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On May 03 2012 05:18 Xoronius wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 05:11 sVnteen wrote:On May 03 2012 04:12 TheDougler wrote:On May 02 2012 16:12 Falconblade wrote:
I love Machine, but why toss him out over Demuslim/HuK? Dunno about Demuslim, but HuK doesn't play cross server. honestly... i think that machine has better chances vs mana since mana still sometimes struggles with his pvz and he is just awesome in pvt also demu is really overhyped imo... he doesn't have any real results and his play is sometimes really weird + TvP is by far Demuslims worst MU. I don´t know much about Machines recent skill-level, but if ZvP is his best MU, he should have a better shot against MaNa. I mean MaNa is top-10 in international vT Elo (above MMA, MC, Nestea, Ryung [Which does not mean, he is better than them in this MU - but it does mean smth.]), while he is under 2000 vZ-Elo.
Still, the only series against known players Machine has won in ZvP in over a year were against Nony and incontrol.
MaNa has a better win percentage in his worst matchup than Machine in his best and he plays much better opponents in general.
I don't see a way for Machine to win this.
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On May 03 2012 05:27 StarVe wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 05:18 Xoronius wrote:On May 03 2012 05:11 sVnteen wrote:On May 03 2012 04:12 TheDougler wrote:On May 02 2012 16:12 Falconblade wrote:
I love Machine, but why toss him out over Demuslim/HuK? Dunno about Demuslim, but HuK doesn't play cross server. honestly... i think that machine has better chances vs mana since mana still sometimes struggles with his pvz and he is just awesome in pvt also demu is really overhyped imo... he doesn't have any real results and his play is sometimes really weird + TvP is by far Demuslims worst MU. I don´t know much about Machines recent skill-level, but if ZvP is his best MU, he should have a better shot against MaNa. I mean MaNa is top-10 in international vT Elo (above MMA, MC, Nestea, Ryung [Which does not mean, he is better than them in this MU - but it does mean smth.]), while he is under 2000 vZ-Elo. Still, the only series against known players Machine has won in ZvP in over a year were against Nony and incontrol. MaNa has a better win percentage in his worst matchup than Machine in his best and he plays much better opponents in general. I don't see a way for Machine to win this.
The difference between Machines and Demuslims winrates against P are not that high, so avoiding the much scarier MU seems to be the right choice. I don´t see high chances for Machine either, but I think, they are still higher than Demuslims. But I am rooting for MaNa in both cases, so it does not make that much of a difference for me.
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Depending on how idra plays and if mana has improved his pvz, this could go to ace or be a 4-0 either way, looks like there could be some great games played here.
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On May 03 2012 04:05 zedi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 03:59 Xoronius wrote:On May 03 2012 03:19 zedi wrote:On May 03 2012 02:48 CosmicSpiral wrote:On May 03 2012 02:44 ssg wrote:On May 03 2012 02:34 Choboo wrote:On May 03 2012 02:22 zedi wrote:
IdrA > Bigs (How do you see bigs winning?)
Mana > Machine
Puma > Morrow
Thorzain > JYP
3-2 to Mouz. because he's a better player overall? anything couldappen in zvz tho so i wouldn't count idra out just yet Bigs is a better player than Idra overall? LOL ...I'm guessing you don't have proof that Idra is better and are hoping your hearty laughs obscure the fact. The burden of proof here kinda is on the other side >_< (I've never actually heard of this guy and after checking TLPD there's a reason for it...) Funny that you are mentioning TLPD as a reason for never hearing of bigs, when he has about 40 points more than Idra. And like someone above me said, biggs won Gamers Assembly and got second at EPS in 2012. What exactly has Idra done this year? The points are kind of void after you compare their opponents and tournaments against each other. I don't have a single clue about those two tournaments. Those wins aren't on the same level as any of Idra's tournaments, so in my opinion you can't compare them to his showings at all. As I said, he's a fairly unheard of a player which usually means he shouldn't be the favored one.
Yes, you're right, you are pretty clueless! I don't think you follow Starcraft 2 if you never heard of Bigs, Gamer's Assembly or the the EPS, lol. You probably watch Idra's stream a lot though, grats!
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On May 03 2012 04:53 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 04:05 zedi wrote:On May 03 2012 03:59 Xoronius wrote:On May 03 2012 03:19 zedi wrote:On May 03 2012 02:48 CosmicSpiral wrote:On May 03 2012 02:44 ssg wrote:On May 03 2012 02:34 Choboo wrote:On May 03 2012 02:22 zedi wrote:
IdrA > Bigs (How do you see bigs winning?)
