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On May 20 2012 01:19 MVTaylor wrote:Just finished watching the VODs as I slept through the finas (damn you MLG!) *THE* moment on game 5 was nuts, completely crazy to see and as for the intensity of game 7, immense. Listening to MVP speaking afterwards about his parents and such there really is no doubt, he deserves that fourth GSL, what a champion. + Show Spoiler +On May 20 2012 00:51 Asvhald wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2012 20:41 Blazinghand wrote:On May 19 2012 20:39 Lightspeaker wrote:
I'm actually not all that unhappy with the principle of MVP getting a fourth championship because he's a great player. But it seriously bugs me when I see constant Terran whining in light of that kind of record. Honestly, Terran is the best race, and our GSL results prove it. If I were a zerg or protoss player I'd seriously consider switching to Terran. As a Terran player I need not do any considering :D This. Sir, I commend you for not being a fanboy (unlike me, probably) and for acknowledging cold hard facts. There is an old saying about football (soccer), which states "Football is a game, played 11 versus 11, where, in the end, Germany always wins". I think a similar saying could be coined about SC2: "Starcraft 2 is a game, played 1 versus 1, where, in the end, Terran always wins". I don't want to say this or that is OP, (insert balance whine here), yadda yadda. I honestly don't know where the answer lies anymore. Why the race I dislike the most (not by default. In the beta, I thought Zerg were OP and thus, rooted for Terran against them all the time. Then the tides changed, GSL came, and my "disliked" race became Terran) always seems to win, while the one that I root for (fell in love with Protoss playing the SC1 campaign back in the day), mostly, can't win for jack shit. Me and my friends used to purchase GSL tickets for every season, from Open Season 3 up until the GomTvT era, where we got pissed off and tired of the Terran domination, and decided not to watch it further. I personally would watch games here and there, from other tournaments, up until IEM Cologne finals between MC and Puma (which IMHO constituted the greatest bullshit I've ever seen in esports, inspired that one writing by tree.hugger). Then I decided this game wasn't worth watching anymore for me so, from then on, I would just check this site's LR treads (my heart goes out to all people who LR, you guys are so selfless and awesome) and check the day's results. Now, I think I will stop doing that too. LRs are still as good as they come, but lately I feel an ever increasing need to throw up every time I get to read Terran fans bashing Protoss non-stop, even as they keep winning an astounding majority of the stuff. Really? I know every race's fans get to complain. Zerg, Protoss, Terran, no one is different in that regard. Personally, I don't mind a race's complaints, be them fair or not, when the race is suffering. I may or may not agree with the Zerg complaints this GSL, just to state an example, but I recognize things have been hard for them (0 members of your race in the Ro8 GSL is a spot no one wants to be in). But Terran fans bashing protoss with sledgehammers as they win their 8th GSL title (let's recall, MVP has 4, MMA has 2, Polt and Jjakji have 1 each) while those OP tosses have a staggering number amounting to 1/4th of those wins, just makes me sick. It reminds me of those old movies portraying the Roman age (warning: analogy is not meant to be literal), where a big crowd cheers and laughs as a few Christians get eaten by lions. It makes me so sad, how I game I used to love watching and following has turned into this bit by bit, for me. I'm not anyone special, a random nobody here, but I'm inclined to think more people can relate their feelings today to mine own. I think, perhaps, all non-Terran players should switch to Terran, so it will be TvT forever, and we get rid of this beating of a dead horse, there being no horse left to beat. Me, I think I'll stick to Dota 2 tournaments from now on, and leave this game to those who still have something to cheer for. Goodbye and have fun all, from a sad random Protoss supporter. PS: Love a good martyrdom ban, so brave~~~~
What? I don't want to be banned, nor am I "lolol terran op inb4 ban" posting, I think. I just wanted to share my accumulated feelings as a Protoss fan today, not bash anyone :O.
