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On May 21 2012 02:59 Dupens wrote:
I found restream. Where i should report it?
Please PM me the link.
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On May 21 2012 03:04 L3g3nd_ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 03:02 purgerinho wrote:On May 21 2012 02:51 Fragile51 wrote:On May 21 2012 02:47 purgerinho wrote:On May 21 2012 02:42 Thomanson wrote:On May 21 2012 02:37 ohampatu wrote:On May 21 2012 02:35 ntssauce wrote:On May 21 2012 02:29 Thomanson wrote:On May 21 2012 02:28 TotalBiscuit wrote:On May 21 2012 02:27 Thomanson wrote:
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I'd love to have free UFC events live. I'm surprised people think the tournament would happen if it was free. These EXTRA events exist because they are PPV and are extremely expensive to run. Exactly. People watching restreams are killing esports. And not joking. If you're not supporting via ads or ppv buys, you are dead weight. oh so there is a difference if i don't watch at all or watch a restream? you can maybe say that about restreamers. But i guess most of people that watch restream wouldn't have paid after all and are watching it only because there is a restream , i doubt they are "killing esports" Piracy doesn't kill esports. Just like it doesn't kill the sales of video games. The people who pirate wouldn't have paid anyway, they would have just went without. And that's the issue. The people who wouldn't have paid anyway, obviously don't find it worth their money. In that case they shouldn't get it. If they grew up and learned to make value choices like mature adults, we'd all be better off. Product providers would have to be more responsible if we were all informed mature consumers. (Because the opposite of the pirate is the blind consumer, who also hurts the market) not true if there was no piracy I would never buy broodwar of sc2 - never.. those games, football manager and PES series are only games I have ever bought.. if there was no piracy I would never know for so many tv shows.. piracy is killing e-sport? broodwar is still alive and all of the streams (and vods) were FREE ALL THE TIME and I just want to know does MLG pays to TLnet for free commercial? I mean, we have a link for a stream that costs 20$. Paying for free commercial? Come on, proofread or something..and yes, if an event is PPV and it is being advertised in the stream bar it means they have payed a certain sum of money. ok,ok, when I'm mad my english is much worse than usually... I just hate to see PPV streams and people saying it is great for e-sports. It is awful thing. If you look for long term thing you will provide something for free and then you will earn from commercials MLG have stated that they make a LOT more money from PPV than free streams with commercials, while that is still the case, PPV will continue over free streams.
Agreed, I think some people's opinion about how much ad revenue a single watcher is generating is a bit skewed.
However, there is one thing PPV does not: increase the audience. So it's good that MLG is not PPV only.
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On May 21 2012 03:04 L3g3nd_ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 03:02 purgerinho wrote:On May 21 2012 02:51 Fragile51 wrote:On May 21 2012 02:47 purgerinho wrote:On May 21 2012 02:42 Thomanson wrote:On May 21 2012 02:37 ohampatu wrote:On May 21 2012 02:35 ntssauce wrote:On May 21 2012 02:29 Thomanson wrote:On May 21 2012 02:28 TotalBiscuit wrote:On May 21 2012 02:27 Thomanson wrote:
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I'd love to have free UFC events live. I'm surprised people think the tournament would happen if it was free. These EXTRA events exist because they are PPV and are extremely expensive to run. Exactly. People watching restreams are killing esports. And not joking. If you're not supporting via ads or ppv buys, you are dead weight. oh so there is a difference if i don't watch at all or watch a restream? you can maybe say that about restreamers. But i guess most of people that watch restream wouldn't have paid after all and are watching it only because there is a restream , i doubt they are "killing esports" Piracy doesn't kill esports. Just like it doesn't kill the sales of video games. The people who pirate wouldn't have paid anyway, they would have just went without. And that's the issue. The people who wouldn't have paid anyway, obviously don't find it worth their money. In that case they shouldn't get it. If they grew up and learned to make value choices like mature adults, we'd all be better off. Product providers would have to be more responsible if we were all informed mature consumers. (Because the opposite of the pirate is the blind consumer, who also hurts the market) not true if there was no piracy I would never buy broodwar of sc2 - never.. those games, football manager and PES series are only games I have ever bought.. if there was no piracy I would never know for so many tv shows.. piracy is killing e-sport? broodwar is still alive and all of the streams (and vods) were FREE ALL THE TIME and I just want to know does MLG pays to TLnet for free commercial? I mean, we have a link for a stream that costs 20$. Paying for free commercial? Come on, proofread or something..and yes, if an event is PPV and it is being advertised in the stream bar it means they have payed a certain sum of money. ok,ok, when I'm mad my english is much worse than usually... I just hate to see PPV streams and people saying it is great for e-sports. It is awful thing. If you look for long term thing you will provide something for free and then you will earn from commercials MLG have stated that they make a LOT more money from PPV than free streams with commercials, while that is still the case, PPV will continue over free streams.
