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Group D of  Iron Squid will be live on March the 28th with TotalBiscuit & Apollo and Pomf et Thud , here is the program:
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It is already the last group of this first edition of Iron Squid, the preceding group still brought an unexpected turn of event but will have especially reduced the hopes to see a foreigner making it through. From now on only two non Korean are still in the competition, German HasuObs and Polish Nerchio. It is useless to say that their task is expected to be at the very least complicated.
HasuObs, the German effectiveness
Captain of the Mousesports team, HasuObs is a player who is extremely respected by his pairs, but who is less recognized by the fans because of his very discrete nature. However the German is one of the veterans of the scene, and is powerful on the European scene. His style of play is precise and methodical and therefore very few strategies are able to get him off balance. The Protoss has however a true challenge which awaits him, he will have to face three of best Korean in the world. His best chance lies in the fact that for two among them - aLive and Leenock - the match up against Protoss is where they are the least at ease, the German will have to take advantage from it.
The Polish wiz kid
If he has for a long time marked the spirits more for his bad temper than his performances, the Polish is now clearly established like one of best Zerg out of Korea. Nerchio has showed that he was able to compete against the Koreans during the HSC IV. The Polish has the advantage of not having a true weak point, as a former random player, he has a very deep knowledge of each match-up. With such a group, Nerchio will have to play his maximum to hope to pass, because three Korean monsters are standing on its way. More at ease on Internet than far from at his place, Nerchio will be able to play the way he likes has thus a chance to be the foreigner which will come to defy Korean in the Ro8.
The most consistent player
Until one week ago, aLive had realized the prowess never to leave the GSL Code S, whatever the system, whatever the group in which he played, the Terran always survived. The last was also his best season as he reached the semi-finals. The player who signed with Fnatic at the beginning of the year and dropped to GSL Code A and now has to requalify for Code S. In spite of this day off, aLive is one of the toughest Terrans in Korea, and has good chance to get back in Code S. It is nevertheless wise to note that the Korean falls into a group with two from his compatriots playing Zergs, if Leenock is a Master of the match-up, NesTea showed more sign of concerns, the door is thus open for aLive.
The heir of the god of war
Leenock was revealed to the world’s eyes by winning the MLG Providence and then reaching the final of GSL Code S. Since then, he is awaited each event in which he attends and his opponents are better prepared to his particularly aggressive style. In spite of that, the Korean remains one of the Masters of ZvT and a good player of mirror matches. His problem always was against the disciples of Aiur, and with HasuObs for only Protoss, the FXO player is in a group that fits him rather well. The match against NesTea will be surely decisive, he will have to give his best to score a map to the genius of ZvZ.
The Zerg legend
Even if it was sometimes shadowed by his team mate even greater year, NesTea dominated the year 2011. He is today the only player to have won a GSL Code S without losing a single the map. After a difficult end of the year, the Zerg seeks to find his glory of the great time, and has in Iron Squid a perfect occasion to gain a first title out of Korea. First he obviously has to make it through by the qualification in a group where his compatriots will give him a hard time, NesTea is however largely able to dominate this group if he is in a great day.
This group is probably the closest call to make regarding who is going to make it through. It is likely that aLive could beat NesTea but lose to Leenock who would himself lose to NesTea, the map average would decide the players’ fate. The two foreigners still have a chance though.
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Nice that you are speeding up the tournament schedule a bit, cant wait for the full ro8 bracket.
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Nice so I can watch Nestea own some noobs at 2 events at the same time
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wow nerchio > leenock ! gogo nerchio
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Wow, Nerchio is destroying Leenock
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Wednesday is NesTea night.
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GG! Nerchios ZvZ amazing as always
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God, Nestea just keeps on raping alive xD
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seems like aLive got eliminated here, yet made the finals at IPL crushing Polt, MKP and NesTea.
I dont know about his matches against Leenock and Nerchio tho
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United States97276 Posts
Is there no rebroadcast tonight?
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Careful before we all dismiss aLive's TvZ+ Show Spoiler + He beat Nestea 3-1 at IPL 4 and is now in the finals.
Nerchio's win was certainly impressive.
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I think for future ironsquids, then need to reduce the time between group games.
It's such a small tournament and it takes 3 months to complete.
Why?
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NESTEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA. Hope he rapes his group so that I will be able to see him in Paris
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Should be a good show today, gogo Nerchio!
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NERCHIOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Last non-kor on this EPIC tournament sorry but i dont see @Hasuobs
,,I think for future ironsquids, then need to reduce the time between group games.
It's such a small tournament and it takes 3 months to complete.
Why,,
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Norway25712 Posts
Especially looking forward to Leenock v aLive today!
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Wow, watched Nerchio's games now in the rebroadcast, the second game was quite impressive! Great decision making, micro and positioning, Leenock didn't have a chance.
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On April 09 2012 19:27 Xercen wrote:
I think for future ironsquids, then need to reduce the time between group games.
It's such a small tournament and it takes 3 months to complete.
Why?
yeah, with so many tourneys going on it is easy to "forget" about ironsquid, and it's hard to get involved with it the same way you would a normal tourney, should of just had online qualifiers over a weekend and then main tourney over a weekend
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Really solid game by Nerchio against the IPL4 champion
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On April 10 2012 04:26 WhurreOdu wrote:
Really solid game by Nerchio against the IPL4 champion
He wasn't at the time this was recorded. I hardly think Nerchio is as good as NesTea either so I am taking these qualifiers with a grain of salt.
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Weird game by Alive. Very passive, yet didn't actually prepare for late-game with 4th base or tech.
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On April 10 2012 04:28 KvltMan wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 04:26 WhurreOdu wrote:
Really solid game by Nerchio against the IPL4 champion He wasn't at the time this was recorded. I hardly think Nerchio is as good as NesTea either so I am taking these qualifiers with a grain of salt.
Of course he isn't as good as NesTea, but that doesn't mean that upsets should be impossible. aLive played a bit weird and Nerchio took advantage and crushed him.
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Stupid question is this match live right now?...
Edit: or is it a recast?
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On April 10 2012 04:38 ashLoo wrote:
Stupid question is this match live right now?...
Edit: or is it a recast?
pre-recorded cast on english stream, live cast from replays on french stream (i think it's live cast there, not 100% sure)
but no rebroadcast, first time we see those matches
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On April 10 2012 04:42 StarVe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 04:38 ashLoo wrote:
Stupid question is this match live right now?...
Edit: or is it a recast? pre-recorded cast on english stream, live cast from replays on french stream (i think it's live cast there, not 100% sure) but no rebroadcast, first time we see those matches
In other words, this may have been played prior to IPL 4 this past weekend?
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On April 10 2012 04:38 ashLoo wrote:
Stupid question is this match live right now?...
Edit: or is it a recast?
games were played 1,5-2 months ago
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More like it. I don't like Nerchio's love-affair with roaches in ZvT.
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On April 10 2012 04:45 ashLoo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 04:42 StarVe wrote:On April 10 2012 04:38 ashLoo wrote:
Stupid question is this match live right now?...
Edit: or is it a recast? pre-recorded cast on english stream, live cast from replays on french stream (i think it's live cast there, not 100% sure) but no rebroadcast, first time we see those matches In other words, this may have been played prior to IPL 4 this past weekend?
There is no doubt it was played before IPL 4. Apollo wouldn't even find time to cast with TB even if they casted it after IPL 4, but I can't imagine even that is the case.
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Nerchio has the strangest map preferences. I've never seen another Zerg who loves Shakuras and regularly picks Calm because he likes it.
