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Evil Geniuses Master's Cup Series League - Season VIIThursday, May 03 1:00am GMT (GMT+00:00)Website: http://mcsl.evilgeniuses.net/Stream: http://www.twitch.tv/onemoregametvCasters: Marcus " djWHEAT" Graham & Taylor " PainUser" Parsons
FormatThe Evil Geniuses Master’s Cup Series League will feature 12 teams in a round robin format with each team matchup containing at least four best of three games between two teams. The top four teams at the end of the season will advance to the playoffs on a two day live broadcast weekend.
Results![[image loading]](http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/3086/mouzicon.png) ![[image loading]](http://img864.imageshack.us/img864/7029/vslogo.png) ![[image loading]](http://img851.imageshack.us/img851/8407/egicon.png) Mousesports vs. Evil Geniuses biGs <GSL Dual Sight> IdrA + Show Spoiler + biGs <GSL Dual Sight> IdrA biGs <GSL Antiga Shipyard> IdrA  MaNa <GSL Metropolis> Machine + Show Spoiler + MaNa <GSL Metropolis> Machine MaNa <GSL Daybreak> Machine MorroW <GSL Bel'Shir Beach Winter>  PuMa + Show Spoiler + ThorZaIN <GSL Entombed Valley> JYP + Show Spoiler + ThorZaIN <GSL Entombed Valley> JYP ThorZaIN <GSL Daybreak> JYP ThorZaIN <MLG Shakuras Plateau> JYP
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Poll Poll: Who do you think will win?mouz (132) 69% EG (58) 31% 190 total votes Your vote: Who do you think will win? (Vote): mouz
(Vote): EG
Lineups+ Show Spoiler + biGs HasuObs HeRoMaRinE MaNa MorroW ThorZaIN DeMusliM HuK IdrA iNcontroL JYP LzGaMeR Machine PuMa
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Pretty good matchups for mouz I think. 4-0 incoming!
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3-1
I think Morrow might lose to Puma, but that's it.
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Idra has a decent shot to win, and Puma might be slightly, ever so slightly favored. That could force the ace, and Puma is dangerous enough to beat anyone from mouz. Still, I think mouz wins this one.
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bigs < idra
mana > machine
morrow < puma
thorzain > JYP
ace : thorzain < puma
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Wow, I know mouz is good, but seems like people might be a bit prejudice in their voting due to recent events.
1 or 2 matches might be somewhat one sided, but both morrow vs puma and thorzain vs JYP should be great matches, with an edge given to the Korean players.
I really feel this has a very good chance of going to an ace match, where EG also has a real chance.
It would be pretty damn cool if Idra played and won in the ace match.
I do feel Mouz has an overall advantage, but I'm surprised to see 88% favor Mouz.
Maybe I'm just a bit early to the party.
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damn, I was spoiled on the results on idras match by looking at his match history on EU a few days ago  being a stalker has it's downsides
should still be an interesting match
MaNa > Machine - PvZ has been known to be MaNa's weakest, but I still think he will take this one 2-1
Morrow < PuMa - Morrow has a good understanding of this matchup, but I still feel PuMa is a level above. 0-2
Thorzain > JYP - Thorzain, the ace player of mouz in team leagues. 2-1 Thorzain.
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I think EG 3-1 tbh, with Mana winning for mouz.
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I predict:
bigs > idra (2-0)
mana > machine (2-0)
morrow < puma (0-2)
Thorzain > JYP (2-1)
Mouz takes it 3-1
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biGs > IdrA
MaNa > Machine
MorroW < PuMa
ThorZaIN > JYP
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biGs > IdrA
biGs snatched some pretty important ZvZ wins already, but so has IdrA. I'll give biGs the benefit of doubt.
MaNa > Machine
MaNas PvZ is really bad atm, but it will be more than enough for Machine.
MorroW < PuMa
MorroW is not that hot atm, PuMa is in an ok state.
ThorZaIN > JYP
ThorZaIN is a terran with a special style should be a win imo.
mouz 3-1 EG
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On May 02 2012 13:32 Edahspmal wrote:
biGs > IdrA
MaNa > Machine
MorroW < PuMa
ThorZaIN > JYP
^This.
2-0 (Either this or 0-2 in the very unlikely event that IdrA plays like the Ro8 IdrA)
2-0
1-2 (Could go either way, depending on how well MorroW plays in his best matchup)
2-0 (JYP's worst matchup and Thorzain's best; Thorzain's T v P is probably average Code S level)
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On May 02 2012 12:34 ravenKRaz wrote:
bigs < idra
mana > machine
morrow < puma
thorzain > JYP
ace : thorzain < puma
ya samesies bro i like the way you think
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if biGs and Morrow bring their A-game, this should be a 4-0 for Mouz.
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37025 Posts
I really want EG to win this.... :/
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3-1 for mouz with Puma bringing a point.
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On May 02 2012 13:32 Edahspmal wrote:
biGs > IdrA
MaNa > Machine
MorroW < PuMa
ThorZaIN > JYP
this.
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Love all the EG hate. 'If x brings his A game, they will win'
If EG play at their best, the only person who would come close to winning is Thorzain.
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On May 02 2012 15:53 LikeAG6 wrote:
Love all the EG hate. 'If x brings his A game, they will win'
If EG play at their best, the only person who would come close to winning is Thorzain.
Haha, you seriously think Machine will roll mana if he plays at his best?
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On May 02 2012 15:53 LikeAG6 wrote:
Love all the EG hate. 'If x brings his A game, they will win'
If EG play at their best, the only person who would come close to winning is Thorzain.
Is that also assuming that Mouz play their absolute worst ? Mana is a huge favourite over Machine for example. I'd also be inclined to call Bigs over Idra and Thorzain over JYP. The Puma/Morrow match is probably the most EG favoured of the night and even there you cant discount Morrow.
That said I think most of the matches are super close and can go either way. Still going with
biGs > IdrA 2-1
MaNa > Machine 2-0
MorroW < PuMa 1-2
ThorZaIN > JYP 2-1
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I love Machine, but why toss him out over Demuslim/HuK?
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Bigs < Idra
Mana > Machine
Morrow < Puma
Thorzain > JYP
Ace: Thorzain > Puma
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A lot of people still undererstimate Bigs, but hes a real beast lately and IdrA hasnt been playing anywhere near good in all of the showmatches he has to play, so i would think Bigs has to be considered favorite in that matchup, same goes for Mana.
Morrow has a shot allthough puma is very solid and Thorzain against JYP should be a very high level game that both could take down. I still think Mouz will come out ahead as they so often do in Teamleagues.
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Bigs> idrA
MaNa > Machine
PuMa > MorroW
ThorZaiN> JYP
Fairly certain with the last three games, but if idrA manages to win and it goes to ace, Puma vs Thorazin should be a tossup.
3-1 mouz.
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Errrm, tough one to call. biGs has some tasty ZvZ, and has looked pretty great recently, whereas Idra has had a sadly bad 2012. Mana is awful PvZ, but Machine is awful in general (it pains me to say that, cause Machine is a really cool guy) so Mana should take it. Morrow and Puma is gonna be awesome, but I think it will go to Puma.
Thorzain is probably gonna do something disgusting to JYP, its TvP for Thorzain, its a team league, its against a Korea (online this seems to help Thorzain more than anyone else), and JYP isn't great vT, and Thorzain's in amazing form.
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Mana doesn't look too convincing lately. With these matchups, all the burden of his team is on Morrow really.
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idra 2-1 (idra is great vs anyone thats not protoss :D)
Machine 2-1 (haven't seen machine play competitivly in a long time, but on his stream he has been playing good)
Puma 2-0 (I think puma is too good)
Thorzain 2-0 ( he is one of the best foreigners to take on koreans)
EG 3-1 (note i am kinda picking with my heart a bit GOOOOOO EG!!!!!!!!!!!)
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biGs 2-0 IdrA
MaNa 2-0 Machine
MorroW 1-2 PuMa
ThorZaiN 2-1 JYP
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4-0 for Mouz
Bigs>Idra, Idra has been worse than everyone on EG for the last six months
Mana>Machine I like Machine but he's not on the same level as Mana
Morrow vs Puma can go either way, but I think Morrow can take it 
Thorzain>JYP one of the best foreigners with amazing TvP vs a Korean with mediocre PvT, I think Thorzain has this.
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mouz fighting! yeah!
ps:mousesports
Sup @EvilGeniuses heard it's time for another clash tonight?
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On May 02 2012 15:53 LikeAG6 wrote:
Love all the EG hate. 'If x brings his A game, they will win'
If EG play at their best, the only person who would come close to winning is Thorzain.
Even if Machine was at his best und you then would go and clone him, he would still lose a 2v1 vs Mana.
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MaNa's vZ is pretty bad, but I still think he can take out Machine 2-0.
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biGs 2-0 IdrA
MaNa 2-0 Machine
MorroW 1-2 PuMa
ThorZaiN 2-1 JYP
Voted for EG last series (which they pulled out) but not seeing it this time. Idra could pull out a win, but a loss more likely. BM guaranteed :-). Would be nice to see Machine pull out a W and EG win overall though.
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mouz 4 - 0 or 3 - 1... i think their tweet probably spoils this a little (its still casted from replays iirc)
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Good luck EG. Would be a shame to see them defeat TL and yet somehow still not reach the playoffs.
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IdrA > Bigs (How do you see bigs winning?)
Mana > Machine
Puma > Morrow
Thorzain > JYP
3-2 to Mouz.
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United States15275 Posts
On May 03 2012 02:22 zedi wrote:
IdrA > Bigs (How do you see bigs winning?)
Mana > Machine
Puma > Morrow
Thorzain > JYP
3-2 to Mouz.
Because Bigs is playing better than Idra?
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On May 03 2012 02:22 zedi wrote:
IdrA > Bigs (How do you see bigs winning?)
Mana > Machine
Puma > Morrow
Thorzain > JYP
3-2 to Mouz.
because he's a better player overall? anything could happen in zvz tho so i wouldn't count idra out just yet
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On May 03 2012 02:34 Choboo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 02:22 zedi wrote:
IdrA > Bigs (How do you see bigs winning?)
Mana > Machine
Puma > Morrow
Thorzain > JYP
3-2 to Mouz. because he's a better player overall? anything couldappen in zvz tho so i wouldn't count idra out just yet
Bigs is a better player than Idra overall? LOL
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United States15275 Posts
On May 03 2012 02:44 ssg wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 02:34 Choboo wrote:On May 03 2012 02:22 zedi wrote:
IdrA > Bigs (How do you see bigs winning?)
Mana > Machine
Puma > Morrow
Thorzain > JYP
3-2 to Mouz. because he's a better player overall? anything couldappen in zvz tho so i wouldn't count idra out just yet Bigs is a better player than Idra overall? LOL
...I'm guessing you don't have proof that Idra is better and are hoping your hearty laughs obscure the fact.
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On May 02 2012 23:26 Finrod1 wrote:mouz fighting! yeah! ps:
Pretty weak how these organizations basically keep leaking results
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Predictionking
biGs 1-2 IdrA (time for the Fanidol to win some shit again)
Mana 2-0 Machine ("I....Iam actually Machine, Iam not IdrA damnit T_T !")
MorroW 1-2 Pewma
ThorZain 2-1 JYP (Swedish powerhouse on fire)
Acetime, baby
ThorZain ?-? Peeewma (this might go either way really)
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BiGs > IdrA
MaNa < Machine
Morrow < PuMa
ThorZain < JYP
EG 3-1 mouz
IdrA is far from old form, So is MaNa. MorroW always dies to some cheese or by making a big blunder even though he can play perfect 99% of the time.
This match is important for EG and with a 2-1 lead I think JYP will step up and play really great against ThorZain.
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On May 03 2012 02:48 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 02:44 ssg wrote:On May 03 2012 02:34 Choboo wrote:On May 03 2012 02:22 zedi wrote:
IdrA > Bigs (How do you see bigs winning?)
