EPTMLG Spring Arena 2[Final Day] - Page 27
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SCST
Mexico1609 Posts
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s3rp
Germany3192 Posts
The problem isn't that its PPV itsself. | ||
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Polox
Sweden115 Posts
On May 21 2012 02:32 ratbert wrote: just quoting so mods can get rid of this moron before he edits again  okay you are faster than expected :o Thanks, Im now watching an excellent series for free, thx dude | ||
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
On May 21 2012 02:32 Lann555 wrote: Lol, so true. It's incredibly rare for Protoss to hold off this style unless they actually did some early game damage. This was a nice variation from Symbol tho The problem is partially that protoss is spread out too thinnly with three bases. At that point of time, your army is inferior to the zerg. point. so you need to engage favourably against him. However that is not possible if you are spread out that much and the zerg gets to dictate where to engage. | ||
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Jaegeru
United Kingdom676 Posts
On May 21 2012 02:33 TheCheapSkate wrote: Why are thorzain and rain playing?' Consolidation match. | ||
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imMUTAble787
United States680 Posts
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ntssauce
Germany750 Posts
On May 21 2012 02:29 Thomanson wrote: Exactly. People watching restreams are killing esports. And not joking. If you're not supporting via ads or ppv buys, you are dead weight. oh so there is a difference if i don't watch at all or watch a restream? you can maybe say that about restreamers. But i guess most of people that watch restream wouldn't have paid after all and are watching it only because there is a restream , i doubt they are "killing esports" | ||
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Youtakenocandle
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ohampatu
United States1448 Posts
On May 21 2012 02:33 Sleed wrote: Just get over it. It happens for every top foreigner; Thorzain, Naniwa, Huk True, but generally there isn't math to prove them all completely wrong. And in the case of Stephano vs MC, Stephano winning yesterday was an 'upset', he has never beat MC before. I will admit, i said it again twice, just cause it feels good finding something that stephano isn't 'omg the best at'. Hopefully mc doesn't let stephano tie it up though, thats if mc beats symbol | ||
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GaliX
Germany380 Posts
On May 21 2012 02:35 imMUTAble787 wrote: $20 gets you more hours of content than Diablo3 =] soo true... | ||
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Sargonian
United States164 Posts
On May 21 2012 02:31 L3g3nd_ wrote: wihtout tecehing or droning a 4th it is, if it does no damage then he has no way to stop the deathball push There's no way it does 0 damage and if it does he would have taken fourth. Plus he was teching and upgrading. Not all in by any means. In fact, if MC had held perfectly and then pushed with a decent ball, Symbol could have dropped main with that build as soon as MC moves out making it a build that re-acts fine even if it does 0dmg with first attack so I feel like calling it all in is quite far fetched. | ||
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magnaflow
Canada1521 Posts
On May 21 2012 02:33 GaliX wrote: this is just ridiculous... Z is just overpowerd. Did anybody just watched MC vs. Symbol? there was just no chance to win this as a protoss. Its just not balanced any more. I'll give you the same advice Toss gives all Terran players.. L2P, nothing wrong, it's just you bla bla bla. Sound familiar?? | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On May 21 2012 02:33 Derrida wrote: Aren't all MLG events PPV now? Not just the "extra" ones? no. the championship events are free. | ||
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
On May 21 2012 02:34 s3rp wrote: I would love for MLG to implement more pay options . What if you just want to watch the games and don't care about VOD's ? Or if you can only watch on certain days like me this weekend ? I'm not going to pay full price if i just want a fraction of the content . The problem isn't that its PPV itsself. If you talk like that, then the problem itself still lies that it is too expensive. Take for example GSL, I never heard people complain that they want only vods or only hq stream and hence only pay the fraction of the price. | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On May 21 2012 02:32 Sargonian wrote: I recently had a realization. For the past few months I've been trying to be pro-esports...trying to get my friends into it etc. Also ranting on TL about what the foreign scene needs to do to catch up to Korea, esports economy and infrastructure etc. Then I realized I hadn't spent a single dollar on any event or anything or supported any player in anyway, no GSL ticket or anything... So ya, I think a lot of us want e sports to grow but we're just not doing anything about it. You're not required to "do anything for eSports". If you don't want to pay, you don't pay. That's how the free market works. If you think it's worth it, you pay for it. If you don't, that's fine too. If you pirate the stream, you're not a customer anyway so you're not worth paying any attention to. The kind of people that watch restreams either can't afford it in the first place so there's no lost sale there or won't pay for it in which case they were never part of your potential market anyway. Their opinion isn't relevant, they're a null statistic, they essentially don't exist. Focus on catering to the people that do. PPVs only need a small fraction of the viewership of a free-view tournament to make more money. Each PPV pass customer is worth many times as much as a free viewer would ever be. | ||
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ohampatu
United States1448 Posts
On May 21 2012 02:35 ntssauce wrote: oh so there is a difference if i don't watch at all or watch a restream? you can maybe say that about restreamers. But i guess most of people that watch restream wouldn't have paid after all and are watching it only because there is a restream , i doubt they are "killing esports" Piracy doesn't kill esports. Just like it doesn't kill the sales of video games. The people who pirate wouldn't have paid anyway, they would have just went without. | ||
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ntssauce
Germany750 Posts
On May 21 2012 02:35 imMUTAble787 wrote: $20 gets you more hours of content than Diablo3 =] 50 $ gave me 2 years of fun ( sc2 ) i can't pay for 3 days fun 20$ i miss 362 days btw i don't have fucking diablo cause expensive shit. | ||
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
Btw. these are by no means "extra" or supplementary events, they determine the seeds for the championship, which is incredibly important in their format. | ||
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Thomanson
United States215 Posts
On May 21 2012 02:34 s3rp wrote: I would love for MLG to implement more pay options . What if you just want to watch the games and don't care about VOD's ? Or if you can only watch on certain days like me this weekend ? I'm not going to pay full price if i just want a fraction of the content . The problem isn't that its PPV itsself. That's a good point. A lot of conventions have a weekend pass and then daily ones. The problem is how many people would /just/ buy the final day? You can't have the final day be 1/3 the price...maybe half price for the last day, so that the weekend is still a bargain for those who are going to use it. A range of pricing options would be nice. But.... we know some people would still be bitching even if MLG sent them complimentary hookers. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On May 21 2012 02:35 ntssauce wrote: oh so there is a difference if i don't watch at all or watch a restream? you can maybe say that about restreamers. But i guess most of people that watch restream wouldn't have paid after all and are watching it only because there is a restream , i doubt they are "killing esports" No actually. If you have a PPV event of this high quality, then people (if they can't get restreams) will want to watch so bad that they'll just realize its worth it for 20 dollars. Saying "oh, but I just wouldn't have watched" is a horrible argument because in reality all you contribute is an increased societal faith in restreams, and the willingness to hurt esports just for your personal pleasure. | ||
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