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Hahahahaha where did you find this?
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lagging like crazy again.-..-...-.-
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On May 21 2012 03:01 FakeDeath wrote:I think so too. Although he is coming out from the loser's bracket, i still think he can win.
Especially since the person who beat him is already out in Polt. If Polt had beaten MC, with Polt's current TvZ, and down 2-1, it would have been really difficult. But with Polt out and Symbol's ZvZ, he should be the favorite to take this.
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On May 21 2012 02:58 ashortstory wrote:
Lol, its silly how u guys talkin about imbalance in ZXP and just forget how awesome Symbol outplayed MC. I mean, he countered MC`s tatic perfectly, while the boss president was really blind in both games: fast colossus third base against mass drop, and void ray play against hum.. hidras?
there is a reason for that.
a good zerg will always see EVERYTHING the toss is preparing, while the Protoss DOESNT know anything, because you just cant scout before any observer.
While the zerg just has everywhere his ugly fast overlords revealing the hole map.
I just feel sad, i will not play any game, till Hots comes out.
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On May 21 2012 02:59 ceaRshaf wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 02:58 Derrida wrote:On May 21 2012 02:56 TotalBiscuit wrote:On May 21 2012 02:55 Polox wrote:
How much exposure does mlg arenas get compared to dreamhack? How many viewers? How many NEW viewers? I doubt i need to go any further with this.
Yeah you do because your logic is awful and full of fallacy. Please expand, because from my point of view, it seem as if you are just happy to be flied there and get paid by MLG. The downside of having TB cast something is that he will answer like an angry child in the LR.
Yeah, TB you're an excellent caster, but reading this shit and arguing while you actually cast isn't going to do you any favors.
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On May 21 2012 03:02 Pandain wrote:Hahahahaha where did you find this?
I made it ;D after stephano reminded me of a koala somehow.
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with pool and then later gas i woulda liked to see early 6 lings like DRG does...oh wells
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On May 21 2012 02:58 ceaRshaf wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 02:54 Thomanson wrote:On May 21 2012 02:47 purgerinho wrote:On May 21 2012 02:42 Thomanson wrote:On May 21 2012 02:37 ohampatu wrote:On May 21 2012 02:35 ntssauce wrote:On May 21 2012 02:29 Thomanson wrote:On May 21 2012 02:28 TotalBiscuit wrote:On May 21 2012 02:27 Thomanson wrote:On May 21 2012 02:24 Mondieu wrote:
I'd love to watch this if it was free.*wink* I'd love to have free UFC events live. I'm surprised people think the tournament would happen if it was free. These EXTRA events exist because they are PPV and are extremely expensive to run. Exactly. People watching restreams are killing esports. And not joking. If you're not supporting via ads or ppv buys, you are dead weight. oh so there is a difference if i don't watch at all or watch a restream? you can maybe say that about restreamers. But i guess most of people that watch restream wouldn't have paid after all and are watching it only because there is a restream , i doubt they are "killing esports" Piracy doesn't kill esports. Just like it doesn't kill the sales of video games. The people who pirate wouldn't have paid anyway, they would have just went without. And that's the issue. The people who wouldn't have paid anyway, obviously don't find it worth their money. In that case they shouldn't get it. If they grew up and learned to make value choices like mature adults, we'd all be better off. Product providers would have to be more responsible if we were all informed mature consumers. (Because the opposite of the pirate is the blind consumer, who also hurts the market) not true if there was no piracy I would never buy broodwar of sc2 - never.. those games, football manager and PES series are only games I have ever bought.. if there was no piracy I would never know for so many tv shows.. piracy is killing e-sport? broodwar is still alive and all of the streams (and vods) were FREE ALL THE TIME and I just want to know does MLG pays to TLnet for free commercial? I mean, we have a link for a stream that costs 20$. Ads and sponsors. Free is not what you think it is. Entertainment doesn't just magically fucking appear for your amusement. Supporting the things you enjoy increases the chances of you having MORE things to enjoy in the future. Watching something is supportive enough because of how rating works. Ads are the better system. I prefer Youtube giving me ads than having to pay for it. I feel I let them do their stuff while I do mine. Trade of interests.
Ratings? You mean like on TV? You know that the reason ratings are important is because that's how they demand.....ad revenue? Personally I prefer subscription/ppv models, but then, they require a little more balancing value/price wise.
Advertising model in streaming is highly reliant on sponsors, since only the ads in the actual broadcast can be counted on, due to the prevalence of adblock. Of course...to get the sponsor $ to the point where advertising makes sense, we have to be seen as an audience that can be counted on to support the scene with dollars.
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Thorzain vs Ret on the Dr. Pepper stream as well.
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On May 21 2012 03:00 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 02:59 Dupens wrote:
I found restream. Where i should report it? MLG staffPM this guy it, I've done it with a couple myself.
OMG, hahaha, you will really report it? scary :D
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On May 21 2012 03:02 L3g3nd_ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 03:01 WestToast wrote:On May 21 2012 02:58 Derrida wrote:On May 21 2012 02:56 TotalBiscuit wrote:On May 21 2012 02:55 Polox wrote:
How much exposure does mlg arenas get compared to dreamhack? How many viewers? How many NEW viewers? I doubt i need to go any further with this.
