? (i tried it multiple times already and everytime it gives me this message. I couldn't watch any ProLeague yet. Can somebody help me please?
Try this ?
http://www.youtube.com/user/ESportsTV?feature=g-all-u
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On May 26 2012 18:01 Sawamura wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2012 17:57 roym899 wrote:
Hey guys,
I can't watch the ProLeague. It always says "This video is not availably" (or the German Translation of this as I live in Germany) Is here anyone with the same problem? (i tried it multiple times already and everytime it gives me this message. I couldn't watch any ProLeague yet. Can somebody help me please? Try this ? http://www.youtube.com/user/ESportsTV?feature=g-all-u
you'll need to use a restream, youtube in blocked in germany or something retarded like that
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Are there HD quality vods uploaded somewhere ?
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On May 26 2012 17:23 cablesc wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2012 17:22 raga4ka wrote:On May 26 2012 17:20 zaii wrote:On May 26 2012 17:19 Fionn wrote:
Bisu/Fantasy SC2 debut + Effort SC2 + Flash/Jaedong SC2 for tomorrow. Should be good. Can you plz tell me why it's not on the calendar? Yeah what the fuck is up with that ? PL is the biggest thing in e-sports and it's not in the calendar ... You guys have to show BW. PL is still BW according to the calendar.
it's always enabled on mine.
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On May 26 2012 18:00 SiroKO wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2012 17:31 SupLilSon wrote:On May 26 2012 17:24 SiroKO wrote:On May 26 2012 17:22 Scarecrow wrote:On May 26 2012 17:16 Otolia wrote:
That was terrible. They are terrible. The elephant is a tiny tiny tiny beast. Did you watch killer's PvP last night? It's a shit mu, one of them is in the airforce and can't even practice full time for the 6 weeks or so since he switched. The elephant's relevant if you watched zero's play earlier today and the article never said they'd be dominating in such a short time. Even the coaches and players said sc:bw and sc2 were 2 different games, and that skill in bw wasn't linearly translating into sc2. Now you've the results to back it up. What more would be needed to abundon your fairy tale of seeing code A BW players above everyone else in a few months ? Nothing has happened. The article was written with no knowledge of the dual league. These PL games are in no way an indication of the legitimacy or failures of that article. All the top SC2 players were ex-BW players, with no exception. When these players are allowed to fully transition to SC2 we will see how good they truly can be. Many recent GSL games haven't looked much better if at all compared to the PL games. Stephano, Thorzain, Grubby are now arguably the best foreigners. None of them ever plaid BW at a decent level, they were war3 players. And Stephano is now a better Zerg than Moon. The reason why ex Korean BW players are dominating SC2 in Korea is because failed/retired BW pgmer were the only one with the motivation and mechanics to dominate it since they're no other RTS players there. You don't hear about all the ex BW players who failed, precisely, because they failed. Look at Hyun, forgg etc... who were all far better than the likes of MMA or Nestea...
I don't think anybody cares about the foreign scene in relation to the elephant.
The elephant thread was posted ages ago. It was the case then it is not the case now. Some BW players have said that when they tried SC2 a while ago the switch then would have been far easier but that the skill level has increased since then. Moreover, everybody has admitted that it will take a while for BW pros to adjust and of course some will not make it. But the general idea is still there.
So stop going full retard.
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On May 26 2012 18:02 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2012 18:01 Sawamura wrote:On May 26 2012 17:57 roym899 wrote:
Hey guys,
I can't watch the ProLeague. It always says "This video is not availably" (or the German Translation of this as I live in Germany) Is here anyone with the same problem? (i tried it multiple times already and everytime it gives me this message. I couldn't watch any ProLeague yet. Can somebody help me please? Try this ? http://www.youtube.com/user/ESportsTV?feature=g-all-u you'll need to use a restream, youtube in blocked in germany or something retarded like that
that's partly true, i can watch the videos but not the live stream (if they have one, i can't know ^^)
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On May 26 2012 18:00 SiroKO wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2012 17:31 SupLilSon wrote:On May 26 2012 17:24 SiroKO wrote:On May 26 2012 17:22 Scarecrow wrote:On May 26 2012 17:16 Otolia wrote:
That was terrible. They are terrible. The elephant is a tiny tiny tiny beast. Did you watch killer's PvP last night? It's a shit mu, one of them is in the airforce and can't even practice full time for the 6 weeks or so since he switched. The elephant's relevant if you watched zero's play earlier today and the article never said they'd be dominating in such a short time. Even the coaches and players said sc:bw and sc2 were 2 different games, and that skill in bw wasn't linearly translating into sc2. Now you've the results to back it up. What more would be needed to abundon your fairy tale of seeing code A BW players above everyone else in a few months ? Nothing has happened. The article was written with no knowledge of the dual league. These PL games are in no way an indication of the legitimacy or failures of that article. All the top SC2 players were ex-BW players, with no exception. When these players are allowed to fully transition to SC2 we will see how good they truly can be. Many recent GSL games haven't looked much better if at all compared to the PL games. Stephano, Thorzain, Grubby are now arguably the best foreigners. None of them ever plaid BW at a decent level, they were war3 players. And Stephano is now a better Zerg than Moon. The reason why ex Korean BW players are dominating SC2 in Korea is because failed/retired BW pgmer were the only one with the motivation and mechanics to dominate it since they're no other RTS players there. You don't hear about all the ex BW players who failed, precisely, because they failed. Look at Hyun, forgg etc... who were all far better than the likes of MMA or Nestea...
