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MrCash
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1504 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-22 10:53:46
May 22 2012 10:53 GMT
#781
On May 22 2012 19:50 KristofferAG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2012 19:47 Plague1503 wrote:
On May 22 2012 19:44 teddyoojo wrote:
On May 22 2012 19:42 Plague1503 wrote:
On May 22 2012 19:41 Fragile51 wrote:
On May 22 2012 19:40 teddyoojo wrote:
new refreshing strategy? more like early 2011 strat
maru just hoping alive forgot how to play against it


I've never seen someone rushing for battlecruisers, only transitioning into them.

Yup, BC's were usually the lateLATE game, after both players already lost the majority of their "first" 200/200 army.

wrong. sky terran was quite common some time ago

Replay/VOD sources plz.



I remember multiple games in MLGs last year, in particular TvT, where sky Terran was used.


It was never common, it just happened once in a while.
Often happened end game, when neither player could break each other.
It definitely was never common as the main strategy/build the way Maru used, as Wolf pointed out.
You would see a 1 base BC all in sometimes, but rarely on pro level.
KristofferAG
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Norway25712 Posts
May 22 2012 10:53 GMT
#782
aLive backed himself into a corner. His own fault right there tbh.
@KristofferAG | http://vestkyststoy.bandcamp.com | last.fm/user/KristofferAG
summerloud
Profile Joined March 2010
Austria1201 Posts
May 22 2012 10:53 GMT
#783
On May 22 2012 19:49 energized wrote:
Don't understand the hate for Maru. Really refreshing to see such a jung player do so well.
GL to him in getting out of the group.


subconscious jealousy. it makes people feel uncomfortable to see someone younger than them being so successful
Sumahi
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Guam5609 Posts
May 22 2012 10:53 GMT
#784
C'mon Bomber! Show everyone that Code S player you really are, but just haven't been for a while!
Startale <3, ST_July <3, HongUn <3, Savior <3, Gretorp <3, Nada <3, Rainbow <3, Ret <3, Squirtle <3, Bomber <3
KristofferAG
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Norway25712 Posts
May 22 2012 10:54 GMT
#785
On May 22 2012 19:53 MrCash wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2012 19:50 KristofferAG wrote:
On May 22 2012 19:47 Plague1503 wrote:
On May 22 2012 19:44 teddyoojo wrote:
On May 22 2012 19:42 Plague1503 wrote:
On May 22 2012 19:41 Fragile51 wrote:
On May 22 2012 19:40 teddyoojo wrote:
new refreshing strategy? more like early 2011 strat
maru just hoping alive forgot how to play against it


I've never seen someone rushing for battlecruisers, only transitioning into them.

Yup, BC's were usually the lateLATE game, after both players already lost the majority of their "first" 200/200 army.

wrong. sky terran was quite common some time ago

Replay/VOD sources plz.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ludcwejZJk

I remember multiple games in MLGs last year, in particular TvT, where sky Terran was used.


It was never common, it just happened once in a while.
Often happened end game, when neither player could break each other.
It definitely was never common as the main strategy/build the way Maru used, as Wolf pointed out.
Oh no, I don\t think remember seeing people go air off the bat. I know there\s a Raven build that's viable v Zerg, but nothing like this.
@KristofferAG | http://vestkyststoy.bandcamp.com | last.fm/user/KristofferAG
klops
Profile Joined June 2010
United States674 Posts
May 22 2012 10:54 GMT
#786
On May 22 2012 19:49 Fragile51 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2012 19:48 BlindKill wrote:
What I dont get is, marines could of shut that down so many times..... should make some rather than the hellions


What you don't get is that when you go mech you don't have the infrastructure to make a lot of marines. And you don't have the money nor the building space to get that infrastructure either.


what he also doesn't get is that unupgraded marines dps is terrible vs upgraded bcs
TeeTS
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany2762 Posts
May 22 2012 10:55 GMT
#787
On May 22 2012 19:50 Dodgin wrote:
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On May 22 2012 19:49 roymarthyup wrote:
I said it the moment i saw seeker missile buffed to move faster the vikings/corrupters that its pretty overpowered and will lead to stupid gameplay

seeker missiles do too much damage and actually RUN FASTER than vikings and once launched its actually impossible for the viking to avoid it and it does massive damage in a aoe to all the clumped air

the seeker missiles didnt have an effect on that game and maru woulda won regarldess, but we saw how retarded that is.1spellcasted kills like 10 vikings a piece. just too good


the real imba of seeker missile is once terrans start getting it against zerg trust me its going to be BRUTAL. seeker missiles are like stronger versions of storm and outrun corrupters/broodlords and are undodgable


split the targeted viking away from the rest, you do it with irradiate in sc1 so why not here?