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United Kingdom38256 Posts
That scan timing haha.
Poor Nerchio losing 5 or so infestors off a vision check.
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That was a crazy game. I think Nerchio should have just tried to run in and kill those tanks when they were unsieged and killing those drones. He had to do something quickly, and that may have worked.
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United States97276 Posts
oh crap I didnt read the op correctly. I just assumed we were still on the Sunday/Wednesday schedule. lucky I saw it streaming. Thought it was just a rebroadcast O_o
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Hasuobs is out if he loses 0-2.
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@Failuobs is boos 
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Totalbiscuit always assumes the worst from us
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On April 10 2012 05:30 Shellshock1122 wrote:Totalbiscuit always assumes the worst from us
With good reason usually
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hasu 2 gate no probe production, 4 minutes in -.-
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This build by Hasu was good in GSL 1 on Steppes of War I guess...
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United States15275 Posts
Should I assume HasuObs doesn't care about these games? He's not even producing probes...
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I can't imagine Hasu willingly throws games to help Nerchio, Nerchio is like the only player he recently BM'd since forever.
But I have no idea what this was.
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United Kingdom38256 Posts
Nice of Hasu to make an effort...
glab TB and Apollo are fucking shredding him for it.
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Well, that was fun to watch...
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On April 10 2012 05:31 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 05:30 Shellshock1122 wrote:Totalbiscuit always assumes the worst from us With good reason usually
haha I'm not arguing it. I think you had a valid point to assume. I'm honestly shocked no one said it
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Wow, lost a lot of respect for Hasu... even if not just throwing, pathetic builds 0 entertainment very small chance of winning... LAME.
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Out of all people I wouldn't think Hasu would do something like throwing games...
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lol what happened? I missed it
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I'm so confused. Really didn't think Hasu was the kind of player who'd throw games like this, but there just doesn't seem to be any other explanation for this..
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That build probably would of actually worked fairly well against a lot of zergs. A lot of pro zergs don't do much scouting early game ZvP because protoss almost always FFE and if that wasn't scouted it would of been pretty hard to hold that without speed.
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On April 10 2012 05:34 xrapture wrote:
lol what happened? I missed it
Hasu went for proxy 2 gate in game 1, and 2 gate warp rush in game 2
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On April 10 2012 05:34 xrapture wrote:
lol what happened? I missed it
Nothing, that is kindda the controversy here.
HasuObs just practically GG'ed from the get go.
A 2gate proxy fail aswell as a 2gate stalker fail...
Sloppy...
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Why Hasuobs =(
tired? sick?
why did he do it, really want to know!
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I feel like dApollo is overreacting a LOT...
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What did I just watch? Does Hasu just not care?
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Ok serious question to any good zerg player, if you go hatch first and don't scout whatsoever, how often would you lose against this?
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i've said it before and i've said it again, apollo is the best caster in the scene hands down. not afraid to speak his mind and his calls are right 99% of the time.. props to TB too
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Also tons of respect for Apollo and TB for calling Hasu out on it and not just sugar coating it.
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Idk I can't see hasuobs just throwing games. He would have just forfeited if he didnt want to play. maybe he just loses to nerchio all the time and was just trying to cheese him out?
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I don't think Apollo is overacting.. that was shit. Fucking cheering for Hasu and he pulls that off. Lame.
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On April 10 2012 05:35 PraetorianX wrote:
I feel like dApollo is overreacting a LOT...
yes i totally agree
ofc its not ok by hasu but he has been one of the most mannered players ever since, and there is no point in talking him down like that without knowing anything about the circumstances or reasons for this to happen
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On April 10 2012 05:36 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Idk I can't see hasuobs just throwing games. He would have just forfeited if he didnt want to play. maybe he just loses to nerchio all the time and was just trying to cheese him out?
I also think this is the most probable explanation.
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wtf
those cups are going worst everyday
only kr are good eu/na cant beat them
thats kind of thinking outside kr
soo.....whats the reason to play sc2?
maybe let only kr play sc, hasu get real
do something else, sc2 is not 4 u
waste of time and funs time
bg sux
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It's not like Nerchio needed Hasu to play like this to win 2-0 anyway :D
If aLive wins now the group should be decided anyway (don't expect NesTea to lose to Hasu and he won't lose more than one ZvZ)
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On April 10 2012 05:36 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
Also tons of respect for Apollo and TB for calling Hasu out on it and not just sugar coating it.
Are you serious or troll? Just...wow...
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On April 10 2012 05:37 WhurreOdu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 05:36 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Idk I can't see hasuobs just throwing games. He would have just forfeited if he didnt want to play. maybe he just loses to nerchio all the time and was just trying to cheese him out? I also think this is the most probable explanation.
They weren't even good cheeses though. Hasu is a super cool guy, hopefully he comments on this. He probably has an explanation.
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I agree with you guys that 2 proxy gates is pretty silly but will work against hatchery first... but the second build if not scouted with drone actually crushes usual no gas play from zergs( he had like 6 stalkers vs my lings before speed even if i took gas quite early ) and if he microed better i feel like he could do something in 2nd game, at least i felt that i could lose it :D
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On April 10 2012 05:37 WhurreOdu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 05:36 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Idk I can't see hasuobs just throwing games. He would have just forfeited if he didnt want to play. maybe he just loses to nerchio all the time and was just trying to cheese him out? I also think this is the most probable explanation.
Then do a half decent cheese, like a proper 4gate or rake expand or hell even a cannon rush...
The cheeses he used had no chance of beating Nerchio, because if you're right and he plays Nerchio all the time he knows that Nerchio always early drone scouts...
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maybe he played this after the other games and knew he was out and nerchio needed a win to advance? foreigners pride? i dunno
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IF he did throw the games... Yawn, it's not the first time and it certainly won't be the last. Stuff like this happens, people usually try to make it less obvious though.
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oO why are you hating on hasu so much? he has statet multiple times how much he hates it when people throw games. this was some kind of mindgames that did not work out...
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Hasu has always been the embodiment of sportsmanship and professionalism, I just can't see him throwing games! And even less so just because Nerchio is a foreigner. They're not even on the same team and afaik they're not close either.
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On April 10 2012 05:38 Nerchio wrote:
I agree with you guys that 2 proxy gates is pretty silly but will work against hatchery first... but the second build if not scouted with drone actually crushes usual no gas play from zergs( he had like 6 stalkers vs my lings before speed even if i took gas quite early ) and if he microed better i feel like he could do something in 2nd game, at least i felt that i could lose it :D
You should be less good and then things would look closer to those of us who don't play Z/P enough to experience these situations! =p
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I lost a lot of respect, but for dApollo and TotalBisquit, they're just speculating and they are creating a bad reputation for HasuObs.
I think most people wouldn't even care about this if they didn't make such a fuss about it.
They should realize their responsibility as well known casters.
Some people will just adopt their opinion without thinking about it, which could be very bad for HasuObs.
I just can't believe dApollo and TotalBisquit are making such a drama out of nothing, I'm really disappointed.
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On April 10 2012 05:41 Wanna_be wrote:
I lost a lot of respect, but for dApollo and TotalBisquit, they're just speculating and they are creating a bad reputation for HasuObs.
I think most people wouldn't even care about this if they didn't make such a fuss about it.
They should realize their responsibility as well known casters.
Some people will just adopt their opinion without thinking about it, which could be very bad for HasuObs.