Yeah you do because your logic is awful and full of fallacy. Please expand, because from my point of view, it seem as if you are just happy to be flied there and get paid by MLG. The MLG Arenas are amongst the best tournaments around. Dreamhacks are nice, but do not have anywhere near the player quality found in MLG Arenas. Please take your trolling to Reddit. yeah i personally dont enjoy Dreamhacks much, MLG has the star power in the koreans which is what i prefer (due to the PPV and them being able to fly koreans over) I pay for MLG and watch it all, and dont watch dreamhack
It lacks the crowd though... makes it less exciting in my opinion... :-/
but I like it is pure qualifier only.
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On May 21 2012 03:02 purgerinho wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 02:51 Fragile51 wrote:On May 21 2012 02:47 purgerinho wrote:On May 21 2012 02:42 Thomanson wrote:On May 21 2012 02:37 ohampatu wrote:On May 21 2012 02:35 ntssauce wrote:On May 21 2012 02:29 Thomanson wrote:On May 21 2012 02:28 TotalBiscuit wrote:On May 21 2012 02:27 Thomanson wrote:On May 21 2012 02:24 Mondieu wrote:
I'd love to watch this if it was free.*wink* I'd love to have free UFC events live. I'm surprised people think the tournament would happen if it was free. These EXTRA events exist because they are PPV and are extremely expensive to run. Exactly. People watching restreams are killing esports. And not joking. If you're not supporting via ads or ppv buys, you are dead weight. oh so there is a difference if i don't watch at all or watch a restream? you can maybe say that about restreamers. But i guess most of people that watch restream wouldn't have paid after all and are watching it only because there is a restream , i doubt they are "killing esports" Piracy doesn't kill esports. Just like it doesn't kill the sales of video games. The people who pirate wouldn't have paid anyway, they would have just went without. And that's the issue. The people who wouldn't have paid anyway, obviously don't find it worth their money. In that case they shouldn't get it. If they grew up and learned to make value choices like mature adults, we'd all be better off. Product providers would have to be more responsible if we were all informed mature consumers. (Because the opposite of the pirate is the blind consumer, who also hurts the market) not true if there was no piracy I would never buy broodwar of sc2 - never.. those games, football manager and PES series are only games I have ever bought.. if there was no piracy I would never know for so many tv shows.. piracy is killing e-sport? broodwar is still alive and all of the streams (and vods) were FREE ALL THE TIME and I just want to know does MLG pays to TLnet for free commercial? I mean, we have a link for a stream that costs 20$. Paying for free commercial? Come on, proofread or something..and yes, if an event is PPV and it is being advertised in the stream bar it means they have payed a certain sum of money. ok,ok, when I'm mad my english is much worse than usually... I just hate to see PPV streams and people saying it is great for e-sports. It is awful thing. If you look for long term thing you will provide something for free and then you will earn from commercials
MLG have stated that they make a LOT more money from PPV than free streams with commercials, while that is still the case, PPV will continue over free streams.
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On May 21 2012 03:02 clusen wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 02:59 tranmillitary wrote:On May 21 2012 02:53 Jaegeru wrote:On May 21 2012 02:48 tranmillitary wrote:
as a toss, i hate vs any zerg.
Roaches are the most cost effective unit in the game. you can get so many out in very little time. As much as terran hates toss late game, toss hates zergs period. at least a terran can win mid game, toss can't win early, mid, or late game vs zerg.
Roaches are extremely supply inefficient, I love it when I see zergs going roaches - they are only decent for a limited amount of time until protoss get his super army out. are you gold??? they can max out on roaches in just over 10 mins, even if you cut probe production you can't be over 140 supply with gateway units, less if your techin to collos. supply inefficient?? you seriously haven't played much.. or in a low league I think you don't know what "supply inefficient" means. That roaches boost your supply count that much is what he is talking about - a maxed roach army is extremely weak compared to any other army with a similar supply count, a 150 supply Toss army wins against them with decent positioning
the point is and the point symbol and other zergs have used is you can send 20 roaches to the 3rd, 20 to the main, 20 to anywhere else and splitting the toss army up like that makes it almost impossible to hold as the toss army at any point is incredibly small, unless the toss turtled on 2 base to max.. but by then zerg has 5 base ...
i think the current maps make it very very easy for zerg to abuse protoss.
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On May 21 2012 03:04 JustPassingBy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 03:02 L3g3nd_ wrote:On May 21 2012 03:01 WestToast wrote:On May 21 2012 02:58 Derrida wrote:On May 21 2012 02:56 TotalBiscuit wrote:On May 21 2012 02:55 Polox wrote:
How much exposure does mlg arenas get compared to dreamhack? How many viewers? How many NEW viewers? I doubt i need to go any further with this.