it's much harder to see which viking is targeted. There is a small line that shows it, but it's really hard to find out in a big clump. Irradiate was such a big animation, it was so easy to see, but seeker missle is a whole different story in that regard. So generally splitting up radomly might be the best reaction to Seeker Missle.
s3rp
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany3192 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-22 10:57:07
May 22 2012 10:55 GMT
#788
On May 22 2012 19:52 MrCash wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2012 19:50 trwkling wrote:
On May 22 2012 19:49 roymarthyup wrote:
I said it the moment i saw seeker missile buffed to move faster the vikings/corrupters that its pretty overpowered and will lead to stupid gameplay

seeker missiles do too much damage and actually RUN FASTER than vikings and once launched its actually impossible for the viking to avoid it and it does massive damage in a aoe to all the clumped air

the seeker missiles didnt have an effect on that game and maru woulda won regarldess, but we saw how retarded that is.1spellcasted kills like 10 vikings a piece. just too good


the real imba of seeker missile is once terrans start getting it against zerg trust me its going to be BRUTAL. seeker missiles are like stronger versions of storm and outrun corrupters/broodlords and are undodgable


but he could've split though yeah? i mean its just like fungal? if you split against it its fine? and it has such a short cast range you can snipe it before it gets casted


Not to mention the seeker missile AOE is actually terrible and the damage drops very fast within the AOE. Unlike storm and fungal, which do 100% damage within the entire AOE.


I want to add that it is very possible to split Vikings while the Seeker Missile is already flying . ( and also the smarter choice since the Seeker Missile will allways hit its target if its a Viking ) The AOE isn't hat big just pick a few Vikings and move them apart then the next etc etc. If you fly away with everything you risk get hit with everything.

I'm not a very good player but i can split Vikings against Seekers reasonably well.
trwkling
Profile Joined September 2011
658 Posts
May 22 2012 10:55 GMT
#789
wow every person here except bomber is from code s to up and downs. thats pretty dam stacked
Fragile51
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands15767 Posts
May 22 2012 10:55 GMT
#790
On May 22 2012 19:53 summerloud wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2012 19:49 energized wrote:
Don't understand the hate for Maru. Really refreshing to see such a jung player do so well.
GL to him in getting out of the group.


subconscious jealousy. it makes people feel uncomfortable to see someone younger than them being so successful


People hated flash too when he cheesed out Bisu. Don't worry about it :p
Badfatpanda
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States9719 Posts
May 22 2012 10:55 GMT
#791
Just got back from my run to see Bomber and aLive 0-2 (((((((((((((( TT. Really happy for Curious and I'll be excited to take a look at his games when the VODs are up, were Bomber/aLive's matches even close or were they 1 sided?
Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy. -Beethoven | Mech isn't a build, it's a way of life. -MajOr | Charlie.Sheen: "What is sarcastic, kids who have no courage to fight?" | #TerranPride #yolo #swag -Naama after 2-0'ing MC at HSC VI
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
May 22 2012 10:56 GMT
#792
On May 22 2012 19:51 roymarthyup wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2012 19:49 Asha` wrote:
On May 22 2012 19:47 dainbramage wrote:
Why not pick out the targeted viking a la mutas vs irradiate?


Just a weakness on aLive's part, it's pretty common for other players to split things up on the rare occasions where seeker missiles really get involved.


try to go into a unit tester and micro clumped vikings vs seeker missile its pretty impossible and just stupid. no spell should be that strong is really is an imbalance but thank god terrans havent discovered it yet against zerg.. protoss however destroys HSM with feedback


It's not pretty impossible at all lol, it's more than reasonable and anyone at a pro level should 100% be doing it.

The only reason that fucked aLive was because he tried to just outrun it and he ran out of map space which clumped his vikings in the corner right in time to get hit. Seeker missile is such a slow projectile that the first time it got launched it didn't even connect to the vikings just running away lol.