Mana > Machine
Puma > Morrow
Thorzain > JYP
3-2 to Mouz. because he's a better player overall? anything couldappen in zvz tho so i wouldn't count idra out just yet Bigs is a better player than Idra overall? LOL ...I'm guessing you don't have proof that Idra is better and are hoping your hearty laughs obscure the fact. The burden of proof here kinda is on the other side >_< (I've never actually heard of this guy and after checking TLPD there's a reason for it...) Funny that you are mentioning TLPD as a reason for never hearing of bigs, when he has about 40 points more than Idra. And like someone above me said, biggs won Gamers Assembly and got second at EPS in 2012. What exactly has Idra done this year? The points are kind of void after you compare their opponents and tournaments against each other. I don't have a single clue about those two tournaments. Those wins aren't on the same level as any of Idra's tournaments, so in my opinion you can't compare them to his showings at all. As I said, he's a fairly unheard of a player which usually means he shouldn't be the favored one. Your argument is "Idra has lost a lot to top-tier koreans and foreigners lately, therefore he should be ranked ahead of someone who has beaten a lot of mid/top-tier foreigners lately." It doesn't take a genius to see that this line of reasoning is illogical. If you're going to favor someone in a match you should have a general idea of their skill levels; popularity will not tell you how good a player is.
My problem is the number of people that rate Europeans to be some huge top-dogs because they win some European-only tournaments, and then they proceed to get knocked out in the first couple of rounds at an MLG or IPL. Or they'll be in pool-play for an NASL or Dreamhack, and get completely dominated by everyone in their group.
It's happened far too often for me to accept European-only tournaments as any kind of reasonable benchmark.
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Mouz will win this pretty easily I think!
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On May 03 2012 06:03 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 04:53 CosmicSpiral wrote:On May 03 2012 04:05 zedi wrote:On May 03 2012 03:59 Xoronius wrote:On May 03 2012 03:19 zedi wrote:On May 03 2012 02:48 CosmicSpiral wrote:On May 03 2012 02:44 ssg wrote:On May 03 2012 02:34 Choboo wrote:On May 03 2012 02:22 zedi wrote:
IdrA > Bigs (How do you see bigs winning?)
Mana > Machine
Puma > Morrow
Thorzain > JYP
3-2 to Mouz. because he's a better player overall? anything couldappen in zvz tho so i wouldn't count idra out just yet Bigs is a better player than Idra overall? LOL ...I'm guessing you don't have proof that Idra is better and are hoping your hearty laughs obscure the fact. The burden of proof here kinda is on the other side >_< (I've never actually heard of this guy and after checking TLPD there's a reason for it...) Funny that you are mentioning TLPD as a reason for never hearing of bigs, when he has about 40 points more than Idra. And like someone above me said, biggs won Gamers Assembly and got second at EPS in 2012. What exactly has Idra done this year? The points are kind of void after you compare their opponents and tournaments against each other. I don't have a single clue about those two tournaments. Those wins aren't on the same level as any of Idra's tournaments, so in my opinion you can't compare them to his showings at all. As I said, he's a fairly unheard of a player which usually means he shouldn't be the favored one. Your argument is "Idra has lost a lot to top-tier koreans and foreigners lately, therefore he should be ranked ahead of someone who has beaten a lot of mid/top-tier foreigners lately." It doesn't take a genius to see that this line of reasoning is illogical. If you're going to favor someone in a match you should have a general idea of their skill levels; popularity will not tell you how good a player is. My problem is the number of people that rate Europeans to be some huge top-dogs because they win some European-only tournaments, and then they proceed to get knocked out in the first couple of rounds at an MLG or IPL. Or they'll be in pool-play for an NASL or Dreamhack, and get completely dominated by everyone in their group. It's happened far too often for me to accept European-only tournaments as any kind of reasonable benchmark.
Like anywhere else, the European scene has a range of tiers when it comes to skill level and matchups. In general the principle holds true that NA < EU < KR in terms of the mean and medium level.
Every foreigner got knocked out at MLG and IPL4 by Koreans. That tells you nothing about the skill level of the losers.
EDIT: Your post makes no sense in relation to Europeans. Out of all foreigners, Europeans consistently do the best at all those events.