of course they will say something like that
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On May 21 2012 03:06 ceaRshaf wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 03:04 L3g3nd_ wrote:On May 21 2012 03:02 purgerinho wrote:On May 21 2012 02:51 Fragile51 wrote:On May 21 2012 02:47 purgerinho wrote:On May 21 2012 02:42 Thomanson wrote:On May 21 2012 02:37 ohampatu wrote:On May 21 2012 02:35 ntssauce wrote:On May 21 2012 02:29 Thomanson wrote:On May 21 2012 02:28 TotalBiscuit wrote:
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I'm surprised people think the tournament would happen if it was free. These EXTRA events exist because they are PPV and are extremely expensive to run. Exactly. People watching restreams are killing esports. And not joking. If you're not supporting via ads or ppv buys, you are dead weight. oh so there is a difference if i don't watch at all or watch a restream? you can maybe say that about restreamers. But i guess most of people that watch restream wouldn't have paid after all and are watching it only because there is a restream , i doubt they are "killing esports" Piracy doesn't kill esports. Just like it doesn't kill the sales of video games. The people who pirate wouldn't have paid anyway, they would have just went without. And that's the issue. The people who wouldn't have paid anyway, obviously don't find it worth their money. In that case they shouldn't get it. If they grew up and learned to make value choices like mature adults, we'd all be better off. Product providers would have to be more responsible if we were all informed mature consumers. (Because the opposite of the pirate is the blind consumer, who also hurts the market) not true if there was no piracy I would never buy broodwar of sc2 - never.. those games, football manager and PES series are only games I have ever bought.. if there was no piracy I would never know for so many tv shows.. piracy is killing e-sport? broodwar is still alive and all of the streams (and vods) were FREE ALL THE TIME and I just want to know does MLG pays to TLnet for free commercial? I mean, we have a link for a stream that costs 20$. Paying for free commercial? Come on, proofread or something..and yes, if an event is PPV and it is being advertised in the stream bar it means they have payed a certain sum of money. ok,ok, when I'm mad my english is much worse than usually... I just hate to see PPV streams and people saying it is great for e-sports. It is awful thing. If you look for long term thing you will provide something for free and then you will earn from commercials MLG have stated that they make a LOT more money from PPV than free streams with commercials, while that is still the case, PPV will continue over free streams. And you expect them to tell us if the system failed ? That's not how you do business.
But but... MLG said so!!!  rofl
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On May 21 2012 03:04 Thomanson wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 02:58 ceaRshaf wrote:On May 21 2012 02:54 Thomanson wrote:On May 21 2012 02:47 purgerinho wrote:On May 21 2012 02:42 Thomanson wrote:On May 21 2012 02:37 ohampatu wrote:On May 21 2012 02:35 ntssauce wrote:On May 21 2012 02:29 Thomanson wrote:On May 21 2012 02:28 TotalBiscuit wrote:On May 21 2012 02:27 Thomanson wrote:
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I'd love to have free UFC events live. I'm surprised people think the tournament would happen if it was free. These EXTRA events exist because they are PPV and are extremely expensive to run. Exactly. People watching restreams are killing esports. And not joking. If you're not supporting via ads or ppv buys, you are dead weight. oh so there is a difference if i don't watch at all or watch a restream? you can maybe say that about restreamers. But i guess most of people that watch restream wouldn't have paid after all and are watching it only because there is a restream , i doubt they are "killing esports" Piracy doesn't kill esports. Just like it doesn't kill the sales of video games. The people who pirate wouldn't have paid anyway, they would have just went without. And that's the issue. The people who wouldn't have paid anyway, obviously don't find it worth their money. In that case they shouldn't get it. If they grew up and learned to make value choices like mature adults, we'd all be better off. Product providers would have to be more responsible if we were all informed mature consumers. (Because the opposite of the pirate is the blind consumer, who also hurts the market) not true if there was no piracy I would never buy broodwar of sc2 - never.. those games, football manager and PES series are only games I have ever bought.. if there was no piracy I would never know for so many tv shows.. piracy is killing e-sport? broodwar is still alive and all of the streams (and vods) were FREE ALL THE TIME and I just want to know does MLG pays to TLnet for free commercial? I mean, we have a link for a stream that costs 20$. Ads and sponsors. Free is not what you think it is. Entertainment doesn't just magically fucking appear for your amusement. Supporting the things you enjoy increases the chances of you having MORE things to enjoy in the future. Watching something is supportive enough because of how rating works. Ads are the better system. I prefer Youtube giving me ads than having to pay for it. I feel I let them do their stuff while I do mine. Trade of interests. Ratings? You mean like on TV? You know that the reason ratings are important is because that's how they demand.....ad revenue? Personally I prefer subscription/ppv models, but then, they require a little more balancing value/price wise. Advertising model in streaming is highly reliant on sponsors, since only the ads in the actual broadcast can be counted on, due to the prevalence of adblock. Of course...to get the sponsor $ to the point where advertising makes sense, we have to be seen as an audience that can be counted on to support the scene with dollars.