Mana > Machine
Puma > Morrow
Thorzain > JYP
3-2 to Mouz. because he's a better player overall? anything couldappen in zvz tho so i wouldn't count idra out just yet Bigs is a better player than Idra overall? LOL ...I'm guessing you don't have proof that Idra is better and are hoping your hearty laughs obscure the fact.
The burden of proof here kinda is on the other side >_< (I've never actually heard of this guy and after checking TLPD there's a reason for it...)
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It's great to see Machine play in a CW ! EG must be confident to send him over DeMusliM (or Huk). I really hope he does well.
Idra will win easy i think (and hope), i like his play more and more even if it lacks consistency lately.
No idea for the other 2 matches, can go either way, but i hope EG takes it.
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United States15275 Posts
On May 03 2012 03:19 zedi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 02:48 CosmicSpiral wrote:On May 03 2012 02:44 ssg wrote:On May 03 2012 02:34 Choboo wrote:On May 03 2012 02:22 zedi wrote:
IdrA > Bigs (How do you see bigs winning?)
Mana > Machine
Puma > Morrow
Thorzain > JYP
3-2 to Mouz. because he's a better player overall? anything couldappen in zvz tho so i wouldn't count idra out just yet Bigs is a better player than Idra overall? LOL ...I'm guessing you don't have proof that Idra is better and are hoping your hearty laughs obscure the fact. The burden of proof here kinda is on the other side >_< (I've never actually heard of this guy and after checking TLPD there's a reason for it...)
Oh look, Bigs won Gamers Assembly and got second at EPS Germany Finals. So much for never hearing about this guy.
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On May 03 2012 03:19 zedi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 02:48 CosmicSpiral wrote:On May 03 2012 02:44 ssg wrote:On May 03 2012 02:34 Choboo wrote:On May 03 2012 02:22 zedi wrote:
IdrA > Bigs (How do you see bigs winning?)
Mana > Machine
Puma > Morrow
Thorzain > JYP
3-2 to Mouz. because he's a better player overall? anything couldappen in zvz tho so i wouldn't count idra out just yet Bigs is a better player than Idra overall? LOL ...I'm guessing you don't have proof that Idra is better and are hoping your hearty laughs obscure the fact. The burden of proof here kinda is on the other side >_< (I've never actually heard of this guy and after checking TLPD there's a reason for it...)
Funny that you are mentioning TLPD as a reason for never hearing of bigs, when he has about 40 points more than Idra. And like someone above me said, biggs won Gamers Assembly and got second at EPS in 2012. What exactly has Idra done this year?
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Stream completly unwatchable?
Edit: just swtiched to 1080 p and the issue was resolved
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On May 03 2012 03:59 Xoronius wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 03:19 zedi wrote:On May 03 2012 02:48 CosmicSpiral wrote:On May 03 2012 02:44 ssg wrote:On May 03 2012 02:34 Choboo wrote:On May 03 2012 02:22 zedi wrote:
IdrA > Bigs (How do you see bigs winning?)
Mana > Machine
Puma > Morrow
Thorzain > JYP
3-2 to Mouz. because he's a better player overall? anything couldappen in zvz tho so i wouldn't count idra out just yet Bigs is a better player than Idra overall? LOL ...I'm guessing you don't have proof that Idra is better and are hoping your hearty laughs obscure the fact. The burden of proof here kinda is on the other side >_< (I've never actually heard of this guy and after checking TLPD there's a reason for it...) Funny that you are mentioning TLPD as a reason for never hearing of bigs, when he has about 40 points more than Idra. And like someone above me said, biggs won Gamers Assembly and got second at EPS in 2012. What exactly has Idra done this year?
The points are kind of void after you compare their opponents and tournaments against each other. I don't have a single clue about those two tournaments. Those wins aren't on the same level as any of Idra's tournaments, so in my opinion you can't compare them to his showings at all. As I said, he's a fairly unheard of a player which usually means he shouldn't be the favored one.
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I thought that ZvZ was IdrA's best match-up.
But his 2012 record for ZvZ is 26.7%.
Granted, they were against better Zergs than biGs. I think IdrA has a shot this series, but I'm not going to say that he's the favorite.
Mana vs. Machine is difficult to call, but I think Mana has the advantage in this match-up. Machine isn't at the caliber of Mana but has ZvP as his best match-up, whereas Mana is a top EU pro who has PvZ as his worst match-up.
Morrow > Puma.
Thorzain > JYP.
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On May 02 2012 16:12 Falconblade wrote:
I love Machine, but why toss him out over Demuslim/HuK?
Dunno about Demuslim, but HuK doesn't play cross server.
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On May 03 2012 04:05 zedi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 03:59 Xoronius wrote:On May 03 2012 03:19 zedi wrote:On May 03 2012 02:48 CosmicSpiral wrote:On May 03 2012 02:44 ssg wrote:On May 03 2012 02:34 Choboo wrote:On May 03 2012 02:22 zedi wrote:
IdrA > Bigs (How do you see bigs winning?)
Mana > Machine
Puma > Morrow
Thorzain > JYP
3-2 to Mouz. because he's a better player overall? anything couldappen in zvz tho so i wouldn't count idra out just yet Bigs is a better player than Idra overall? LOL ...I'm guessing you don't have proof that Idra is better and are hoping your hearty laughs obscure the fact. The burden of proof here kinda is on the other side >_< (I've never actually heard of this guy and after checking TLPD there's a reason for it...) Funny that you are mentioning TLPD as a reason for never hearing of bigs, when he has about 40 points more than Idra. And like someone above me said, biggs won Gamers Assembly and got second at EPS in 2012. What exactly has Idra done this year? The points are kind of void after you compare their opponents and tournaments against each other. I don't have a single clue about those two tournaments. Those wins aren't on the same level as any of Idra's tournaments, so in my opinion you can't compare them to his showings at all. As I said, he's a fairly unheard of a player which usually means he shouldn't be the favored one.
Ofc. I understand your position, but Idras results against foreigners were not that impressive either, at IEM he lost to players, bigs beat during his tournament wins. Idra won bigger tournaments, but that was quite a while ago. Fruitdealer won GSL as well and is not good anymore. He keeps losing in big tournaments and has now gone down to a point, where he needs smaller wins, to proof, that he is still a contender. Bigs has those wins, Idra has not.
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Idra 2 - 1 Bigs
Mana 2 - 0 Machine
Puma 2 - 1 Morrow
Thorzain 2 - 1 JYP
Puma 2 - 0 Thorzain
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On May 03 2012 02:56 DaCruise wrote:
MaNa < Machine
I swear I'll shave my head when this happens.
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United States15275 Posts
On May 03 2012 04:05 zedi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 03:59 Xoronius wrote:On May 03 2012 03:19 zedi wrote:On May 03 2012 02:48 CosmicSpiral wrote:On May 03 2012 02:44 ssg wrote:On May 03 2012 02:34 Choboo wrote:On May 03 2012 02:22 zedi wrote:
IdrA > Bigs (How do you see bigs winning?)
Mana > Machine
Puma > Morrow
Thorzain > JYP
3-2 to Mouz. because he's a better player overall? anything couldappen in zvz tho so i wouldn't count idra out just yet Bigs is a better player than Idra overall? LOL ...I'm guessing you don't have proof that Idra is better and are hoping your hearty laughs obscure the fact. The burden of proof here kinda is on the other side >_< (I've never actually heard of this guy and after checking TLPD there's a reason for it...) Funny that you are mentioning TLPD as a reason for never hearing of bigs, when he has about 40 points more than Idra. And like someone above me said, biggs won Gamers Assembly and got second at EPS in 2012. What exactly has Idra done this year? The points are kind of void after you compare their opponents and tournaments against each other. I don't have a single clue about those two tournaments. Those wins aren't on the same level as any of Idra's tournaments, so in my opinion you can't compare them to his showings at all. As I said, he's a fairly unheard of a player which usually means he shouldn't be the favored one.
Your argument is "Idra has lost a lot to top-tier koreans and foreigners lately, therefore he should be ranked ahead of someone who has beaten a lot of mid/top-tier foreigners lately." It doesn't take a genius to see that this line of reasoning is illogical. If you're going to favor someone in a match you should have a general idea of their skill levels; popularity will not tell you how good a player is.
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i think jyp might score for EG and MAAAAAAAAYBE puma depending on if morrow is in good shape that day because his play is very inconsistent lately but it's still his best MU so i think he should win this because i have never been a fan of pumas tvz
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On May 03 2012 04:12 TheDougler wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 16:12 Falconblade wrote:
I love Machine, but why toss him out over Demuslim/HuK? Dunno about Demuslim, but HuK doesn't play cross server.
honestly... i think that machine has better chances vs mana since mana still sometimes struggles with his pvz and he is just awesome in pvt
also demu is really overhyped imo... he doesn't have any real results and his play is sometimes really weird
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4-0 for Mouz or 3-1 if Idra pulls out a win or Puma gets the win, I hardly see both happening. I see Thorzain winning the ace match if it happens or Mana if they take him, expecting them to not take JYP because of his weakness to T but to take Puma instead.
Mana vs Machine is kinda one-sided
biGs vs Idra is ZvZ, and I'd give the edge to bigs in ZvZ right now
Thorzain vs JYP is kinda one sided for Thorzain
morrow vs Puma will definitely be the closer match, can't guess the winner there. Morrow can destroy Puma but Puma can do the same to Morrow, it'll depend on how they both perform and Puma needs to win this for a chance at Ace match.
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On May 03 2012 05:11 sVnteen wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 04:12 TheDougler wrote:On May 02 2012 16:12 Falconblade wrote:
I love Machine, but why toss him out over Demuslim/HuK? Dunno about Demuslim, but HuK doesn't play cross server. honestly... i think that machine has better chances vs mana since mana still sometimes struggles with his pvz and he is just awesome in pvt also demu is really overhyped imo... he doesn't have any real results and his play is sometimes really weird
+ TvP is by far Demuslims worst MU. I don´t know much about Machines recent skill-level, but if ZvP is his best MU, he should have a better shot against MaNa. I mean MaNa is top-10 in international vT Elo (above MMA, MC, Nestea, Ryung [Which does not mean, he is better than them in this MU - but it does mean smth.]), while he is under 2000 vZ-Elo.
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On May 03 2012 05:18 Xoronius wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 05:11 sVnteen wrote:On May 03 2012 04:12 TheDougler wrote:On May 02 2012 16:12 Falconblade wrote:
I love Machine, but why toss him out over Demuslim/HuK? Dunno about Demuslim, but HuK doesn't play cross server. honestly... i think that machine has better chances vs mana since mana still sometimes struggles with his pvz and he is just awesome in pvt also demu is really overhyped imo... he doesn't have any real results and his play is sometimes really weird + TvP is by far Demuslims worst MU. I don´t know much about Machines recent skill-level, but if ZvP is his best MU, he should have a better shot against MaNa. I mean MaNa is top-10 in international vT Elo (above MMA, MC, Nestea, Ryung [Which does not mean, he is better than them in this MU - but it does mean smth.]), while he is under 2000 vZ-Elo.
Still, the only series against known players Machine has won in ZvP in over a year were against Nony and incontrol.
MaNa has a better win percentage in his worst matchup than Machine in his best and he plays much better opponents in general.
I don't see a way for Machine to win this.