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Mouz got very fortunate with the snipe on JYP. I think they'll win 3-1 with either Puma or Idra winning for EG but maybe Puma and Idra can win and Puma take the ace match.
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IdrA and Puma should be able to win.
Mana and JYP should be able to win too.
Ace match should be interesting.
Mouz not fielding HasuObs; EG not fielding HuK (standard except for vs. TL) or DeMusliM. Interesting.
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On May 03 2012 06:03 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 04:53 CosmicSpiral wrote:On May 03 2012 04:05 zedi wrote:On May 03 2012 03:59 Xoronius wrote:On May 03 2012 03:19 zedi wrote:On May 03 2012 02:48 CosmicSpiral wrote:On May 03 2012 02:44 ssg wrote:On May 03 2012 02:34 Choboo wrote:On May 03 2012 02:22 zedi wrote:
IdrA > Bigs (How do you see bigs winning?)
Mana > Machine
Puma > Morrow
Thorzain > JYP
3-2 to Mouz. because he's a better player overall? anything couldappen in zvz tho so i wouldn't count idra out just yet Bigs is a better player than Idra overall? LOL ...I'm guessing you don't have proof that Idra is better and are hoping your hearty laughs obscure the fact. The burden of proof here kinda is on the other side >_< (I've never actually heard of this guy and after checking TLPD there's a reason for it...) Funny that you are mentioning TLPD as a reason for never hearing of bigs, when he has about 40 points more than Idra. And like someone above me said, biggs won Gamers Assembly and got second at EPS in 2012. What exactly has Idra done this year? The points are kind of void after you compare their opponents and tournaments against each other. I don't have a single clue about those two tournaments. Those wins aren't on the same level as any of Idra's tournaments, so in my opinion you can't compare them to his showings at all. As I said, he's a fairly unheard of a player which usually means he shouldn't be the favored one. Your argument is "Idra has lost a lot to top-tier koreans and foreigners lately, therefore he should be ranked ahead of someone who has beaten a lot of mid/top-tier foreigners lately." It doesn't take a genius to see that this line of reasoning is illogical. If you're going to favor someone in a match you should have a general idea of their skill levels; popularity will not tell you how good a player is. My problem is the number of people that rate Europeans to be some huge top-dogs because they win some European-only tournaments, and then they proceed to get knocked out in the first couple of rounds at an MLG or IPL. Or they'll be in pool-play for an NASL or Dreamhack, and get completely dominated by everyone in their group. It's happened far too often for me to accept European-only tournaments as any kind of reasonable benchmark.
Can you name a specific case for that? Because I don´t really remember one. I think "hyped" euros mostly deserve the hype, they got, whereas new potential korean superstars often end up doing nothing, when they fall once (Sage for example).
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On May 03 2012 06:03 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 04:53 CosmicSpiral wrote:On May 03 2012 04:05 zedi wrote:On May 03 2012 03:59 Xoronius wrote:On May 03 2012 03:19 zedi wrote:On May 03 2012 02:48 CosmicSpiral wrote:On May 03 2012 02:44 ssg wrote:On May 03 2012 02:34 Choboo wrote:On May 03 2012 02:22 zedi wrote:
IdrA > Bigs (How do you see bigs winning?)
Mana > Machine
Puma > Morrow
Thorzain > JYP
3-2 to Mouz. because he's a better player overall? anything couldappen in zvz tho so i wouldn't count idra out just yet Bigs is a better player than Idra overall? LOL ...I'm guessing you don't have proof that Idra is better and are hoping your hearty laughs obscure the fact. The burden of proof here kinda is on the other side >_< (I've never actually heard of this guy and after checking TLPD there's a reason for it...) Funny that you are mentioning TLPD as a reason for never hearing of bigs, when he has about 40 points more than Idra. And like someone above me said, biggs won Gamers Assembly and got second at EPS in 2012. What exactly has Idra done this year? The points are kind of void after you compare their opponents and tournaments against each other. I don't have a single clue about those two tournaments. Those wins aren't on the same level as any of Idra's tournaments, so in my opinion you can't compare them to his showings at all. As I said, he's a fairly unheard of a player which usually means he shouldn't be the favored one. Your argument is "Idra has lost a lot to top-tier koreans and foreigners lately, therefore he should be ranked ahead of someone who has beaten a lot of mid/top-tier foreigners lately." It doesn't take a genius to see that this line of reasoning is illogical. If you're going to favor someone in a match you should have a general idea of their skill levels; popularity will not tell you how good a player is. My problem is the number of people that rate Europeans to be some huge top-dogs because they win some European-only tournaments, and then they proceed to get knocked out in the first couple of rounds at an MLG or IPL. Or they'll be in pool-play for an NASL or Dreamhack, and get completely dominated by everyone in their group. It's happened far too often for me to accept European-only tournaments as any kind of reasonable benchmark.