I just can't believe dApollo and TotalBisquit are making such a drama out of nothing, I'm really disappointed.
agreed
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On April 10 2012 05:38 Nerchio wrote:
I agree with you guys that 2 proxy gates is pretty silly but will work against hatchery first... but the second build if not scouted with drone actually crushes usual no gas play from zergs( he had like 6 stalkers vs my lings before speed even if i took gas quite early ) and if he microed better i feel like he could do something in 2nd game, at least i felt that i could lose it :D
Thanks for commenting! And well played against aLive, you almost got him.
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Maybe it was just mindgames. Play ultra cheesy on the first map, pick a large second map and hope he doesn't drone scout? Seems reasonable if only a little stupid.
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ok im glad nerchio won but seriously..hasu..what was that? a troll?
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Oh Leenock, Maka rax is pretty popular on this map...
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that was not a salvage.. burned down
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Oh please give us a macro game between aLive and Leenock T_T
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hasuobs mindgame didnt work out as expected, but people seem to prefer drama 
for those who do, i'd like to quote nerchio:
On April 10 2012 05:38 Nerchio wrote:
I agree with you guys that 2 proxy gates is pretty silly but will work against hatchery first... but the second build if not scouted with drone actually crushes usual no gas play from zergs( he had like 6 stalkers vs my lings before speed even if i took gas quite early ) and if he microed better i feel like he could do something in 2nd game, at least i felt that i could lose it :D
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United Kingdom38256 Posts
Lordy I am not fond of aLive in the slightest.
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Can't remember seeing Leenock lose to a 2rax
Getting a 17 pool and mining 200 gas didn't exactly help either...
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On April 10 2012 05:38 Nerchio wrote:
I agree with you guys that 2 proxy gates is pretty silly but will work against hatchery first... but the second build if not scouted with drone actually crushes usual no gas play from zergs( he had like 6 stalkers vs my lings before speed even if i took gas quite early ) and if he microed better i feel like he could do something in 2nd game, at least i felt that i could lose it :D
thx for commenting! I'd really like a statement by Hasu aswell. I like when casters speak their mind and say things as they are but that really felt like overreacting. A lot of people are gonna believe Apollo (and usually you're right doing so) and hate on Hasu, that could actually hurt his career and especially after what Nerchio said, I'm not convinced at all that he was throwing those games. Maybe it's because I'm a fan of Hasu, but I think it's even more so because of what I know about his personality and mindset. Throwing games just doesn't fit the picture.
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On April 10 2012 05:42 Flyingcookie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 05:41 Wanna_be wrote:
I lost a lot of respect, but for dApollo and TotalBisquit, they're just speculating and they are creating a bad reputation for HasuObs.
I think most people wouldn't even care about this if they didn't make such a fuss about it.
They should realize their responsibility as well known casters.
Some people will just adopt their opinion without thinking about it, which could be very bad for HasuObs.
I just can't believe dApollo and TotalBisquit are making such a drama out of nothing, I'm really disappointed. agreed
They didn't make nay drama.... they said what was on most peoples minds. Not once did they say it was for sure him throwing games, Merely stated that judging by the crappy choice of builds and lack of effort that it looks like it was a possibility. Which it is.
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Alive not making a lot of fans here and at IPL I presume. valid strategy nonetheless, it just feels ... disappointing to watch.
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On April 10 2012 05:47 Asha` wrote:
Lordy I am not fond of aLive in the slightest.
Why do you hate robots?
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On April 10 2012 05:49 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
They didn't make nay drama.... they said what was on most peoples minds. Not once did they say it was for sure him throwing games, Merely stated that judging by the crappy choice of builds and lack of effort that it looks like it was a possibility. Which it is.
Quite. Only here could we get blamed for questionable play. If you don't want to have the possibility of throwing games brought up then play properly.
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On April 10 2012 05:49 Necro)Phagist( wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 05:42 Flyingcookie wrote:On April 10 2012 05:41 Wanna_be wrote:
I lost a lot of respect, but for dApollo and TotalBisquit, they're just speculating and they are creating a bad reputation for HasuObs.
I think most people wouldn't even care about this if they didn't make such a fuss about it.
They should realize their responsibility as well known casters.
Some people will just adopt their opinion without thinking about it, which could be very bad for HasuObs.
I just can't believe dApollo and TotalBisquit are making such a drama out of nothing, I'm really disappointed. agreed They didn't make nay drama.... they said what was on most peoples minds. Not once did they say it was for sure him throwing games, Merely stated that judging by the crappy choice of builds and lack of effort that it looks like it was a possibility. Which it is.
They kept going on about how the admins have to decide how to act with players who throw games, that's as good as saying he threw the games.
I'm sorry, but they were going on about it for some minutes, I can't just overhear that.
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Maybe aLive also sabotaged Leenocks ramen?
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On April 10 2012 05:55 Wanna_be wrote:
They kept going on about how the admins have to decide how to act with players who throw games, that's as good as saying he threw the games.
I'm sorry, but they were going on about it for some minutes, I can't just overhear that.
Because if we'd just ignored it we'd have got called out for not addressing the concerns. Damned if we do, damned if we don't. We did NOT at any point say he DID throw the games, we said "if" and "might". The possibility is there. You suggesting we just ignore that?
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On April 10 2012 05:57 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 05:55 Wanna_be wrote:
They kept going on about how the admins have to decide how to act with players who throw games, that's as good as saying he threw the games.
I'm sorry, but they were going on about it for some minutes, I can't just overhear that. Because if we'd just ignored it we'd have got called out for not addressing the concerns. Damned if we do, damned if we don't. We did NOT at any point say he DID throw the games, we said "if" and "might". The possibility is there. You suggesting we just ignore that?
Well, why didn't you say in the broadcast of Group C that it is possible that Stephano threw his games against MMA on purpose, because he knew he had no chance to advance?
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On April 10 2012 06:00 Serinox wrote:
Well, why didn't you say in the broadcast of Group C that it is possible that Stephano threw his games against MMA on purpose, because he knew he had no chance to advance?
Because I knew for a fact that was false.
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On April 10 2012 05:57 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 05:55 Wanna_be wrote:
They kept going on about how the admins have to decide how to act with players who throw games, that's as good as saying he threw the games.
I'm sorry, but they were going on about it for some minutes, I can't just overhear that. Because if we'd just ignored it we'd have got called out for not addressing the concerns. Damned if we do, damned if we don't. We did NOT at any point say he DID throw the games, we said "if" and "might". The possibility is there. You suggesting we just ignore that?
No, I don't.
I understand that as a comentator, everything you say is weighted.
My problem was not that you said that he might be throwing games, but that you kept going on about something which was not clear(at least in my opinion).
You have to be spontaneous as a commentator, but you also have a responsibility, because you can easily destroy the reputation of a player(and I'm not saying you wanted to, as I don't think did).
So in short my problem was that it was too much and you were jumping on conclusions for quite some time(again, my opinion).
I just wanted to give feedback and in the heat of the moment, I exaggerated, but I think the my main point is still valid.
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I'm 100% behind TotalBiscuit and dApollo on this. This is concerning and it deserved to be addressed - it was. We'll see if there are any fallouts from this (probably none at all - which is perfectly fine), but TB and Apollo did their job.
Honestly I don't want to speculate too much. Hopefully Hasu explains himself. Maybe he was sick, maybe he was not on his normal setup.
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On April 10 2012 06:00 Serinox wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 05:57 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 10 2012 05:55 Wanna_be wrote:
They kept going on about how the admins have to decide how to act with players who throw games, that's as good as saying he threw the games.