Are you really trying to justify that all your doing is creating a "demand"?
You already have a demand, you just continue on illegally.
How can you justify that and say its more important than MLG continuing to receive the money it needs to further and further produce high quality tournaments, which, going by your argument, will create FAR FAR more demand than you alone.
On May 21 2012 03:06 purgerinho wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 03:04 L3g3nd_ wrote:On May 21 2012 03:02 purgerinho wrote:On May 21 2012 02:51 Fragile51 wrote:On May 21 2012 02:47 purgerinho wrote:On May 21 2012 02:42 Thomanson wrote:On May 21 2012 02:37 ohampatu wrote:On May 21 2012 02:35 ntssauce wrote:On May 21 2012 02:29 Thomanson wrote:On May 21 2012 02:28 TotalBiscuit wrote:
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I'm surprised people think the tournament would happen if it was free. These EXTRA events exist because they are PPV and are extremely expensive to run. Exactly. People watching restreams are killing esports. And not joking. If you're not supporting via ads or ppv buys, you are dead weight. oh so there is a difference if i don't watch at all or watch a restream? you can maybe say that about restreamers. But i guess most of people that watch restream wouldn't have paid after all and are watching it only because there is a restream , i doubt they are "killing esports" Piracy doesn't kill esports. Just like it doesn't kill the sales of video games. The people who pirate wouldn't have paid anyway, they would have just went without. And that's the issue. The people who wouldn't have paid anyway, obviously don't find it worth their money. In that case they shouldn't get it. If they grew up and learned to make value choices like mature adults, we'd all be better off. Product providers would have to be more responsible if we were all informed mature consumers. (Because the opposite of the pirate is the blind consumer, who also hurts the market) not true if there was no piracy I would never buy broodwar of sc2 - never.. those games, football manager and PES series are only games I have ever bought.. if there was no piracy I would never know for so many tv shows.. piracy is killing e-sport? broodwar is still alive and all of the streams (and vods) were FREE ALL THE TIME and I just want to know does MLG pays to TLnet for free commercial? I mean, we have a link for a stream that costs 20$. Paying for free commercial? Come on, proofread or something..and yes, if an event is PPV and it is being advertised in the stream bar it means they have payed a certain sum of money. ok,ok, when I'm mad my english is much worse than usually... I just hate to see PPV streams and people saying it is great for e-sports. It is awful thing. If you look for long term thing you will provide something for free and then you will earn from commercials MLG have stated that they make a LOT more money from PPV than free streams with commercials, while that is still the case, PPV will continue over free streams. of course they will say something like that
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On May 21 2012 03:05 La1 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 03:02 clusen wrote:On May 21 2012 02:59 tranmillitary wrote:On May 21 2012 02:53 Jaegeru wrote:On May 21 2012 02:48 tranmillitary wrote:
as a toss, i hate vs any zerg.
Roaches are the most cost effective unit in the game. you can get so many out in very little time. As much as terran hates toss late game, toss hates zergs period. at least a terran can win mid game, toss can't win early, mid, or late game vs zerg.