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I don't like how Gomtv has the runner up standing next to the winner. Sometimes the loser just wants to sit in his booth to collect his thoughts.
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On May 20 2012 01:01 Sroobz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2012 00:51 Asvhald wrote:On May 19 2012 20:41 Blazinghand wrote:On May 19 2012 20:39 Lightspeaker wrote:
I'm actually not all that unhappy with the principle of MVP getting a fourth championship because he's a great player. But it seriously bugs me when I see constant Terran whining in light of that kind of record. Honestly, Terran is the best race, and our GSL results prove it. If I were a zerg or protoss player I'd seriously consider switching to Terran. As a Terran player I need not do any considering :D This. Sir, I commend you for not being a fanboy (unlike me, probably) and for acknowledging cold hard facts. There is an old saying about football (soccer), which states "Football is a game, played 11 versus 11, where, in the end, Germany always wins". I think a similar saying could be coined about SC2: "Starcraft 2 is a game, played 1 versus 1, where, in the end, Terran always wins". I don't want to say this or that is OP, (insert balance whine here), yadda yadda. I honestly don't know where the answer lies anymore. Why the race I dislike the most (not by default. In the beta, I thought Zerg were OP and thus, rooted for Terran against them all the time. Then the tides changed, GSL came, and my "disliked" race became Terran) always seems to win, while the one that I root for (fell in love with Protoss playing the SC1 campaign back in the day), mostly, can't win for jack shit. Me and my friends used to purchase GSL tickets for every season, from Open Season 3 up until the GomTvT era, where we got pissed off and tired of the Terran domination, and decided not to watch it further. I personally would watch games here and there, from other tournaments, up until IEM Cologne finals between MC and Puma (which IMHO constituted the greatest bullshit I've ever seen in esports, inspired that one writing by tree.hugger). Then I decided this game wasn't worth watching anymore for me so, from then on, I would just check this site's LR treads (my heart goes out to all people who LR, you guys are so selfless and awesome) and check the day's results. Now, I think I will stop doing that too. LRs are still as good as they come, but lately I feel an ever increasing need to throw up every time I get to read Terran fans bashing Protoss non-stop, even as they keep winning an astounding majority of the stuff. Really? I know every race's fans get to complain. Zerg, Protoss, Terran, no one is different in that regard. Personally, I don't mind a race's complaints, be them fair or not, when the race is suffering. I may or may not agree with the Zerg complaints this GSL, just to state an example, but I recognize things have been hard for them (0 members of your race in the Ro8 GSL is a spot no one wants to be in). But Terran fans bashing protoss with sledgehammers as they win their 8th GSL title (let's recall, MVP has 4, MMA has 2, Polt and Jjakji have 1 each) while those OP tosses have a staggering number amounting to 1/4th of those wins, just makes me sick. It reminds me of those old movies portraying the Roman age (warning: analogy is not meant to be literal), where a big crowd cheers and laughs as a few Christians get eaten by lions. It makes me so sad, how I game I used to love watching and following has turned into this bit by bit, for me. I'm not anyone special, a random nobody here, but I'm inclined to think more people can relate their feelings today to mine own. I think, perhaps, all non-Terran players should switch to Terran, so it will be TvT forever, and we get rid of this beating of a dead horse, there being no horse left to beat. Me, I think I'll stick to Dota 2 tournaments from now on, and leave this game to those who still have something to cheer for. Goodbye and have fun all, from a sad random Protoss supporter. But Mvp and MMA are FAR better than all the Protoss players out there...stop being so close minded.
Oh the irony.
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Grats to MVP and big thanks to both players for putting on a great series.
As to the balance whine (TvP or PvT)....it's a must in any tournament report i guess.
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I don't even like watching TvP but I really felt that this was a fantastic series. Glad I stayed up for it, the last game especially was so fucking tense, I thought MVP was done when his first push got repelled.