Using players who transitioned well after their prime as the basis of your argument is a bad idea. Either way, Forgg is code S level and Hyun is apparently a practice bonjwa.
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On May 26 2012 17:17 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2012 17:16 Otolia wrote:
That was terrible. They are terrible. The elephant is a tiny tiny tiny beast. why are people still on about the elephant.
People are still on about the elephant because it was how most of us were welcomed by the BW community with contempt, despise and sometimes hate. The games were terrible. I have no interest in watching them anymore. Even the french amateur scene is more advanced than them.
I'll come back for the 2nd round and I'll judge then if they made any relevant progress.
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On May 26 2012 19:08 Otolia wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2012 17:17 BLinD-RawR wrote:On May 26 2012 17:16 Otolia wrote:
That was terrible. They are terrible. The elephant is a tiny tiny tiny beast. why are people still on about the elephant. People are still on about the elephant because it was how most of us were welcomed by the BW community with contempt, despise and sometimes hate. The games were terrible. I have no interest in watching them anymore. Even the french amateur scene is more advanced than them. I'll come back for the 2nd round and I'll judge then if they made any relevant progress.
Please do and prepare to bow down to your BW overlords.
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How interesting, I expected ACE to win the SC2 games not the BW ones.
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DAMNIT ACE
you're meant to win the ... ace match
-_-
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On May 26 2012 19:08 Otolia wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2012 17:17 BLinD-RawR wrote:On May 26 2012 17:16 Otolia wrote:
That was terrible. They are terrible. The elephant is a tiny tiny tiny beast. why are people still on about the elephant. People are still on about the elephant because it was how most of us were welcomed by the BW community with contempt, despise and sometimes hate. The games were terrible. I have no interest in watching them anymore. Even the french amateur scene is more advanced than them. I'll come back for the 2nd round and I'll judge then if they made any relevant progress.
Being suspicious in the ability of 200+ talented RTS gamers to make "relevant progress" in due time is foolish and laughable. Even through pure statistics, in the worst case scenario, a large handful of them will rise to the top of SC2. Might not be names we're all expecting, but make no mistake, it's going to happen at some point with some of these pros.
The big question is, how long will it take. Most people are expecting at least a few months after they fully transition, which should be around the end of the year. If all of these guys can devote their full resources to practicing one game, it'll happen sooner, but obviously, that's not the case now.
I have no clue why you're commenting on the obvious. Ever since this dual league bullshit was announced, everyone expected the gameplay quality of both games to be shit. And...taadaa...we were (mostly) correct in our premonitions.
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On May 26 2012 17:31 SupLilSon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2012 17:24 SiroKO wrote:On May 26 2012 17:22 Scarecrow wrote:On May 26 2012 17:16 Otolia wrote:
That was terrible. They are terrible. The elephant is a tiny tiny tiny beast. Did you watch killer's PvP last night? It's a shit mu, one of them is in the airforce and can't even practice full time for the 6 weeks or so since he switched. The elephant's relevant if you watched zero's play earlier today and the article never said they'd be dominating in such a short time. Even the coaches and players said sc:bw and sc2 were 2 different games, and that skill in bw wasn't linearly translating into sc2. Now you've the results to back it up. What more would be needed to abundon your fairy tale of seeing code A BW players above everyone else in a few months ? Nothing has happened. The article was written with no knowledge of the dual league. These PL games are in no way an indication of the legitimacy or failures of that article. All the top SC2 players were ex-BW players, with no exception. When these players are allowed to fully transition to SC2 we will see how good they truly can be. Many recent GSL games haven't looked much better if at all compared to the PL games.
