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On May 22 2012 16:41 roymarthyup wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2012 16:37 Sawamura wrote:On May 22 2012 16:36 roymarthyup wrote:
ummm i think your faulting lizzy too hard here
yes he did choose a horrible build but i bet bisu/stork using that horrible build and in situation would have still been in that horrible position given the two builds
lizzy chose to press his attack that pretty much had a 100% chance of failing due to the build order loss
if stork/bisu tries that they would fail just as hard you cannot break that bunker and tank
bisu/stork at that point could have pulled back and tried to power through the disadvantage through macro and skill, however the main problem was it was a pure build order loss and you can either press your attack that has a 100% chance to fail and hope your enemy makes a mistake, or pull back and you are at a 100% disadvantage macro wise and once again hope your vastly better than your enemy to win
not much lizzy could have done there given he decided to press on his failed attack and give it a chance
if flash does CC first and dies to 4pool and looks pathetic while it happens, its the same thing. BO losses exist Stork will open 1 gate goon range rather than 10/15 so no your argument is invalid. wrong. my argument is valid because i never said stork was allowed to use a different build. In my argument i said stork has to use the same build as lizzy, and i said IF stork was retarded enough to use lizzies horrible build, theres no way he could use "skill" to make the build work in that situation if you put stork in that situation, with lizzies retarded build, and expect stork to break that bunker and tank, it wont happen theres no way you can use skill to use that horrible build and end up breaking that bunker/tank. its impossible. lizzy just looked horrible because he thought he would give it a shot and hope maybe he might be able to make something happen even though the game was 100% lost at that point given his horrible build
If Stork did a 2 gate push, he would have executed it better, and if it failed, he would have backed down, stopped production and double expanded, or maybe went for reavers. This guy did a funky 2 gate robo into dt's into 3 gate. What the frick is that? That's the kind of build that you might see in the D-rank league, and even there, the top terrans (who are D+) can deal with it. This guy was never signed for his BW skills. He's laughable by korean BW standards. And what's worse is he's a liar, since he claimed to be a BW progamer.
This setup already was a joke, but KT is just making it even more tasteless. This was supposed to be a switch where only BW progamers were allowed to play, so that they would have equal chances, but KT have clearly worked around the system by signing two SC2 players who have been posing as BW players for a while.
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On May 22 2012 17:32 mrtomjones wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2012 17:30 casualman wrote:On May 22 2012 17:29 Killerkrack wrote:
This play is terrible. I know these guys haven't gotten much time at all with SC2, but I had to close my stream due to how bad this has been. Actually I'm pretty sure Kal is playing better than your average foreigner pro P. Define average there. Socke/Huk level would have smashed both of them more often than not... below that there are plenty of people who would beat that build easy.
Maybe, but his phoenix usage was definitely miles ahead of any progamer playing sc2, foreigner or no.
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Another fun night, erm better luck next time KT.
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On May 22 2012 17:32 rysecake wrote:
CJ gonna win this season baby I believeee
Not if they choke in playoffs.
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Hmm, the PL seems quite ok though, I was worried about disaster when you mix BW with SC2. I am so biased, I like watching BW pro learning the game right now, but I rarely watch SC2 anymore dispite the fact that I bought an annual pass for GSL.
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Action vs FBH was no way even close to a guaranteed win for Action on paper. FBH has really good TvZ. So disappointed in KT for both games. Lizzy had 0 preparation for BW and the games I've seen from the original BW team (Barracks/Stats) have been pretty bad.
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On May 22 2012 17:31 IshinShishi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2012 17:29 Killerkrack wrote:
This play is terrible. I know these guys haven't gotten much time at all with SC2, but I had to close my stream due to how bad this has been. Except that stats reaction timing is better than MC's, by far. LOL
You are really trying hard to defend your bw pros in every single post so far. 
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On May 22 2012 17:34 J1.au wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2012 17:32 rysecake wrote:
CJ gonna win this season baby I believeee Not if they choke in playoffs.
Don't ruin my "lol kt lost to ace" moment =(
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On May 22 2012 17:33 Killerkrack wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2012 17:30 casualman wrote:On May 22 2012 17:29 Killerkrack wrote:
This play is terrible. I know these guys haven't gotten much time at all with SC2, but I had to close my stream due to how bad this has been. Actually I'm pretty sure Kal is playing better than your average foreigner pro P. Pretty sure he'd get obliterated by most foreign professional players but who knows.
Agree, but that's because top foreign protoss are actually at the top overall, socke, hasu, feast, grubby and the list goes on can take games off of top koreans.
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On May 22 2012 17:32 Sawamura wrote:
Thanks for the live report.
no prob. kristoff's got the UnDs so jump over there in a bit!
I think.
opterown OP, 2 LR threads at the same time
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On May 22 2012 17:34 casualman wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2012 17:32 mrtomjones wrote:On May 22 2012 17:30 casualman wrote:On May 22 2012 17:29 Killerkrack wrote:
This play is terrible. I know these guys haven't gotten much time at all with SC2, but I had to close my stream due to how bad this has been. Actually I'm pretty sure Kal is playing better than your average foreigner pro P. Define average there. Socke/Huk level would have smashed both of them more often than not... below that there are plenty of people who would beat that build easy. Maybe, but his phoenix usage was definitely miles ahead of any progamer playing sc2, foreigner or no.