You do realize that Idra has a terrible recent benchmark at those events you mentioned? Nobody said bigs will do well in the very big events. He may just be better than Idra.
Your expectations are just wrong. I hate it when there is a nice upcoming player and he gets called "overhyped" if he doesnt win one oft the next big events (with Koreans).
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On May 03 2012 06:18 Xoronius wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 06:03 WolfintheSheep wrote:On May 03 2012 04:53 CosmicSpiral wrote:On May 03 2012 04:05 zedi wrote:On May 03 2012 03:59 Xoronius wrote:On May 03 2012 03:19 zedi wrote:On May 03 2012 02:48 CosmicSpiral wrote:On May 03 2012 02:44 ssg wrote:On May 03 2012 02:34 Choboo wrote:On May 03 2012 02:22 zedi wrote:
IdrA > Bigs (How do you see bigs winning?)
Mana > Machine
Puma > Morrow
Thorzain > JYP
3-2 to Mouz. because he's a better player overall? anything couldappen in zvz tho so i wouldn't count idra out just yet Bigs is a better player than Idra overall? LOL ...I'm guessing you don't have proof that Idra is better and are hoping your hearty laughs obscure the fact. The burden of proof here kinda is on the other side >_< (I've never actually heard of this guy and after checking TLPD there's a reason for it...) Funny that you are mentioning TLPD as a reason for never hearing of bigs, when he has about 40 points more than Idra. And like someone above me said, biggs won Gamers Assembly and got second at EPS in 2012. What exactly has Idra done this year? The points are kind of void after you compare their opponents and tournaments against each other. I don't have a single clue about those two tournaments. Those wins aren't on the same level as any of Idra's tournaments, so in my opinion you can't compare them to his showings at all. As I said, he's a fairly unheard of a player which usually means he shouldn't be the favored one. Your argument is "Idra has lost a lot to top-tier koreans and foreigners lately, therefore he should be ranked ahead of someone who has beaten a lot of mid/top-tier foreigners lately." It doesn't take a genius to see that this line of reasoning is illogical. If you're going to favor someone in a match you should have a general idea of their skill levels; popularity will not tell you how good a player is. My problem is the number of people that rate Europeans to be some huge top-dogs because they win some European-only tournaments, and then they proceed to get knocked out in the first couple of rounds at an MLG or IPL. Or they'll be in pool-play for an NASL or Dreamhack, and get completely dominated by everyone in their group. It's happened far too often for me to accept European-only tournaments as any kind of reasonable benchmark. Can you name a specific case for that? Because I don´t really remember one. I think "hyped" euros mostly deserve the hype, they got, whereas new potential korean superstars often end up doing nothing, when they fall once (Sage for example).
Players like BeastyQT, Nerchio and Sjow come to mind. Although, I can't say Sjow gets overhyped, just that he's garnered a lot of prize money from European tournaments, and fallen flat in international ones.
Honestly, there's a huge slew of European players that have a ton of 1st place finishes in tournaments that are EU only, but end up in the bottom half at major LANs.