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On May 20 2012 01:30 Hakanfrog wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2012 01:01 Sroobz wrote:On May 20 2012 00:51 Asvhald wrote:On May 19 2012 20:41 Blazinghand wrote:On May 19 2012 20:39 Lightspeaker wrote:
I'm actually not all that unhappy with the principle of MVP getting a fourth championship because he's a great player. But it seriously bugs me when I see constant Terran whining in light of that kind of record. Honestly, Terran is the best race, and our GSL results prove it. If I were a zerg or protoss player I'd seriously consider switching to Terran. As a Terran player I need not do any considering :D This. Sir, I commend you for not being a fanboy (unlike me, probably) and for acknowledging cold hard facts. There is an old saying about football (soccer), which states "Football is a game, played 11 versus 11, where, in the end, Germany always wins". I think a similar saying could be coined about SC2: "Starcraft 2 is a game, played 1 versus 1, where, in the end, Terran always wins". I don't want to say this or that is OP, (insert balance whine here), yadda yadda. I honestly don't know where the answer lies anymore. Why the race I dislike the most (not by default. In the beta, I thought Zerg were OP and thus, rooted for Terran against them all the time. Then the tides changed, GSL came, and my "disliked" race became Terran) always seems to win, while the one that I root for (fell in love with Protoss playing the SC1 campaign back in the day), mostly, can't win for jack shit. Me and my friends used to purchase GSL tickets for every season, from Open Season 3 up until the GomTvT era, where we got pissed off and tired of the Terran domination, and decided not to watch it further. I personally would watch games here and there, from other tournaments, up until IEM Cologne finals between MC and Puma (which IMHO constituted the greatest bullshit I've ever seen in esports, inspired that one writing by tree.hugger). Then I decided this game wasn't worth watching anymore for me so, from then on, I would just check this site's LR treads (my heart goes out to all people who LR, you guys are so selfless and awesome) and check the day's results. Now, I think I will stop doing that too. LRs are still as good as they come, but lately I feel an ever increasing need to throw up every time I get to read Terran fans bashing Protoss non-stop, even as they keep winning an astounding majority of the stuff. Really? I know every race's fans get to complain. Zerg, Protoss, Terran, no one is different in that regard. Personally, I don't mind a race's complaints, be them fair or not, when the race is suffering. I may or may not agree with the Zerg complaints this GSL, just to state an example, but I recognize things have been hard for them (0 members of your race in the Ro8 GSL is a spot no one wants to be in). But Terran fans bashing protoss with sledgehammers as they win their 8th GSL title (let's recall, MVP has 4, MMA has 2, Polt and Jjakji have 1 each) while those OP tosses have a staggering number amounting to 1/4th of those wins, just makes me sick. It reminds me of those old movies portraying the Roman age (warning: analogy is not meant to be literal), where a big crowd cheers and laughs as a few Christians get eaten by lions. It makes me so sad, how I game I used to love watching and following has turned into this bit by bit, for me. I'm not anyone special, a random nobody here, but I'm inclined to think more people can relate their feelings today to mine own. I think, perhaps, all non-Terran players should switch to Terran, so it will be TvT forever, and we get rid of this beating of a dead horse, there being no horse left to beat. Me, I think I'll stick to Dota 2 tournaments from now on, and leave this game to those who still have something to cheer for. Goodbye and have fun all, from a sad random Protoss supporter. But Mvp and MMA are FAR better than all the Protoss players out there...stop being so close minded. Oh the irony.
oh the 4 gsl championship wins. mvp's proved his mettle
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A lot of in Semi/Quarter finals though.
No Z at all.
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Does anyone know the song played when MVP won?
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I just finished watching the VODs.
I can't comprehend how some of you manage to take such a wonderful, eventful series (perhaps the greatest in sc2 to this date?) and degenerate to stupid balance whining. If you couldn't enjoy that series for what it was; a clash of two fantastically skilled starcraft professionals, then you might as well just quit following the damn scene.
