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tofubeans
Profile Joined January 2011
United States794 Posts
May 19 2012 17:55 GMT
#441
what happened to the format from last spring arena? where everyone played 3 games?
FreudianTrip
Profile Joined July 2011
Switzerland1983 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-19 17:57:38
May 19 2012 17:55 GMT
#442
On May 20 2012 02:38 MLG_Adam wrote:
We have over 20 hours of content on each of our 11 streams (over 200 hours of programming if you want to do the math that way). No commercials, 1080p, top tier talent, near instant VOD, top tier players, and a viewing mechanism to watch multiple streams. We have also upgraded our production every single event (jib cameras, PIP, lighting improvements, POVs, etc). We are trying to make this product worth it and I think it boils down to: you either think it is worth the money and pay for it, or you don't.

We're constantly adjusting our offering. The thing to keep in mind is that NO ONE in this space has figured it out yet. As a business we need to make money to keep doing these events. Have we found our perfect model yet? No. We plan to keep changing from season to season based on what works.

Thanks for your support.


Sorry to be a douche but, I just hate this argument. That's like saying the last day of the Premiership had 15 hours of content but it didn't because you can only watch one match.

You're also counting FPVods which is just silly. Can I quadruple my previous bit of math to account that each match had on average 12 cameras at it which means the last day of the Premiership had... 180 hours of programming?
Douillos
Profile Joined May 2010
France3195 Posts
May 19 2012 17:56 GMT
#443
On May 20 2012 02:54 Derrida wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2012 02:53 Agathon wrote:
On May 20 2012 02:48 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:
On May 20 2012 02:44 Eee wrote:
On May 20 2012 02:37 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:
On May 20 2012 02:20 Dosey wrote:
On May 20 2012 02:19 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
On May 20 2012 02:13 Swords wrote:
On May 20 2012 02:09 michielbrands wrote:
hmz kinda in doubt wether i will pay for today, yesterday i wasn't able to watch..tommorow i am at a barcraft and I don't feel like watching everything currently so kinda useless to pay 20 dollar for that. I wish that I as a season pass holder was able to view all the arena events just 1 stream and perhaps on a lower quality or something this is kinda annoying.



This is my problem with the PPV model MLG uses. Unless my weekend is free enough to see a good portion of the games it really isn't worth $20 to me. I don't want to spend $20 on a day's worth of games because I have stuff on Friday/Sunday when I could just spend the $20 on drinks with friends or seeing a movie or something.


an MLG event is better than at least 95% of the movies hollywood makes and then asks you to spend ~$14 for at most 2.5 hours of entertainment.

Even if you have 5 hours available for a weekend the 5 hours for $20 is a better deal than almost all of the movies made since 2000.

There are a few all time classic movies that are incredible. But, you can download'em for nothin'.

A UEFA Championship is free and offers the same amount of entertainment...

I don't understand your point.


Really? Euro 2012 and/or Champions league is FREE in the US? It sure ain't in Sweden.

Euro 2012 is free in Sweden, Champions League is partially free (Not all matches are), WTF are you talking about?


Financed through tax =! free. Swedish citizens pay shit loads of tax money to UEFA and FIFA for broadcasting rights.


In France, private TV channel buy diffusion rights, it's free for viewers, payed by ads. Nothing to do with taxes, and 100% free for french football fans.


And you don't pay monthly fee for getting TV service in your home? (not trying to argue, curious about the french case).


There is a tax on television. it's called "redevance television".
Look a giraffe! Look a fist!!
Lasbike
Profile Joined January 2011
France2888 Posts
May 19 2012 17:57 GMT
#444
On May 20 2012 02:46 Looms wrote:
MMA, Oz, SeleCT, IdrA all out 0-2 already. wow crazy results so far..... except for that last name of course

Well, the Idra result is absolutely not crazy and really expected..But MMA & Oz, waw, you're right. I thought those 2 would have made it to Ro8 at the very least.
Lann555
Profile Joined February 2010
Netherlands5173 Posts
May 19 2012 17:57 GMT
#445
On May 20 2012 02:43 L3g3nd_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2012 02:42 Lann555 wrote:
Is Goody now the only foreigner to beat both MMA and Nestea in a best-of?

