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zerglingrodeo
Profile Joined September 2010
United States910 Posts
May 20 2012 08:50 GMT
#4141
The play so far might now be incredible, but it is very promising.
"This is how philosophers should salute one another: 'Take your time!'' - Wittgenstein
jubil
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2602 Posts
May 20 2012 08:51 GMT
#4142
I'm actually a little glad that Jaedong and Flash lost today. Hopefully it'll spark their competative drive to practice and innovate even more to excel at this new challenge; and we'll end up seeing a new level of gameplay in sc2
Marineking-Polt-Maru-Fantasy-Solar-Xenocider-Suppy fighting!
Stanlot
Profile Joined December 2010
United States5742 Posts
May 20 2012 08:52 GMT
#4143
On May 20 2012 17:44 Kiett wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2012 17:42 Seiferz wrote:
On May 20 2012 17:40 WniO wrote:
On May 20 2012 17:39 Angra wrote:
I don't watch much SC2.. are most games decided like that in 1 engagement? Pretty boring :/

a lot of them are, but these bw players play a lot more passive than usual, but it depends on the matchup. tvz is almost always pressure non stop, where zvp is timing based and trading armies.


if you watch GSL its a lot more dynamic. watching this is like watching sc2 half a year ago.

I dunno. Half a year ago, I watched DRG and MMA face off on Shakuras in one of the best games in SC2 history :>

The tactical play seems far less mature than the current SC2 pro level but their slick mechanics help them mask that lack of tactical knowledge well. It seems more like the games of early to mid 2011 to me, where little mistakes here and there snowballs into a huge advantage for one player, rather than the games of today where they're more proactive about constantly getting in each others' faces and not allowing them to get an uncontested advantage. SC2 is a faster paced game where a small mistake can be a game ending one. BW pros will need time to adapt to that.
MC: "Sentry Forcefield Forcefield Marauder... cage Marauder die die"
EnderCraft
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1746 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-20 08:56:27
May 20 2012 08:52 GMT
#4144
On May 20 2012 17:46 nastyyy wrote:
ZvP just hurts to watch sometimes. Effort played pretty damn well in my opinion. All the Protoss did is just walk up before Effort gets Broodlords out.

Oh so he should have just waited for brood lords to get out so he could lose huh?

edit: Against what Lizzy was doing, waiting for brood lords would never have worked. The blink stalker, sentry, immortal ball will ALWAYS hit before brood lords are out unless the Zerg hits the third and actually does some damage. PvZ is all about combating the economic capability of Zerg. Taking a fast third is one of the more viable and economical ways of dealing with it. You just need to be wary of an imminent attack because the Zerg is almost always going to be behind if they let the Toss get on three base saturation.
SC:BW has a higher skill ceiling than SC2? SC 64 is where it's at brah.
Sinedd
Profile Joined July 2008
Poland7052 Posts
May 20 2012 08:52 GMT
#4145
ace should be bw

just sayin
T H C makes ppl happy
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
May 20 2012 08:53 GMT
#4146
On May 20 2012 17:52 EnderCraft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2012 17:46 nastyyy wrote:
ZvP just hurts to watch sometimes. Effort played pretty damn well in my opinion. All the Protoss did is just walk up before Effort gets Broodlords out.

Oh so he should have just waited for brood lords to get out so he could lose huh?

It was just them not knowing timings and stuff like that that takes more than a couple months to pick up.
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
May 20 2012 08:53 GMT
#4147
On May 20 2012 17:49 scintilliaSD wrote:
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On May 20 2012 17:45 Fionn wrote:
Only halfway done. Next Firebathero's ACE vs. Stork's KHAN and then Soulkey and Zero's Stars vs. STX Soul.

STX SouL looks so lonely. No love for Bogus or Calm?


STX to me is a team with no stars, but with strong pieces to make a good team. Calm, Bogus, Dear, Mini, Last.
Writerhttps://twitter.com/FionnOnFire
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50586 Posts
May 20 2012 08:53 GMT
#4148
On May 20 2012 17:49 shadymmj wrote:
got to focus on that final OSL flash, fuck sc2 for now


this!
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
las91
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States5080 Posts
May 20 2012 08:54 GMT
#4149
On May 20 2012 17:52 EnderCraft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2012 17:46 nastyyy wrote:
ZvP just hurts to watch sometimes. Effort played pretty damn well in my opinion. All the Protoss did is just walk up before Effort gets Broodlords out.

Oh so he should have just waited for brood lords to get out so he could lose huh?


