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On March 31 2012 17:03 xN.07)MaK wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 16:59 rothsbury wrote:
Regarding mules: yes the other races have their own benefits like larvae and warpgates/chrono, and in a "normal" game these mechanics are very balanced. The point that people are making is that in extreme situations like "pull all your workers and all-in" the mule mechanic becomes imbalanced. If both sides are reduced to like 5 workers, then the benefits of inject are minimal whilst the benefits of mules are huge. In the same way, when the map is almost mined out, mules are a total waste where as chrono boost and injects are still useful to remax instantly. Which one happens more often? 5 vs 5 workers in mid game or super late game with 200/200 battles?
Well, super late game the terran can sac SCVs to have a larger army supply, but it's a reasonable point. In other situations the other races are more powerful. I wasn't saying that the mule was imbalanced in the abstract but in certain situations it is imbalanced. It's also true that warpgates and injects can be imbalanced in other situations (like instant remaxing).
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Gah I wish Genius didn't wall at the nexus, scouting as zerg becomes a lot simpler.
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On March 31 2012 17:03 Inflicted_ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 17:02 SniXSniPe wrote:On March 31 2012 17:00 the`postman wrote:On March 31 2012 16:59 _Darwin_ wrote:On March 31 2012 16:58 the`postman wrote:On March 31 2012 16:56 GoSuChicken wrote:
Why is everyone whining about op terran? Curious came out way ahead, because he could just drone like crazy. Sc is so behind in income now... People are whining because SC literally pulled every single worker he had, failed his attack, and still stayed even for far too long, almost winning. he killed all but 8 workers of curious... plz stop whining it kills the thread I'm sorry if I killed the thread? Did you not think that that situation was ridiculous? Are we not allowed to comment on what happens in the games anymore? It's whining and it's annoying. I hate to say it, but if you aren't High Masters+ you really have no right to complain about said mechanics because it's quite apparent many of these QQ posts come from a lack of understanding the game. sC was never in a winnable position at that point. Curious had 2 hatcheries and 8 drones vs 1 SCV. It was like 50 Drones vs 27 SCVs by the time Curious was throwing his 3rd hatch. I wonder if 15 drones + 1 hatchery & having to defend against a ball of marines would be better than 8 drones + 2 hatcheries. Perhaps sC could've still had that game if he killed the hatchery and left.
Yeah I think that if he killed the hatch the "curve" of economy and recovery for Curious would have been a lot longer to rise. And it's not like it would have taken ages to kill the hatch, it was like 5 or 6 seconds of focus fire.
Anyway, I don't know why he didn't went tanks after that, especially after his first second push was cleaned, no way the subsequent pure bio pushes will work.
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On March 31 2012 17:05 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 17:05 babylon wrote:On March 31 2012 17:04 Shellshock1122 wrote:On March 31 2012 17:02 Jehct wrote:
Really don't see Curious beating Genius (if he doesn't do something retarded). I wonder who will be Startale's ace - Nani? Bomber? July? No idea who has the strongest vP at the moment.
Pretty amazing that ST still has 3 top tier players left O_O Bomber imo. July's vP is meh. Cant see nani being ace for Startale even if his vP is pretty good. ST will rely on Bomber They could alternatively just trust whatever Genius-sniper they have prepared. .... .... Will laugh if that's Virus.  I would love it if it was Virus
Yeah. Why not Virus? I think hes the best on ST after maybe Bomber and these days July and Parting.
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37095 Posts
Poll: Most Desirable 5th STQ player?NaNiwa (11) 41% Bomber (8) 30% Other (really? u better specfiy....) (3) 11% July (2) 7% SaSe (2) 7% Virus (1) 4% 27 total votes Your vote: Most Desirable 5th STQ player? (Vote): Bomber
(Vote): July
(Vote): Virus
(Vote): SaSe
(Vote): NaNiwa
(Vote): Other (really? u better specfiy....)
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wolf laugh =artosis laugh
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On March 31 2012 17:09 KhAmun wrote:
Gah I wish Genius didn't wall at the nexus, scouting as zerg becomes a lot simpler.
Come out as the ace (against a bad ZvPer), and risk being baneling busted...