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On May 03 2012 06:29 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 06:18 Xoronius wrote:On May 03 2012 06:03 WolfintheSheep wrote:On May 03 2012 04:53 CosmicSpiral wrote:On May 03 2012 04:05 zedi wrote:On May 03 2012 03:59 Xoronius wrote:On May 03 2012 03:19 zedi wrote:On May 03 2012 02:48 CosmicSpiral wrote:On May 03 2012 02:44 ssg wrote:On May 03 2012 02:34 Choboo wrote:
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because he's a better player overall? anything couldappen in zvz tho so i wouldn't count idra out just yet Bigs is a better player than Idra overall? LOL ...I'm guessing you don't have proof that Idra is better and are hoping your hearty laughs obscure the fact. The burden of proof here kinda is on the other side >_< (I've never actually heard of this guy and after checking TLPD there's a reason for it...) Funny that you are mentioning TLPD as a reason for never hearing of bigs, when he has about 40 points more than Idra. And like someone above me said, biggs won Gamers Assembly and got second at EPS in 2012. What exactly has Idra done this year? The points are kind of void after you compare their opponents and tournaments against each other. I don't have a single clue about those two tournaments. Those wins aren't on the same level as any of Idra's tournaments, so in my opinion you can't compare them to his showings at all. As I said, he's a fairly unheard of a player which usually means he shouldn't be the favored one. Your argument is "Idra has lost a lot to top-tier koreans and foreigners lately, therefore he should be ranked ahead of someone who has beaten a lot of mid/top-tier foreigners lately." It doesn't take a genius to see that this line of reasoning is illogical. If you're going to favor someone in a match you should have a general idea of their skill levels; popularity will not tell you how good a player is. My problem is the number of people that rate Europeans to be some huge top-dogs because they win some European-only tournaments, and then they proceed to get knocked out in the first couple of rounds at an MLG or IPL. Or they'll be in pool-play for an NASL or Dreamhack, and get completely dominated by everyone in their group. It's happened far too often for me to accept European-only tournaments as any kind of reasonable benchmark. Can you name a specific case for that? Because I don´t really remember one. I think "hyped" euros mostly deserve the hype, they got, whereas new potential korean superstars often end up doing nothing, when they fall once (Sage for example). Players like BeastyQT, Nerchio and Sjow come to mind. Although, I can't say Sjow gets overhyped, just that he's garnered a lot of prize money from European tournaments, and fallen flat in international ones. Honestly, there's a huge slew of European players that have a ton of 1st place finishes in tournaments that are EU only, but end up in the bottom half at major LANs.
Hmm, I can´t really agree with that list. Nerchio has narrowly lost a ZvZ against a korean at dreamhack after defeating Naniwa and Hyun. The only IPL he ever attendet, he got second place, he was never in any NASL or MLG. Beasty did not attend any big tournament for ages as well, I think the last one was IEM Cologne, where he lost against Kas and MC, which is nothing to be ashamed of. And Sjow has strong results internationally, he beats most foreigners and loses against the most koreans.
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On May 03 2012 06:43 Xoronius wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 06:29 WolfintheSheep wrote:On May 03 2012 06:18 Xoronius wrote:On May 03 2012 06:03 WolfintheSheep wrote:On May 03 2012 04:53 CosmicSpiral wrote:On May 03 2012 04:05 zedi wrote:On May 03 2012 03:59 Xoronius wrote:On May 03 2012 03:19 zedi wrote:On May 03 2012 02:48 CosmicSpiral wrote:On May 03 2012 02:44 ssg wrote:
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Bigs is a better player than Idra overall? LOL ...I'm guessing you don't have proof that Idra is better and are hoping your hearty laughs obscure the fact. The burden of proof here kinda is on the other side >_< (I've never actually heard of this guy and after checking TLPD there's a reason for it...) Funny that you are mentioning TLPD as a reason for never hearing of bigs, when he has about 40 points more than Idra. And like someone above me said, biggs won Gamers Assembly and got second at EPS in 2012. What exactly has Idra done this year? The points are kind of void after you compare their opponents and tournaments against each other. I don't have a single clue about those two tournaments. Those wins aren't on the same level as any of Idra's tournaments, so in my opinion you can't compare them to his showings at all. As I said, he's a fairly unheard of a player which usually means he shouldn't be the favored one. Your argument is "Idra has lost a lot to top-tier koreans and foreigners lately, therefore he should be ranked ahead of someone who has beaten a lot of mid/top-tier foreigners lately." It doesn't take a genius to see that this line of reasoning is illogical. If you're going to favor someone in a match you should have a general idea of their skill levels; popularity will not tell you how good a player is. My problem is the number of people that rate Europeans to be some huge top-dogs because they win some European-only tournaments, and then they proceed to get knocked out in the first couple of rounds at an MLG or IPL. Or they'll be in pool-play for an NASL or Dreamhack, and get completely dominated by everyone in their group. It's happened far too often for me to accept European-only tournaments as any kind of reasonable benchmark. Can you name a specific case for that? Because I don´t really remember one. I think "hyped" euros mostly deserve the hype, they got, whereas new potential korean superstars often end up doing nothing, when they fall once (Sage for example). Players like BeastyQT, Nerchio and Sjow come to mind. Although, I can't say Sjow gets overhyped, just that he's garnered a lot of prize money from European tournaments, and fallen flat in international ones. Honestly, there's a huge slew of European players that have a ton of 1st place finishes in tournaments that are EU only, but end up in the bottom half at major LANs. Hmm, I can´t really agree with that list. Nerchio has narrowly lost a ZvZ against a korean at dreamhack after defeating Naniwa and Hyun. The only IPL he ever attendet, he got second place, he was never in any NASL or MLG. Beasty did not attend any big tournament for ages as well, I think the last one was IEM Cologne, where he lost against Kas and MC, which is nothing to be ashamed of. And Sjow has strong results internationally, he beats most foreigners and loses against the most koreans.