I'm sorry, but they were going on about it for some minutes, I can't just overhear that. Because if we'd just ignored it we'd have got called out for not addressing the concerns. Damned if we do, damned if we don't. We did NOT at any point say he DID throw the games, we said "if" and "might". The possibility is there. You suggesting we just ignore that? Well, why didn't you say in the broadcast of Group C that it is possible that Stephano threw his games against MMA on purpose, because he knew he had no chance to advance?
I assume you mean against Jjakji, since he straight out forfeited against MMA?
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On April 10 2012 05:55 Wanna_be wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 05:49 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On April 10 2012 05:42 Flyingcookie wrote:On April 10 2012 05:41 Wanna_be wrote:
I lost a lot of respect, but for dApollo and TotalBisquit, they're just speculating and they are creating a bad reputation for HasuObs.
I think most people wouldn't even care about this if they didn't make such a fuss about it.
They should realize their responsibility as well known casters.
Some people will just adopt their opinion without thinking about it, which could be very bad for HasuObs.
I just can't believe dApollo and TotalBisquit are making such a drama out of nothing, I'm really disappointed. agreed They didn't make nay drama.... they said what was on most peoples minds. Not once did they say it was for sure him throwing games, Merely stated that judging by the crappy choice of builds and lack of effort that it looks like it was a possibility. Which it is. They kept going on about how the admins have to decide how to act with players who throw games, that's as good as saying he threw the games. I'm sorry, but they were going on about it for some minutes, I can't just overhear that.
They were talking about throwing games in general,the Naniwa situation etc. and what admins should do about, and even if they can do something about it. Only a smart part of that whole discussion had to do with Hasu...
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On April 10 2012 06:13 Bromazepam wrote:
I assume you mean against Jjakji, since he straight out forfeited against MMA?
He also didn't throw against JJakji, he got beat straight up by a ridiculously good TvZ player.
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aLive is going to advance! :D
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On April 10 2012 06:13 Bromazepam wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 06:00 Serinox wrote:On April 10 2012 05:57 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 10 2012 05:55 Wanna_be wrote:
They kept going on about how the admins have to decide how to act with players who throw games, that's as good as saying he threw the games.
I'm sorry, but they were going on about it for some minutes, I can't just overhear that. Because if we'd just ignored it we'd have got called out for not addressing the concerns. Damned if we do, damned if we don't. We did NOT at any point say he DID throw the games, we said "if" and "might". The possibility is there. You suggesting we just ignore that? Well, why didn't you say in the broadcast of Group C that it is possible that Stephano threw his games against MMA on purpose, because he knew he had no chance to advance? I assume you mean against Jjakji, since he straight out forfeited against MMA?
No I meant against MMA. Call it Forfeit if you like, but that could have happenend on purpose too. But TB just assured it wasn't and it was speculation/an example from my side anyway.
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Leenock you can't lose to captain boring =(
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Leenock fails, this probably means Nerchio doesn't make it, I don't think he can win against NesTea. At least we'll have one Zerg in the next round, but I'd have much preferred two for the sake of racial balance - and I also strongly prefer watching NesTea and Nerchio over aLive.
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aLive is certainly on a hot streak this year, especially if you ignore his horrendous one day performance in this season's GSL Code S Ro32.
Surprised that Leenock is basically out. What a stacked group.
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On April 10 2012 06:26 Asha` wrote:
Leenock you can't lose to captain boring =(
Yeah, that was just sad
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On April 10 2012 06:17 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 06:13 Bromazepam wrote:
I assume you mean against Jjakji, since he straight out forfeited against MMA? He also didn't throw against JJakji, he got beat straight up by a ridiculously good TvZ player.
Yeah, I wasn't saying that, I was trying to understand if he thought the forfeit were actually thrown away games.
On April 10 2012 06:22 Serinox wrote:
No I meant against MMA. Call it Forfeit if you like, but that could have happenend on purpose too. But TB just assured it wasn't and it was speculation/an example from my side anyway.
He forfeited because he couldn't find the time to play. All the detail are on the IS site.
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So this group basicly comes down to nestea vs nercio pretty much
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On April 10 2012 06:26 StarVe wrote: Leenock fails, this probably means Nerchio doesn't make it, I don't think he can win against NesTea.
wasting half of your army to kill a planetary when there's a timing attack incoming is very silly, i think it's safe to assume leenock threw that game away, so a korean would advance instead of nerchio.
+ Show Spoiler +
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Loved the aLive - Leenock series. Looking forward to Wednesday!
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On April 10 2012 06:27 Bagration wrote:
aLive is certainly on a hot streak this year, especially if you ignore his horrendous one day performance in this season's GSL Code S Ro32.
Surprised that Leenock is basically out. What a stacked group.
And you ignore all the zergs he lost to recently.
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1. Alive 3-1 6-4
2. Nerchio 2-2 5-4
3. Leenock 2-2 5-4
4. Nestea 2-1 4-2
5. Hasuobs 0-3 0-6
NesTea 2 0 Nerchio
Leenock 2 0 HasuObs
NesTea 0 2 Leenock
Nestea vs Hasuobs
Leenock is out regardless of his last two games (If I did it right).
No wait if Nestea loses 1-2 its three way tie.
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and you ignore that he has the best tvt and tvp right now
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alive doesn't have the best TvP right now... he played better at IPL 4, but overall MKP and Polt both have better TvPs than alive.
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On April 10 2012 06:42 CcCFlu wrote:
and you ignore that he has the best tvt and tvp right now
He always had good TvT and TvP.
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He is good but he is definitely not the best in tvt/tvp...
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On April 10 2012 06:27 Serinox wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 06:26 Asha` wrote:
Leenock you can't lose to captain boring =( Yeah, that was just sad
yes
On April 10 2012 07:18 SeaSwift wrote:
alive doesn't have the best TvP right now... he played better at IPL 4, but overall MKP and Polt both have better TvPs than alive.
jjajki as well.
aLive isnt even top 3 terran in my list.
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On April 10 2012 07:46 dragonborn wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 06:27 Serinox wrote:On April 10 2012 06:26 Asha` wrote:
Leenock you can't lose to captain boring =( Yeah, that was just sad yes Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 07:18 SeaSwift wrote:
alive doesn't have the best TvP right now... he played better at IPL 4, but overall MKP and Polt both have better TvPs than alive. jjajki as well. aLive isnt even top 3 terran in my list.
hard to call him top 3 since he's been faltering a little lately in a lot of online tournaments and didn't have the best showing in GSL. He's a pretty "boring terran" but he's still very good. he beat Leenock in the Fnatic Invitational 2-1 the last time they faced which was pretty recent and was 5-7 vs Leenock before today. He was used twice to snipe Leenock in teamleagues but that was a long time ago. The most lopsided result was the 3-0 stomp Leenock put on him when he was on absolute fire in November. It's not too much of a shock to see Leenock fall to aLive. They are about even right now with the way both players have been playing the last month or two. Hopefully Leenock is able to turn it on again. Worried about him in his Code S group. He has MMA, Squirtle and Nada. I don't know if he can beat MMA or Squirtle.
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What the heck was that from hasuobs? That looked like ladder trash.
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On April 10 2012 06:26 StarVe wrote: Leenock fails, this probably means Nerchio doesn't make it, I don't think he can win against NesTea. At least we'll have one Zerg in the next round, but I'd have much preferred two for the sake of racial balance - and I also strongly prefer watching NesTea and Nerchio over aLive.
Symbol already advanced too though 
On April 10 2012 09:51 Die4Ever wrote:
what is this epic music?