Parting? Naniwa? Theres some exceptions from the latter half of the GSL last season. What about Polt and MarineKing? Stop making sweeping statements like that. Its as nonsensical as the elephant article.
In Korea, of COURSE most of the best players will have a broodwar history. Its a tiny sample size and there is a massive amount of crossover in the two games. Much more than say, football or cookery.
Heres a more accurate statement. All of the top SC2 Pros have played video games before with no exception.
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On May 26 2012 21:35 dustaz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2012 17:31 SupLilSon wrote:On May 26 2012 17:24 SiroKO wrote:On May 26 2012 17:22 Scarecrow wrote:On May 26 2012 17:16 Otolia wrote:
That was terrible. They are terrible. The elephant is a tiny tiny tiny beast. Did you watch killer's PvP last night? It's a shit mu, one of them is in the airforce and can't even practice full time for the 6 weeks or so since he switched. The elephant's relevant if you watched zero's play earlier today and the article never said they'd be dominating in such a short time. Even the coaches and players said sc:bw and sc2 were 2 different games, and that skill in bw wasn't linearly translating into sc2. Now you've the results to back it up. What more would be needed to abundon your fairy tale of seeing code A BW players above everyone else in a few months ? Nothing has happened. The article was written with no knowledge of the dual league. These PL games are in no way an indication of the legitimacy or failures of that article. All the top SC2 players were ex-BW players, with no exception. When these players are allowed to fully transition to SC2 we will see how good they truly can be. Many recent GSL games haven't looked much better if at all compared to the PL games. Parting? Naniwa? Theres some exceptions from the latter half of the GSL last season. What about Polt and MarineKing? Stop making sweeping statements like that. Its as nonsensical as the elephant article. In Korea, of COURSE most of the best players will have a broodwar history. Its a tiny sample size and there is a massive amount of crossover in the two games. Much more than say, football or cookery. Heres a more accurate statement. All of the top SC2 Pros have played video games before with no exception.
except the really young ones, like life, creator, maru, etc.
polt was ex-wc3. mkp ex-bw
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On May 26 2012 21:35 dustaz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2012 17:31 SupLilSon wrote:On May 26 2012 17:24 SiroKO wrote:On May 26 2012 17:22 Scarecrow wrote:On May 26 2012 17:16 Otolia wrote:
That was terrible. They are terrible. The elephant is a tiny tiny tiny beast. Did you watch killer's PvP last night? It's a shit mu, one of them is in the airforce and can't even practice full time for the 6 weeks or so since he switched. The elephant's relevant if you watched zero's play earlier today and the article never said they'd be dominating in such a short time. Even the coaches and players said sc:bw and sc2 were 2 different games, and that skill in bw wasn't linearly translating into sc2. Now you've the results to back it up. What more would be needed to abundon your fairy tale of seeing code A BW players above everyone else in a few months ? Nothing has happened. The article was written with no knowledge of the dual league. These PL games are in no way an indication of the legitimacy or failures of that article. All the top SC2 players were ex-BW players, with no exception. When these players are allowed to fully transition to SC2 we will see how good they truly can be. Many recent GSL games haven't looked much better if at all compared to the PL games. Parting? Naniwa? Theres some exceptions from the latter half of the GSL last season. What about Polt and MarineKing? Stop making sweeping statements like that. Its as nonsensical as the elephant article. In Korea, of COURSE most of the best players will have a broodwar history. Its a tiny sample size and there is a massive amount of crossover in the two games. Much more than say, football or cookery. Heres a more accurate statement. All of the top SC2 Pros have played video games before with no exception.
So what you are saying is that almost all top players in the scene that is by far the most competetive have BW background. And that there is massive amount of crossover between BW and SC2. And now you're calling the elephant nonsensical? Didn't I just tell people not go to full retard.
The fact that you are able to point out a name or two of people without BW background is not exactly very compelling argument. Of course there is talent outside of BW as well. There are players who have not played any game before SC2 who will end up becoming great. The point is that by far the most amount of talent in RTS games was found in BW and the most talented out of those have only transitioned now. And they will change the scene. It will not happen instantly though.
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Mmm, didn't catch this, and don't have time to watch it now -- later tonight! -- but I'm looking forward to seeing how Mini did. I hope his transition to SC2 is a successful one, given how he just suddenly showed up and started playing well -- it'd be sad to see him suddenly disappear due to the game change.
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I just watched the VODs and I have to say that the PvP's of the BW pros have been very entertaining!!!!
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