• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 23:57
CET 05:57
KST 13:57
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Finals Preview: Sweet Victory!12[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror6[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5
Community News
[BSL23] RO16 Group Stage14Weekly Cups (Nov 2-8): herO back on top?2Weekly Cups (Oct 26 - Nov 1): MaxPax, herO, Solar win0Weekly Cups (October 19-25): Clem triples first in 5.0.175Evil Geniuses - shutting down23
StarCraft 2
General
Serral's getting trashed by New Catsle's Mind Weekly Cups (Nov 2-8): herO back on top? Liquibets sc2 season 30 No more SC2 streamers on team liquid? StarCraft open world shooter announced at BlizzCon
Tourneys
soO & FanTaSy return! SC2 Kevin Scrim 4v4 (Nov 16) RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-22 Tasteless Time Warp: SC Evo Showmatch (May 25) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament iNu's Battles #22
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
Starcraft 2 Advance [G] How to playtest arcade maps [D] the control group Simple Questions/Answers
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 551 Robotic Revival Mutation # 550 Graveyard Shift Mutation # 549 Endless Sparkles
Brood War
General
List of top players active on ShieldBattery BW General Discussion [BSL23] RO16 Group Stage screpdb: new Starcraft reporting tool [BW] Looking for Clan Thread!
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL23] Ro16 Group C - Sunday 21:00 CET [BSL23] Ro16 Group A - Saturday 21:00 CET 2v2v2v2 Tournament Stage 1: Community Poll
Strategy
Infested Terran strategies in 2026 Nuke strategy worked in K-League 2026-11-09 50,000-Word Terran Builds Memo 2026-10-22 Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy)
Other Games
General Games
The PlayStation 5 Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile General RTS Discussion Thread
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25!
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
Trading/Investing Thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Dating: How's your luck? European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread US Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
Fan Club Resource Thread Reynor Fan Club The Flash Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
The time I organised my…
AssyrianKing
Why I built Repalyzer (1.1.…
BlueStar
Innovate or Game Over?
TrAiDoS
ShieldBattery on Mac
Kraekkling
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 16247 users

The GD Studio - The Arena - Page 15

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 13 14 15 16 17 18 Next All
Ylrahc
Profile Joined September 2011
France496 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-29 19:19:45
April 29 2012 19:18 GMT
#281
On April 30 2012 04:10 sixfour wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2012 04:07 Ylrahc wrote:
No, you play cheesy (or greedy which is a form of economical cheese) so you can end the match faster. You play safe when there is a lot on the line and you don't want to get "cheesed" or time-attacked.


well, if it's not an important game, sure. otherwise you'll generally want to play in a way that'll reduce variance, obviously chucking in occasional cheese to be less exploitable

Question is, he was leading 2 - 0 against a (in his opinion) weaker opponent in a cup for "only" (he could win more or less the same amount if he was streaming instead of participating, w/o actually having to win) 1000€. Was it, for Stephano, an important game ? I don't think so.
Game 4 seemed to prove me right, he made a safer build and totally outplayed Lucifron in late game.
Shadow and dust
Windwaker
Profile Joined February 2012
Germany1597 Posts
April 29 2012 19:19 GMT
#282
stephano made paella out of Lucifron
The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the iniquities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he, who in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother
sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11062 Posts
April 29 2012 19:19 GMT
#283
On April 30 2012 04:18 Ylrahc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2012 04:10 sixfour wrote:
On April 30 2012 04:07 Ylrahc wrote:
No, you play cheesy (or greedy which is a form of economical cheese) so you can end the match faster. You play safe when there is a lot on the line and you don't want to get "cheesed" or time-attacked.


well, if it's not an important game, sure. otherwise you'll generally want to play in a way that'll reduce variance, obviously chucking in occasional cheese to be less exploitable

Question is, he was leading 2 - 0 against a (in his opinion) weaker opponent in a cup for "only" (he could win more or less the same amount if he was streaming instead of participating, w/o actually having to win) 1000€. Was is, for Stephano, an important game ? I don't think so.
Game 4 seemed to prove me right, he made a safer build and totally outplayed Lucifron in late game.

well, it wasn't really, esp given that he'd have the map choice in set 4 (and 5 if needed), i'm just talking in general
p: stats, horang2, free, jangbi z: soulkey, zero, shine, hydra t: leta, hiya, sea
Cejotas
Profile Joined March 2011
Spain88 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-29 19:22:39
April 29 2012 19:21 GMT
#284
On April 30 2012 04:18 Ylrahc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2012 04:10 sixfour wrote:
On April 30 2012 04:07 Ylrahc wrote:
No, you play cheesy (or greedy which is a form of economical cheese) so you can end the match faster. You play safe when there is a lot on the line and you don't want to get "cheesed" or time-attacked.