Music is by In Uchronia, which can be found @ http://www.youtube.com/user/inuchronia
The specific music played during breaks: In Uchronia - And Blood Shall Be Poured, youtube.com/watch?v=h0z2aRs4CAY
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This event is spread out way too much.
A single group shouldn't take 2 weeks to finish.
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On April 10 2012 06:41 Too_MuchZerg wrote:
1. Alive 3-1 6-4
2. Nerchio 2-2 5-4
3. Leenock 2-2 5-4
4. Nestea 2-1 4-2
5. Hasuobs 0-3 0-6
NesTea 2 0 Nerchio
Leenock 2 0 HasuObs
NesTea 0 2 Leenock
Nestea vs Hasuobs
Leenock is out regardless of his last two games (If I did it right).
No wait if Nestea loses 1-2 its three way tie.
U really think Nestea will lose a ZvZ vs Leenock? lol
Nestea is just gonna 4-0 the group
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On April 10 2012 14:15 eXeHephaistas wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 06:41 Too_MuchZerg wrote:
1. Alive 3-1 6-4
2. Nerchio 2-2 5-4
3. Leenock 2-2 5-4
4. Nestea 2-1 4-2
5. Hasuobs 0-3 0-6
NesTea 2 0 Nerchio
Leenock 2 0 HasuObs
NesTea 0 2 Leenock
Nestea vs Hasuobs
Leenock is out regardless of his last two games (If I did it right).
No wait if Nestea loses 1-2 its three way tie. U really think Nestea will lose a ZvZ vs Leenock? lol Nestea is just gonna 4-0 the group
Leenock beat Nestea at the blizzard cup. He's not bad at zvz and Nestea isn't as unbeatable as he used to. Nestea is still favored but don't count it out
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On April 10 2012 12:29 Urbz wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 06:26 StarVe wrote: Leenock fails, this probably means Nerchio doesn't make it, I don't think he can win against NesTea. At least we'll have one Zerg in the next round, but I'd have much preferred two for the sake of racial balance - and I also strongly prefer watching NesTea and Nerchio over aLive. Symbol already advanced too though
Yeah, I meant one Zerg from Group D.
And from HasuObs' post you can already guess the rest of the results and the player advancing, it's just a really unfortunate situation.
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You should say that this spoils something.
+ Show Spoiler +The Admins are to blame here. Letting a meaningless match play out, is ok-ish. But broadcasting it as 2nd and not informing the casters what Hasu told the admins, so they speculate if he just randomly forfeited ...
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On April 10 2012 12:57 Zzoram wrote:
This event is spread out way too much.
A single group shouldn't take 2 weeks to finish.
It's been speeding up alot now though, last of group D tomorrow and the coming weekend the quarterfinals, which will all be casted live in English aswell from now on.
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On April 11 2012 01:41 Urbz wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 12:57 Zzoram wrote:
This event is spread out way too much.
A single group shouldn't take 2 weeks to finish. It's been speeding up alot now though, last of group D tomorrow and the coming weekend the quarterfinals, which will all be casted live in English aswell from now on.
'Live' funny.. At least some quarterfinals are already played
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I am so baffled as to why this event is getting so little press. Keep it up guys!
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On April 11 2012 02:06 eXeHephaistas wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2012 01:41 Urbz wrote:On April 10 2012 12:57 Zzoram wrote:
This event is spread out way too much.
A single group shouldn't take 2 weeks to finish. It's been speeding up alot now though, last of group D tomorrow and the coming weekend the quarterfinals, which will all be casted live in English aswell from now on. 'Live' funny.. At least some quarterfinals are already played
I said live casting.
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Concerning the HasuObs - Nerchio matches :
"I fully understand the disappointment of the people who expected good games. There is no question about it, I definitely didn't play like I did vs Alive, Leenock or Nestea. Unfortunately some stuff happened before I actually played my match vs nerchio (scheduling issues, jetlag and so on) so I had to make a statement after yesterday's broadcast. I didnt want to offend the Iron Squid organisators and I hope everyone will tune in for the upcoming groupstage matches and playoffs!"
Dennis 'HasuObs' Shneider
We are aware that the order of broadcast does not reflect HasuObs's intentions, he never intended to give advantage to any other players. He offered great show on the other encounters, and even though last match vs Nerchio was not played to the fullest, we are looking forward working with him in the future since no IronSquid Tournament laws were broken and HasuObs showed great interest and professionalism in providing with his best playstyle during the rest of the group stage.
Fabian Garcia
General Manager
IronSquid LTD
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Nerchio always trolling HasuObs. I can understand his bm because it's very annoying if someone say you only can do 2 base all ins. Hasu is usually polite but Nerchio often break some rules and is bm.
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Almost time for the day of Nestea :D
His matches against Nerchio will be interesting
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On April 10 2012 12:57 Zzoram wrote:
This event is spread out way too much.
A single group shouldn't take 2 weeks to finish.
Yeah, agree with this. I like the tournament because a lot of great players are in it but the four months from start to finish is a tad ridiculous.
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live cast! awesome
edit: why do the casters keep pretending the hasuobs games were played in the same order broadcasted?
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nerchio hwaiting!! though i wouldn't be upset with nestea moving on either.
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I am afraid the latter is the case since its three Neaste's games today, final one vs Nerchio. Ohhh the climax!
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Still how much they talk about it Hasuobs cant advance to RO8.
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HasuObs crushes Leenock's army.
Don't think Leenock's late-game Zerg is his best trait
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On April 12 2012 04:32 Azarkon wrote:HasuObs crushes Leenock's army. Don't think Leenock's late-game Zerg is his best trait
Agreed. Leenock was a bit too capricious with his units, and losing his infestors consistently really hurt him.
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That means Leenock is out and cant advance to RO8 even if he wins 2-1
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On April 12 2012 04:34 DwmC_Foefen wrote:
Hasuobs is german right?
thats what TB just said and guessed
but: ya
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Not even 10 minutes, and it's already been a zany game.
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ill definitly try this on ladder as well...
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wow that was a REALLY entertaining game
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Always nice to see successful Nydus play once in a while.
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I really enjoy the music theme attributed to each player, check for In Uchronia if you like it too.
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lol, this series is crazy
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if Hasuobs win today against Nestea than probably Nerchio advance to next stage
mission impossible
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Leenock and Nestea get through hoepfully -_- Slender chance Nestea only lose to Leenock and Alive loses again <- i think....
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On April 12 2012 05:04 CeriseCherries wrote:
Leenock and Nestea get through hoepfully -_- Slender chance Nestea only lose to Leenock and Alive loses again <- i think....
Leenock is already eliminated.
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Not even fighting, bad behaivour imo
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What was Leenock's drone count at the end? Sub 50?
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lolol that was a crazy series
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On April 12 2012 05:12 Bagration wrote:
What was Leenock's drone count at the end? Sub 50?
I think HasuObs killed a bunch when he killed of the third. The casters didn't really notice it i think lol.
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They missed Leenock losing his 3rd... I wonder when will they notice, if at all.
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Leenock's ZvP is so bad. He's going to get rolled by Squirtle if he tries to pull this shit on him.
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interessting series.enjoyed it a lot
grats hasu
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On April 12 2012 05:16 Too_MuchZerg wrote:
Alive is not through yet
Nope he's not.
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Finally, we get to see Nestea perform his art
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On April 12 2012 05:02 aquasplash wrote:if Hasuobs win today against Nestea than probably Nerchio advance to next stage mission impossible
If Nerchio wins with NesTea, he will advance from 1st place, but it's highly doubtful.
