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On April 25 2012 22:30 NightOfTheDead wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 21:55 Hassybaby wrote:On April 25 2012 21:54 ShAdZ_ZX wrote:On April 25 2012 21:50 iSunrise wrote:On April 25 2012 21:50 Fubi wrote:the better player didnt go through  The better player was clearly Taeja. What was your point again? Marineking beats Taeja comfortably in the first two games when Taeja is playing really well. Taeja beat Marineking comfortably when Marineking is playing terribly. I don't follow your logic? Taeja played well after losing quite badly MKP played bad after losing quite badly The better player did win MKP just had bad games. Take him rested BO 21 - he would crush Taeja twice the score. Taeja is not better player, just played better in last 2 games..
Better way of phrasing it: MKP has produced better results in the past, including in a Bo3 with Taeja this very same day. Taeja is far from being a bad player, but until he consistently outperforms MKP, we shouldn't call him better than someone with better results.
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On April 25 2012 22:32 Loxley wrote:Had a couple of minutes  ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Bj1fY.jpg)
Wow dude, that is awesome! Great work.
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This season has a very clear storyline: The Return of the Protoss
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On April 25 2012 22:32 Fionn wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 22:25 Haffi wrote:On April 25 2012 22:00 IMBAkorean wrote:
YEAROFLIQUID You can throw all your dirty dosh at random gooks, doesn't mean you should take the credit for their win. SlayerS 4 lyfe This is ironic since Slayers took Taeja, Coca, and Puzzle all from ZeNex.
Well, Zenex is a Korean based team though.
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On April 25 2012 22:31 Chunhyang wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 22:23 ReadySetFire wrote:On April 25 2012 22:17 Acritter wrote:On April 25 2012 22:15 Asha` wrote:
I wonder whether we'll see players start to eschew travelling to MLG's and stuff like that when they're still in the GSL.
I don't think it was the prime cause of MKP's collapse but I do think being tired and somewhat jetlagged after his NY trip may have been part of the reason why he fell apart quite so quickly.
Doubt it. MLG is a lot of money to pass up for such a small time commitment. "GSL is not important now" ~Mkp fanboys How did you get that from what he said?
Funny, didn't even notice his reply. I don't particularly like MKP. However, it's a good business decision to go to MLGs. The foreign community is very happy to offer large prize pools for tournaments that don't take very long. MKP is completely right in taking advantage of it.
Just because I don't like a player doesn't mean I can't think about them objectively.
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Damn. Wanted to see the PartinG games but didn't wake up for it... Alarm didn't go off
Can't watch VODs either as I'm not a premium user.
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how long does it usualy take before the Vods are uploaded? i missed Parting vs MKP and i NEED to watch it.
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On April 25 2012 22:24 Acritter wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 22:20 Fubi wrote:On April 25 2012 22:17 Acritter wrote:On April 25 2012 22:15 Asha` wrote:
I wonder whether we'll see players start to eschew travelling to MLG's and stuff like that when they're still in the GSL.
I don't think it was the prime cause of MKP's collapse but I do think being tired and somewhat jetlagged after his NY trip may have been part of the reason why he fell apart quite so quickly.
Doubt it. MLG is a lot of money to pass up for such a small time commitment. Are you trolling or is that sarcasm, cuz I can't tell. MLG is 5k, and that's IF you win, definitely not worth risking your chances at the most prestige tournament in the world. It's a weekend. That's an incredibly short amount of time. In addition, you get favorable placement in future MLG events. Korean players go to foreign events for the money. There's a lot of money to be had. I think you're overrating the importance of the GSL. Just because it's "the most prestig[ious] tournament in the world" does not make it as profitable as going to many smaller events. For example, look at Stephano. He's ranked so highly in earnings, and has never touched the GSL. That's because there's a lot of money to be had outside of it.
I don't disagree with you that there are more money in the foreign scene. I'm just disagreeing with you saying that MLG has good prize pool; as 5k definitely is one of the lower prize pool of any foreign tourneys.