well, if it's not an important game, sure. otherwise you'll generally want to play in a way that'll reduce variance, obviously chucking in occasional cheese to be less exploitable

Question is, he was leading 2 - 0 against a (in his opinion) weaker opponent in a cup for "only" (he could win more or less the same amount if he was streaming instead of participating, w/o actually having to win) 1000€. Was it, for Stephano, an important game ? I don't think so.
Game 4 seemed to prove me right, he made a safer build and totally outplayed Lucifron in late game.


He lost a game, deal with it. 1000$ is a lot of money, I don't think that he does this in 3 hours streaming.
Myt
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany318 Posts
April 29 2012 19:21 GMT
#285
On April 30 2012 04:10 Saiwa wrote:
Apollo is really good


They are both pretty good. Apollo shows his great gameknowledge like a boss and Semmler too is a lot better in casting as in talking to girls^^
Otolia
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
France5805 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-29 19:24:12
April 29 2012 19:23 GMT
#286
On April 30 2012 04:21 Myt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2012 04:10 Saiwa wrote:
Apollo is really good


They are both pretty good. Apollo shows his great gameknowledge like a boss and Semmler too is a lot better in casting as in talking to girls^^

He is french buddy, he doesn't need to talk to girls. But when he talks, Girls come !

PS : Pun inside
xrapture
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1644 Posts
April 29 2012 19:25 GMT
#287
It still irks me how little Zerg utilizes their race. They'll get a lead and then just build 10 ultras and a move them into a meat grinder.

I don't ever think I've seen a terran a move 10 thors into 100 zerglings and complain they suck.

If Stephano would have just instantly maxed on roach/ling/bane the game would have ended way sooner. Zergs still don't drop at all. How devastating would it have been to drop 30 lings into Lucifron's main?

If creep can be spread every 15 seconds why wasn't the entire map covered by the game's end?

How much easier would Stephano have won if he made a nydus network right outside of lucifrons 3rd and streamed units into it indefinitely?
Everyone is either delusional, a nihlilst, or dead from suicide.
revel8
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom3022 Posts
April 29 2012 19:29 GMT
#288
Nydus would be about ten times more effective if it would STFU when emerging. You'd think the Zerg would evolve one that was silent instead of screaming.
Shackadeemus
Profile Joined March 2011
Ireland247 Posts
April 29 2012 19:30 GMT
#289
4-2 to Stephano!
Pirate-bird ftw.
Ylrahc
Profile Joined September 2011
France496 Posts
April 29 2012 19:31 GMT
#290
On April 30 2012 04:19 sixfour wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2012 04:18 Ylrahc wrote:
On April 30 2012 04:10 sixfour wrote:
On April 30 2012 04:07 Ylrahc wrote:
No, you play cheesy (or greedy which is a form of economical cheese) so you can end the match faster. You play safe when there is a lot on the line and you don't want to get "cheesed" or time-attacked.


well, if it's not an important game, sure. otherwise you'll generally want to play in a way that'll reduce variance, obviously chucking in occasional cheese to be less exploitable

Question is, he was leading 2 - 0 against a (in his opinion) weaker opponent in a cup for "only" (he could win more or less the same amount if he was streaming instead of participating, w/o actually having to win) 1000€. Was is, for Stephano, an important game ? I don't think so.
Game 4 seemed to prove me right, he made a safer build and totally outplayed Lucifron in late game.

well, it wasn't really, esp given that he'd have the map choice in set 4 (and 5 if needed), i'm just talking in general

Okay, my misunderstanding.


He lost a game, deal with it. 1000$ is a lot of money, I don't think that he does this in 3 hours streaming

You'd be suprised...when he talks he gets 10k+, sometimes 15k+ viewers on his stream, spams advertising, imho he gets more than that...
Shadow and dust
revel8
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom3022 Posts
April 29 2012 19:32 GMT
#291
I have to say it is great to see the casters having such fun doing this.
Nerchio
Profile Joined October 2009
Poland2633 Posts
April 29 2012 19:39 GMT
#292
Titan could have taken that easily but he did too much forward blinks so he lost like 5 stalkers where he could lose none.
Progamer"I am the best" - Nerchio , 2017.
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-29 19:41:04
April 29 2012 19:40 GMT
#293
On April 30 2012 04:39 Nerchio wrote:
Titan could have taken that easily but he did too much forward blinks so he lost like 5 stalkers where he could lose none.