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On March 31 2012 17:09 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 17:08 Fragile51 wrote:On March 31 2012 17:05 Shellshock1122 wrote:On March 31 2012 17:05 babylon wrote:On March 31 2012 17:04 Shellshock1122 wrote:On March 31 2012 17:02 Jehct wrote:
Really don't see Curious beating Genius (if he doesn't do something retarded). I wonder who will be Startale's ace - Nani? Bomber? July? No idea who has the strongest vP at the moment.
Pretty amazing that ST still has 3 top tier players left O_O Bomber imo. July's vP is meh. Cant see nani being ace for Startale even if his vP is pretty good. ST will rely on Bomber They could alternatively just trust whatever Genius-sniper they have prepared. .... .... Will laugh if that's Virus. I would love it if it was Virus I would laugh if it were NaNi/sase That would be awesome but I cant really see ST using a foreigner as an ace in the semis if they havent used them at all at this point
That's why i would laugh :p
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On March 31 2012 17:10 borny wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 17:05 Shellshock1122 wrote:On March 31 2012 17:05 babylon wrote:On March 31 2012 17:04 Shellshock1122 wrote:On March 31 2012 17:02 Jehct wrote:
Really don't see Curious beating Genius (if he doesn't do something retarded). I wonder who will be Startale's ace - Nani? Bomber? July? No idea who has the strongest vP at the moment.
Pretty amazing that ST still has 3 top tier players left O_O Bomber imo. July's vP is meh. Cant see nani being ace for Startale even if his vP is pretty good. ST will rely on Bomber They could alternatively just trust whatever Genius-sniper they have prepared. .... .... Will laugh if that's Virus. I would love it if it was Virus Yeah. Why not Virus? I think hes the best on ST after maybe Bomber and these days July and Parting.
I called him coming in as a joke last week since they basically never use him but he hasnt looked bad at all lately. I still think it'll be Bomber
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On March 31 2012 17:10 KillAudio wrote:
wolf laugh =artosis laugh
a lot of wolf's mannerisms and word use is similar to artosis's imo
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On March 31 2012 17:06 Hall0wed wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 17:02 SniXSniPe wrote:On March 31 2012 17:00 the`postman wrote:On March 31 2012 16:59 _Darwin_ wrote:On March 31 2012 16:58 the`postman wrote:On March 31 2012 16:56 GoSuChicken wrote:
Why is everyone whining about op terran? Curious came out way ahead, because he could just drone like crazy. Sc is so behind in income now... People are whining because SC literally pulled every single worker he had, failed his attack, and still stayed even for far too long, almost winning. he killed all but 8 workers of curious... plz stop whining it kills the thread I'm sorry if I killed the thread? Did you not think that that situation was ridiculous? Are we not allowed to comment on what happens in the games anymore? It's whining and it's annoying. I hate to say it, but if you aren't High Masters+ you really have no right to complain about said mechanics because it's quite apparent many of these QQ posts come from a lack of understanding the game. sC was never in a winnable position at that point. Curious had 2 hatcheries and 8 drones vs 1 SCV. It was like 50 Drones vs 27 SCVs by the time Curious was throwing his 3rd hatch (not to mention he took a macro hatch like 10 seconds after). Yes most QQ posts come from people who don't understand the game very well, but to say only high masters+ have the knowledge to complain about things is extremely ignorant and honestly one of the worst/most annoying arguments around.
I second this. who are u to determine the "sufficient game knowledge line" to be cut? some say diamond, some say master, some say high master, some say gm. You say high masters+, I say Korean GM. Point is, the game is played by lots of people and they all have rights to discuss.
na high master toss myself.
sorry for my poor english
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On March 31 2012 17:10 Seeker wrote:Poll: Most Desirable 5th STQ player?NaNiwa (11) 41% Bomber (8) 30% Other (really? u better specfiy....) (3) 11% July (2) 7% SaSe (2) 7% Virus (1) 4% 27 total votes Your vote: Most Desirable 5th STQ player? (Vote): Bomber
(Vote): July
(Vote): Virus
(Vote): SaSe
(Vote): NaNiwa
(Vote): Other (really? u better specfiy....)
Surely, RainBOw will come out!
