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On May 21 2012 02:41 ntssauce wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 02:38 Pandain wrote:On May 21 2012 02:35 ntssauce wrote:On May 21 2012 02:29 Thomanson wrote:On May 21 2012 02:28 TotalBiscuit wrote:On May 21 2012 02:27 Thomanson wrote:On May 21 2012 02:24 Mondieu wrote:
I'd love to watch this if it was free.*wink* I'd love to have free UFC events live. I'm surprised people think the tournament would happen if it was free. These EXTRA events exist because they are PPV and are extremely expensive to run. Exactly. People watching restreams are killing esports. And not joking. If you're not supporting via ads or ppv buys, you are dead weight. oh so there is a difference if i don't watch at all or watch a restream? you can maybe say that about restreamers. But i guess most of people that watch restream wouldn't have paid after all and are watching it only because there is a restream , i doubt they are "killing esports" No actually. If you have a PPV event of this high quality, then people (if they can't get restreams) will want to watch so bad that they'll just realize its worth it for 20 dollars. Saying "oh, but I just wouldn't have watched" is a horrible argument because in reality all you contribute is an increased societal faith in restreams, and the willingness to hurt esports just for your personal pleasure. quote TB : If you pirate the stream, you're not a customer anyway so you're not worth paying any attention to. The kind of people that watch restreams either can't afford it in the first place so there's no lost sale there or won't pay for it in which case they were never part of your potential market anyway.
There's so much shit that people would pay for if they couldn't get it free. They are potential customers, they simply don't pay because they can get it for free. That's an absolutely terrible argument. There's a ridiculous amount of people for example that have bought SC2 because they couldn't pirate it to play online.
People have pirated a ton of shit that I'm sure they would have bought otherwise, myself included. And I would say this is the norm. People who say otherwise are often deluding themselves.
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On May 21 2012 02:43 goswser wrote:
Symbol, Dongraegu, and Stephano are arguably the strongest three zergs in the world right now.
Agreed
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hm, watching the replay now, 192 vs 112 supply before the drop. Could MC hold it straight up anyway?
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On May 21 2012 02:41 ntssauce wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 02:38 Pandain wrote:On May 21 2012 02:35 ntssauce wrote:On May 21 2012 02:29 Thomanson wrote:On May 21 2012 02:28 TotalBiscuit wrote:On May 21 2012 02:27 Thomanson wrote:On May 21 2012 02:24 Mondieu wrote:
I'd love to watch this if it was free.*wink* I'd love to have free UFC events live. I'm surprised people think the tournament would happen if it was free. These EXTRA events exist because they are PPV and are extremely expensive to run. Exactly. People watching restreams are killing esports. And not joking. If you're not supporting via ads or ppv buys, you are dead weight. oh so there is a difference if i don't watch at all or watch a restream? you can maybe say that about restreamers. But i guess most of people that watch restream wouldn't have paid after all and are watching it only because there is a restream , i doubt they are "killing esports" No actually. If you have a PPV event of this high quality, then people (if they can't get restreams) will want to watch so bad that they'll just realize its worth it for 20 dollars. Saying "oh, but I just wouldn't have watched" is a horrible argument because in reality all you contribute is an increased societal faith in restreams, and the willingness to hurt esports just for your personal pleasure. quote TB : If you pirate the stream, you're not a customer anyway so you're not worth paying any attention to. The kind of people that watch restreams either can't afford it in the first place so there's no lost sale there or won't pay for it in which case they were never part of your potential market anyway.
That's a sweeping generalization.
Plenty of people switch to buying the real thing if they realize that pirated copies are insufficient. It's a conflict between supply and demand. If demand is big, but supply (restreams) are also big, then people won't pay- they''ll just watch restreams.
But there are a significant minority who probably would pay for MLG in the end, if they had not been given links to restreams.
Most importantly in all of this is the depravity I find in the people outright promoting restreams here. If you want to watch a restream, ok, fine. There's nothing I can really do. But actively sharing it with other people? That is truly killing esports.
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stop saying : "terrans that complain should remember 4 titles in gsl " , that was the PAST this is NOW , this argument is bullshit.
I'm not saying zerg is too strong or something just that the argument is stupid, i think zerg descovered things like drop finally and that's why they win ... not balance.
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Going to be the shortest MLG finals thread ever I'm guessing. 3 ZvZ's in a row.
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Will they shorten the schedule now?
Else we'll have a lot of downtime with all this ZvZ.
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Ok only zergs left. Go stephano!
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Oh no i'm getin the lag ya'll r talkin about finally ;*(. Also though you guys complaining about this arena are silly....This arena was totally stacked with koreans and the finals are not purely korean doesn't that make u happy? I mean not to dis Korean success but you know foreign success is special in my heart ♥
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I hope Stephano wins this MLG.
I think it's better that MC doesn't reach the finals because of extended series rule that would make the finals anticlimatic anyways.
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Why don't these guys play like this in the GSL? I love that Protoss is doing well again but no Zergs at all made the last rounds a bit boring. I hope they can step it up next season.
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in game 1 MC teched colossi + got 3rd, without having delt any eco damage...
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On May 21 2012 02:44 Derrida wrote:
hm, watching the replay now, 192 vs 112 supply before the drop. Could MC hold it straight up anyway?
Yes he could have, if the drop wasnt there, FF's would have done so much. But I feel like MC should sim city the third. Otherwise the nexus is free food.
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On May 21 2012 02:43 ceaRshaf wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 02:42 SkullZ9 wrote:On May 21 2012 02:41 KingofGods wrote:
Zerg 1,2,3. What will Idra's excuse be now? You should stop hating ignorantly and watch Idra's interview in this MLG. He admitted he was playing very bad at the moment It took a lot of obvious facts to change idras mind though.
"at the moment". Meanwhile Idra has been complaining about zerg sucking since beta.
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On May 21 2012 02:44 Derrida wrote:
hm, watching the replay now, 192 vs 112 supply before the drop. Could MC hold it straight up anyway?
Nah. Massing roaches is almost a free win against protoss.
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Canada13407 Posts
KCDC's fears have come through, now that they can max early they are learning how to max with drops O.O
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On May 21 2012 02:42 Belha wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 02:41 La1 wrote:On May 21 2012 02:40 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
top3 zergs *cough* Balance *cough*  personally as a protoss ive always struggled vs z, and i didnt learn anything from those games  sad times symbol played amazing though Is not balance, is awful design.
I sort of agree, i don't like a lot of the new maps, i quit @ season 2 and only recently started playin again and all the maps are marco game maps now, easy 2 base for everybody, and normally i notice protoss struggle to get a 3rd
gotta love it though .. also how good are roaches? How much do they cost? 75-25? wish my stalkers cost that :D
edit in relation to the arena you just see marco for 10-20 min, then 1 big fight and a gg called.. not the most exciting although sockes game vs thorzain was epic
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On May 21 2012 02:44 AxionSteel wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 02:43 goswser wrote:
Symbol, Dongraegu, and Stephano are arguably the strongest three zergs in the world right now. Agreed
I'd put Violet up there as well, he seems perennially underated. Which is really odd, as 2 of the top 4 Zergs are from outside of Korea (Violet trains in USA).
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EPT