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On April 12 2012 05:18 Motoorhead wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 05:02 aquasplash wrote:if Hasuobs win today against Nestea than probably Nerchio advance to next stage mission impossible If Nerchio wins with NesTea, he will advance from 1st place, but it's highly doubtful.
How exactly is it "highly doubtful"? Dimaga beat Nestea 2-1 at a time where Nestea was considered invincible.
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On April 12 2012 05:23 BlazeFury01 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 05:18 Motoorhead wrote:On April 12 2012 05:02 aquasplash wrote:if Hasuobs win today against Nestea than probably Nerchio advance to next stage mission impossible If Nerchio wins with NesTea, he will advance from 1st place, but it's highly doubtful. How exactly is it "highly doubtful"? Dimaga beat Nestea 2-0 at a time where Nestea was considered invincible.
DIMAGA beat Nestea 2-1. But yeah, I agree with you that Nerchio beating Nestea isn't impossible at all. Nerchio's ZvZ is excellent and it's online, where he has always been known to be a beast.
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LOL@hasuobs trying that shit against nestea
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NesTea surely has the edge, but still it's possible for Nerchio to make an upset.
If he does, the finals will be interesting: ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/flags/kr.png) MarineKing, MC, Symbol, MMA, Jjakji, aLive (or NesTea)
AND ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/flags/pl.png) Nerchio
Quite a challenge for a foreigner.
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On April 12 2012 05:33 stardog wrote:NesTea surely has the edge, but still it's possible for Nerchio to make an upset. If he does, the finals will be interesting: MarineKing, MC, Symbol, MMA, Jjakji, aLive (or NesTea) AND Nerchio Quite a challenge for a foreigner.
Mod edit: Spoilers/
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No spoilers please, I was avoiding reading his facebook to keep the last game exciting. Hasu shouldn't have spoiled it also.
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On April 12 2012 05:30 Taug wrote:
LOL@hasuobs trying that shit against nestea
What an annoying post.
It could have worked, it was just executed poorly.
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Wow, congrats Hasu, taking a game off Nestea. Good map pick
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Hm, not sure if Hasu had 100% secure way to avoid the draw, but Nestea is like whatever, next game. ^^
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these games have been very entertaining so far
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on more Hasuobs pls
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HasuObs in a good spot... He wins -> Nerchio advances?
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On April 12 2012 06:17 Azarkon wrote:
HasuObs in a good spot... He wins -> Nerchio advances?
Depends on the results of Nerchio vs NesTea and Leenock vs NesTea.
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BL/Infestors, the annoying march of the unbreakable army ...
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Ugh that was a horrible void ray transition :|
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how many gates does hasuobs have? his production seems sooo slow..
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Hello, DT killed hatch....
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On April 12 2012 06:33 hifriend wrote:
how many gates does hasuobs have? his production seems sooo slow.. fortunately nestea seems to think 30 drones is a good number.
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that was a boring game for how long it was
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Nestea - still has worse % winrate vs foreigners than vs Koreans. ^^ Amazing. WP by Hasu, could have won the series.
Korean Nestea: 102-52 (66.23%)
International N: 67-42 (61.47%)
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On April 12 2012 06:38 IMNasty wrote:
that was a boring game for how long it was
yup felt like the result of nestea wanting to play it safe and not take any chances
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funny group=)
i think hasu can be happy about that.beating leenock 2-1 and a loss against nestea is more than understandable.1-2 is ok.
now nerchio please
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now for some refreshing zvz, I think Nerchio will give Nestea a good series but ultimately I think Nestea takes it 2-0. He'll likely 2-0 Leenock too.
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On April 12 2012 06:35 happyness wrote:
Hello, DT killed hatch....
I know, dont worry, I dont miss things =D It wasn't important to drag attention towards it, bsaically it didn't matter. Its hard to cast over skype and not sitting next to each other!!
I saw it bro! glhf rest of the games
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lololol cheese chat
and NesTea with the perfect read on the cheese chat
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6pool vs 10pool
Nestea 1-0^^
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lol, leenock you snake >_>
people always do this shit on ladder, lovely conversation followed by cheese -_-
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OMG; Leenock pulling the reverse-HasuObs!1!1!! Fire up the drama machine!
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liquipedia even updated 1:0 for nestea 2 mins ago ^^
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On April 12 2012 06:45 Tsubbi wrote:
liquipedia even updated 1:0 for nestea 2 mins ago ^^ Most likely based on the French stream, which tends to be ahead, from what I've noticed in previous sessions.
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rofll now Mr Leenock neead 1year ban to all non-kor tournaments like Mr Naniwa rofllll ?
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...that was probably the exact situation w/ hasuobs and nerchio
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Wait can we get a Korean translator to tell us what they said?
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Rofl liquipedia has already updated as + Show Spoiler +Leenock losing the series 2-0, congrats to NesTea for advancing!
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another cheese game incoming
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ok, so when Naniwa throws games in Kr tourneys it's a huge deal, but when Kr do that in foreign tourneys it's ok.
great.
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On April 12 2012 06:48 sToFu wrote:
Wait can we get a Korean translator to tell us what they said?
"God I hope I don't end up like Naniwa"
"Nah bro you're good, this is zvz"
+ Show Spoiler +I don't know Korean at all
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I went for a quick break and the first game is already over, any super-fast summary?
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Let's be honest.
You can't prove that a 6 pool is throwing the game. It's a legitimate strategy in ZvZ.
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Just so you guys know, Liquipedia is updated according to the official stream that is the most ahead of the other, and for tonight until now it was the French stream, so if you don't want to be spoiled, you may want to wait a little while before checking the page.
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On April 12 2012 06:49 Xacez wrote:
I went for a quick break and the first game is already over, any super-fast summary?
Leenock threw games away.
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On April 12 2012 06:48 MuB wrote:
ok, so when Naniwa throws games in Kr tourneys it's a huge deal, but when Kr do that in foreign tourneys it's ok.
great.
But Leenock is so cuteeee.
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so if Nerchio beast NesTea 2-0 he is through
but what if he beats him 2-1? its 7-3 vs 6-4 in maps vs alive, with a loss in direct duel. who advances?
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On April 12 2012 06:39 figq wrote:
Nestea - still has worse % winrate vs foreigners than vs Koreans. ^^ Amazing. WP by Hasu, could have won the series.
Korean Nestea: 102-52 (66.23%)
International N: 67-42 (61.47%)
It's strange, but Nestea never really performed up to expectations abroad, other than at IPL 4. I guess the exhaustion just gets to him.
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Nestea and Leenock should get kicked out of the tourney, who cares if they are top players.
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Stephano and now Leenock seems to not understand what being a PRO gamer means.
really really bad
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On April 12 2012 06:49 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Let's be honest.
You can't prove that a 6 pool is throwing the game. It's a legitimate strategy in ZvZ.
Exactly. Leenock chose a cheese, but it is a viable strategy. This is what Naniwa should have done: Just 4 gate and do something. Noone honestly expects players to play their best when there's nothing on the line, just make the minimal required effort tho.
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Were the games useless for Leenock, or what? This kind of behaviour is quite irritating and unprofessional.
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On April 12 2012 06:51 MuB wrote:
Nestea and Leenock should get kicked out of the tourney, who cares if they are top players.
Why Nestea?!?!?
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On April 12 2012 06:52 NipponBanzai wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 06:51 MuB wrote:
Nestea and Leenock should get kicked out of the tourney, who cares if they are top players. Why Nestea?!?!?
he is too good i guess?^^
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Pretty lame, I expect more from korean pro's. They always talk about showing their fans good games (of course most of them would, but..).