The last big tournament Beasty was in was WCG.
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On May 03 2012 06:47 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 06:43 Xoronius wrote:On May 03 2012 06:29 WolfintheSheep wrote:On May 03 2012 06:18 Xoronius wrote:On May 03 2012 06:03 WolfintheSheep wrote:On May 03 2012 04:53 CosmicSpiral wrote:On May 03 2012 04:05 zedi wrote:On May 03 2012 03:59 Xoronius wrote:On May 03 2012 03:19 zedi wrote:On May 03 2012 02:48 CosmicSpiral wrote:
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...I'm guessing you don't have proof that Idra is better and are hoping your hearty laughs obscure the fact. The burden of proof here kinda is on the other side >_< (I've never actually heard of this guy and after checking TLPD there's a reason for it...) Funny that you are mentioning TLPD as a reason for never hearing of bigs, when he has about 40 points more than Idra. And like someone above me said, biggs won Gamers Assembly and got second at EPS in 2012. What exactly has Idra done this year? The points are kind of void after you compare their opponents and tournaments against each other. I don't have a single clue about those two tournaments. Those wins aren't on the same level as any of Idra's tournaments, so in my opinion you can't compare them to his showings at all. As I said, he's a fairly unheard of a player which usually means he shouldn't be the favored one. Your argument is "Idra has lost a lot to top-tier koreans and foreigners lately, therefore he should be ranked ahead of someone who has beaten a lot of mid/top-tier foreigners lately." It doesn't take a genius to see that this line of reasoning is illogical. If you're going to favor someone in a match you should have a general idea of their skill levels; popularity will not tell you how good a player is. My problem is the number of people that rate Europeans to be some huge top-dogs because they win some European-only tournaments, and then they proceed to get knocked out in the first couple of rounds at an MLG or IPL. Or they'll be in pool-play for an NASL or Dreamhack, and get completely dominated by everyone in their group. It's happened far too often for me to accept European-only tournaments as any kind of reasonable benchmark. Can you name a specific case for that? Because I don´t really remember one. I think "hyped" euros mostly deserve the hype, they got, whereas new potential korean superstars often end up doing nothing, when they fall once (Sage for example). Players like BeastyQT, Nerchio and Sjow come to mind. Although, I can't say Sjow gets overhyped, just that he's garnered a lot of prize money from European tournaments, and fallen flat in international ones. Honestly, there's a huge slew of European players that have a ton of 1st place finishes in tournaments that are EU only, but end up in the bottom half at major LANs. Hmm, I can´t really agree with that list. Nerchio has narrowly lost a ZvZ against a korean at dreamhack after defeating Naniwa and Hyun. The only IPL he ever attendet, he got second place, he was never in any NASL or MLG. Beasty did not attend any big tournament for ages as well, I think the last one was IEM Cologne, where he lost against Kas and MC, which is nothing to be ashamed of. And Sjow has strong results internationally, he beats most foreigners and loses against the most koreans. The last big tournament Beasty was in was WCG.
Hmm, forgot about WCG. But that was a weird tournament with bo1 groupstage; Idra, Morrow and Sen did get eliminated in the group stage as well.
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does anyone know when these games were played?
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On May 03 2012 06:56 CeriseCherries wrote:
does anyone know when these games were played?
circa a week ago.
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On May 03 2012 06:13 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
IdrA and Puma should be able to win.
Mana and JYP should be able to win too.
Ace match should be interesting.
Mouz not fielding HasuObs; EG not fielding HuK (standard except for vs. TL) or DeMusliM. Interesting.
Puma shouldn't be able to win. Morrow's ZvT is very good while Puma's TvZ is pretty mediocre. Mana and Morrow will win, Idra should win his match, and i can't really call the last one.
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Even if it goes to ace Thorzain vs Puma, I'm not quite sure that Puma will have it. Polt is usually much better than Puma and Thorzain beat him 3-1 last time.
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