Also, a weekend is a lot. The tourney itself is 3 days, but you have to remember it takes a day to pack up, get ready and fly there, and then takes another day to do the same to fly back and settle down. That is at least 5 days of practices that you lose. You only have like what, 2 weeks to prepare between your games? 5 days out of 2 weeks is a lot of practice time. And I'm not even counting things like jet-lag and physical exhaustion from travelling.
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Holy shit, I left when I saw Taeja getting absolutely demolished by MKP, so I thought Taeja would be going out since TheSTC's vT is pretty good, but this unexpected suprise is awesome! Taeja + PartinG through!! <3.
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On April 25 2012 22:30 NightOfTheDead wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 21:55 Hassybaby wrote:On April 25 2012 21:54 ShAdZ_ZX wrote:On April 25 2012 21:50 iSunrise wrote:On April 25 2012 21:50 Fubi wrote:the better player didnt go through The better player was clearly Taeja. What was your point again? Marineking beats Taeja comfortably in the first two games when Taeja is playing really well. Taeja beat Marineking comfortably when Marineking is playing terribly. I don't follow your logic? Taeja played well after losing quite badly MKP played bad after losing quite badly The better player did win MKP just had bad games. Take him rested BO 21 - he would crush Taeja twice the score. Taeja is not better player, just played better in last 2 games..
Probably not that bad. Taeja is very, very good, and deserved every win he got. MKP may have been exhaused, may have been tilted, but them's the breaks.
Zerg going out, Protoss doing well, tournaments happening one after the other, that stuff will happen. I'm just saying that players should roll with the punches and circumstances, and Parting and Taeja did that today, TheSTC and MKP didn't.
I'm a fan of: MKP, DRG, Nestea, Genius. Now that they're all out, sadly, I need someone to root for. Maru?
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Taeja i'm cheering for you man. Don't screw this up!
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On April 25 2012 22:35 trinxified wrote:Damn. Wanted to see the PartinG games but didn't wake up for it... Alarm didn't go off Can't watch VODs either as I'm not a premium user.
Ya done goofed
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On April 25 2012 22:31 Megabuster123 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 22:30 Acritter wrote:On April 25 2012 22:25 vndods wrote:On April 25 2012 22:24 Megabuster123 wrote:On April 25 2012 22:21 Acritter wrote:On April 25 2012 22:18 Megabuster123 wrote:
If Protoss wins this GSL I foresee a lot of Terran balance qq'ing. There already IS a lot of Terran balance qqing, if my ladder experience is anything to go by. I'd just like Blizzard to figure out a way to fix the problem Terran's had since beta with its early game being so much stronger than its late. Yeah, but now it's just regular QQ like every race goes through. But imagine every terran gets knocked out and we're left with PvP's in the Ro4? I don't want to be in the LR on that day. The thing is that Terran will still be OP in the eyes of the community xD. Terrans won't ever catch a break lol. I'm still pissed about the fact that it took Terrans something like a year after the game's release to figure out that BFH were really broken. That's why I'm not sympathizing with Terrans quite yet. I think there might be some answers the pros haven't dug out. You really shouldn't sympathize with anyone. Terrans will figure something out. Someone always does.
There was, as far as I can tell, no way for Zerg to deal with 5 Rax Reaper. The way the build worked made it literally unstoppable. It was set up to perfectly defeat Zergling/Spine/Queen play, and if a Roach switch occurred, it was perfectly situated to handle that with Marauders. Prior to the NUMEROUS Reaper nerfs, there was no way for Zerg to properly handle that composition. When Terrans lost, it was due to their own bad micro, not because the Zerg was playing particularly well. There are cases of complete and utter imbalance in this game, and that was one of them. I don't think any race right now is in the position Zerg was in back then, but if that ever turned out to be the case, I would sympathize with the race caught in such a horrible position. Sometimes, balance patches DO need to come through.
