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00Visor
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
4337 Posts
May 03 2012 00:06 GMT
#81
On May 03 2012 07:56 ColtraneL wrote:
Even if it goes to ace Thorzain vs Puma, I'm not quite sure that Puma will have it. Polt is usually much better than Puma and Thorzain beat him 3-1 last time.

Yeah. Thorzain is on fire right now.
EG always manages to fail in clanleagues and I wouldnt be suprised to see 0-4.
Thorzain and Mana are strong favourites. Idra vs Bigs is a cointoss, I guess. Morrow and Puma seem to be evenly matched at the moment and in this matchup.
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
May 03 2012 00:17 GMT
#82
On May 03 2012 06:43 Xoronius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2012 06:29 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On May 03 2012 06:18 Xoronius wrote:
On May 03 2012 06:03 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On May 03 2012 04:53 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On May 03 2012 04:05 zedi wrote:
On May 03 2012 03:59 Xoronius wrote:
On May 03 2012 03:19 zedi wrote:
On May 03 2012 02:48 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On May 03 2012 02:44 ssg wrote:
[quote]
Bigs is a better player than Idra overall? LOL


...I'm guessing you don't have proof that Idra is better and are hoping your hearty laughs obscure the fact.


The burden of proof here kinda is on the other side >_< (I've never actually heard of this guy and after checking TLPD there's a reason for it...)


Funny that you are mentioning TLPD as a reason for never hearing of bigs, when he has about 40 points more than Idra. And like someone above me said, biggs won Gamers Assembly and got second at EPS in 2012. What exactly has Idra done this year?


The points are kind of void after you compare their opponents and tournaments against each other. I don't have a single clue about those two tournaments. Those wins aren't on the same level as any of Idra's tournaments, so in my opinion you can't compare them to his showings at all. As I said, he's a fairly unheard of a player which usually means he shouldn't be the favored one.


Your argument is "Idra has lost a lot to top-tier koreans and foreigners lately, therefore he should be ranked ahead of someone who has beaten a lot of mid/top-tier foreigners lately." It doesn't take a genius to see that this line of reasoning is illogical. If you're going to favor someone in a match you should have a general idea of their skill levels; popularity will not tell you how good a player is.

My problem is the number of people that rate Europeans to be some huge top-dogs because they win some European-only tournaments, and then they proceed to get knocked out in the first couple of rounds at an MLG or IPL. Or they'll be in pool-play for an NASL or Dreamhack, and get completely dominated by everyone in their group.

It's happened far too often for me to accept European-only tournaments as any kind of reasonable benchmark.


Can you name a specific case for that? Because I don´t really remember one. I think "hyped" euros mostly deserve the hype, they got, whereas new potential korean superstars often end up doing nothing, when they fall once (Sage for example).

Players like BeastyQT, Nerchio and Sjow come to mind. Although, I can't say Sjow gets overhyped, just that he's garnered a lot of prize money from European tournaments, and fallen flat in international ones.

Honestly, there's a huge slew of European players that have a ton of 1st place finishes in tournaments that are EU only, but end up in the bottom half at major LANs.


Hmm, I can´t really agree with that list. Nerchio has narrowly lost a ZvZ against a korean at dreamhack after defeating Naniwa and Hyun. The only IPL he ever attendet, he got second place, he was never in any NASL or MLG. Beasty did not attend any big tournament for ages as well, I think the last one was IEM Cologne, where he lost against Kas and MC, which is nothing to be ashamed of. And Sjow has strong results internationally, he beats most foreigners and loses against the most koreans.

I'm not arguing about why they don't have results. I'm saying that hyping players purely off of EU tournament results is not a good way to judge relative skill levels.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
IMLyte
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada714 Posts
May 03 2012 01:21 GMT
#83
biGs < IdrA
MaNa > Machine
MorroW = PuMa This is the Match to watch imo, either mouz brings it home or EG takes this to an ace match.
ThorZaIN > JYP
I'ma show you how great I am ~ Muhammed Ali
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37025 Posts
May 03 2012 01:24 GMT
#84
LET'S DO THIS EG!!!
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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ibo422
Profile Joined April 2012
Belgium2844 Posts
May 03 2012 01:27 GMT
#85
that poll must be broken
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-03 01:32:30
May 03 2012 01:31 GMT
#86
IdrA starting it off with the super greedy build on Dual Sight.
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-03 01:34:20
May 03 2012 01:33 GMT
#87
IdrA GGs after his zergling attack failed ...
ibo422
Profile Joined April 2012
Belgium2844 Posts
May 03 2012 01:33 GMT
#88
oh boy..
Kiarip
Profile Joined August 2008
United States1835 Posts
May 03 2012 01:33 GMT
#89
IdrA is a hero!
Theovide
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden914 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-03 01:35:08
May 03 2012 01:34 GMT
#90
ROFL WTFFFFFFFFFFFFF

That was just, ehm, idiotic. IdrA though about that as a ling allin, but bigs defended it by building lings too=IdrA is not behind (in fact he was ahead/even).
simmeh
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada2511 Posts
May 03 2012 01:34 GMT
#91
o_o

gg...
byah!
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9642 Posts
May 03 2012 01:34 GMT
#92
Why idra why
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Apollo_Shards
Profile Joined February 2011
1210 Posts
May 03 2012 01:34 GMT
#93
Why Idra. Why.
Jaedong, sOs, avilo, MaSa, Oprah
gullberg
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Sweden1301 Posts
May 03 2012 01:34 GMT
#94
Idra doing his thing I guess
DaCruise
Profile Joined July 2010
Denmark2457 Posts
May 03 2012 01:34 GMT
#95
IdrA should really take a break from this game imo. He obviously doesnt like to play it anymore.
Chewbacca.
Profile Joined January 2011
United States3634 Posts
May 03 2012 01:34 GMT
#96
:-\ He clearly loses if Biggs decides to attack given Idra doesn't have a banenest...but alteast wait to make sure he is going to attack after holding off the aggression.
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
May 03 2012 01:34 GMT
#97
Okay, you cannot argue that Idra had lost that game.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
Kiarip
Profile Joined August 2008
United States1835 Posts
May 03 2012 01:35 GMT
#98
was he ahead on drones? caz the supply was even
Ranir
Profile Joined June 2011
413 Posts
May 03 2012 01:35 GMT
#99
gg idra vs bigs, sick game
HyDrA_solic
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Portugal491 Posts
May 03 2012 01:35 GMT
#100
It's amazing. He does this, and it's loved. He doesn't even try..
It's all about the reflections of freedom. Even though he hoped for a better world, with all his strenght, all his will, the most he could do was to make her smile.
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