Dare I say...foreigner bonjwa?

i dont know if youre being serious or not.

What the fuck is a "foreigner bonjwa"

People need to stop throwing that word around when they dont know what it means


I was not being serious.

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Dosey
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4505 Posts
May 19 2012 17:57 GMT
#446
Jesus people... I didn't mean for an ironic statement to cause a deep 5 page discussion on the taxing of television. You all get derailed so easily.
Derrida
Profile Joined March 2011
2885 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-19 17:59:19
May 19 2012 17:58 GMT
#447
On the topic of the price, I honestly think MLG would earn more money by reducing the price. Just like the country with high corruption (forgot which one) which reduced taxes by half and tripled its income from taxes


On May 20 2012 02:57 Dosey wrote:
Jesus people... I didn't mean for an ironic statement to cause a deep 5 page discussion on the taxing of television. You all get derailed so easily.


it's because we are waiting for GRUBBY!
#1 Grubby Fan.
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
May 19 2012 17:58 GMT
#448
agh, goody's achilles heel... <.<
TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8307 Posts
May 19 2012 17:58 GMT
#449
Poor Goody, hit a couple of supply blocks (not exactly surprising). Excited for Grubby though he's just SO FUN to watch.
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
ensign_lee
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1178 Posts
May 19 2012 17:58 GMT
#450
Holy F. Grubby just dismantling Goody. AMAZING FFs!
Mozdk
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark6989 Posts
May 19 2012 17:58 GMT
#451
Grubby actually played perfect that game. But goody made it easy. Any low lvl masters P would have won that game.
"It's really hard to Protoss" - White-Ra |||| "Apedts are dfucking amazing" - Lorning
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
May 19 2012 17:59 GMT
#452
like a jedi...
L3g3nd_
Profile Joined July 2010
New Zealand10461 Posts
May 19 2012 17:59 GMT
#453
On May 20 2012 02:55 FreudianTrip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2012 02:38 MLG_Adam wrote:
We have over 20 hours of content on each of our 11 streams (over 200 hours of programming if you want to do the math that way). No commercials, 1080p, top tier talent, near instant VOD, top tier players, and a viewing mechanism to watch multiple streams. We have also upgraded our production every single event (jib cameras, PIP, lighting improvements, POVs, etc). We are trying to make this product worth it and I think it boils down to: you either think it is worth the money and pay for it, or you don't.

We're constantly adjusting our offering. The thing to keep in mind is that NO ONE in this space has figured it out yet. As a business we need to make money to keep doing these events. Have we found our perfect model yet? No. We plan to keep changing from season to season based on what works.

Thanks for your support.


Sorry to be a douche but, I hate this argument. That's like saying the last day of the Premiership had 15 hours of content but it didn't because you can only watch one match.

You're also counting FPVods which is just silly. Can I quadruple my previous bit of math to account that each match had on average 12 cameras at it which means the last day of the Premiership had... 180 hours of programming?

he added a disclaimer "if you want to do the math that way"

12 cameras is an overstatement, there are 2 camers for each sc2 game, each showing different things (3 if it is on one of the main streams) and all show a different aspect, its like how football uses different camers for each end of the pitch, its not double ups.
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Mouzone
Profile Joined April 2011
3937 Posts
May 19 2012 17:59 GMT
#454
Haha, Grubby :-D
WhosTheSmuRf
Profile Joined April 2012
United States56 Posts
May 19 2012 17:59 GMT
#455
How come all the POV streams are so green at MLG? Someone knows how to do that?
MLG_Adam
Profile Joined July 2010
United States994 Posts
May 19 2012 17:59 GMT
#456
On May 20 2012 02:55 FreudianTrip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2012 02:38 MLG_Adam wrote:
We have over 20 hours of content on each of our 11 streams (over 200 hours of programming if you want to do the math that way). No commercials, 1080p, top tier talent, near instant VOD, top tier players, and a viewing mechanism to watch multiple streams. We have also upgraded our production every single event (jib cameras, PIP, lighting improvements, POVs, etc). We are trying to make this product worth it and I think it boils down to: you either think it is worth the money and pay for it, or you don't.