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On April 25 2012 22:37 Chunhyang wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 22:30 NightOfTheDead wrote:On April 25 2012 21:55 Hassybaby wrote:On April 25 2012 21:54 ShAdZ_ZX wrote:On April 25 2012 21:50 iSunrise wrote:On April 25 2012 21:50 Fubi wrote:the better player didnt go through The better player was clearly Taeja. What was your point again? Marineking beats Taeja comfortably in the first two games when Taeja is playing really well. Taeja beat Marineking comfortably when Marineking is playing terribly. I don't follow your logic? Taeja played well after losing quite badly MKP played bad after losing quite badly The better player did win MKP just had bad games. Take him rested BO 21 - he would crush Taeja twice the score. Taeja is not better player, just played better in last 2 games.. Probably not that bad. Taeja is very, very good, and deserved every win he got. MKP may have been exhaused, may have been tilted, but them's the breaks. Zerg going out, Protoss doing well, tournaments happening one after the other, that stuff will happen. I'm just saying that players should roll with the punches and circumstances, and Parting and Taeja did that today, TheSTC and MKP didn't. I'm a fan of: MKP, DRG, Nestea, Genius. Now that they're all out, sadly, I need someone to root for. Maru?
Parting of course. Dont you like the art of surgically dismantling terrans? If he can put up good fight vs Protoss, he deserves to win it all.
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Taeja and Hero both through! Go liquid ^^
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On April 25 2012 22:39 NightOfTheDead wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 22:37 Chunhyang wrote:On April 25 2012 22:30 NightOfTheDead wrote:On April 25 2012 21:55 Hassybaby wrote:On April 25 2012 21:54 ShAdZ_ZX wrote:On April 25 2012 21:50 iSunrise wrote:On April 25 2012 21:50 Fubi wrote:the better player didnt go through The better player was clearly Taeja. What was your point again? Marineking beats Taeja comfortably in the first two games when Taeja is playing really well. Taeja beat Marineking comfortably when Marineking is playing terribly. I don't follow your logic? Taeja played well after losing quite badly MKP played bad after losing quite badly The better player did win MKP just had bad games. Take him rested BO 21 - he would crush Taeja twice the score. Taeja is not better player, just played better in last 2 games.. Probably not that bad. Taeja is very, very good, and deserved every win he got. MKP may have been exhaused, may have been tilted, but them's the breaks. Zerg going out, Protoss doing well, tournaments happening one after the other, that stuff will happen. I'm just saying that players should roll with the punches and circumstances, and Parting and Taeja did that today, TheSTC and MKP didn't. I'm a fan of: MKP, DRG, Nestea, Genius. Now that they're all out, sadly, I need someone to root for. Maru? Parting of course. Dont you like the art of surgically dismantling terrans? If he can put up good fight vs Protoss, he deserves to win it all.
I'm iffy about rooting for him. Love his play [that stalker micro!], but I can't help but feeling that many of his fans are actually MKP antifans in disguise @_@.
NANIWA.
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Whoa?? Is that Wolf and Artosis???
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On April 25 2012 22:36 Fubi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 22:24 Acritter wrote:On April 25 2012 22:20 Fubi wrote:On April 25 2012 22:17 Acritter wrote:On April 25 2012 22:15 Asha` wrote:
I wonder whether we'll see players start to eschew travelling to MLG's and stuff like that when they're still in the GSL.
I don't think it was the prime cause of MKP's collapse but I do think being tired and somewhat jetlagged after his NY trip may have been part of the reason why he fell apart quite so quickly.
