On April 30 2012 03:02 Liquid`Ret wrote: i feel i didnt really mess up tbh, at some point u need a 5th base but if you move towards it u can lose all ur bls, maybe if i have 8 infestors and get perfect fungals then i can stop blinks before they happen (?) but normally as soon as u see the army the stalkers blink so u can fungal them but they are already under your bl's
Isn't this why you always need some ground support? To make him actually pay for blinking under your broodlords. He's gonna be focussing the broodlords so ling/roach can clean it all up quite quickly. I understand that this will have an effect on the amount of broodlords.
You played well anyway, I'm just always sad to see you lose because we all know what you can do.
On April 30 2012 04:07 Ylrahc wrote: No, you play cheesy (or greedy which is a form of economical cheese) so you can end the match faster. You play safe when there is a lot on the line and you don't want to get "cheesed" or time-attacked.
well, if it's not an important game, sure. otherwise you'll generally want to play in a way that'll reduce variance, obviously chucking in occasional cheese to be less exploitable
Question is, he was leading 2 - 0 against a (in his opinion) weaker opponent in a cup for "only" (he could win more or less the same amount if he was streaming instead of participating, w/o actually having to win) 1000€. Was is, for Stephano, an important game ? I don't think so. Game 4 seemed to prove me right, he made a safer build and totally outplayed Lucifron in late game.
well, it wasn't really, esp given that he'd have the map choice in set 4 (and 5 if needed), i'm just talking in general
On April 30 2012 04:42 Ylrahc wrote: I've the feeling I've seen this match a million times on Daybreak with Stephano as the 3 bases zerg holding a protoss 2 bases all in and win Either there is something wrong with Daybreak, or protoss should start to search for another opening...
No, Titan had the win. His build hit at a timing when Stephano was very vulnerable - he was at 90 supply vs. 110 with BLINK STALKERS. That's an auto-win in the hands of a top Korean Protoss but Titan's micro failed.
MC stalkers micro makes me hard, no kidding You're right, so the thing that was wrong is the protoss, ok Still this kind o f game happens very often when Stephano & Daybreak are involved, Stephano must lose, but...it must be some kind of black magic
On April 30 2012 04:07 Ylrahc wrote: No, you play cheesy (or greedy which is a form of economical cheese) so you can end the match faster. You play safe when there is a lot on the line and you don't want to get "cheesed" or time-attacked.
well, if it's not an important game, sure. otherwise you'll generally want to play in a way that'll reduce variance, obviously chucking in occasional cheese to be less exploitable
Question is, he was leading 2 - 0 against a (in his opinion) weaker opponent in a cup for "only" (he could win more or less the same amount if he was streaming instead of participating, w/o actually having to win) 1000€. Was is, for Stephano, an important game ? I don't think so. Game 4 seemed to prove me right, he made a safer build and totally outplayed Lucifron in late game.
well, it wasn't really, esp given that he'd have the map choice in set 4 (and 5 if needed), i'm just talking in general
Okay, my misunderstanding.
He lost a game, deal with it. 1000$ is a lot of money, I don't think that he does this in 3 hours streaming
You'd be suprised...when he talks he gets 10k+, sometimes 15k+ viewers on his stream, spams advertising, imho he gets more than that...
you overestimates the amound of money advertising on a stream makes
Its not 1k in 3 hours but smth around 400 dollar seems realistic in my eyes. (based on information about the earnings TLO got on his 24h charity event) But you understimate the marketing bonus of winning such a tournament. Winning is always good, it pleases the sponsors, your clan and helps your reputation.
That two base blink stalker colossi timing is - wow. Screw the warp prism harass Titan, if you're able to get that out that fast with 5 full energy sentries it's not beatable.
On April 30 2012 04:57 sixfour wrote: titan's blink micro is pretty impressive. obv playing against someone with no mouse helps
Now you're the one trolling He played quite well, keeping his colossus alive, Stephano (again) was a bit too greedy saccing all his roaches while he could just have transitioned into something more effective while he was 4 base vs 2 (I saw a spire, infestors were an option too). Titan couldn't push as he would have been surrounded by roaches and his whole army would have died.
On April 30 2012 04:57 sixfour wrote: titan's blink micro is pretty impressive. obv playing against someone with no mouse helps
Pretty sure Stephano immediatly paused when the mouse was off. He also controlled his roaches all the time. When he tried to snipe the Colossus but titan pulled it back the last second, that was not bad control by Stephano lke Apollo claimed. It was just titan doing the right thing and Stephano being a little unlucky.
That's the thing I like with Stephano vs EU players, you make one mistake, it's over. He won't let you come back. Of course that makes his games sometimes one sided and lacking the entertaining feeling of a back & forth game, but it has the beauty of a job well done. Of couse, against top koreans, it's another story as they don't make these kind of mistakes
On April 30 2012 05:10 ZeromuS wrote: I honestly don't know how well Stephano will do the moment his roach max is completely figured out.
It seems to be how he wins most of his PvZs. :S
Well he has an extremly strong late game vs protoss as well with infestors / BLs, and does pretty good with 2 bases mutas as well, although he doesn't use mutas much in "serious" games. I don't know why, probably because he feels he is not skilled enough to pull it off against top protosses.
EPT
Either there is something wrong with Daybreak, or protoss should start to search for another opening...