Roaches are extremely supply inefficient, I love it when I see zergs going roaches - they are only decent for a limited amount of time until protoss get his super army out. are you gold??? they can max out on roaches in just over 10 mins, even if you cut probe production you can't be over 140 supply with gateway units, less if your techin to collos. supply inefficient?? you seriously haven't played much.. or in a low league I think you don't know what "supply inefficient" means. That roaches boost your supply count that much is what he is talking about - a maxed roach army is extremely weak compared to any other army with a similar supply count, a 150 supply Toss army wins against them with decent positioning the point is and the point symbol and other zergs have used is you can send 20 roaches to the 3rd, 20 to the main, 20 to anywhere else and splitting the toss army up like that makes it almost impossible to hold as the toss army at any point is incredibly small, unless the toss turtled on 2 base to max.. but by then zerg has 5 base ... i think the current maps make it very very easy for zerg to abuse protoss.
With good forcefields and better army positioning anyone sending that few roaches to 3 different locations is asking to lose 60 roaches... Just like zergs have to leave units in their bases for drops late game in ZvTs if toss leaves a few sentries this could easily be avoided
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those bastards at twitch are the one that are really winning, too cheap to buy some fucking decent servers but they partnered with everyone so you have no choice regarding the streaming service, thanks again twitch every single tournament hosted on your site is a nightmare
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10 mutas for Violet...Stephano has to do some damage here and fast.
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On May 21 2012 03:06 MLG Deimos wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 02:59 Dupens wrote:
I found restream. Where i should report it? Please PM me the link.
this is silly
there are plenty of re-streams in dailymotion, regame.tv, and even own3d.tv
no trying to say you just give up, but new restreams show up every time
there is a russian one which keeps in the same link since you guys started this PPV thing, why didn`t you ban them yet?
at the time there is one with 5k people watching on dailymotion, i can link to you the restream, but probably the guy already did it for you
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with that earlier 3rd for steph i woulda liked to see muta v muta ;*(
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On May 21 2012 03:08 ashortstory wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 03:06 MLG Deimos wrote:On May 21 2012 02:59 Dupens wrote:
I found restream. Where i should report it? Please PM me the link. this is silly there are plenty of re-streams in dailymotion, regame.tv, and even own3d.tv no trying to say you just give up, but new restreams show up every time there is a russian one which keeps in the same link since you guys started this PPV thing, why didn`t you ban them yet? at the time there is one with 5k people watching on dailymotion, i can link to you the restream, but probably the guy already did it for you
And you know the link because... ?
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Stephano too high to play lol
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On May 21 2012 03:06 purgerinho wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 03:04 L3g3nd_ wrote:On May 21 2012 03:02 purgerinho wrote:On May 21 2012 02:51 Fragile51 wrote:On May 21 2012 02:47 purgerinho wrote:On May 21 2012 02:42 Thomanson wrote:On May 21 2012 02:37 ohampatu wrote:On May 21 2012 02:35 ntssauce wrote:On May 21 2012 02:29 Thomanson wrote:On May 21 2012 02:28 TotalBiscuit wrote:
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I'm surprised people think the tournament would happen if it was free. These EXTRA events exist because they are PPV and are extremely expensive to run. Exactly. People watching restreams are killing esports. And not joking. If you're not supporting via ads or ppv buys, you are dead weight. oh so there is a difference if i don't watch at all or watch a restream? you can maybe say that about restreamers. But i guess most of people that watch restream wouldn't have paid after all and are watching it only because there is a restream , i doubt they are "killing esports" Piracy doesn't kill esports. Just like it doesn't kill the sales of video games. The people who pirate wouldn't have paid anyway, they would have just went without. And that's the issue. The people who wouldn't have paid anyway, obviously don't find it worth their money. In that case they shouldn't get it. If they grew up and learned to make value choices like mature adults, we'd all be better off. Product providers would have to be more responsible if we were all informed mature consumers. (Because the opposite of the pirate is the blind consumer, who also hurts the market) not true if there was no piracy I would never buy broodwar of sc2 - never.. those games, football manager and PES series are only games I have ever bought.. if there was no piracy I would never know for so many tv shows.. piracy is killing e-sport? broodwar is still alive and all of the streams (and vods) were FREE ALL THE TIME and I just want to know does MLG pays to TLnet for free commercial? I mean, we have a link for a stream that costs 20$. Paying for free commercial? Come on, proofread or something..and yes, if an event is PPV and it is being advertised in the stream bar it means they have payed a certain sum of money. ok,ok, when I'm mad my english is much worse than usually... I just hate to see PPV streams and people saying it is great for e-sports. It is awful thing. If you look for long term thing you will provide something for free and then you will earn from commercials MLG have stated that they make a LOT more money from PPV than free streams with commercials, while that is still the case, PPV will continue over free streams. of course they will say something like that
Yes, actually they are only hosting pay per view events to piss off viewers. How can you even think this? Of course they make more money when they recieve direct payment from each viewer...