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This was kinda disguisting, Leenock didn't even hide it at all he didn't give a fuck about the series... sigh.
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Nestea already trough
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oh wut
D:
Bah, that was probably a good zvz too
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I hope Nerchio advances to the group stage. I don't think he is as good as Stephano...yet, but he has proved that he can take down the occasional Korean, and I would love to see him get more opportunities to show his skill.
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Can anyone translate what they said?
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well that's disappointing, both leenock's play and no game 1 between nestea and nerchio. i don't even know who i want to win here tbh, they are both (or all 3 counting alive) awesome.
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On April 12 2012 06:55 Seiniyta wrote:
This was kinda disguisting, Leenock didn't even hide it at all he didn't give a fuck about the series... sigh.
At least he played his games unlike a certain other zerg.
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if nerchio loses its all korean top 8
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Let's hope Mr. Chae doesn't watch this.
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On April 12 2012 06:56 MuB wrote:
Can anyone translate what they said?
Leenock: I love causing drama on Team Liquid lol
NesTea: Well, it's not like you'll get banned
NesTea: You're not NaNiwa
Leenock: I know right, I love this Korean conspiracy! We have to stay ahead of foreigners somehow
NesTea: Thanks for the free wins by the way, need to make sure Nerchio doesn't advance
Leenock: No problem!
I may or may not actually understand Korean.
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On April 12 2012 06:58 Zane wrote:
At least he played his games unlike a certain other zerg.
still not professional
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On April 12 2012 06:58 Zane wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 06:55 Seiniyta wrote:
This was kinda disguisting, Leenock didn't even hide it at all he didn't give a fuck about the series... sigh. At least he played his games unlike a certain other zerg.
This was just a waste of time which could have gone to the next series where they were trying. Not that not playing at all is good either though. Both should be punished.
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On April 12 2012 06:59 MVTaylor wrote:Leenock: I love causing drama on Team Liquid lol NesTea: Well, it's not like you'll get banned NesTea: You're not NaNiwa Leenock: I know right, I love this Korean conspiracy! We have to stay ahead of foreigners somehow NesTea: Thanks for the free wins by the way, need to make sure Nerchio doesn't advance Leenock: No problem! I may or may not actually understand Korean.
Pure Gold :D
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but i saw a gg in the chatlog? that cant be right!
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Anyone else get a deja vu when they're talking about Nerchio having to win 2 games and the series to survive and knock out the third guy contesting for the qualifying spot? I'm sure the exact same thing was said earlier, possibly in this tournament?
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Is it technically possible that Nestea purposely loses to Nerchio here to eliminate aLive, who is likely to be a fiercer opponent than Nerchio in further rounds of the competition?
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Nothing quite like purple/red in a ZvZ.
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why would nestea purposely lose to let a forgeiner into top 8 and eliminate his fellow korean?
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Nerchio's ZvZ is quite good, very intelligent and calculated decision making.
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On April 12 2012 07:10 aintz wrote:
why would nestea purposely lose to let a forgeiner into top 8 and eliminate his fellow korean?
Because he wants to win?
Plus, Nerchio is Z, and the more Z, the merrier for "ZvZ Master but mediocre ZvT" Nestea.
Edit: Not that I'm questioning Nestea, I did formulate the hypothesis before the game started afterall. That's quite unlikely, but I think it's possible nonetheless.
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You see the difference in mechanics, though - Nerchio floating ~2.5k minerals during that fight.
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On April 12 2012 07:12 Azarkon wrote:
You see the difference in mechanics, though - Nerchio floating ~2.5k minerals during that fight.
Wasn't he maxed however?
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On April 12 2012 07:02 ZenithM wrote:
Is it technically possible that Nestea purposely loses to Nerchio here to eliminate aLive, who is likely to be a fiercer opponent than Nerchio in further rounds of the competition?
Don't think games are even casted in the same order they were played so I think not.
And Nestea will be 2nd in the group if he loses.. Meaning he has to play MMA (He does not want).
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On April 12 2012 07:03 Zane wrote:
Nothing quite like purple/red in a ZvZ.
the only situation where its hard to tell who was who was with the nydus. at all the other fights u can say because of position (at least without lings^^)
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Well, NesTea is a full-time pro, which Nerchio isn't. It would be strange if they had the same level of mechanics.
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On April 12 2012 07:14 Seiniyta wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 07:12 Azarkon wrote:
You see the difference in mechanics, though - Nerchio floating ~2.5k minerals during that fight. Wasn't he maxed however?
He was sitting at very high minerals most of the game.
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On April 12 2012 07:14 Seiniyta wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 07:12 Azarkon wrote:
You see the difference in mechanics, though - Nerchio floating ~2.5k minerals during that fight. Wasn't he maxed however?
Not during the fight, no.
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Noticable lag for NesTea, losing a ton of units not responding quickly enough. Still, wp by Nerchio, taking a macro game off Nestea isn't easy, no matter where he plays from.
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On April 12 2012 07:15 eXeHephaistas wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 07:02 ZenithM wrote:
Is it technically possible that Nestea purposely loses to Nerchio here to eliminate aLive, who is likely to be a fiercer opponent than Nerchio in further rounds of the competition? Don't think games are even casted in the same order they were played so I think not. And Nestea will be 2nd in the group if he loses.. Meaning he has to play MMA (He does not want).
Oh yeah, good point.
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On April 12 2012 07:11 ZenithM wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 07:10 aintz wrote:
why would nestea purposely lose to let a forgeiner into top 8 and eliminate his fellow korean? Because he wants to win? Plus, Nerchio is Z, and the more Z, the merrier for "ZvZ Master but mediocre ZvT" Nestea. Edit: Not that I'm questioning Nestea, I did formulate the hypothesis before the game started afterall. That's quite unlikely, but I think it's possible nonetheless.
i really doubt that a pro player would do something like that, not only because of sportsmanship but also because it doesn't seem right to trust in a tiebreaker situation like that. these type of group stages are really complicated with mapscores, direct results etc. and each tournament doing it a bit differently.
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Do we have any word on how the ro8 matchups will be determined? is it like 1st in group 1 plays 2nd in group 2 etc? or random?
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On April 12 2012 07:15 stardog wrote:
Well, NesTea is a full-time pro, which Nerchio isn't. It would be strange if they had the same level of mechanics.
Nerchio isn't full-time? Is he in school?
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CruiseR
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On April 12 2012 07:22 hifriend wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 07:15 stardog wrote:
Well, NesTea is a full-time pro, which Nerchio isn't. It would be strange if they had the same level of mechanics. Nerchio isn't full-time? Is he in school?
Yes, he started 1st year of college, and he cancelled his WCG participation a few monts ago due to school (slot went to Slider) so he's quite serious about this.
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On April 12 2012 07:22 hifriend wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 07:15 stardog wrote:
Well, NesTea is a full-time pro, which Nerchio isn't. It would be strange if they had the same level of mechanics. Nerchio isn't full-time? Is he in school?
Yes.
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Lol Nestea so good at splitting units.. He should try and play terran:D
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Nevermind, Nestea beat Nerchio anyway.
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Damn, was hoping that Nerchio would go through. At least it wasn't as disappointing as Boxer's elimination
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5 Terrans, 2 Zerg, 1 Protoss... and this is not even on GomTvT!
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Oh well, HasuObs comment on his game against Nerchio had spoiled that match anyway (not that I blame him under the circumstances). Just like the last group it was obvious what was going to happen in the final matches because of the drama going on.