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On May 03 2012 05:27 StarVe wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 05:18 Xoronius wrote:On May 03 2012 05:11 sVnteen wrote:On May 03 2012 04:12 TheDougler wrote:On May 02 2012 16:12 Falconblade wrote:
I love Machine, but why toss him out over Demuslim/HuK? Dunno about Demuslim, but HuK doesn't play cross server. honestly... i think that machine has better chances vs mana since mana still sometimes struggles with his pvz and he is just awesome in pvt also demu is really overhyped imo... he doesn't have any real results and his play is sometimes really weird + TvP is by far Demuslims worst MU. I don´t know much about Machines recent skill-level, but if ZvP is his best MU, he should have a better shot against MaNa. I mean MaNa is top-10 in international vT Elo (above MMA, MC, Nestea, Ryung [Which does not mean, he is better than them in this MU - but it does mean smth.]), while he is under 2000 vZ-Elo. Still, the only series against known players Machine has won in ZvP in over a year were against Nony and incontrol. MaNa has a better win percentage in his worst matchup than Machine in his best and he plays much better opponents in general. I don't see a way for Machine to win this.
The difference between Machines and Demuslims winrates against P are not that high, so avoiding the much scarier MU seems to be the right choice. I don´t see high chances for Machine either, but I think, they are still higher than Demuslims. But I am rooting for MaNa in both cases, so it does not make that much of a difference for me.
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Depending on how idra plays and if mana has improved his pvz, this could go to ace or be a 4-0 either way, looks like there could be some great games played here.
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On May 03 2012 04:05 zedi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 03:59 Xoronius wrote:On May 03 2012 03:19 zedi wrote:On May 03 2012 02:48 CosmicSpiral wrote:On May 03 2012 02:44 ssg wrote:On May 03 2012 02:34 Choboo wrote:On May 03 2012 02:22 zedi wrote:
IdrA > Bigs (How do you see bigs winning?)
Mana > Machine
Puma > Morrow
Thorzain > JYP
3-2 to Mouz. because he's a better player overall? anything couldappen in zvz tho so i wouldn't count idra out just yet Bigs is a better player than Idra overall? LOL ...I'm guessing you don't have proof that Idra is better and are hoping your hearty laughs obscure the fact. The burden of proof here kinda is on the other side >_< (I've never actually heard of this guy and after checking TLPD there's a reason for it...) Funny that you are mentioning TLPD as a reason for never hearing of bigs, when he has about 40 points more than Idra. And like someone above me said, biggs won Gamers Assembly and got second at EPS in 2012. What exactly has Idra done this year? The points are kind of void after you compare their opponents and tournaments against each other. I don't have a single clue about those two tournaments. Those wins aren't on the same level as any of Idra's tournaments, so in my opinion you can't compare them to his showings at all. As I said, he's a fairly unheard of a player which usually means he shouldn't be the favored one.
Yes, you're right, you are pretty clueless! I don't think you follow Starcraft 2 if you never heard of Bigs, Gamer's Assembly or the the EPS, lol. You probably watch Idra's stream a lot though, grats!
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On May 03 2012 04:53 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 04:05 zedi wrote:On May 03 2012 03:59 Xoronius wrote:On May 03 2012 03:19 zedi wrote:On May 03 2012 02:48 CosmicSpiral wrote:On May 03 2012 02:44 ssg wrote:On May 03 2012 02:34 Choboo wrote:On May 03 2012 02:22 zedi wrote:
IdrA > Bigs (How do you see bigs winning?)
Mana > Machine
Puma > Morrow
Thorzain > JYP
3-2 to Mouz. because he's a better player overall? anything couldappen in zvz tho so i wouldn't count idra out just yet Bigs is a better player than Idra overall? LOL ...I'm guessing you don't have proof that Idra is better and are hoping your hearty laughs obscure the fact. The burden of proof here kinda is on the other side >_< (I've never actually heard of this guy and after checking TLPD there's a reason for it...) Funny that you are mentioning TLPD as a reason for never hearing of bigs, when he has about 40 points more than Idra. And like someone above me said, biggs won Gamers Assembly and got second at EPS in 2012. What exactly has Idra done this year? The points are kind of void after you compare their opponents and tournaments against each other. I don't have a single clue about those two tournaments. Those wins aren't on the same level as any of Idra's tournaments, so in my opinion you can't compare them to his showings at all. As I said, he's a fairly unheard of a player which usually means he shouldn't be the favored one. Your argument is "Idra has lost a lot to top-tier koreans and foreigners lately, therefore he should be ranked ahead of someone who has beaten a lot of mid/top-tier foreigners lately." It doesn't take a genius to see that this line of reasoning is illogical. If you're going to favor someone in a match you should have a general idea of their skill levels; popularity will not tell you how good a player is.
My problem is the number of people that rate Europeans to be some huge top-dogs because they win some European-only tournaments, and then they proceed to get knocked out in the first couple of rounds at an MLG or IPL. Or they'll be in pool-play for an NASL or Dreamhack, and get completely dominated by everyone in their group.
It's happened far too often for me to accept European-only tournaments as any kind of reasonable benchmark.
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Mouz will win this pretty easily I think!
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On May 03 2012 06:03 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 04:53 CosmicSpiral wrote:On May 03 2012 04:05 zedi wrote:On May 03 2012 03:59 Xoronius wrote:On May 03 2012 03:19 zedi wrote:On May 03 2012 02:48 CosmicSpiral wrote:On May 03 2012 02:44 ssg wrote:On May 03 2012 02:34 Choboo wrote:On May 03 2012 02:22 zedi wrote:
IdrA > Bigs (How do you see bigs winning?)
Mana > Machine
Puma > Morrow
Thorzain > JYP
3-2 to Mouz. because he's a better player overall? anything couldappen in zvz tho so i wouldn't count idra out just yet Bigs is a better player than Idra overall? LOL ...I'm guessing you don't have proof that Idra is better and are hoping your hearty laughs obscure the fact. The burden of proof here kinda is on the other side >_< (I've never actually heard of this guy and after checking TLPD there's a reason for it...) Funny that you are mentioning TLPD as a reason for never hearing of bigs, when he has about 40 points more than Idra. And like someone above me said, biggs won Gamers Assembly and got second at EPS in 2012. What exactly has Idra done this year? The points are kind of void after you compare their opponents and tournaments against each other. I don't have a single clue about those two tournaments. Those wins aren't on the same level as any of Idra's tournaments, so in my opinion you can't compare them to his showings at all. As I said, he's a fairly unheard of a player which usually means he shouldn't be the favored one. Your argument is "Idra has lost a lot to top-tier koreans and foreigners lately, therefore he should be ranked ahead of someone who has beaten a lot of mid/top-tier foreigners lately." It doesn't take a genius to see that this line of reasoning is illogical. If you're going to favor someone in a match you should have a general idea of their skill levels; popularity will not tell you how good a player is. My problem is the number of people that rate Europeans to be some huge top-dogs because they win some European-only tournaments, and then they proceed to get knocked out in the first couple of rounds at an MLG or IPL. Or they'll be in pool-play for an NASL or Dreamhack, and get completely dominated by everyone in their group. It's happened far too often for me to accept European-only tournaments as any kind of reasonable benchmark.
Like anywhere else, the European scene has a range of tiers when it comes to skill level and matchups. In general the principle holds true that NA < EU < KR in terms of the mean and medium level.
Every foreigner got knocked out at MLG and IPL4 by Koreans. That tells you nothing about the skill level of the losers.
EDIT: Your post makes no sense in relation to Europeans. Out of all foreigners, Europeans consistently do the best at all those events.
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Mouz got very fortunate with the snipe on JYP. I think they'll win 3-1 with either Puma or Idra winning for EG but maybe Puma and Idra can win and Puma take the ace match.
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IdrA and Puma should be able to win.
Mana and JYP should be able to win too.
Ace match should be interesting.
Mouz not fielding HasuObs; EG not fielding HuK (standard except for vs. TL) or DeMusliM. Interesting.
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On May 03 2012 06:03 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 04:53 CosmicSpiral wrote:On May 03 2012 04:05 zedi wrote:On May 03 2012 03:59 Xoronius wrote:On May 03 2012 03:19 zedi wrote:On May 03 2012 02:48 CosmicSpiral wrote:On May 03 2012 02:44 ssg wrote:On May 03 2012 02:34 Choboo wrote:On May 03 2012 02:22 zedi wrote:
IdrA > Bigs (How do you see bigs winning?)
Mana > Machine
Puma > Morrow
Thorzain > JYP
3-2 to Mouz. because he's a better player overall? anything couldappen in zvz tho so i wouldn't count idra out just yet Bigs is a better player than Idra overall? LOL ...I'm guessing you don't have proof that Idra is better and are hoping your hearty laughs obscure the fact. The burden of proof here kinda is on the other side >_< (I've never actually heard of this guy and after checking TLPD there's a reason for it...) Funny that you are mentioning TLPD as a reason for never hearing of bigs, when he has about 40 points more than Idra. And like someone above me said, biggs won Gamers Assembly and got second at EPS in 2012. What exactly has Idra done this year? The points are kind of void after you compare their opponents and tournaments against each other. I don't have a single clue about those two tournaments. Those wins aren't on the same level as any of Idra's tournaments, so in my opinion you can't compare them to his showings at all. As I said, he's a fairly unheard of a player which usually means he shouldn't be the favored one. Your argument is "Idra has lost a lot to top-tier koreans and foreigners lately, therefore he should be ranked ahead of someone who has beaten a lot of mid/top-tier foreigners lately." It doesn't take a genius to see that this line of reasoning is illogical. If you're going to favor someone in a match you should have a general idea of their skill levels; popularity will not tell you how good a player is. My problem is the number of people that rate Europeans to be some huge top-dogs because they win some European-only tournaments, and then they proceed to get knocked out in the first couple of rounds at an MLG or IPL. Or they'll be in pool-play for an NASL or Dreamhack, and get completely dominated by everyone in their group. It's happened far too often for me to accept European-only tournaments as any kind of reasonable benchmark.
Can you name a specific case for that? Because I don´t really remember one. I think "hyped" euros mostly deserve the hype, they got, whereas new potential korean superstars often end up doing nothing, when they fall once (Sage for example).
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On May 03 2012 06:03 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 04:53 CosmicSpiral wrote:On May 03 2012 04:05 zedi wrote:On May 03 2012 03:59 Xoronius wrote:On May 03 2012 03:19 zedi wrote:On May 03 2012 02:48 CosmicSpiral wrote:On May 03 2012 02:44 ssg wrote:On May 03 2012 02:34 Choboo wrote:On May 03 2012 02:22 zedi wrote:
IdrA > Bigs (How do you see bigs winning?)
Mana > Machine
Puma > Morrow
Thorzain > JYP
3-2 to Mouz. because he's a better player overall? anything couldappen in zvz tho so i wouldn't count idra out just yet Bigs is a better player than Idra overall? LOL ...I'm guessing you don't have proof that Idra is better and are hoping your hearty laughs obscure the fact. The burden of proof here kinda is on the other side >_< (I've never actually heard of this guy and after checking TLPD there's a reason for it...) Funny that you are mentioning TLPD as a reason for never hearing of bigs, when he has about 40 points more than Idra. And like someone above me said, biggs won Gamers Assembly and got second at EPS in 2012. What exactly has Idra done this year? The points are kind of void after you compare their opponents and tournaments against each other. I don't have a single clue about those two tournaments. Those wins aren't on the same level as any of Idra's tournaments, so in my opinion you can't compare them to his showings at all. As I said, he's a fairly unheard of a player which usually means he shouldn't be the favored one. Your argument is "Idra has lost a lot to top-tier koreans and foreigners lately, therefore he should be ranked ahead of someone who has beaten a lot of mid/top-tier foreigners lately." It doesn't take a genius to see that this line of reasoning is illogical. If you're going to favor someone in a match you should have a general idea of their skill levels; popularity will not tell you how good a player is. My problem is the number of people that rate Europeans to be some huge top-dogs because they win some European-only tournaments, and then they proceed to get knocked out in the first couple of rounds at an MLG or IPL. Or they'll be in pool-play for an NASL or Dreamhack, and get completely dominated by everyone in their group. It's happened far too often for me to accept European-only tournaments as any kind of reasonable benchmark.
You do realize that Idra has a terrible recent benchmark at those events you mentioned? Nobody said bigs will do well in the very big events. He may just be better than Idra.