Yeah you do because your logic is awful and full of fallacy. Please expand, because from my point of view, it seem as if you are just happy to be flied there and get paid by MLG. The MLG Arenas are amongst the best tournaments around. Dreamhacks are nice, but do not have anywhere near the player quality found in MLG Arenas. Please take your trolling to Reddit. yeah i personally dont enjoy Dreamhacks much, MLG has the star power in the koreans which is what i prefer (due to the PPV and them being able to fly koreans over) I pay for MLG and watch it all, and dont watch dreamhack It lacks the crowd though... makes it less exciting in my opinion... :-/ but I like it is pure qualifier only.
MLG has crowds... just not at arenas.
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On May 21 2012 03:04 purgerinho wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 03:00 Pandain wrote:On May 21 2012 02:59 Dupens wrote:
I found restream. Where i should report it? MLG staffPM this guy it, I've done it with a couple myself. OMG, hahaha, you will really report it? scary :D
Of course you should report it. I report people who sneak into the theatre/stadiums too. I paid my money, they should pay theirs. XD
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On May 21 2012 03:00 ladyumbra wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 02:48 ashortstory wrote:
Seriously, why do you guys hate ZXZ and say it`s boring?
I honestly don`t get it. ZXZ is probably the most intense matchup of the whole game. Early game is based on pure micro. The best one with the best micro wins, simply as that. It`s not based on luck (some say it is, but in fact it is not if you scout properly) but on your own skills. I love ling / baneling fights, the decision making of each player to see how they can maximize the damage and stuff like that.
Mid game you need to find the balance between units and drones, really awesome again to see the decision making. What about mid-late game? Infestors play is AWESOME, and it`s even better when there are INFESTORS DROP or INFESTORS BURROWED, if you guys haven`t see that, give it a shot, It`s awesome and I hope we can see some infestor heavily playstyle!
ZXZ in a spectator point of view is just perfect. I`m not zerg and I`m high master terran. I think the problem a lot of people have is just that early game ZvZ is rediculously fragile. Ling/baneling wars for 3-4 mins is cool and takes a ton of skill but it can often be over too fast for some people to really appreciate what happened. It's a great way to see who really thrives in a low econ setting and I like it but i understand why some people don't. ZvZ midgame is boring as hell to me though, roach hydra infestor vs roach hydra infestor, and if the infestor count gets high enough you can't see anything because every unit is covered in fungal growth. It's not that there isn't an art to knowing when to tech and the exact right number of what units to have in your composition but the outcome on the screen is rarely fun to look at. Muta battles when they happen are pretty cool though ( God I miss scourge though).
Pretty much this. The ling bling stage is awesome, but when it gets to the mass roach and infestor stage it's just downright ugly to watch, it really can't get any less inspiring than those two units clashing en masse.
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bling vs bling, always intense.
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Could anyone please live report ?
My internet speed doesn't allow me to watch a stream and I would love to know what's happening :x
I also guess that I'm not the only one, thanks 
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On May 21 2012 03:04 L3g3nd_ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 03:02 purgerinho wrote:On May 21 2012 02:51 Fragile51 wrote:On May 21 2012 02:47 purgerinho wrote:On May 21 2012 02:42 Thomanson wrote:On May 21 2012 02:37 ohampatu wrote:On May 21 2012 02:35 ntssauce wrote:On May 21 2012 02:29 Thomanson wrote:On May 21 2012 02:28 TotalBiscuit wrote:On May 21 2012 02:27 Thomanson wrote:
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I'd love to have free UFC events live. I'm surprised people think the tournament would happen if it was free. These EXTRA events exist because they are PPV and are extremely expensive to run. Exactly. People watching restreams are killing esports. And not joking. If you're not supporting via ads or ppv buys, you are dead weight. oh so there is a difference if i don't watch at all or watch a restream? you can maybe say that about restreamers. But i guess most of people that watch restream wouldn't have paid after all and are watching it only because there is a restream , i doubt they are "killing esports" Piracy doesn't kill esports. Just like it doesn't kill the sales of video games. The people who pirate wouldn't have paid anyway, they would have just went without. And that's the issue. The people who wouldn't have paid anyway, obviously don't find it worth their money. In that case they shouldn't get it. If they grew up and learned to make value choices like mature adults, we'd all be better off. Product providers would have to be more responsible if we were all informed mature consumers. (Because the opposite of the pirate is the blind consumer, who also hurts the market) not true if there was no piracy I would never buy broodwar of sc2 - never.. those games, football manager and PES series are only games I have ever bought.. if there was no piracy I would never know for so many tv shows.. piracy is killing e-sport? broodwar is still alive and all of the streams (and vods) were FREE ALL THE TIME and I just want to know does MLG pays to TLnet for free commercial? I mean, we have a link for a stream that costs 20$. Paying for free commercial? Come on, proofread or something..and yes, if an event is PPV and it is being advertised in the stream bar it means they have payed a certain sum of money. ok,ok, when I'm mad my english is much worse than usually... I just hate to see PPV streams and people saying it is great for e-sports. It is awful thing. If you look for long term thing you will provide something for free and then you will earn from commercials MLG have stated that they make a LOT more money from PPV than free streams with commercials, while that is still the case, PPV will continue over free streams.
And you expect them to tell us if the system failed ? That's not how you do business.
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I have no idea why blizzard made these over lords so fast now, they can scout the map that much quicker. a good zerg vs a good protoss, zerg wins everytime.
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