What's your prediction for the finals? How would you rate Titan's PvZ against Stephano's ZvP?
HowardRoark
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
1146 Posts
April 29 2012 19:40 GMT
#294
Boring all-in.
"It is really good to get the double observatory if you want to get the speed and sight range for the observer simultaneously. It's a little bit of an advanced tactic, and by advanced, I mean really fucking bad."
Nerchio
Profile Joined October 2009
Poland2633 Posts
April 29 2012 19:41 GMT
#295
4-1 or 4-2 for Stephano
Progamer"I am the best" - Nerchio , 2017.
revel8
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom3022 Posts
April 29 2012 19:41 GMT
#296
On April 30 2012 04:39 Nerchio wrote:
Titan could have taken that easily but he did too much forward blinks so he lost like 5 stalkers where he could lose none.


Are you still studying at School, Nerchio? Or are you full-time pro?
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
April 29 2012 19:42 GMT
#297
That was a build order win by Titan but his stalker control botched it.
Ylrahc
Profile Joined September 2011
France496 Posts
April 29 2012 19:42 GMT
#298
I've the feeling I've seen this match a million times on Daybreak with Stephano as the 3 bases zerg holding a protoss 2 bases all in and win Either there is something wrong with Daybreak, or protoss should start to search for another opening...
Shadow and dust
xrapture
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1644 Posts
April 29 2012 19:43 GMT
#299
On April 30 2012 04:40 HowardRoark wrote:
Boring all-in.


yes, from both players
Everyone is either delusional, a nihlilst, or dead from suicide.
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
April 29 2012 19:43 GMT
#300
On April 30 2012 04:42 Ylrahc wrote:
I've the feeling I've seen this match a million times on Daybreak with Stephano as the 3 bases zerg holding a protoss 2 bases all in and win Either there is something wrong with Daybreak, or protoss should start to search for another opening...


No, Titan had the win. His build hit at a timing when Stephano was very vulnerable - he was at 90 supply vs. 110 with BLINK STALKERS. That's an auto-win in the hands of a top Korean Protoss but Titan's micro failed.
Prev 1 13 14 15 16 17 18 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 5h 3m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RuFF_SC2 223
StarCraft: Brood War
GuemChi 1512
ProTech161
910 146
Leta 112
Snow 105
Barracks 82
Icarus 9
LuMiX 3
Britney 0
League of Legends
JimRising 688
Reynor57
Counter-Strike
fl0m3449
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox1086
Other Games
summit1g8042
WinterStarcraft330
C9.Mang0284
Maynarde123
NeuroSwarm89
ViBE54
Organizations
Other Games
BasetradeTV113
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• practicex 1
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• Pr0nogo 1
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Rush802
• Lourlo649
• Stunt104
Other Games
• Shiphtur162
Upcoming Events
The PondCast
5h 3m
KCM Race Survival
5h 3m
WardiTV Invitational
7h 3m
Lambo vs Shameless
Rogue vs uThermal
Percival vs YoungYakov
TBD vs GgMaChine
OSC
11h 3m
OSC
18h 3m
ArT vs MindelVK
MiniZergUA vs TBD
Shameless vs TBD
Ultimate Battle
1d 7h
OSC
1d 9h
OSC
1d 18h
ByuN vs MaxPax
herO vs Krystianer
Percival vs Shameless
LetaleX vs YoungYakov
Nicoract vs Gerald
GgMaChine vs ArT
CranKy Ducklings
2 days
IPSL
2 days
TerrOr vs IJ_Terran
rasowy vs Hazorath
[ Show More ]
BSL
2 days
TerrOr vs OyAji
UltrA vs Gosudark
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
IPSL
3 days
Art_Of_Turtle vs KameZerg
Radley vs George
BSL
3 days
Artosis vs Dewalt
Ret vs Tech
WardiTV Weekly
4 days
PiGosaur Cup
5 days
The PondCast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-11-11
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HCC Season 3

Ongoing

Acropolis #5
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4
International ShieldBattery League
Individual League
BSL Season 23
IPSL Winter 2026-27
Calamity Cup Div. A Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026

Upcoming

YSL S4
Sector 591
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
StarCraft2 Weekly Open Tournament 2026 Grand Finals
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Underdog Cup 2026 Div 2-3
PGL Bucharest 2027
BLAST Bounty Winter 2027
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.