I haven't felt so emotionally attached to any series in sc2 like I did this one, it was truly remarkable. I feel incredibly sorry for those who couldn't look past their own perceptions of balance and just enjoy it, because you seriously missed out.
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On May 20 2012 01:58 MegaFonzie wrote:
I just finished watching the VODs.
I can't comprehend how some of you manage to take such a wonderful, eventful series (perhaps the greatest in sc2 to this date?) and degenerate to stupid balance whining. If you couldn't enjoy that series for what it was; a clash of two fantastically skilled starcraft professionals, then you might as well just quit following the damn scene.
I haven't felt so emotionally attached to any series in sc2 like I did this one, it was truly remarkable. I feel incredibly sorry for those who couldn't look past their own perceptions of balance and just enjoy it, because you seriously missed out.
Missed what ?? are you blind man ?? in last game he didnt even micro scv , he lost them all and still win that , when he shouldn't .
Today Squirtle play better but he dont play Terran thats all .
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Squirtle's going to be around Code S/A for awhile. He's good enough. I think he's got what it takes among the various Protoss contenders to be the best!
MVP deserved that. The game was so exciting, game seven. Like a boxer deciding to go all out in the first round, using up all his wind, swinging like Tyson.
Got a couple of points:
1. The GSL champion's race isn't all that reliable an indicator of the strongest race at the moment, though it does mean something. Zerg was not the strongest race the first two seasons, despite Dealer and Tea.
2. Terran having the most championships, means that T has been the strongest race historically, over a period of almost two years. It doesn't mean it's the strongest race right now at this instant moment.
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On May 20 2012 02:04 bkp wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2012 01:58 MegaFonzie wrote:
I just finished watching the VODs.
I can't comprehend how some of you manage to take such a wonderful, eventful series (perhaps the greatest in sc2 to this date?) and degenerate to stupid balance whining. If you couldn't enjoy that series for what it was; a clash of two fantastically skilled starcraft professionals, then you might as well just quit following the damn scene.
I haven't felt so emotionally attached to any series in sc2 like I did this one, it was truly remarkable. I feel incredibly sorry for those who couldn't look past their own perceptions of balance and just enjoy it, because you seriously missed out. Missed what ?? are you blind man ?? in last game he didnt even micro scv , he lost them all and still win that , when he shouldn't . Today Squirtle play better but he dont play Terran thats all .
Please. For your own good do not watch any SC2 ever again. If you could not appreciate that series then you cannot call yourself a fan of starcraft...
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I can't believe there's balance whining here! This was an amazing finals with some great games and possibly the best moment ever in any SC2 game played yet (you know which moment I'm talking about).
The final game really came down to micro and don't forget that Squirtle over-extended and lost stalkers - it wasn't a clear or easy win for MVP at all. Also don't forget those mistakes Squirtle made in his first games, either.
This is definitely my favorite GSL finals ever. Thank you to MVP showing that skill > race, skill > luck, skill > all in SC2.
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I've never felt such strong emotions watching Starcraft as I did in game 7. Only game that comes close is last game between Thorzain/Naniwa in TSL3, mostly due to Day9's solo casting. Incredible series, SC2 rocks!!!!
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Poll: Best game of all timeGame 5 Squirtle MVP (29) 49% Game 5 Nestea SC (16) 27% Game 7 DRG MMA (14) 24% 59 total votes Your vote: Best game of all time (Vote): Game 5 Nestea SC
(Vote): Game 5 Squirtle MVP
(Vote): Game 7 DRG MMA
Poll: Best Series of all TimeSquirtle MVP (29) 60% DRG MMA(Blizzard Cup) (13) 27% Jjajki Leenock (2) 4% (2) 4% Kiwikaki Stephano(IPL) (1) 2% Morrow-Kiwikaki (SCRI) (1) 2% Leenock MVP (0) 0% 48 total votes Your vote: Best Series of all Time (Vote): Squirtle MVP
(Vote): DRG MMA(Blizzard Cup)
(Vote): Kiwikaki Stephano(IPL)
(Vote): Morrow-Kiwikaki (SCRI)
(Vote): Leenock MVP
(Vote): Jjajki Leenock
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On May 20 2012 02:08 NexUmbra wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2012 02:04 bkp wrote:On May 20 2012 01:58 MegaFonzie wrote:
I just finished watching the VODs.