Yeah. I dunno if it was because Stats had too little Stalkers or what, but it seemed like those Phoenixes just wouldn't die. And while he didn't really use them to harass probes, he was very active with them using them to scout and gain map control.
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That was pretty awful. I felt bad for the blue toss. He seemed really out of his league with poor reactions and a lack of scouting. The red toss had a pretty easy victory but he seemed pretty solid.
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GG ACE!
A question for the BW connoisseurs, are the Air Force officers their coaches?
Such a unique sight watching military personell managing a gaming team!
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On May 22 2012 17:34 J1.au wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2012 17:32 rysecake wrote:
CJ gonna win this season baby I believeee Not if Until they choke in playoffs.
Fixed. 
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On May 22 2012 17:35 rysecake wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2012 17:34 J1.au wrote:On May 22 2012 17:32 rysecake wrote:
CJ gonna win this season baby I believeee Not if they choke in playoffs. Don't ruin my "lol kt lost to ace" moment =(
you act like KT has never lost to ace before, everyone knows ace is a beast in hiding.
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On May 22 2012 17:34 casualman wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2012 17:32 mrtomjones wrote:On May 22 2012 17:30 casualman wrote:On May 22 2012 17:29 Killerkrack wrote:
This play is terrible. I know these guys haven't gotten much time at all with SC2, but I had to close my stream due to how bad this has been. Actually I'm pretty sure Kal is playing better than your average foreigner pro P. Define average there. Socke/Huk level would have smashed both of them more often than not... below that there are plenty of people who would beat that build easy. Maybe, but his phoenix usage was definitely miles ahead of any progamer playing sc2, foreigner or no.
No it wasn't rofl.
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Oh my ! ACE beating KT is pretty unexpected. Nice victory.
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On May 22 2012 17:35 Juliette wrote:no prob. kristoff's got the UnDs so jump over there in a bit! I think. opterown OP, 2 LR threads at the same time
thanks for the LR man!
haha, quick shower then off to LR GSL! Too bad I can't do OSL at the same time, I don't know much about BW
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On May 22 2012 17:33 ninini wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2012 16:41 roymarthyup wrote:On May 22 2012 16:37 Sawamura wrote:On May 22 2012 16:36 roymarthyup wrote:
ummm i think your faulting lizzy too hard here
yes he did choose a horrible build but i bet bisu/stork using that horrible build and in situation would have still been in that horrible position given the two builds
lizzy chose to press his attack that pretty much had a 100% chance of failing due to the build order loss
if stork/bisu tries that they would fail just as hard you cannot break that bunker and tank
bisu/stork at that point could have pulled back and tried to power through the disadvantage through macro and skill, however the main problem was it was a pure build order loss and you can either press your attack that has a 100% chance to fail and hope your enemy makes a mistake, or pull back and you are at a 100% disadvantage macro wise and once again hope your vastly better than your enemy to win
not much lizzy could have done there given he decided to press on his failed attack and give it a chance
if flash does CC first and dies to 4pool and looks pathetic while it happens, its the same thing. BO losses exist Stork will open 1 gate goon range rather than 10/15 so no your argument is invalid. wrong. my argument is valid because i never said stork was allowed to use a different build. In my argument i said stork has to use the same build as lizzy, and i said IF stork was retarded enough to use lizzies horrible build, theres no way he could use "skill" to make the build work in that situation if you put stork in that situation, with lizzies retarded build, and expect stork to break that bunker and tank, it wont happen theres no way you can use skill to use that horrible build and end up breaking that bunker/tank. its impossible. lizzy just looked horrible because he thought he would give it a shot and hope maybe he might be able to make something happen even though the game was 100% lost at that point given his horrible build If Stork did a 2 gate push, he would have executed it better, and if it failed, he would have backed down, stopped production and double expanded, or maybe went for reavers. This guy did a funky 2 gate robo into dt's into 3 gate. What the frick is that? That's the kind of build that you might see in the D-rank league, and even there, the top terrans (who are D+) can deal with it. This guy was never signed for his BW skills. He's laughable by korean BW standards. And what's worse is he's a liar, since he claimed to be a BW progamer. This setup already was a joke, but KT is just making it even more tasteless. This was supposed to be a switch where only BW progamers were allowed to play, so that they would have equal chances, but KT have clearly worked around the system by signing two SC2 players who have been posing as BW players for a while.
i agree that he sucks but the game was unwinnable after the initial attack failed
just saying you should be saying him using a absolutely horrible build is just stupid and thats why he sucks, him engaging the bunkers and losing goons means nothing really no one could make that attack work
you could say a zerg could triple expand after a failed 4pool but its still unwinnable in the same sense
im just saying the build would have won against a CC first, same as 4pool wins against CC first. then what would people be saying?
I STILL would be attacking lizzy for sucking in that situation, even if he won due to a CC first because it would have been a pure all-in fast BO win
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