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Clazziquai10
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore1949 Posts
May 22 2012 10:50 GMT
#761
now THAT is what i call entertainment!
MrCash
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1504 Posts
May 22 2012 10:50 GMT
#762
Did not expect Bomber and Alive to be at bottom of the group.
Today is a good day to be a revolutionary.
Thobrik
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden1120 Posts
May 22 2012 10:50 GMT
#763
bomber vs fin coming up :D :D :D
"Philosophy is questions that may never be answered, Religion is answers that may never be questioned."
Fragile51
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands15767 Posts
May 22 2012 10:50 GMT
#764
On May 22 2012 19:49 roymarthyup wrote:
I said it the moment i saw seeker missile buffed to move faster the vikings/corrupters that its pretty overpowered and will lead to stupid gameplay

seeker missiles do too much damage and actually RUN FASTER than vikings and once launched its actually impossible for the viking to avoid it and it does massive damage in a aoe to all the clumped air

the seeker missiles didnt have an effect on that game and maru woulda won regarldess, but we saw how retarded that is.1spellcasted kills like 10 vikings a piece. just too good


the real imba of seeker missile is once terrans start getting it against zerg trust me its going to be BRUTAL. seeker missiles are like stronger versions of storm and outrun corrupters/broodlords and are undodgable


Pfft, Seeker missiles aint shit compared to irradiate and pro's in bw handled that fine. People just arent used to cloning their vikings properly and picking out the one that's being followed.
DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
May 22 2012 10:50 GMT
#765
On May 22 2012 19:48 BlindKill wrote:
What I dont get is, marines could of shut that down so many times..... should make some rather than the hellions


The only marines he would've been able to transition into were non-stim, non-shield, 0/0 marines. Without medivac support. That is not enough against the battlecruisers (not even enough against 3/3 vikings).

Maru reacted to a mech build, against bio this doesn't work.
#1 player in the world atm: J-god | Follow me on twitter! @DJHelium
Full.tilt
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United Kingdom1709 Posts
May 22 2012 10:50 GMT
#766
On May 22 2012 19:48 1ManArmy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2012 19:47 dainbramage wrote:
Why not pick out the targeted viking a la mutas vs irradiate?


I remember someone did this in MLG once.. i believe it was the same MLG where rain/boxer played that amazing air-battle.


It's not as though they specifically have to find the viking that's targeted, just box the top and bottom half of the cluster and move them away. More difficult in practice of course with other stuff going on but they are progamers.
trwkling
Profile Joined September 2011
658 Posts
May 22 2012 10:50 GMT
#767
On May 22 2012 19:49 roymarthyup wrote:
I said it the moment i saw seeker missile buffed to move faster the vikings/corrupters that its pretty overpowered and will lead to stupid gameplay

seeker missiles do too much damage and actually RUN FASTER than vikings and once launched its actually impossible for the viking to avoid it and it does massive damage in a aoe to all the clumped air

the seeker missiles didnt have an effect on that game and maru woulda won regarldess, but we saw how retarded that is.1spellcasted kills like 10 vikings a piece. just too good


the real imba of seeker missile is once terrans start getting it against zerg trust me its going to be BRUTAL. seeker missiles are like stronger versions of storm and outrun corrupters/broodlords and are undodgable


but he could've split though yeah? i mean its just like fungal? if you split against it its fine? and it has such a short cast range you can snipe it before it gets casted
LimitSEA
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia9580 Posts
May 22 2012 10:50 GMT
#768
I do so love Skyterran in TvT's. So much fun to watch. :D
Long live the King of Wings
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
May 22 2012 10:50 GMT
#769
On May 22 2012 19:49 roymarthyup wrote:
I said it the moment i saw seeker missile buffed to move faster the vikings/corrupters that its pretty overpowered and will lead to stupid gameplay

seeker missiles do too much damage and actually RUN FASTER than vikings and once launched its actually impossible for the viking to avoid it and it does massive damage in a aoe to all the clumped air

the seeker missiles didnt have an effect on that game and maru woulda won regarldess, but we saw how retarded that is.1spellcasted kills like 10 vikings a piece. just too good


the real imba of seeker missile is once terrans start getting it against zerg trust me its going to be BRUTAL. seeker missiles are like stronger versions of storm and outrun corrupters/broodlords and are undodgable


split the targeted viking away from the rest, you do it with irradiate in sc1 so why not here?
KristofferAG
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Norway25712 Posts
May 22 2012 10:50 GMT
#770
On May 22 2012 19:47 Plague1503 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2012 19:44 teddyoojo wrote:
On May 22 2012 19:42 Plague1503 wrote:
On May 22 2012 19:41 Fragile51 wrote:
On May 22 2012 19:40 teddyoojo wrote:
new refreshing strategy? more like early 2011 strat
maru just hoping alive forgot how to play against it


I've never seen someone rushing for battlecruisers, only transitioning into them.

Yup, BC's were usually the lateLATE game, after both players already lost the majority of their "first" 200/200 army.

wrong. sky terran was quite common some time ago

Replay/VOD sources plz.