Your expectations are just wrong. I hate it when there is a nice upcoming player and he gets called "overhyped" if he doesnt win one oft the next big events (with Koreans).
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On May 03 2012 06:18 Xoronius wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 06:03 WolfintheSheep wrote:On May 03 2012 04:53 CosmicSpiral wrote:On May 03 2012 04:05 zedi wrote:On May 03 2012 03:59 Xoronius wrote:On May 03 2012 03:19 zedi wrote:On May 03 2012 02:48 CosmicSpiral wrote:On May 03 2012 02:44 ssg wrote:On May 03 2012 02:34 Choboo wrote:On May 03 2012 02:22 zedi wrote:
IdrA > Bigs (How do you see bigs winning?)
Mana > Machine
Puma > Morrow
Thorzain > JYP
3-2 to Mouz. because he's a better player overall? anything couldappen in zvz tho so i wouldn't count idra out just yet Bigs is a better player than Idra overall? LOL ...I'm guessing you don't have proof that Idra is better and are hoping your hearty laughs obscure the fact. The burden of proof here kinda is on the other side >_< (I've never actually heard of this guy and after checking TLPD there's a reason for it...) Funny that you are mentioning TLPD as a reason for never hearing of bigs, when he has about 40 points more than Idra. And like someone above me said, biggs won Gamers Assembly and got second at EPS in 2012. What exactly has Idra done this year? The points are kind of void after you compare their opponents and tournaments against each other. I don't have a single clue about those two tournaments. Those wins aren't on the same level as any of Idra's tournaments, so in my opinion you can't compare them to his showings at all. As I said, he's a fairly unheard of a player which usually means he shouldn't be the favored one. Your argument is "Idra has lost a lot to top-tier koreans and foreigners lately, therefore he should be ranked ahead of someone who has beaten a lot of mid/top-tier foreigners lately." It doesn't take a genius to see that this line of reasoning is illogical. If you're going to favor someone in a match you should have a general idea of their skill levels; popularity will not tell you how good a player is. My problem is the number of people that rate Europeans to be some huge top-dogs because they win some European-only tournaments, and then they proceed to get knocked out in the first couple of rounds at an MLG or IPL. Or they'll be in pool-play for an NASL or Dreamhack, and get completely dominated by everyone in their group. It's happened far too often for me to accept European-only tournaments as any kind of reasonable benchmark. Can you name a specific case for that? Because I don´t really remember one. I think "hyped" euros mostly deserve the hype, they got, whereas new potential korean superstars often end up doing nothing, when they fall once (Sage for example).
Players like BeastyQT, Nerchio and Sjow come to mind. Although, I can't say Sjow gets overhyped, just that he's garnered a lot of prize money from European tournaments, and fallen flat in international ones.
Honestly, there's a huge slew of European players that have a ton of 1st place finishes in tournaments that are EU only, but end up in the bottom half at major LANs.
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On May 03 2012 06:29 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 06:18 Xoronius wrote:On May 03 2012 06:03 WolfintheSheep wrote:On May 03 2012 04:53 CosmicSpiral wrote:On May 03 2012 04:05 zedi wrote:On May 03 2012 03:59 Xoronius wrote:On May 03 2012 03:19 zedi wrote:On May 03 2012 02:48 CosmicSpiral wrote:On May 03 2012 02:44 ssg wrote:On May 03 2012 02:34 Choboo wrote:
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because he's a better player overall? anything couldappen in zvz tho so i wouldn't count idra out just yet Bigs is a better player than Idra overall? LOL ...I'm guessing you don't have proof that Idra is better and are hoping your hearty laughs obscure the fact. The burden of proof here kinda is on the other side >_< (I've never actually heard of this guy and after checking TLPD there's a reason for it...) Funny that you are mentioning TLPD as a reason for never hearing of bigs, when he has about 40 points more than Idra. And like someone above me said, biggs won Gamers Assembly and got second at EPS in 2012. What exactly has Idra done this year? The points are kind of void after you compare their opponents and tournaments against each other. I don't have a single clue about those two tournaments. Those wins aren't on the same level as any of Idra's tournaments, so in my opinion you can't compare them to his showings at all. As I said, he's a fairly unheard of a player which usually means he shouldn't be the favored one. Your argument is "Idra has lost a lot to top-tier koreans and foreigners lately, therefore he should be ranked ahead of someone who has beaten a lot of mid/top-tier foreigners lately." It doesn't take a genius to see that this line of reasoning is illogical. If you're going to favor someone in a match you should have a general idea of their skill levels; popularity will not tell you how good a player is. My problem is the number of people that rate Europeans to be some huge top-dogs because they win some European-only tournaments, and then they proceed to get knocked out in the first couple of rounds at an MLG or IPL. Or they'll be in pool-play for an NASL or Dreamhack, and get completely dominated by everyone in their group. It's happened far too often for me to accept European-only tournaments as any kind of reasonable benchmark. Can you name a specific case for that? Because I don´t really remember one. I think "hyped" euros mostly deserve the hype, they got, whereas new potential korean superstars often end up doing nothing, when they fall once (Sage for example). Players like BeastyQT, Nerchio and Sjow come to mind. Although, I can't say Sjow gets overhyped, just that he's garnered a lot of prize money from European tournaments, and fallen flat in international ones. Honestly, there's a huge slew of European players that have a ton of 1st place finishes in tournaments that are EU only, but end up in the bottom half at major LANs.
Hmm, I can´t really agree with that list. Nerchio has narrowly lost a ZvZ against a korean at dreamhack after defeating Naniwa and Hyun. The only IPL he ever attendet, he got second place, he was never in any NASL or MLG. Beasty did not attend any big tournament for ages as well, I think the last one was IEM Cologne, where he lost against Kas and MC, which is nothing to be ashamed of. And Sjow has strong results internationally, he beats most foreigners and loses against the most koreans.
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On May 03 2012 06:43 Xoronius wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 06:29 WolfintheSheep wrote:On May 03 2012 06:18 Xoronius wrote:On May 03 2012 06:03 WolfintheSheep wrote:On May 03 2012 04:53 CosmicSpiral wrote:On May 03 2012 04:05 zedi wrote:On May 03 2012 03:59 Xoronius wrote:On May 03 2012 03:19 zedi wrote:On May 03 2012 02:48 CosmicSpiral wrote:On May 03 2012 02:44 ssg wrote:
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Bigs is a better player than Idra overall? LOL ...I'm guessing you don't have proof that Idra is better and are hoping your hearty laughs obscure the fact. The burden of proof here kinda is on the other side >_< (I've never actually heard of this guy and after checking TLPD there's a reason for it...) Funny that you are mentioning TLPD as a reason for never hearing of bigs, when he has about 40 points more than Idra. And like someone above me said, biggs won Gamers Assembly and got second at EPS in 2012. What exactly has Idra done this year? The points are kind of void after you compare their opponents and tournaments against each other. I don't have a single clue about those two tournaments. Those wins aren't on the same level as any of Idra's tournaments, so in my opinion you can't compare them to his showings at all. As I said, he's a fairly unheard of a player which usually means he shouldn't be the favored one. Your argument is "Idra has lost a lot to top-tier koreans and foreigners lately, therefore he should be ranked ahead of someone who has beaten a lot of mid/top-tier foreigners lately." It doesn't take a genius to see that this line of reasoning is illogical. If you're going to favor someone in a match you should have a general idea of their skill levels; popularity will not tell you how good a player is. My problem is the number of people that rate Europeans to be some huge top-dogs because they win some European-only tournaments, and then they proceed to get knocked out in the first couple of rounds at an MLG or IPL. Or they'll be in pool-play for an NASL or Dreamhack, and get completely dominated by everyone in their group. It's happened far too often for me to accept European-only tournaments as any kind of reasonable benchmark. Can you name a specific case for that? Because I don´t really remember one. I think "hyped" euros mostly deserve the hype, they got, whereas new potential korean superstars often end up doing nothing, when they fall once (Sage for example). Players like BeastyQT, Nerchio and Sjow come to mind. Although, I can't say Sjow gets overhyped, just that he's garnered a lot of prize money from European tournaments, and fallen flat in international ones. Honestly, there's a huge slew of European players that have a ton of 1st place finishes in tournaments that are EU only, but end up in the bottom half at major LANs. Hmm, I can´t really agree with that list. Nerchio has narrowly lost a ZvZ against a korean at dreamhack after defeating Naniwa and Hyun. The only IPL he ever attendet, he got second place, he was never in any NASL or MLG. Beasty did not attend any big tournament for ages as well, I think the last one was IEM Cologne, where he lost against Kas and MC, which is nothing to be ashamed of. And Sjow has strong results internationally, he beats most foreigners and loses against the most koreans.
The last big tournament Beasty was in was WCG.
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On May 03 2012 06:47 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 06:43 Xoronius wrote:On May 03 2012 06:29 WolfintheSheep wrote:On May 03 2012 06:18 Xoronius wrote:On May 03 2012 06:03 WolfintheSheep wrote:On May 03 2012 04:53 CosmicSpiral wrote:On May 03 2012 04:05 zedi wrote:On May 03 2012 03:59 Xoronius wrote:On May 03 2012 03:19 zedi wrote:On May 03 2012 02:48 CosmicSpiral wrote:
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...I'm guessing you don't have proof that Idra is better and are hoping your hearty laughs obscure the fact. The burden of proof here kinda is on the other side >_< (I've never actually heard of this guy and after checking TLPD there's a reason for it...) Funny that you are mentioning TLPD as a reason for never hearing of bigs, when he has about 40 points more than Idra. And like someone above me said, biggs won Gamers Assembly and got second at EPS in 2012. What exactly has Idra done this year? The points are kind of void after you compare their opponents and tournaments against each other. I don't have a single clue about those two tournaments. Those wins aren't on the same level as any of Idra's tournaments, so in my opinion you can't compare them to his showings at all. As I said, he's a fairly unheard of a player which usually means he shouldn't be the favored one. Your argument is "Idra has lost a lot to top-tier koreans and foreigners lately, therefore he should be ranked ahead of someone who has beaten a lot of mid/top-tier foreigners lately." It doesn't take a genius to see that this line of reasoning is illogical. If you're going to favor someone in a match you should have a general idea of their skill levels; popularity will not tell you how good a player is. My problem is the number of people that rate Europeans to be some huge top-dogs because they win some European-only tournaments, and then they proceed to get knocked out in the first couple of rounds at an MLG or IPL. Or they'll be in pool-play for an NASL or Dreamhack, and get completely dominated by everyone in their group. It's happened far too often for me to accept European-only tournaments as any kind of reasonable benchmark. Can you name a specific case for that? Because I don´t really remember one. I think "hyped" euros mostly deserve the hype, they got, whereas new potential korean superstars often end up doing nothing, when they fall once (Sage for example). Players like BeastyQT, Nerchio and Sjow come to mind. Although, I can't say Sjow gets overhyped, just that he's garnered a lot of prize money from European tournaments, and fallen flat in international ones. Honestly, there's a huge slew of European players that have a ton of 1st place finishes in tournaments that are EU only, but end up in the bottom half at major LANs. Hmm, I can´t really agree with that list. Nerchio has narrowly lost a ZvZ against a korean at dreamhack after defeating Naniwa and Hyun. The only IPL he ever attendet, he got second place, he was never in any NASL or MLG. Beasty did not attend any big tournament for ages as well, I think the last one was IEM Cologne, where he lost against Kas and MC, which is nothing to be ashamed of. And Sjow has strong results internationally, he beats most foreigners and loses against the most koreans. The last big tournament Beasty was in was WCG.
Hmm, forgot about WCG. But that was a weird tournament with bo1 groupstage; Idra, Morrow and Sen did get eliminated in the group stage as well.
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does anyone know when these games were played?
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On May 03 2012 06:56 CeriseCherries wrote:
does anyone know when these games were played?
circa a week ago.