I can't comprehend how some of you manage to take such a wonderful, eventful series (perhaps the greatest in sc2 to this date?) and degenerate to stupid balance whining. If you couldn't enjoy that series for what it was; a clash of two fantastically skilled starcraft professionals, then you might as well just quit following the damn scene.
I haven't felt so emotionally attached to any series in sc2 like I did this one, it was truly remarkable. I feel incredibly sorry for those who couldn't look past their own perceptions of balance and just enjoy it, because you seriously missed out. Missed what ?? are you blind man ?? in last game he didnt even micro scv , he lost them all and still win that , when he shouldn't . Today Squirtle play better but he dont play Terran thats all . Please. For your own good do not watch any SC2 ever again. If you could not appreciate that series then you cannot call yourself a fan of starcraft...
This please. Seriously can't believe that can be a valid sentiment.
By the way you probably shouldn't watch DotA or LoL either if you think anything's imbalanced.
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On May 20 2012 02:36 boxturtle wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2012 02:08 NexUmbra wrote:On May 20 2012 02:04 bkp wrote:On May 20 2012 01:58 MegaFonzie wrote:
I just finished watching the VODs.
I can't comprehend how some of you manage to take such a wonderful, eventful series (perhaps the greatest in sc2 to this date?) and degenerate to stupid balance whining. If you couldn't enjoy that series for what it was; a clash of two fantastically skilled starcraft professionals, then you might as well just quit following the damn scene.
I haven't felt so emotionally attached to any series in sc2 like I did this one, it was truly remarkable. I feel incredibly sorry for those who couldn't look past their own perceptions of balance and just enjoy it, because you seriously missed out. Missed what ?? are you blind man ?? in last game he didnt even micro scv , he lost them all and still win that , when he shouldn't . Today Squirtle play better but he dont play Terran thats all . Please. For your own good do not watch any SC2 ever again. If you could not appreciate that series then you cannot call yourself a fan of starcraft... This please. Seriously can't believe that can be a valid sentiment. By the way you probably shouldn't watch DotA or LoL either if you think anything's imbalanced.
Yes i care a lot , about your advice mr.bronze .
User was warned for this post
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OMFG never doubt the heart of the champion hahahaha!!! MVP is too fucking good and so is Squirtle, grazt to both for the best GSL final ever in the history!!!
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On May 20 2012 02:24 Pandain wrote:Poll: Best game of all timeGame 5 Squirtle MVP (29) 49% Game 5 Nestea SC (16) 27% Game 7 DRG MMA (14) 24% 59 total votes Your vote: Best game of all time (Vote): Game 5 Nestea SC
(Vote): Game 5 Squirtle MVP
(Vote): Game 7 DRG MMA
Poll: Best Series of all TimeSquirtle MVP (29) 60% DRG MMA(Blizzard Cup) (13) 27% Jjajki Leenock (2) 4% (2) 4% Kiwikaki Stephano(IPL) (1) 2% Morrow-Kiwikaki (SCRI) (1) 2% Leenock MVP (0) 0% 48 total votes Your vote: Best Series of all Time (Vote): Squirtle MVP
(Vote): DRG MMA(Blizzard Cup)
(Vote): Kiwikaki Stephano(IPL)
(Vote): Morrow-Kiwikaki (SCRI)
(Vote): Leenock MVP
(Vote): Jjajki Leenock
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Game 7 DRG MMA was annoying because shak plat isn't very good for Z ;p
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On May 20 2012 01:25 Asvhald wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2012 01:19 MVTaylor wrote:Just finished watching the VODs as I slept through the finas (damn you MLG!) *THE* moment on game 5 was nuts, completely crazy to see and as for the intensity of game 7, immense. Listening to MVP speaking afterwards about his parents and such there really is no doubt, he deserves that fourth GSL, what a champion. + Show Spoiler +On May 20 2012 00:51 Asvhald wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2012 20:41 Blazinghand wrote:On May 19 2012 20:39 Lightspeaker wrote:
I'm actually not all that unhappy with the principle of MVP getting a fourth championship because he's a great player. But it seriously bugs me when I see constant Terran whining in light of that kind of record. Honestly, Terran is the best race, and our GSL results prove it. If I were a zerg or protoss player I'd seriously consider switching to Terran. As a Terran player I need not do any considering :D This. Sir, I commend you for not being a fanboy (unlike me, probably) and for acknowledging cold hard facts. There is an old saying about football (soccer), which states "Football is a game, played 11 versus 11, where, in the end, Germany always wins". I think a similar saying could be coined about SC2: "Starcraft 2 is a game, played 1 versus 1, where, in the end, Terran always wins". I don't want to say this or that is OP, (insert balance whine here), yadda yadda. I honestly don't know where the answer lies anymore. Why the race I dislike the most (not by default. In the beta, I thought Zerg were OP and thus, rooted for Terran against them all the time. Then the tides changed, GSL came, and my "disliked" race became Terran) always seems to win, while the one that I root for (fell in love with Protoss playing the SC1 campaign back in the day), mostly, can't win for jack shit. Me and my friends used to purchase GSL tickets for every season, from Open Season 3 up until the GomTvT era, where we got pissed off and tired of the Terran domination, and decided not to watch it further. I personally would watch games here and there, from other tournaments, up until IEM Cologne finals between MC and Puma (which IMHO constituted the greatest bullshit I've ever seen in esports, inspired that one writing by tree.hugger). Then I decided this game wasn't worth watching anymore for me so, from then on, I would just check this site's LR treads (my heart goes out to all people who LR, you guys are so selfless and awesome) and check the day's results. Now, I think I will stop doing that too. LRs are still as good as they come, but lately I feel an ever increasing need to throw up every time I get to read Terran fans bashing Protoss non-stop, even as they keep winning an astounding majority of the stuff. Really? I know every race's fans get to complain. Zerg, Protoss, Terran, no one is different in that regard. Personally, I don't mind a race's complaints, be them fair or not, when the race is suffering. I may or may not agree with the Zerg complaints this GSL, just to state an example, but I recognize things have been hard for them (0 members of your race in the Ro8 GSL is a spot no one wants to be in). But Terran fans bashing protoss with sledgehammers as they win their 8th GSL title (let's recall, MVP has 4, MMA has 2, Polt and Jjakji have 1 each) while those OP tosses have a staggering number amounting to 1/4th of those wins, just makes me sick. It reminds me of those old movies portraying the Roman age (warning: analogy is not meant to be literal), where a big crowd cheers and laughs as a few Christians get eaten by lions. It makes me so sad, how I game I used to love watching and following has turned into this bit by bit, for me. I'm not anyone special, a random nobody here, but I'm inclined to think more people can relate their feelings today to mine own. I think, perhaps, all non-Terran players should switch to Terran, so it will be TvT forever, and we get rid of this beating of a dead horse, there being no horse left to beat. Me, I think I'll stick to Dota 2 tournaments from now on, and leave this game to those who still have something to cheer for. Goodbye and have fun all, from a sad random Protoss supporter. PS: Love a good martyrdom ban, so brave~~~~ What? I don't want to be banned, nor am I "lolol terran op inb4 ban" posting, I think. I just wanted to share my accumulated feelings as a Protoss fan today, not bash anyone :O.
Why haven't you left the LR thread hours ago? If the LR thread makes you mad, leave.
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