I remember multiple games in MLGs last year, in particular TvT, where sky Terran was used.
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clusen
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany8702 Posts
May 22 2012 10:51 GMT
#771
On May 22 2012 19:49 roymarthyup wrote:
I said it the moment i saw seeker missile buffed to move faster the vikings/corrupters that its pretty overpowered and will lead to stupid gameplay

seeker missiles do too much damage and actually RUN FASTER than vikings and once launched its actually impossible for the viking to avoid it and it does massive damage in a aoe to all the clumped air

the seeker missiles didnt have an effect on that game and maru woulda won regarldess, but we saw how retarded that is.1spellcasted kills like 10 vikings a piece. just too good


the real imba of seeker missile is once terrans start getting it against zerg trust me its going to be BRUTAL. seeker missiles are like stronger versions of storm and outrun corrupters/broodlords and are undodgable

You can see which units it targeted and just split that unit from your group, doesn't sound imba to me.
IshinShishi
Profile Joined April 2012
Japan6156 Posts
May 22 2012 10:51 GMT
#772
On May 22 2012 19:49 CursivE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2012 19:46 IshinShishi wrote:
TvT saving sc2, period.


The MVP vs Squirtle series says hi.

Just because MVP tried to save the game from the 5 sec GG battles it doesn't mean that it's the norm, it takes metropolis and being an artist for TvP to look good ( or MKP/Jjakji's micro, still pretty rare)
So... what that make you? Good? You're not good. You just know how to hide, how to lie
Season
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States301 Posts
May 22 2012 10:51 GMT
#773
On May 22 2012 19:49 roymarthyup wrote:
I said it the moment i saw seeker missile buffed to move faster the vikings/corrupters that its pretty overpowered and will lead to stupid gameplay

seeker missiles do too much damage and actually RUN FASTER than vikings and once launched its actually impossible for the viking to avoid it and it does massive damage in a aoe to all the clumped air

the seeker missiles didnt have an effect on that game and maru woulda won regarldess, but we saw how retarded that is.1spellcasted kills like 10 vikings a piece. just too good


the real imba of seeker missile is once terrans start getting it against zerg trust me its going to be BRUTAL. seeker missiles are like stronger versions of storm and outrun corrupters/broodlords and are undodgable



Yes but it's DODGEABLE! If there was a problem with SC2 it would be people complaining about things like this and Blizz just removing them altogether.. Instead of having to figure out ways to micro against it in battle
KristofferAG
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Norway25712 Posts
May 22 2012 10:51 GMT
#774
But, feeding break!
@KristofferAG | http://vestkyststoy.bandcamp.com | last.fm/user/KristofferAG
qazadex
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia473 Posts
May 22 2012 10:51 GMT
#775
On May 22 2012 19:49 roymarthyup wrote:
I said it the moment i saw seeker missile buffed to move faster the vikings/corrupters that its pretty overpowered and will lead to stupid gameplay

seeker missiles do too much damage and actually RUN FASTER than vikings and once launched its actually impossible for the viking to avoid it and it does massive damage in a aoe to all the clumped air

the seeker missiles didnt have an effect on that game and maru woulda won regarldess, but we saw how retarded that is.1spellcasted kills like 10 vikings a piece. just too good


the real imba of seeker missile is once terrans start getting it against zerg trust me its going to be BRUTAL. seeker missiles are like stronger versions of storm and outrun corrupters/broodlords and are undodgable

Seeker missile did damage in a game! HSM imba!
roymarthyup
Profile Joined April 2010
1442 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-22 10:54:47
May 22 2012 10:51 GMT
#776
On May 22 2012 19:51 NasD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2012 19:49 roymarthyup wrote:
I said it the moment i saw seeker missile buffed to move faster the vikings/corrupters that its pretty overpowered and will lead to stupid gameplay

seeker missiles do too much damage and actually RUN FASTER than vikings and once launched its actually impossible for the viking to avoid it and it does massive damage in a aoe to all the clumped air

the seeker missiles didnt have an effect on that game and maru woulda won regarldess, but we saw how retarded that is.1spellcasted kills like 10 vikings a piece. just too good


the real imba of seeker missile is once terrans start getting it against zerg trust me its going to be BRUTAL. seeker missiles are like stronger versions of storm and outrun corrupters/broodlords and are undodgable



Yes but it's DODGEABLE! If there was a problem with SC2 it would be people complaining about things like this and Blizz just removing them altogether.. Instead of having to figure out ways to micro against it in battle



On May 22 2012 19:49 Asha` wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2012 19:47 dainbramage wrote:
Why not pick out the targeted viking a la mutas vs irradiate?