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On April 12 2012 07:27 Purple Haze wrote:
Oh well, HasuObs comment on his game against Nerchio had spoiled that match anyway (not that I blame him under the circumstances). Just like the last group it was obvious what was going to happen in the final matches because of the drama going on.
And they didn't play on cloaked maps, so you could see the result by looking into match history. (im talking about Nerchio - NesTea one)
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Damnit I got distracted after the first game of the final set ended and then tuned back in for the last seconds of the 3rd game, what did I miss.
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aLive vs MC
MMA vs Puma
Nestea vs Jjakji
MKP vs Symbol
My thoughts: I think MC, MMA, Jjakji and MKP win trips to France.
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When are the ro8 games going to be aired?
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Lol these matchups were obviously hand chosen. MKP vs Symbol, MMA vs Puma, Nestea vs Jjakji..
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On April 12 2012 07:30 zefreak wrote:
Lol these matchups were obviously hand chosen. MKP vs Symbol, MMA vs Puma, Nestea vs Jjakji..
i doubt it and even if, i wouldnt care.
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Nestea going to paris for sure!
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oh, so ro8 is this week end (14 and 15)
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Woop, all Korean final. Guess im not watching iron squid anymore.
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On April 12 2012 07:33 Aosi wrote:
Woop, all Korean final. Guess im not watching iron squid anymore.
Goodbye then.
On April 12 2012 07:31 eXeHephaistas wrote:
Nestea going to paris for sure!
I don't know, Jjakji's TvZ is very strong. It could be close.
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On April 12 2012 07:29 Bagration wrote:
aLive vs MC
MMA vs Puma
Nestea vs Jjakji
MKP vs Symbol
My thoughts: I think MC, MMA, Jjakji and MKP win trips to France.
Stacked nice!
I got same.
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On April 12 2012 07:33 Aosi wrote:
Woop, all Korean final. Guess im not watching iron squid anymore.
All korean ro8.
I get the feeling you won't be watching many tournaments past the group stages anymore
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I hope MC makes it to Paris!
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On April 12 2012 07:33 Aosi wrote:
Woop, all Korean final. Guess im not watching iron squid anymore.
why do people always post this in every tournament thread? there's no need to announce it, we don't care that you're going to miss all the best games
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Norway25712 Posts
That was pretty fun. Some pretty weird games, and some pretty good games. Really surprised with Hasu's performance.
Oh, and thanks to the chat for being pretty chill all throughout.
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About Round of 8,
Matches were Draw randomly Seed #1 vs Seed #2 in order to avoid calculation from Players. that why you have those match-up and not :
A1 vs C2
B1 vs D2.
A2 vs C1
B2 vs D1.. etc..
I Hope you will enjoy it. !
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Woop, all Korean final. Guess im going to start watching iron squid now.
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I really like Symbol, looking forward to him playing MKP. Hopefully not a total steamroll. You can complain all you like about the 100% Korean Ro8 but thats a damn nice line up if you ask me.
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All Korean RO8 is kind of disappointing, but nice performance from IdrA, Ret and Nerchio going 2-2.
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United States1770 Posts
the final 4 players could be so epic
it could possibly be MC, Nestea, MKP, and MMA
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On April 12 2012 07:41 -Strider- wrote:
Woop, all Korean final. Guess im going to start watching iron squid now.
lol hell yea! Koreans own white dudes!
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On April 12 2012 08:00 m0ck wrote:
I spy TvTvTvT final
NesTea says...
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On April 12 2012 07:34 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 07:33 Aosi wrote:
Woop, all Korean final. Guess im not watching iron squid anymore. Goodbye then. I don't know, Jjakji's TvZ is very strong. It could be close.
+ Show Spoiler +
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On April 12 2012 08:19 Zealot Orgy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 07:34 Bagration wrote:On April 12 2012 07:33 Aosi wrote:
Woop, all Korean final. Guess im not watching iron squid anymore. Goodbye then. On April 12 2012 07:31 eXeHephaistas wrote:
Nestea going to paris for sure! I don't know, Jjakji's TvZ is very strong. It could be close. + Show Spoiler +
If anyone is stupid enough to listen to this guy(which i doubt concidering the bullshit you wrote in the IPL LR threads), the matches will be played live as they are getting broadcasted.
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On April 12 2012 08:22 Azuroz wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 08:19 Zealot Orgy wrote:On April 12 2012 07:34 Bagration wrote:On April 12 2012 07:33 Aosi wrote:
Woop, all Korean final. Guess im not watching iron squid anymore. Goodbye then. On April 12 2012 07:31 eXeHephaistas wrote:
Nestea going to paris for sure! I don't know, Jjakji's TvZ is very strong. It could be close. + Show Spoiler + If anyone is stupid enough to listen to this guy(which i doubt concidering the bullshit you wrote in the IPL LR threads), the matches will be played live as they are getting broadcasted.
Games are not played live and only be casted live.
+ Show Spoiler +This guy is right about the results
Go also look at the Nestea fanclub.
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Only 1 Protoss, but that is Iron Squid's fault for only inviting 1 decent Toss.
Both Zergs on one side of the bracket also. >_<
Ah well, should be good games nonetheless.
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Sucks that MC doesn't get any zergs to play again...well...at least MC vs nestea final would be awesome if it happened.
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Lol these matchups were obviously hand chosen. MKP vs Symbol, MMA vs Puma, Nestea vs Jjakji..
How so? Because MKP/MMA/Nestea don't face each other? Since they were #1 in their groups (along with MC), this is how it works...
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Hm the English rebroadcast has just seemed to have cut off mid-way through a HasuObs Vs Nestea game.
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Yeah, the English rebroadcast just died... Maybe it couldn't handle 3 consecutive series with Nestea?
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On April 12 2012 09:28 Olinim wrote:
Sucks that MC doesn't get any zergs to play again...well...at least MC vs nestea final would be awesome if it happened.
If that happens, all the terran fans will be crying like........
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Really intersting bracket, only one terran mirror in Ro8
Predictions: MC, MMA, Jjakji, MKP to advance
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On April 12 2012 07:45 illsick wrote:
the final 4 players could be so epic
it could possibly be MC, Nestea, MKP, and MMA
This would probably be the greatest semi-final lineup in SC2 history. So much star power.
But just our luck we'll probably end up with 4 terrans in Paris.
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On April 12 2012 15:58 cablesc wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 07:45 illsick wrote:
the final 4 players could be so epic
it could possibly be MC, Nestea, MKP, and MMA This would probably be the greatest semi-final lineup in SC2 history. So much star power. But just our luck we'll probably end up with 4 terrans in Paris.
It isn't that bad that Jjakji would advance since he is a beast, but sadly TvT is the area that he lacks in and 19/20 times I see MKP advancing over Symbol at the moment. aLive vs. MMA however would likely be more exciting than MMA vs. MC.
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On April 12 2012 08:22 Azuroz wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 08:19 Zealot Orgy wrote:On April 12 2012 07:34 Bagration wrote:On April 12 2012 07:33 Aosi wrote:
Woop, all Korean final. Guess im not watching iron squid anymore. Goodbye then. On April 12 2012 07:31 eXeHephaistas wrote:
Nestea going to paris for sure! I don't know, Jjakji's TvZ is very strong. It could be close. + Show Spoiler + If anyone is stupid enough to listen to this guy(which i doubt concidering the bullshit you wrote in the IPL LR threads), the matches will be played live as they are getting broadcasted.
Oh god this is so hilarious
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Where is the vod's of group D? i wanna see Nericho play
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