Seriously, that's probably going to be one of the only times you'll watch someone try to just straight up run away from seeker missile and fail like that.
Oon
Profile Joined October 2011
112 Posts
May 22 2012 10:56 GMT
#793
On May 22 2012 19:49 roymarthyup wrote:
I said it the moment i saw seeker missile buffed to move faster the vikings/corrupters that its pretty overpowered and will lead to stupid gameplay

seeker missiles do too much damage and actually RUN FASTER than vikings and once launched its actually impossible for the viking to avoid it and it does massive damage in a aoe to all the clumped air

the seeker missiles didnt have an effect on that game and maru woulda won regarldess, but we saw how retarded that is.1spellcasted kills like 10 vikings a piece. just too good


the real imba of seeker missile is once terrans start getting it against zerg trust me its going to be BRUTAL. seeker missiles are like stronger versions of storm and outrun corrupters/broodlords and are undodgable


Undogable by slow units - yes. But you dont need to dodge, just track that one unit that is followed by the missile and pull it away from main army or even better towards enemey's army.. that's the micro against it.. So, not that imba, not more imba than fungal thats for sure..
MrCash
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1504 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-22 10:59:42
May 22 2012 10:57 GMT
#794
On May 22 2012 19:55 s3rp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2012 19:52 MrCash wrote:
On May 22 2012 19:50 trwkling wrote:
On May 22 2012 19:49 roymarthyup wrote:
I said it the moment i saw seeker missile buffed to move faster the vikings/corrupters that its pretty overpowered and will lead to stupid gameplay

seeker missiles do too much damage and actually RUN FASTER than vikings and once launched its actually impossible for the viking to avoid it and it does massive damage in a aoe to all the clumped air

the seeker missiles didnt have an effect on that game and maru woulda won regarldess, but we saw how retarded that is.1spellcasted kills like 10 vikings a piece. just too good


the real imba of seeker missile is once terrans start getting it against zerg trust me its going to be BRUTAL. seeker missiles are like stronger versions of storm and outrun corrupters/broodlords and are undodgable


but he could've split though yeah? i mean its just like fungal? if you split against it its fine? and it has such a short cast range you can snipe it before it gets casted


Not to mention the seeker missile AOE is actually terrible and the damage drops very fast within the AOE. Unlike storm and fungal, which do 100% damage within the entire AOE.


I want to add that it is very possible to split Vikings while the Seeker Missile is already flying . ( and also the smarter choice since the Seeker Missile will allways hit its target if its a Viking ) The AOE isn't hat big just pick a few Vikings and move them apart then the next etc etc.


Absolutely.
I saw an amazing TvT between BratOK and Lucifron that went over an hour. Both went mass raven, marines, viking and a mix of marine, tank, and thors.
Both had amazing unit spliting against seeker missile on Antiga, eventually Lucifron mined out half the map and BratOK had better splits, even though he mined less, he was much more cost effective and Lucifron had to tap out.
Pretty sick game.
Project Psycho
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom329 Posts
May 22 2012 10:57 GMT
#795
are we gonna miss maru v curious?
CygnusAres
Profile Joined August 2011
Singapore893 Posts
May 22 2012 10:57 GMT
#796
Sigh, too much bias of Khaldor on Maru..
"I am the master of my fate, I am the captain of my soul" - Invictus. Favorite Players: TaeJa, Bogus, and Zest, Fighting!
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16838 Posts
May 22 2012 10:57 GMT
#797
PLEASE Choi Ji-Sung..... Do it.
The Bomber boy
BobMcJohnson
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
France2916 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-22 10:58:34
May 22 2012 10:58 GMT
#798
On May 22 2012 19:54 KristofferAG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2012 19:53 MrCash wrote:
On May 22 2012 19:50 KristofferAG wrote:
On May 22 2012 19:47 Plague1503 wrote:
On May 22 2012 19:44 teddyoojo wrote:
On May 22 2012 19:42 Plague1503 wrote:
On May 22 2012 19:41 Fragile51 wrote:
On May 22 2012 19:40 teddyoojo wrote:
new refreshing strategy? more like early 2011 strat
maru just hoping alive forgot how to play against it


I've never seen someone rushing for battlecruisers, only transitioning into them.

Yup, BC's were usually the lateLATE game, after both players already lost the majority of their "first" 200/200 army.

wrong. sky terran was quite common some time ago

Replay/VOD sources plz.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ludcwejZJk

I remember multiple games in MLGs last year, in particular TvT, where sky Terran was used.


It was never common, it just happened once in a while.
Often happened end game, when neither player could break each other.
It definitely was never common as the main strategy/build the way Maru used, as Wolf pointed out.
Oh no, I don\t think remember seeing people go air off the bat. I know there\s a Raven build that's viable v Zerg, but nothing like this.


Thorzain won a game by going straight air terran against mech when he played in GSTL iirc, he didnt use seeker missile though.
Romanes eunt domus
Ruscour
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
5233 Posts
May 22 2012 10:59 GMT
#799
Anyone else watching OSL as well? JANGBAAAAAAANG

Bomber vs Fin, battle of the proxies
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
May 22 2012 10:59 GMT
#800
sigh cheese
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