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Come on Stephano you were ahead...
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Violet's ling counters 100% won this game.
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Ehhh Stephano completely unprepared for those mutas.
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On May 21 2012 03:09 godsend1 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 03:06 purgerinho wrote:On May 21 2012 03:04 L3g3nd_ wrote:On May 21 2012 03:02 purgerinho wrote:On May 21 2012 02:51 Fragile51 wrote:On May 21 2012 02:47 purgerinho wrote:On May 21 2012 02:42 Thomanson wrote:On May 21 2012 02:37 ohampatu wrote:On May 21 2012 02:35 ntssauce wrote:On May 21 2012 02:29 Thomanson wrote:
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Exactly. People watching restreams are killing esports. And not joking. If you're not supporting via ads or ppv buys, you are dead weight. oh so there is a difference if i don't watch at all or watch a restream? you can maybe say that about restreamers. But i guess most of people that watch restream wouldn't have paid after all and are watching it only because there is a restream , i doubt they are "killing esports" Piracy doesn't kill esports. Just like it doesn't kill the sales of video games. The people who pirate wouldn't have paid anyway, they would have just went without. And that's the issue. The people who wouldn't have paid anyway, obviously don't find it worth their money. In that case they shouldn't get it. If they grew up and learned to make value choices like mature adults, we'd all be better off. Product providers would have to be more responsible if we were all informed mature consumers. (Because the opposite of the pirate is the blind consumer, who also hurts the market) not true if there was no piracy I would never buy broodwar of sc2 - never.. those games, football manager and PES series are only games I have ever bought.. if there was no piracy I would never know for so many tv shows.. piracy is killing e-sport? broodwar is still alive and all of the streams (and vods) were FREE ALL THE TIME and I just want to know does MLG pays to TLnet for free commercial? I mean, we have a link for a stream that costs 20$. Paying for free commercial? Come on, proofread or something..and yes, if an event is PPV and it is being advertised in the stream bar it means they have payed a certain sum of money. ok,ok, when I'm mad my english is much worse than usually... I just hate to see PPV streams and people saying it is great for e-sports. It is awful thing. If you look for long term thing you will provide something for free and then you will earn from commercials MLG have stated that they make a LOT more money from PPV than free streams with commercials, while that is still the case, PPV will continue over free streams. of course they will say something like that Yes, actually they are only hosting pay per view events to piss off viewers. How can you even think this? Of course they make more money when they recieve direct payment from each viewer...
Jeesh, you don't seem to understand what the guy is implying.
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Stephano was never ahead. He doesn't understand ZvZ :|
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People need to remember that piracy exists as a market correction; and in many cases, an advantageous/superior product or at the very least, a better delivery method. If the price of a good is deemed too high by the market or the model inefficient, forces will be enacted to correct.
The prevalence of Napster and other such P2P services existed primarily because it allowed people to obtain software they deemed to be too highly priced, and to also obtain individual songs which the music industry model did not allow. By ignoring that model for as long as it did, the music industry did irreparable harm to which people won't even bat an eyelash to pirate things. You then had Apple and Amazon and other services arrive to fill that gap, allowing individual song purchases, and it's been largely successful.
Movies and TV shows were under the same guise. Rather than attempt to be part of the new age of media delivery with the Internet, music, TV and movie studios fought more than appeasing the customers in the market. They've slowly started to come around, and even still, movies are continually beating box office records, which dampens a lot of the whining they do about piracy.
Steam is another example. The delivery method and system was ahead of its time, as it was poorly done in the beginning. But, it's influence and popularity at this stage show that people in our generation were changing our tastes and desires, and digital delivery was the way to go. Rather than the traditional boxing, distribution and physical retail outfit, Steam was there to demand more from publishers to fill the growing desire to integrate these games and give the more preferred method to its customers.
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