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On May 03 2012 06:13 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
IdrA and Puma should be able to win.
Mana and JYP should be able to win too.
Ace match should be interesting.
Mouz not fielding HasuObs; EG not fielding HuK (standard except for vs. TL) or DeMusliM. Interesting.
Puma shouldn't be able to win. Morrow's ZvT is very good while Puma's TvZ is pretty mediocre. Mana and Morrow will win, Idra should win his match, and i can't really call the last one.
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Even if it goes to ace Thorzain vs Puma, I'm not quite sure that Puma will have it. Polt is usually much better than Puma and Thorzain beat him 3-1 last time.
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On May 03 2012 07:56 ColtraneL wrote:
Even if it goes to ace Thorzain vs Puma, I'm not quite sure that Puma will have it. Polt is usually much better than Puma and Thorzain beat him 3-1 last time.
Yeah. Thorzain is on fire right now.
EG always manages to fail in clanleagues and I wouldnt be suprised to see 0-4.
Thorzain and Mana are strong favourites. Idra vs Bigs is a cointoss, I guess. Morrow and Puma seem to be evenly matched at the moment and in this matchup.
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On May 03 2012 06:43 Xoronius wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 06:29 WolfintheSheep wrote:On May 03 2012 06:18 Xoronius wrote:On May 03 2012 06:03 WolfintheSheep wrote:On May 03 2012 04:53 CosmicSpiral wrote:On May 03 2012 04:05 zedi wrote:On May 03 2012 03:59 Xoronius wrote:On May 03 2012 03:19 zedi wrote:On May 03 2012 02:48 CosmicSpiral wrote:On May 03 2012 02:44 ssg wrote:
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Bigs is a better player than Idra overall? LOL ...I'm guessing you don't have proof that Idra is better and are hoping your hearty laughs obscure the fact. The burden of proof here kinda is on the other side >_< (I've never actually heard of this guy and after checking TLPD there's a reason for it...) Funny that you are mentioning TLPD as a reason for never hearing of bigs, when he has about 40 points more than Idra. And like someone above me said, biggs won Gamers Assembly and got second at EPS in 2012. What exactly has Idra done this year? The points are kind of void after you compare their opponents and tournaments against each other. I don't have a single clue about those two tournaments. Those wins aren't on the same level as any of Idra's tournaments, so in my opinion you can't compare them to his showings at all. As I said, he's a fairly unheard of a player which usually means he shouldn't be the favored one. Your argument is "Idra has lost a lot to top-tier koreans and foreigners lately, therefore he should be ranked ahead of someone who has beaten a lot of mid/top-tier foreigners lately." It doesn't take a genius to see that this line of reasoning is illogical. If you're going to favor someone in a match you should have a general idea of their skill levels; popularity will not tell you how good a player is. My problem is the number of people that rate Europeans to be some huge top-dogs because they win some European-only tournaments, and then they proceed to get knocked out in the first couple of rounds at an MLG or IPL. Or they'll be in pool-play for an NASL or Dreamhack, and get completely dominated by everyone in their group. It's happened far too often for me to accept European-only tournaments as any kind of reasonable benchmark. Can you name a specific case for that? Because I don´t really remember one. I think "hyped" euros mostly deserve the hype, they got, whereas new potential korean superstars often end up doing nothing, when they fall once (Sage for example). Players like BeastyQT, Nerchio and Sjow come to mind. Although, I can't say Sjow gets overhyped, just that he's garnered a lot of prize money from European tournaments, and fallen flat in international ones. Honestly, there's a huge slew of European players that have a ton of 1st place finishes in tournaments that are EU only, but end up in the bottom half at major LANs. Hmm, I can´t really agree with that list. Nerchio has narrowly lost a ZvZ against a korean at dreamhack after defeating Naniwa and Hyun. The only IPL he ever attendet, he got second place, he was never in any NASL or MLG. Beasty did not attend any big tournament for ages as well, I think the last one was IEM Cologne, where he lost against Kas and MC, which is nothing to be ashamed of. And Sjow has strong results internationally, he beats most foreigners and loses against the most koreans.
I'm not arguing about why they don't have results. I'm saying that hyping players purely off of EU tournament results is not a good way to judge relative skill levels.
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biGs < IdrA
MaNa > Machine
MorroW = PuMa This is the Match to watch imo, either mouz brings it home or EG takes this to an ace match.
ThorZaIN > JYP
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Where dat snitch at?37025 Posts
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that poll must be broken
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IdrA starting it off with the super greedy build on Dual Sight.
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IdrA GGs after his zergling attack failed ...
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ROFL WTFFFFFFFFFFFFF
That was just, ehm, idiotic. IdrA though about that as a ling allin, but bigs defended it by building lings too=IdrA is not behind (in fact he was ahead/even).
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Idra doing his thing I guess
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IdrA should really take a break from this game imo. He obviously doesnt like to play it anymore.
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:-\ He clearly loses if Biggs decides to attack given Idra doesn't have a banenest...but alteast wait to make sure he is going to attack after holding off the aggression.
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Okay, you cannot argue that Idra had lost that game.
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was he ahead on drones? caz the supply was even
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gg idra vs bigs, sick game
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It's amazing. He does this, and it's loved. He doesn't even try..
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On May 03 2012 10:35 Kiarip wrote:
was he ahead on drones? caz the supply was even
idra was 5 drones ahead
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He had no baneling tech but was ahead in drones. Had a spine crawler, but no roach warren. It was a tough situation but not unwinnable.
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On May 03 2012 10:35 Kiarip wrote:
was he ahead on drones? caz the supply was even
I believe it was 25 to 20 in favor of idra.
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my face when that game ended: o_O
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On May 03 2012 10:35 Kiarip wrote:
was he ahead on drones? caz the supply was even
Idra had 5 more drones.
Edit: Too slow....
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On May 03 2012 10:35 Ranir wrote:
gg idra vs bigs, sick game
sick game? I hope as in that early gg makes you sick
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On May 03 2012 10:35 kju wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 10:35 Kiarip wrote:
was he ahead on drones? caz the supply was even idra was 5 drones ahead
so all he had to do was drop like 2 spien crawlers, and continue playing aggresive-ish with lings until the spines finished ? and eh could defend the banelings... lol
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On May 03 2012 10:35 Kiarip wrote:
was he ahead on drones? caz the supply was even
He was 5 drones ahead (Idra was) with 4 more to pop and no lings on the field if I'm not mistaken.
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well said pain, wheat who tried to defend idra, pathetic
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Worst A-move I've seen in a long time.
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i heard the gg, painuser :p
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On May 03 2012 10:38 OzVelas wrote:
well said pain, wheat who tried to defend idra, pathetic
I can't watch the stream right now as I'm using too much RAM elsewhere, but I have to say that whatever happened, Wheat usually crucifies IdrA for early GGs, so it must have been pretty clear he lost.
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that was horrendous. what the fuck.
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Wow Idra gg'd. Some respect for that.
Bigs has been on a ZvZ tear of late.
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morrow might as well play as zerg vs idra on sunday lol
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Seriously, it's time for IdrA to either start caring or simply quit.
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Yep. This is why I called this for biGs.
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WELL this time he actually lost but stayed longer... i dunno
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One of the fastest 2-0's I've seen rofl
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On May 03 2012 02:22 zedi wrote:
IdrA > Bigs (How do you see bigs winning?)
Mana > Machine
Puma > Morrow
Thorzain > JYP
3-2 to Mouz.
you have ur answer now
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And people thought Bigs couldn't beat Idra. :D
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Bigs made that look easy.
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On May 03 2012 10:44 Dexington wrote:
Wow Idra gg'd. Some respect for that.
Bigs has been on a ZvZ tear of late.
I'm sure Bigs is good, but IdrA played absolutely shit. Mass ling allin 2x? ._.
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The match on a whole hinges on ThorZaIN vs. JYP, I feel. The winner of that match will determine the winning team.
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IdrA gives not a fuck about SC 2.
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On May 03 2012 02:22 zedi wrote:
IdrA > Bigs (How do you see bigs winning?)
Mana > Machine
Puma > Morrow
Thorzain > JYP
3-2 to Mouz.
Quite easily as you can see.
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European zvz is really good in general.
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On May 03 2012 04:05 zedi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 03:59 Xoronius wrote:On May 03 2012 03:19 zedi wrote:On May 03 2012 02:48 CosmicSpiral wrote:On May 03 2012 02:44 ssg wrote:On May 03 2012 02:34 Choboo wrote:On May 03 2012 02:22 zedi wrote:
IdrA > Bigs (How do you see bigs winning?)
Mana > Machine
Puma > Morrow
Thorzain > JYP
3-2 to Mouz. because he's a better player overall? anything couldappen in zvz tho so i wouldn't count idra out just yet Bigs is a better player than Idra overall? LOL ...I'm guessing you don't have proof that Idra is better and are hoping your hearty laughs obscure the fact. The burden of proof here kinda is on the other side >_< (I've never actually heard of this guy and after checking TLPD there's a reason for it...) Funny that you are mentioning TLPD as a reason for never hearing of bigs, when he has about 40 points more than Idra. And like someone above me said, biggs won Gamers Assembly and got second at EPS in 2012. What exactly has Idra done this year? The points are kind of void after you compare their opponents and tournaments against each other. I don't have a single clue about those two tournaments. Those wins aren't on the same level as any of Idra's tournaments, so in my opinion you can't compare them to his showings at all. As I said, he's a fairly unheard of a player which usually means he shouldn't be the favored one.
Is MCSL on enough high level for you?
You also could start following some EU tournaments, too. Usually they are full of high quality amazing games, you actually can watch them for awesome gameplay, and not to see how hard will Idra fail.
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On May 03 2012 10:46 Soulrahj wrote:
European zvz is really good in general.
That didn't show good zvz from bigs. It showed idra being really dumb. He does this ling all in twice and both times bigs had banelings which is a free win vs that type of play. Just silly games, bigs played normal and good, idra played dumb and just made bizarre decisions.
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biGs has been playing so well recently, wp by him!!
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On May 03 2012 10:46 Azarkon wrote:
IdrA gives not a fuck about SC 2.
was like a tilt but this is more like a downward spiral
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By the way, I think IdrA might have decided not to build banelings as they played on EU, and with IdrA's attitude that if you have an disadvantage you've lost, he's not going to try ling bling micro on EU. Not that he couldn't at least have tried something serious, but I guess that explains his attitude.
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I am calling it right now. In next weeks matchup we will not see IdrA play for EG.
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Im calling it now ...... someone takes an island in this game. I know its bold but its gonna happen.
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On May 03 2012 10:49 tree.hugger wrote:
biGs has been playing so well recently, wp by him!!
He's been one of the biggest surprises this season. His ZvZ is also ridiculous. He also beat Ret, so he's definitely no slouch.
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ffs IdrA...
Anyways, props to biGs. He's been winning a lot in these team matches.
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biGs is definitely an underrated player, he's been showing good results in this team league
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Mana looked to be 100% safe and in control the whole game, WP.
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Oh this is too sweet, Idra getting 2- 0 by a foreigner. Just when you think he hit rock bottom, said bottom just got lower.
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On May 03 2012 11:05 RUS RO DAH!!! wrote:
Oh this is too sweet, Idra getting 2- 0 by a foreigner. Just when you think he hit rock bottom, said bottom just got lower.
no shame to lose vs a better player.
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On May 03 2012 11:05 RUS RO DAH!!! wrote:
Oh this is too sweet, Idra getting 2- 0 by a foreigner. Just when you think he hit rock bottom, said bottom just got lower.
Are you serious? You haven't been paying attention at all if you think that's rock bottom. IEM World Championships was probably rock bottom.
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Throwing in the DTs was overkill I feel.
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I feel dirty for watching that, just brutal. :S
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lol, it wasn't MAna so good, it's just Machine too bad.