Just a weakness on aLive's part, it's pretty common for other players to split things up on the rare occasions where seeker missiles really get involved.

splitting vikings against seeker missile is almost a bad idea because the missile moves SO FAST and if you split your vikings (like splitting marines against banelings) what happens if your vikings TURN and when the vikings TURN SLIGHTLY it causes them to move slower than the seeker missile for a split second and in that split second your clump of vikings all die



try to go into a unit tester and micro clumped vikings vs seeker missile its pretty impossible and just stupid. no spell should be that strong is really is an imbalance but thank god terrans havent discovered it yet against zerg.. protoss however destroys HSM with feedback




thank god TvT's end before super lategame because if they didnt you would essentially see mass raven vs mass raven every game and pretty much stupid engagements where whoever is lucky and had the first HSM go off wins


you cannot "dodge" hsm now that it flys faster than vikings and corrupters


PRE-NERF hsm that didnt outrun corrupters/vikings was balanced because it still countered and did heavy damage to slow moving units (broodlords, tanks) and was fine as a big aoe damage to endgame armies with lots of tanks or broodlords. but now its too good on paper but thank god no game ever gets to the point where we see HSM


MrCash
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1504 Posts
May 22 2012 10:52 GMT
#777
On May 22 2012 19:50 trwkling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2012 19:49 roymarthyup wrote:
I said it the moment i saw seeker missile buffed to move faster the vikings/corrupters that its pretty overpowered and will lead to stupid gameplay

seeker missiles do too much damage and actually RUN FASTER than vikings and once launched its actually impossible for the viking to avoid it and it does massive damage in a aoe to all the clumped air

the seeker missiles didnt have an effect on that game and maru woulda won regarldess, but we saw how retarded that is.1spellcasted kills like 10 vikings a piece. just too good


the real imba of seeker missile is once terrans start getting it against zerg trust me its going to be BRUTAL. seeker missiles are like stronger versions of storm and outrun corrupters/broodlords and are undodgable


but he could've split though yeah? i mean its just like fungal? if you split against it its fine? and it has such a short cast range you can snipe it before it gets casted


Not to mention the seeker missile AOE is actually terrible and the damage drops very fast within the AOE. Unlike storm and fungal, which do 100% damage within the entire AOE.
1ManArmy
Profile Joined June 2011
Netherlands895 Posts
May 22 2012 10:52 GMT
#778
Doomed:

.47: Overlord
.94: Queen
1.41: Mothership, Broodlord
1.88: Fast Overlord, Slow Overseer, Carrier, High Templar, Slow Observer, Thor, Battlecruiser
2.25: Colossus, Immortal, Voidray, Sentry, Slow Zealot, Marine, Marauder, Ghost, Tank, Raven, Viking-Ground, Infestor, Slow Roach, Hydra
2.5: Slow Warp Prism, Medivac, Slow Baneling, Queen-Creep
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Need Head Start:

2.75: Viking-Air, Banshee, Fast Overseer, Fast Zealot
2.81: Workers, Fast Observer, Archon, Dark Templar
2.92: Infestor-Creep, Slow Roach-Creep

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Can Outrun (Note: Seeker Missile Speed is 2.95):

2.95: Ultralisk, Corruptor, Slow Lings, Fast Banelings, Stalker, Slow Reaper
3.00: Fast Roach
3.25: Slow Baneling-Creep
3.375: Hydra-Creep, Fast Warp Prism, Stimmed Marines & Marauders
3.75: Mutalisk
3.83: Fast Baneling-Creep, Ultralisk-Creep, Fast Reaper
3.90: Fast Roach-Creep
4.25: Phoenix, Hellion
4.70: Speedling
6.11: Speedling-Creep



So Vikings could outrun the seeker missle, they just need enough space to get away
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herbie
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
140 Posts
May 22 2012 10:52 GMT
#779
On May 22 2012 19:49 roymarthyup wrote:
I said it the moment i saw seeker missile buffed to move faster the vikings/corrupters that its pretty overpowered and will lead to stupid gameplay

seeker missiles do too much damage and actually RUN FASTER than vikings and once launched its actually impossible for the viking to avoid it and it does massive damage in a aoe to all the clumped air

the seeker missiles didnt have an effect on that game and maru woulda won regarldess, but we saw how retarded that is.1spellcasted kills like 10 vikings a piece. just too good


the real imba of seeker missile is once terrans start getting it against zerg trust me its going to be BRUTAL. seeker missiles are like stronger versions of storm and outrun corrupters/broodlords and are undodgable

#1 HSM don't outrun corrupters at all, they only outrun vikings by the tiniest margin.
#2 Its not imposible to avoid, its quite easy, split up viking find out which one is being tracked and stear it in a different direction.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
May 22 2012 10:52 GMT
#780
On May 22 2012 19:50 KristofferAG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2012 19:47 Plague1503 wrote:
On May 22 2012 19:44 teddyoojo wrote:
On May 22 2012 19:42 Plague1503 wrote:
On May 22 2012 19:41 Fragile51 wrote:
On May 22 2012 19:40 teddyoojo wrote:
new refreshing strategy? more like early 2011 strat
maru just hoping alive forgot how to play against it


I've never seen someone rushing for battlecruisers, only transitioning into them.

Yup, BC's were usually the lateLATE game, after both players already lost the majority of their "first" 200/200 army.

wrong. sky terran was quite common some time ago

Replay/VOD sources plz.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ludcwejZJk

I remember multiple games in MLGs last year, in particular TvT, where sky Terran was used.


not as a rush build though
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