He saw the hive timing and punished a low infestor count/wasted infestor energy. What should he have done exactly?
In Inca we trust
hewley
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany1063 Posts
May 20 2012 08:55 GMT
#4150
Fuck me, I overslept. -,- Was Fantasy - Jaehoon good?
Esports bubble pop, bubble pop
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
May 20 2012 08:55 GMT
#4151
On May 20 2012 17:55 hewley wrote:
Fuck me, I overslept. -,- Was Fantasy - Jaehoon good?


Fantasy decimated him, if you find a complete stomp good then yes, otherwise no.
ragnorr
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark6097 Posts
May 20 2012 08:55 GMT
#4152
On May 20 2012 17:52 Sinedd wrote:
ace should be bw

just sayin

Aint it rotating?
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
May 20 2012 08:55 GMT
#4153
Today, we saw Jaedong and Flash play SC 2.

The final piece of the puzzle is Stork.
Alphaes
Profile Joined April 2010
United States651 Posts
May 20 2012 08:56 GMT
#4154
4-0
1-2
0-3

I hope this one-sided SC2 stomp trend doesn't continue for tonight.
What this
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50586 Posts
May 20 2012 08:56 GMT
#4155
On May 20 2012 17:55 hewley wrote:
Fuck me, I overslept. -,- Was Fantasy - Jaehoon good?


it was good onesided match.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
Dosey
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4505 Posts
May 20 2012 08:56 GMT
#4156
On May 20 2012 17:52 Sinedd wrote:
ace should be bw

just sayin


To see who is the best skill wise... I'd have to agree. But they are trying to ween the pros into SC2 so they have to put emphasis on that. Will make for some coin flippy ace matches but I guess that's the price to be paid for this type of transition. :/
fraktoasters
Profile Joined January 2011
United States617 Posts
May 20 2012 08:56 GMT
#4157
On May 20 2012 17:52 EnderCraft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2012 17:46 nastyyy wrote:
ZvP just hurts to watch sometimes. Effort played pretty damn well in my opinion. All the Protoss did is just walk up before Effort gets Broodlords out.

Oh so he should have just waited for brood lords to get out so he could lose huh?


These players weren't playing that well.. can't you guys keep the balance talk out of anything?
Inflicted
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia18228 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-20 08:57:34
May 20 2012 08:56 GMT
#4158
On May 20 2012 17:50 Azarkon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2012 17:47 Inflicted_ wrote:
On May 20 2012 17:45 Azarkon wrote:
On May 20 2012 17:42 Seiferz wrote:
On May 20 2012 17:40 WniO wrote:
On May 20 2012 17:39 Angra wrote:
I don't watch much SC2.. are most games decided like that in 1 engagement? Pretty boring :/

a lot of them are, but these bw players play a lot more passive than usual, but it depends on the matchup. tvz is almost always pressure non stop, where zvp is timing based and trading armies.


if you watch GSL its a lot more dynamic. watching this is like watching sc2 half a year ago.


In GSL you prepare for a specific player. Here you have to prepare.for the match up as a whole - you don't know who you're playing.

Watch MC in MLGs. He plays the same styles as Lizzy, which I think is where Lizzy took his builds from.


MC is a more good macro -> deathball style though. He doesn't play that turtle-y, but doesn't go for small armies with multiprong attacks etc.


Lizzy didn't go for multiprong attacks.

MC's style these days, when he's not two basing, is to immortal expand and then to push out at a decent timing on three bases. He did it vs. Stephano today.


Was referring how he said in the GSL, it was more dynamic and less "decided in 1 engagement".
Wouldn't watch MC if you want multi-prong harassment and constant attacks/aggression.
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Angra
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States2652 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-20 08:57:34
May 20 2012 08:56 GMT
#4159
On May 20 2012 17:53 Fionn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2012 17:49 scintilliaSD wrote:
On May 20 2012 17:45 Fionn wrote:
Only halfway done. Next Firebathero's ACE vs. Stork's KHAN and then Soulkey and Zero's Stars vs. STX Soul.

STX SouL looks so lonely. No love for Bogus or Calm?


STX to me is a team with no stars, but with strong pieces to make a good team. Calm, Bogus, Dear, Mini, Last.


If only Hwasin and Kal were still there. Sigh. The two reasons STX used to be one of my favorite teams.
Frostlone
Profile Joined February 2012
Australia75 Posts
May 20 2012 08:58 GMT
#4160
The high level of play is not whats going to happen this season. Maybe the games will get better later on but don't expect much. Just enjoy BW players playing sc2
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