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I really cant understand why people are supriced BiGs beat Idra. BiGs is an up an comming player he is on great form and beat alot of good players recently. Beating Idra was pretty much expected
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On May 03 2012 11:11 Dexington wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 11:05 RUS RO DAH!!! wrote:
Oh this is too sweet, Idra getting 2- 0 by a foreigner. Just when you think he hit rock bottom, said bottom just got lower. Are you serious? You haven't been paying attention at all if you think that's rock bottom. IEM World Championships was probably rock bottom.
Are you sure it wasn't getting destroyed by Alive 4-0 in under 30 minutes? Or being bent over by Cloud in EGMC? At least he beat Supernova at IEM.
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On May 03 2012 11:11 Dexington wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 11:05 RUS RO DAH!!! wrote:
Oh this is too sweet, Idra getting 2- 0 by a foreigner. Just when you think he hit rock bottom, said bottom just got lower. Are you serious? You haven't been paying attention at all if you think that's rock bottom. IEM World Championships was probably rock bottom.
His competition was a lot better or more well known at IEM. I haven't even heard of Biggs until now.
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On May 03 2012 11:18 RUS RO DAH!!! wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 11:11 Dexington wrote:On May 03 2012 11:05 RUS RO DAH!!! wrote:
Oh this is too sweet, Idra getting 2- 0 by a foreigner. Just when you think he hit rock bottom, said bottom just got lower. Are you serious? You haven't been paying attention at all if you think that's rock bottom. IEM World Championships was probably rock bottom. His competition was a lot better or more well known at IEM. I haven't even heard of Biggs until now.
BiGs has been featuring in clan wars for Mouz quite a bit lately. For some reason, every series I've seen of him playing has been ZvZ and he's won every single one of them. Might be a ZvZ specialist.
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On May 03 2012 11:18 RUS RO DAH!!! wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 11:11 Dexington wrote:On May 03 2012 11:05 RUS RO DAH!!! wrote:
Oh this is too sweet, Idra getting 2- 0 by a foreigner. Just when you think he hit rock bottom, said bottom just got lower. Are you serious? You haven't been paying attention at all if you think that's rock bottom. IEM World Championships was probably rock bottom. His competition was a lot better or more well known at IEM. I haven't even heard of Biggs until now.
Your lack of curiosity doesn't make biGs any less good, haha. If you haven't heard of biGs, it's because you haven't been paying much attention, nothing wrong with that, but it's hardly an argument!
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Wheat summoned up Morrow's career perfectly. *frantic golf clap*
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On May 03 2012 11:21 tree.hugger wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 11:18 RUS RO DAH!!! wrote:On May 03 2012 11:11 Dexington wrote:On May 03 2012 11:05 RUS RO DAH!!! wrote:
Oh this is too sweet, Idra getting 2- 0 by a foreigner. Just when you think he hit rock bottom, said bottom just got lower. Are you serious? You haven't been paying attention at all if you think that's rock bottom. IEM World Championships was probably rock bottom. His competition was a lot better or more well known at IEM. I haven't even heard of Biggs until now. Your lack of curiosity doesn't make biGs any less good, haha. If you haven't heard of biGs, it's because you haven't been paying much attention, nothing wrong with that, but it's hardly an argument!
Ok, whatever you say. Important thing is: Idra is playing terribly, his annoying fans are probably butthurt and haters like me are very happy.
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Wheat was thinking of ohana
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I loved that roach press. Lost 9 scvs. Counter hellions... roast probably double with a cloakshee behind
=) puma<3
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That one shot killed like 10 drones.
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On May 03 2012 11:26 RUS RO DAH!!! wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 11:21 tree.hugger wrote:On May 03 2012 11:18 RUS RO DAH!!! wrote:On May 03 2012 11:11 Dexington wrote:On May 03 2012 11:05 RUS RO DAH!!! wrote:
Oh this is too sweet, Idra getting 2- 0 by a foreigner. Just when you think he hit rock bottom, said bottom just got lower. Are you serious? You haven't been paying attention at all if you think that's rock bottom. IEM World Championships was probably rock bottom. His competition was a lot better or more well known at IEM. I haven't even heard of Biggs until now. Your lack of curiosity doesn't make biGs any less good, haha. If you haven't heard of biGs, it's because you haven't been paying much attention, nothing wrong with that, but it's hardly an argument! Ok, whatever you say. Important thing is: Idra is playing terribly, his annoying fans are probably butthurt and haters like me are very happy.
Am I dissapointed in Idra's recent performance? Sure. Does it make me want to come on here and talk shit about other players who are busting their ass just as hard to make a name for themselves? Nope.
Should you maybe grow up a little bit? Most likely.
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On May 03 2012 11:32 LingBlingMuta wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 11:26 RUS RO DAH!!! wrote:On May 03 2012 11:21 tree.hugger wrote:On May 03 2012 11:18 RUS RO DAH!!! wrote:On May 03 2012 11:11 Dexington wrote:On May 03 2012 11:05 RUS RO DAH!!! wrote:
Oh this is too sweet, Idra getting 2- 0 by a foreigner. Just when you think he hit rock bottom, said bottom just got lower. Are you serious? You haven't been paying attention at all if you think that's rock bottom. IEM World Championships was probably rock bottom. His competition was a lot better or more well known at IEM. I haven't even heard of Biggs until now. Your lack of curiosity doesn't make biGs any less good, haha. If you haven't heard of biGs, it's because you haven't been paying much attention, nothing wrong with that, but it's hardly an argument! Ok, whatever you say. Important thing is: Idra is playing terribly, his annoying fans are probably butthurt and haters like me are very happy. Am I dissapointed in Idra's recent performance? Sure. Does it make me want to come on here and talk shit about other players who are busting their ass just as hard to make a name for themselves? Nope. Should you maybe grow up a little bit? Most likely.
People like me exist because people like you exist.
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On May 03 2012 11:35 RUS RO DAH!!! wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 11:32 LingBlingMuta wrote:On May 03 2012 11:26 RUS RO DAH!!! wrote:On May 03 2012 11:21 tree.hugger wrote:On May 03 2012 11:18 RUS RO DAH!!! wrote:On May 03 2012 11:11 Dexington wrote:On May 03 2012 11:05 RUS RO DAH!!! wrote:
Oh this is too sweet, Idra getting 2- 0 by a foreigner. Just when you think he hit rock bottom, said bottom just got lower. Are you serious? You haven't been paying attention at all if you think that's rock bottom. IEM World Championships was probably rock bottom. His competition was a lot better or more well known at IEM. I haven't even heard of Biggs until now. Your lack of curiosity doesn't make biGs any less good, haha. If you haven't heard of biGs, it's because you haven't been paying much attention, nothing wrong with that, but it's hardly an argument! Ok, whatever you say. Important thing is: Idra is playing terribly, his annoying fans are probably butthurt and haters like me are very happy. Am I dissapointed in Idra's recent performance? Sure. Does it make me want to come on here and talk shit about other players who are busting their ass just as hard to make a name for themselves? Nope. Should you maybe grow up a little bit? Most likely. People like me exist because people like you exist.
I don't blindly follow the hive mind. Sure I am very disapointed in Idra at the moment, but to see you just act like a 12 year old boy is pretty disgusting.
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Missed idra-games Was he cheesed someway or just outplayed?
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On May 03 2012 11:36 Jarree wrote:Missed idra-games Was he cheesed someway or just outplayed?
He tried to all-in twice and failed both times. Very fast series.
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On May 03 2012 11:36 LingBlingMuta wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 11:35 RUS RO DAH!!! wrote:On May 03 2012 11:32 LingBlingMuta wrote:On May 03 2012 11:26 RUS RO DAH!!! wrote:On May 03 2012 11:21 tree.hugger wrote:On May 03 2012 11:18 RUS RO DAH!!! wrote:On May 03 2012 11:11 Dexington wrote:On May 03 2012 11:05 RUS RO DAH!!! wrote:
Oh this is too sweet, Idra getting 2- 0 by a foreigner. Just when you think he hit rock bottom, said bottom just got lower. Are you serious? You haven't been paying attention at all if you think that's rock bottom. IEM World Championships was probably rock bottom. His competition was a lot better or more well known at IEM. I haven't even heard of Biggs until now. Your lack of curiosity doesn't make biGs any less good, haha. If you haven't heard of biGs, it's because you haven't been paying much attention, nothing wrong with that, but it's hardly an argument! Ok, whatever you say. Important thing is: Idra is playing terribly, his annoying fans are probably butthurt and haters like me are very happy. Am I dissapointed in Idra's recent performance? Sure. Does it make me want to come on here and talk shit about other players who are busting their ass just as hard to make a name for themselves? Nope. Should you maybe grow up a little bit? Most likely. People like me exist because people like you exist. I don't blindly follow the hive mind. Sure I am very disapointed in Idra at the moment, but to see you just act like a 12 year old boy is pretty disgusting.
Okay, maybe not you specifically, but you gotta admit the Idra fanbase is probably the most annoying out there followed by Stephano's.
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EG needs to field LZGamer more, or at least promote him more. For a team that prides itself on publicity and good promotion, most of the community barely know who LZ is and would be surprised to find out that he is still on EG. Surely EG sees value in him, since he remained on the team while guys like Axslav and Strifecro got cut.
We all know Idra, Huk, Incontrol, Machine, Demuslim, Puma and JYP. LZ is like the dark templar of EG, no one see him ever. LZ 2012!
Sorry, just had to get that off my chest, as it always seemed peculiar to me.
Anyways, looks like mouz about to top EG tonight, despite Puma's best efforts.
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I think Morrow's time in Korea has shaken his confidence in holding early timing attacks. He used to be the absolute boss at dealing with this stuff.
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I think MorroW would've beaten Puma with terran.
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Well that was a slaughter.
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JYP's PvT winrate is horrible ... 21% in korea
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Thorzain spooning JYP to death 
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Wonder if JYP played Ryung, yet. That would be good for the winner % like to 25%.
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JYP's PvT isn't all that great, but Thorzain beating up yet another Korean Toss. Despite eating those storms, his usage of ghosts gave him the win. Always so clutch with the ghosts.
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Thorzain a monster in TvP atm. he have beat so many great protoss players recently
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On May 03 2012 11:40 RUS RO DAH!!! wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 11:36 LingBlingMuta wrote:On May 03 2012 11:35 RUS RO DAH!!! wrote:On May 03 2012 11:32 LingBlingMuta wrote:On May 03 2012 11:26 RUS RO DAH!!! wrote:On May 03 2012 11:21 tree.hugger wrote:On May 03 2012 11:18 RUS RO DAH!!! wrote:On May 03 2012 11:11 Dexington wrote:On May 03 2012 11:05 RUS RO DAH!!! wrote:
Oh this is too sweet, Idra getting 2- 0 by a foreigner. Just when you think he hit rock bottom, said bottom just got lower. Are you serious? You haven't been paying attention at all if you think that's rock bottom. IEM World Championships was probably rock bottom. His competition was a lot better or more well known at IEM. I haven't even heard of Biggs until now. Your lack of curiosity doesn't make biGs any less good, haha. If you haven't heard of biGs, it's because you haven't been paying much attention, nothing wrong with that, but it's hardly an argument! Ok, whatever you say. Important thing is: Idra is playing terribly, his annoying fans are probably butthurt and haters like me are very happy. Am I dissapointed in Idra's recent performance? Sure. Does it make me want to come on here and talk shit about other players who are busting their ass just as hard to make a name for themselves? Nope. Should you maybe grow up a little bit? Most likely. People like me exist because people like you exist. I don't blindly follow the hive mind. Sure I am very disapointed in Idra at the moment, but to see you just act like a 12 year old boy is pretty disgusting. Okay, maybe not you specifically, but you gotta admit the Idra fanbase is probably the most annoying out there followed by Stephano's.