We're constantly adjusting our offering. The thing to keep in mind is that NO ONE in this space has figured it out yet. As a business we need to make money to keep doing these events. Have we found our perfect model yet? No. We plan to keep changing from season to season based on what works.

Thanks for your support.


Sorry to be a douche but, I hate this argument. That's like saying the last day of the Premiership had 15 hours of content but it didn't because you can only watch one match.

You're also counting FPVods which is just silly. Can I quadruple my previous bit of math to account that each match had on average 12 cameras at it which means the last day of the Premiership had... 180 hours of programming?



I am counting FP view, 100%. That is a stream that you would not have unless we paid to convert it and broadcast it. You can't use the 12 cameras argument because your TV does not allow you to switch to each of those 12 cameras at any time, or watch them simultaneously. If you were able to do that, then I would certainly label those original programming.

You can nit pick my comment, and I knew it would be, but I stand by it. Regardless, just say that we're only counting main, game play 1, and the 4 POVs for the 2 uncasted matches, that is 6 streams of original content, or 100+ hours of programming.
Twitter: MrAdamAp
Brotatolol
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1742 Posts
May 19 2012 17:59 GMT
#457
Damn, look at Grubby... he knows that he's a boss.
ashortstory
Profile Joined April 2012
Brazil160 Posts
May 19 2012 17:59 GMT
#458
Wow really? Foreigns against foreigns in lower bracket? All of them? REally? fuck.. this MLG is going to get really boring with all these koreans
Sonic Death Monkey
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden991 Posts
May 19 2012 18:00 GMT
#459
On May 20 2012 02:50 Xoronius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2012 02:46 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:
On May 20 2012 02:39 Xoronius wrote:
On May 20 2012 02:37 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:
On May 20 2012 02:20 Dosey wrote:
On May 20 2012 02:19 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
On May 20 2012 02:13 Swords wrote:
On May 20 2012 02:09 michielbrands wrote:
hmz kinda in doubt wether i will pay for today, yesterday i wasn't able to watch..tommorow i am at a barcraft and I don't feel like watching everything currently so kinda useless to pay 20 dollar for that. I wish that I as a season pass holder was able to view all the arena events just 1 stream and perhaps on a lower quality or something this is kinda annoying.



This is my problem with the PPV model MLG uses. Unless my weekend is free enough to see a good portion of the games it really isn't worth $20 to me. I don't want to spend $20 on a day's worth of games because I have stuff on Friday/Sunday when I could just spend the $20 on drinks with friends or seeing a movie or something.


an MLG event is better than at least 95% of the movies hollywood makes and then asks you to spend ~$14 for at most 2.5 hours of entertainment.

Even if you have 5 hours available for a weekend the 5 hours for $20 is a better deal than almost all of the movies made since 2000.

There are a few all time classic movies that are incredible. But, you can download'em for nothin'.

A UEFA Championship is free and offers the same amount of entertainment...

I don't understand your point.


Really? Euro 2012 and/or Champions league is FREE in the US? It sure ain't in Sweden.


Really? Euro´s/World championships in football are always free in germany.


It's really free in Germany? In Sweden it's bought by state TV, thus financed by everyone through taxes. UEFA and FIFA charges huge amounts for the rights to broadcast, I doubt there are many TV channels able to broadcast for free.


Yes sure, it is the same situation, it is financed through taxes, but everyone with a TV has to pay those anyway, so there is no additional prize, which makes me consider them being free. But you´re right, technically everyone pays for them, just like everyone pays for the news, the weather and bad german series.


You guys realize someone has to pay the money to UEFA, right? If it is state TV buying the event, we all pay it through taxes. If the state does not buy the broadcasting rights, we pay less in taxes but have to buy the event for our own money. In either case we're paying.
FreudianTrip
Profile Joined July 2011
Switzerland1983 Posts
May 19 2012 18:00 GMT
#460
God this analysis is awful. From Wheat and TB and now Rob Simpson? The whole point of an analysis desk is to get some analysis, get some pros or at least someone who is Masters league there.

I like what all 3 bring but it isn't analysis.
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