Doubt it. MLG is a lot of money to pass up for such a small time commitment. Are you trolling or is that sarcasm, cuz I can't tell. MLG is 5k, and that's IF you win, definitely not worth risking your chances at the most prestige tournament in the world. It's a weekend. That's an incredibly short amount of time. In addition, you get favorable placement in future MLG events. Korean players go to foreign events for the money. There's a lot of money to be had. I think you're overrating the importance of the GSL. Just because it's "the most prestig[ious] tournament in the world" does not make it as profitable as going to many smaller events. For example, look at Stephano. He's ranked so highly in earnings, and has never touched the GSL. That's because there's a lot of money to be had outside of it. I don't disagree with you that there are more money in the foreign scene. I'm just disagreeing with you saying that MLG has good prize pool; as 5k definitely is one of the lower prize pool of any foreign tourneys. Also, a weekend is a lot. The tourney itself is 3 days, but you have to remember it takes a day to pack up, get ready and fly there, and then takes another day to do the same to fly back and settle down. That is at least 5 days of practices that you lose. You only have like what, 2 weeks to prepare between your games? 5 days out of 2 weeks is a lot of practice time. And I'm not even counting things like jet-lag and physical exhaustion from travelling.
You forget the value of good placement in future MLG events. The more you play with them, the easier it is to land in the money. These guys are professionals, and made this decision for a reason: it makes them money. There are other pros who value high placement in events over their own pay, such as NaNiwa's training session prior to MLG Providence. However, these are not such pros. They value their income above all, which is a completely legitimate choice to make. It would be nice to see everyone focus on pure improvement, but... well, it's their job to make money. I can't criticize them for doing just that.
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On April 25 2012 22:34 sc2holar wrote:
This season has a very clear storyline: The Return of the Protoss
Starring:
The Protoss president, MC
The Protoss foreigner of hope, Naniwa
The Protoss that rules them all, PartinG
The Protoss that likes 2 base, Squirtle
The Protoss of Lodoss, Oz
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On April 25 2012 22:39 Acritter wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 22:31 Megabuster123 wrote:On April 25 2012 22:30 Acritter wrote:On April 25 2012 22:25 vndods wrote:On April 25 2012 22:24 Megabuster123 wrote:On April 25 2012 22:21 Acritter wrote:On April 25 2012 22:18 Megabuster123 wrote:
If Protoss wins this GSL I foresee a lot of Terran balance qq'ing. There already IS a lot of Terran balance qqing, if my ladder experience is anything to go by. I'd just like Blizzard to figure out a way to fix the problem Terran's had since beta with its early game being so much stronger than its late. Yeah, but now it's just regular QQ like every race goes through. But imagine every terran gets knocked out and we're left with PvP's in the Ro4? I don't want to be in the LR on that day. The thing is that Terran will still be OP in the eyes of the community xD. Terrans won't ever catch a break lol. I'm still pissed about the fact that it took Terrans something like a year after the game's release to figure out that BFH were really broken. That's why I'm not sympathizing with Terrans quite yet. I think there might be some answers the pros haven't dug out. You really shouldn't sympathize with anyone. Terrans will figure something out. Someone always does. There was, as far as I can tell, no way for Zerg to deal with 5 Rax Reaper. The way the build worked made it literally unstoppable. It was set up to perfectly defeat Zergling/Spine/Queen play, and if a Roach switch occurred, it was perfectly situated to handle that with Marauders. Prior to the NUMEROUS Reaper nerfs, there was no way for Zerg to properly handle that composition. When Terrans lost, it was due to their own bad micro, not because the Zerg was playing particularly well. There are cases of complete and utter imbalance in this game, and that was one of them. I don't think any race right now is in the position Zerg was in back then, but if that ever turned out to be the case, I would sympathize with the race caught in such a horrible position. Sometimes, balance patches DO need to come through.
i agree about the 5rax reaper, but sometimes its good to hestitate and wait out the meta-game before you patch.
just look at how PvZ has been for the past months, it seemed almost as if protoss was in a position similiar to Zerg vs 5rax reaper. Maps where too big for 3gate expo builds, and Zergs had figured out how to really punish FFE. It seemed hopeless, Stephano style roach aggression and mass mutalisk looked unstoppable. But then a few Hero(es) rised and showed the world how to prevail with great multitasking and sick timings.
5rax reaper was an extreme case since the game was very young (basicly just released) and i dont think we will ever see that kind of imbalance until the release of HotS
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