IdrA's fanbase is the most annoying out there followed by Stephanos? wow people are really really dumb.. everytime i go into a thread its IdrA haters bashing him for 10 pages long and i might see 1 post somebody defending IdrA just saying his slumping, and his playing bad right now, what else is there to imply? You go into an IdrA stream/fanclub you mostly see bashing its quite annoying you ask me. People say IdrA's fans are annoying i think IdrA haters are the most annoying people on these boards and its true so sooooooo true...
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so happy to see thorzain continue to tear shit up. GG
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So much shit talk to EG every time they play a match... You guys wouldn't do this to Liquid if they lost games lol.
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On May 03 2012 11:41 Bagration wrote:
EG needs to field LZGamer more, or at least promote him more. For a team that prides itself on publicity and good promotion, most of the community barely know who LZ is and would be surprised to find out that he is still on EG. Surely EG sees value in him, since he remained on the team while guys like Axslav and Strifecro got cut.
We all know Idra, Huk, Incontrol, Machine, Demuslim, Puma and JYP. LZ is like the dark templar of EG, no one see him ever. LZ 2012!
Sorry, just had to get that off my chest, as it always seemed peculiar to me.
Anyways, looks like mouz about to top EG tonight, despite Puma's best efforts.
I hate to bash a person so directly, but I completely disagree. After watching LZ's stream, I came up with LZ being awful at the game, nowhere near any other EG player's level, not even the second worst player, AND he's a terrible person. He has a crap personality and does not deserve to be involved in eSports.
He doesn't even live at the EG house, nor does he commentate or anything. He is completely worthless to the team, and imo he doesn't even have the potential to reach the semipro level.
Hope EG kicks him asap.
IdrA needs an awesome Zerg practice partner, but practicing with LZ wouldn't help him at all. They have JYP and Puma, now IdrA needs a Zerg partner!
biGs dominated him today =/ although I'm a biGs fan XD
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I wish I could enjoy watching the matches but twitch is lagging so bad it is like a slide show. Not sure what the deal is, has been lagging randomly for the last month or so, and no it isn't my internet. Other streaming services are working fine.
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How did thorzain lose game 2? Somehow I totally missed the game o.O
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On May 03 2012 12:18 Shinta) wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 11:41 Bagration wrote:
EG needs to field LZGamer more, or at least promote him more. For a team that prides itself on publicity and good promotion, most of the community barely know who LZ is and would be surprised to find out that he is still on EG. Surely EG sees value in him, since he remained on the team while guys like Axslav and Strifecro got cut.
We all know Idra, Huk, Incontrol, Machine, Demuslim, Puma and JYP. LZ is like the dark templar of EG, no one see him ever. LZ 2012!
Sorry, just had to get that off my chest, as it always seemed peculiar to me.
Anyways, looks like mouz about to top EG tonight, despite Puma's best efforts. I hate to bash a person so directly, but I completely disagree. After watching LZ's stream, I came up with LZ being awful at the game, nowhere near any other EG player's level, not even the second worst player, AND he's a terrible person. He has a crap personality and does not deserve to be involved in eSports. He doesn't even live at the EG house, nor does he commentate or anything. He is completely worthless to the team, and imo he doesn't even have the potential to reach the semipro level. Hope EG kicks him asap. IdrA needs an awesome Zerg practice partner, but practicing with LZ wouldn't help him at all. They have JYP and Puma, now IdrA needs a Zerg partner! biGs dominated him today =/ although I'm a biGs fan XD
How is Lz a terrible person? He worked at the kingstoon booth at e3 a while ago and he also did some commentary for NASL season 2 in the beginning.
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On May 03 2012 12:26 trikshun wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 12:18 Shinta) wrote:On May 03 2012 11:41 Bagration wrote:
EG needs to field LZGamer more, or at least promote him more. For a team that prides itself on publicity and good promotion, most of the community barely know who LZ is and would be surprised to find out that he is still on EG. Surely EG sees value in him, since he remained on the team while guys like Axslav and Strifecro got cut.
We all know Idra, Huk, Incontrol, Machine, Demuslim, Puma and JYP. LZ is like the dark templar of EG, no one see him ever. LZ 2012!
Sorry, just had to get that off my chest, as it always seemed peculiar to me.
Anyways, looks like mouz about to top EG tonight, despite Puma's best efforts. I hate to bash a person so directly, but I completely disagree. After watching LZ's stream, I came up with LZ being awful at the game, nowhere near any other EG player's level, not even the second worst player, AND he's a terrible person. He has a crap personality and does not deserve to be involved in eSports. He doesn't even live at the EG house, nor does he commentate or anything. He is completely worthless to the team, and imo he doesn't even have the potential to reach the semipro level. Hope EG kicks him asap. IdrA needs an awesome Zerg practice partner, but practicing with LZ wouldn't help him at all. They have JYP and Puma, now IdrA needs a Zerg partner! biGs dominated him today =/ although I'm a biGs fan XD How is Lz a terrible person? He worked at the kingstoon booth at e3 a while ago and he also did some commentary for NASL season 2 in the beginning.
wut LZ is such a nice guy o.o i never heard anything bad about him
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On May 03 2012 12:18 Shinta) wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 11:41 Bagration wrote:
EG needs to field LZGamer more, or at least promote him more. For a team that prides itself on publicity and good promotion, most of the community barely know who LZ is and would be surprised to find out that he is still on EG. Surely EG sees value in him, since he remained on the team while guys like Axslav and Strifecro got cut.
We all know Idra, Huk, Incontrol, Machine, Demuslim, Puma and JYP. LZ is like the dark templar of EG, no one see him ever. LZ 2012!
Sorry, just had to get that off my chest, as it always seemed peculiar to me.
Anyways, looks like mouz about to top EG tonight, despite Puma's best efforts. I hate to bash a person so directly, but I completely disagree. After watching LZ's stream, I came up with LZ being awful at the game, nowhere near any other EG player's level, not even the second worst player, AND he's a terrible person. He has a crap personality and does not deserve to be involved in eSports. He doesn't even live at the EG house, nor does he commentate or anything. He is completely worthless to the team, and imo he doesn't even have the potential to reach the semipro level. Hope EG kicks him asap. IdrA needs an awesome Zerg practice partner, but practicing with LZ wouldn't help him at all. They have JYP and Puma, now IdrA needs a Zerg partner! biGs dominated him today =/ although I'm a biGs fan XD
That's why I am perplexed that he is on the team. EG has shown that they aren't afraid to cut players, but I have not seen LZ give EG any discernible benefit such as results or promotion. Clearly there is a reason why he is still on the team. My line of thought is that if the player is on your lineup, use him for something.
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Efin Thorzain.
So amazing.
Such a performance is so exciting.
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Props to Thorzain, does it again and helps Mouz retake top position in another teamleague heh.
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wow. awesome initial set of holds by thorzain with the upgrades and control securing his victory. Gratz!
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16 Vikings just tore shit up.
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On May 03 2012 12:29 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 12:18 Shinta) wrote:On May 03 2012 11:41 Bagration wrote:
EG needs to field LZGamer more, or at least promote him more. For a team that prides itself on publicity and good promotion, most of the community barely know who LZ is and would be surprised to find out that he is still on EG. Surely EG sees value in him, since he remained on the team while guys like Axslav and Strifecro got cut.
We all know Idra, Huk, Incontrol, Machine, Demuslim, Puma and JYP. LZ is like the dark templar of EG, no one see him ever. LZ 2012!
Sorry, just had to get that off my chest, as it always seemed peculiar to me.
Anyways, looks like mouz about to top EG tonight, despite Puma's best efforts. I hate to bash a person so directly, but I completely disagree. After watching LZ's stream, I came up with LZ being awful at the game, nowhere near any other EG player's level, not even the second worst player, AND he's a terrible person. He has a crap personality and does not deserve to be involved in eSports. He doesn't even live at the EG house, nor does he commentate or anything. He is completely worthless to the team, and imo he doesn't even have the potential to reach the semipro level. Hope EG kicks him asap. IdrA needs an awesome Zerg practice partner, but practicing with LZ wouldn't help him at all. They have JYP and Puma, now IdrA needs a Zerg partner! biGs dominated him today =/ although I'm a biGs fan XD That's why I am perplexed that he is on the team. EG has shown that they aren't afraid to cut players, but I have not seen LZ give EG any discernible benefit such as results or promotion. Clearly there is a reason why he is still on the team. My line of thought is that if the player is on your lineup, use him for something.
Maybe he's still contracted to be in the team. I figure when his duration in the contract is up as a member of EG, he'll be let go.
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On May 02 2012 13:30 ramask2 wrote:
I predict:
bigs > idra (2-0)
mana > machine (2-0)
morrow < puma (0-2)
Thorzain > JYP (2-1)
Mouz takes it 3-1
Right on sir.
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People consistently underestimate landed vikings, imo. They do a shitload of DPS.
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On May 02 2012 13:30 ramask2 wrote:
I predict:
bigs > idra (2-0)
mana > machine (2-0)
morrow < puma (0-2)
Thorzain > JYP (2-1)
Mouz takes it 3-1
Wow...
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On May 03 2012 12:41 FlyingTurtle wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 13:30 ramask2 wrote:
I predict:
bigs > idra (2-0)
mana > machine (2-0)
morrow < puma (0-2)
Thorzain > JYP (2-1)
Mouz takes it 3-1 Right on sir.
Hehe. Seriously I keep getting these online team leagues right and the official liquibets wrong
Congrats to Mouz for winning the match!
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Dammit Morrow, I expect more from you!!
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On May 03 2012 13:11 ibo422 wrote:
Dammit Morrow, I expect more from you!!
He lost to Puma, who is EG's ace. No shame in that
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On May 03 2012 12:46 ramask2 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 12:41 FlyingTurtle wrote:On May 02 2012 13:30 ramask2 wrote:
I predict:
bigs > idra (2-0)
mana > machine (2-0)
morrow < puma (0-2)
Thorzain > JYP (2-1)
Mouz takes it 3-1 Right on sir. Hehe. Seriously I keep getting these online team leagues right and the official liquibets wrong Congrats to Mouz for winning the match!
Nice prediction :D
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I'm so glad Idra lost. I want him to quit SC2.
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On May 03 2012 13:33 FlyingDike wrote:
I'm so glad Idra lost. I want him to quit SC2.
Enjoy the games. It is wasting energy to hate on people.
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On May 03 2012 13:42 Jisall wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 13:33 FlyingDike wrote:
I'm so glad Idra lost. I want him to quit SC2. Enjoy the games. It is wasting energy to hate on people.
Im pretty sure I wasted energy watching idras games :D
I never really like idra with all his qq but he was a scary player back then now I just feel bad for him
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So glad, that mouz hasn't bought some Code S/A koreans and is still sticking to their foreign players.
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On May 03 2012 13:33 FlyingDike wrote:
I'm so glad Idra lost. I want him to quit SC2.
I think if he wants to keep his image, quitting SC2 right now would be the best for him. Some naive people still consider him to be a top 10 foreigner even though he isn't even top 50. And I hope it won't take that much longer til his fanboys see this too.
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On May 03 2012 12:18 Shinta) wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 11:41 Bagration wrote:
EG needs to field LZGamer more, or at least promote him more. For a team that prides itself on publicity and good promotion, most of the community barely know who LZ is and would be surprised to find out that he is still on EG. Surely EG sees value in him, since he remained on the team while guys like Axslav and Strifecro got cut.
We all know Idra, Huk, Incontrol, Machine, Demuslim, Puma and JYP. LZ is like the dark templar of EG, no one see him ever. LZ 2012!
Sorry, just had to get that off my chest, as it always seemed peculiar to me.
Anyways, looks like mouz about to top EG tonight, despite Puma's best efforts. I hate to bash a person so directly, but I completely disagree. After watching LZ's stream, I came up with LZ being awful at the game, nowhere near any other EG player's level, not even the second worst player, AND he's a terrible person. He has a crap personality and does not deserve to be involved in eSports. He doesn't even live at the EG house, nor does he commentate or anything. He is completely worthless to the team, and imo he doesn't even have the potential to reach the semipro level. Hope EG kicks him asap. IdrA needs an awesome Zerg practice partner, but practicing with LZ wouldn't help him at all. They have JYP and Puma, now IdrA needs a Zerg partner! biGs dominated him today =/ although I'm a biGs fan XD
Idra loses zvz. Lzgamer's fault. Good to know.
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@wrong thread sry T.T
gosu mouz!
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On May 03 2012 12:18 Shinta) wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 11:41 Bagration wrote:
EG needs to field LZGamer more, or at least promote him more. For a team that prides itself on publicity and good promotion, most of the community barely know who LZ is and would be surprised to find out that he is still on EG. Surely EG sees value in him, since he remained on the team while guys like Axslav and Strifecro got cut.
We all know Idra, Huk, Incontrol, Machine, Demuslim, Puma and JYP. LZ is like the dark templar of EG, no one see him ever. LZ 2012!
Sorry, just had to get that off my chest, as it always seemed peculiar to me.
Anyways, looks like mouz about to top EG tonight, despite Puma's best efforts. I hate to bash a person so directly, but I completely disagree. After watching LZ's stream, I came up with LZ being awful at the game, nowhere near any other EG player's level, not even the second worst player, AND he's a terrible person. He has a crap personality and does not deserve to be involved in eSports. He doesn't even live at the EG house, nor does he commentate or anything. He is completely worthless to the team, and imo he doesn't even have the potential to reach the semipro level. Hope EG kicks him asap. IdrA needs an awesome Zerg practice partner, but practicing with LZ wouldn't help him at all. They have JYP and Puma, now IdrA needs a Zerg partner! biGs dominated him today =/ although I'm a biGs fan XD
while LZ might not be a top tier player he couldn't possibly have done worse than idra did...
also..how can you possibly know that LZ is "a terrible person"?
thing is you are probably another idra fanboy (most americans are) who can't stand the fact that he as the only real top tier american has fallen so far
but you can't possibly blame that on LZ i mean COME ON DUDE
and good job by mouz ofc beating the "best foreign team 2011" with ease Mouz FTW
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Now you can mix up machines and idras playing skills also. Both bad. 
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Prettty much lost all faith in IdrA having lost to biGs...
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On May 03 2012 20:54 Catatonic wrote:
Prettty much lost all faith in IdrA having lost to biGs...
biGs is a good player so I dont see why you would lose your faith in Idra for losing to biGs, losing to livezerg when Idra was at his peak is a thousand times worse than losing to biGs.
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On May 02 2012 13:30 ramask2 wrote:
I predict:
bigs > idra (2-0)
mana > machine (2-0)
morrow < puma (0-2)
Thorzain > JYP (2-1)
Mouz takes it 3-1
can you please predict some soccer for me ? damn perfect bet
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Idra just threw the game away on purpose - He won over losira and dominated zvz in korea when he practiced
I remember when he had 80% in zvz :/
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On May 03 2012 19:56 Champloo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 13:33 FlyingDike wrote:
I'm so glad Idra lost. I want him to quit SC2. I think if he wants to keep his image, quitting SC2 right now would be the best for him. Some naive people still consider him to be a top 10 foreigner even though he isn't even top 50. And I hope it won't take that much longer til his fanboys see this too.
I agree but there is much more to it than just results. Even if Idra would never get any good results any more he would probably still be worthwhile to have for his team simply because of fanbase and the attention he gets. Why quit if you can still get paid to do what you love and still have a chance at posting good results and improving your image?
Maybe he would ragequit if Zergs start losing everything because of imbalance though.
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+ Show Spoiler +On May 02 2012 22:45 KalWarkov wrote:
biGs 2-0 IdrA
MaNa 2-0 Machine
MorroW 1-2 PuMa
ThorZaiN 2-1 JYP
was 1 map away
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IdrA just doesn't seem to improve anymore =/, wonder what's up.
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On May 04 2012 03:15 Kevan wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 19:56 Champloo wrote:On May 03 2012 13:33 FlyingDike wrote:
I'm so glad Idra lost. I want him to quit SC2. I think if he wants to keep his image, quitting SC2 right now would be the best for him. Some naive people still consider him to be a top 10 foreigner even though he isn't even top 50. And I hope it won't take that much longer til his fanboys see this too. I agree but there is much more to it than just results. Even if Idra would never get any good results any more he would probably still be worthwhile to have for his team simply because of fanbase and the attention he gets. Why quit if you can still get paid to do what you love and still have a chance at posting good results and improving your image? Maybe he would ragequit if Zergs start losing everything because of imbalance though.
I just find it funny that he gets invited to sooooo many tournaments still. I mean bigs is a solid player, but he has 42% zvz. People give idra way too much credit, i don't understand all this "potential" that he has, nor do i understand why people are still rooting for him.
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On May 04 2012 03:44 Zorgaz wrote:
IdrA just doesn't seem to improve anymore =/, wonder what's up.
hes a bad player
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On May 03 2012 20:38 sVnteen wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 12:18 Shinta) wrote:On May 03 2012 11:41 Bagration wrote:
EG needs to field LZGamer more, or at least promote him more. For a team that prides itself on publicity and good promotion, most of the community barely know who LZ is and would be surprised to find out that he is still on EG. Surely EG sees value in him, since he remained on the team while guys like Axslav and Strifecro got cut.
We all know Idra, Huk, Incontrol, Machine, Demuslim, Puma and JYP. LZ is like the dark templar of EG, no one see him ever. LZ 2012!
Sorry, just had to get that off my chest, as it always seemed peculiar to me.
Anyways, looks like mouz about to top EG tonight, despite Puma's best efforts. I hate to bash a person so directly, but I completely disagree. After watching LZ's stream, I came up with LZ being awful at the game, nowhere near any other EG player's level, not even the second worst player, AND he's a terrible person. He has a crap personality and does not deserve to be involved in eSports. He doesn't even live at the EG house, nor does he commentate or anything. He is completely worthless to the team, and imo he doesn't even have the potential to reach the semipro level. Hope EG kicks him asap. IdrA needs an awesome Zerg practice partner, but practicing with LZ wouldn't help him at all. They have JYP and Puma, now IdrA needs a Zerg partner! biGs dominated him today =/ although I'm a biGs fan XD while LZ might not be a top tier player he couldn't possibly have done worse than idra did... also..how can you possibly know that LZ is "a terrible person"? thing is you are probably another idra fanboy (most americans are) who can't stand the fact that he as the only real top tier american has fallen so far but you can't possibly blame that on LZ i mean COME ON DUDE and good job by mouz ofc beating the "best foreign team 2011" with ease Mouz FTW
First off, watch his stream. I don't need to elaborate on what I said, he's the one who makes it obvious.
Secondly, I'm not an IdrA fan. I even stated that I'm a biGs fan...
Third, I don't blame LZ for IdrA losing? How could you make such a collaboration?... If you read carefully, I said that IdrA needs an awesome Zerg practice partner, and that if he were to practice with LZ, he wouldn't benefit. Nowhere there does it say that IdrA did practice with LZ and that that practice somehow hurt him.
It's annoying that you don't even read my comment correctly, and then you try to respond without having known any useful information to respond with.
IdrA is has a big personality. Everyone knows who he is, and if he changes now, it would change a lot of different things. He's also a very manageable person, and is well mannered a lot of the time. He's ill tempered, and that's why people bash him.
LZ is ill tempered, but he has no right to be. He has little knowledge of the game, as watching his stream, you can see that he does the wrong strategies with what he's scouted, he doesn't hotkey vital units, he misses silly things like first 5 minute drone production, etc, and yet he calls his opponents bad players from some previous encounter they've had.
He bashes opponents and even his own fans on stream, and it makes no sense. I didn't have anything against LZ until a lot of people I knew told me about him, then I saw it for myself.
May I remind you that this immature image comes with 0 accomplishments and 0 contribution. His tiny time spent as a personality doesn't count for anything.
Back to the topic though, I wish MorroW would have won ><
Not a huge MorroW fan but I've been biased against JYP and PuMa since they left TSL lol.
Oh well, just happy that mouz took it XD
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So many solid predictions lol.
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On May 04 2012 03:14 Facultyadjutant wrote:
Idra just threw the game away on purpose - He won over losira and dominated zvz in korea when he practiced
I remember when he had 80% in zvz :/
Neither of these things happened.
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On May 04 2012 08:35 Shinta) wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 20:38 sVnteen wrote:On May 03 2012 12:18 Shinta) wrote:On May 03 2012 11:41 Bagration wrote:
EG needs to field LZGamer more, or at least promote him more. For a team that prides itself on publicity and good promotion, most of the community barely know who LZ is and would be surprised to find out that he is still on EG. Surely EG sees value in him, since he remained on the team while guys like Axslav and Strifecro got cut.
We all know Idra, Huk, Incontrol, Machine, Demuslim, Puma and JYP. LZ is like the dark templar of EG, no one see him ever. LZ 2012!
Sorry, just had to get that off my chest, as it always seemed peculiar to me.
Anyways, looks like mouz about to top EG tonight, despite Puma's best efforts. I hate to bash a person so directly, but I completely disagree. After watching LZ's stream, I came up with LZ being awful at the game, nowhere near any other EG player's level, not even the second worst player, AND he's a terrible person. He has a crap personality and does not deserve to be involved in eSports. He doesn't even live at the EG house, nor does he commentate or anything. He is completely worthless to the team, and imo he doesn't even have the potential to reach the semipro level. Hope EG kicks him asap. IdrA needs an awesome Zerg practice partner, but practicing with LZ wouldn't help him at all. They have JYP and Puma, now IdrA needs a Zerg partner! biGs dominated him today =/ although I'm a biGs fan XD ´ while LZ might not be a top tier player he couldn't possibly have done worse than idra did... also..how can you possibly know that LZ is "a terrible person"? thing is you are probably another idra fanboy (most americans are) who can't stand the fact that he as the only real top tier american has fallen so far but you can't possibly blame that on LZ i mean COME ON DUDE and good job by mouz ofc beating the "best foreign team 2011" with ease Mouz FTW First off, watch his stream. I don't need to elaborate on what I said, he's the one who makes it obvious. Secondly, I'm not an IdrA fan. I even stated that I'm a biGs fan... Third, I don't blame LZ for IdrA losing? How could you make such a collaboration?... If you read carefully, I said that IdrA needs an awesome Zerg practice partner, and that if he were to practice with LZ, he wouldn't benefit. Nowhere there does it say that IdrA did practice with LZ and that that practice somehow hurt him. It's annoying that you don't even read my comment correctly, and then you try to respond without having known any useful information to respond with. IdrA is has a big personality. Everyone knows who he is, and if he changes now, it would change a lot of different things. He's also a very manageable person, and is well mannered a lot of the time. He's ill tempered, and that's why people bash him. LZ is ill tempered, but he has no right to be. He has little knowledge of the game, as watching his stream, you can see that he does the wrong strategies with what he's scouted, he doesn't hotkey vital units, he misses silly things like first 5 minute drone production, etc, and yet he calls his opponents bad players from some previous encounter they've had. He bashes opponents and even his own fans on stream, and it makes no sense. I didn't have anything against LZ until a lot of people I knew told me about him, then I saw it for myself. May I remind you that this immature image comes with 0 accomplishments and 0 contribution. His tiny time spent as a personality doesn't count for anything. Back to the topic though, I wish MorroW would have won >< Not a huge MorroW fan but I've been biased against JYP and PuMa since they left TSL lol. Oh well, just happy that mouz took it XD
IdrA has already stated he's only envolved in Starcraft 2 because that is where the money and opportunities are these days. He hates SC2 as he thinks the game is "shitty".
At this point, he's just waiting for HotS to arrive and hopefully bring a new level of balance to the game.
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