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On March 31 2012 17:11 _Darwin_ wrote:a lot of wolf's mannerisms and word use is similar to artosis's imo
Who doesnt want to be more like artosis :D
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On March 31 2012 17:11 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 17:10 borny wrote:On March 31 2012 17:05 Shellshock1122 wrote:On March 31 2012 17:05 babylon wrote:On March 31 2012 17:04 Shellshock1122 wrote:On March 31 2012 17:02 Jehct wrote:
Really don't see Curious beating Genius (if he doesn't do something retarded). I wonder who will be Startale's ace - Nani? Bomber? July? No idea who has the strongest vP at the moment.
Pretty amazing that ST still has 3 top tier players left O_O Bomber imo. July's vP is meh. Cant see nani being ace for Startale even if his vP is pretty good. ST will rely on Bomber They could alternatively just trust whatever Genius-sniper they have prepared. .... .... Will laugh if that's Virus. I would love it if it was Virus Yeah. Why not Virus? I think hes the best on ST after maybe Bomber and these days July and Parting. I called him coming in as a joke last week since they basically never use him but he hasnt looked bad at all lately. I still think it'll be Bomber
ST will troll us and send out hack as their ace
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On March 31 2012 17:10 MrCon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 17:03 Inflicted_ wrote:On March 31 2012 17:02 SniXSniPe wrote:On March 31 2012 17:00 the`postman wrote:On March 31 2012 16:59 _Darwin_ wrote:On March 31 2012 16:58 the`postman wrote:On March 31 2012 16:56 GoSuChicken wrote:
Why is everyone whining about op terran? Curious came out way ahead, because he could just drone like crazy. Sc is so behind in income now... People are whining because SC literally pulled every single worker he had, failed his attack, and still stayed even for far too long, almost winning. he killed all but 8 workers of curious... plz stop whining it kills the thread I'm sorry if I killed the thread? Did you not think that that situation was ridiculous? Are we not allowed to comment on what happens in the games anymore? It's whining and it's annoying. I hate to say it, but if you aren't High Masters+ you really have no right to complain about said mechanics because it's quite apparent many of these QQ posts come from a lack of understanding the game. sC was never in a winnable position at that point. Curious had 2 hatcheries and 8 drones vs 1 SCV. It was like 50 Drones vs 27 SCVs by the time Curious was throwing his 3rd hatch. I wonder if 15 drones + 1 hatchery & having to defend against a ball of marines would be better than 8 drones + 2 hatcheries. Perhaps sC could've still had that game if he killed the hatchery and left. Yeah I think that if he killed the hatch the "curve" of economy and recovery for Curious would have been a lot longer to rise. And it's not like it would have taken ages to kill the hatch, it was like 5 or 6 seconds of focus fire. Anyway, I don't know why he didn't went tanks after that, especially after his first second push was cleaned, no way the subsequent pure bio pushes will work.
Wasn't that because he needed a lot of SCVs on minerals thus he didn't mine gas until much later?
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On March 31 2012 17:03 FuzzyJAM wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 17:00 the`postman wrote:On March 31 2012 16:59 _Darwin_ wrote:On March 31 2012 16:58 the`postman wrote:On March 31 2012 16:56 GoSuChicken wrote:
Why is everyone whining about op terran? Curious came out way ahead, because he could just drone like crazy. Sc is so behind in income now... People are whining because SC literally pulled every single worker he had, failed his attack, and still stayed even for far too long, almost winning. he killed all but 8 workers of curious... plz stop whining it kills the thread I'm sorry if I killed the thread? Did you not think that that situation was ridiculous? Are we not allowed to comment on what happens in the games anymore? The situation was no more ridiculous than Curious being able to make 10 workers at a time. People are silly.
No amount of larva would save a zerg with 1 drone and 15 minerals, same with protoss and chronoboost.
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On March 31 2012 17:12 Fragile51 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 17:11 _Darwin_ wrote:On March 31 2012 17:10 KillAudio wrote:
wolf laugh =artosis laugh a lot of wolf's mannerisms and word use is similar to artosis's imo Who doesnt want to be more like artosis :D
Carnivoroous creatures.
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On March 31 2012 17:09 KhAmun wrote:
Gah I wish Genius didn't wall at the nexus, scouting as zerg becomes a lot simpler.
Most protoss wall of at the nexus on this map nowadays. Walling at the wide ramp has become pretty dangerous.
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On March 31 2012 17:12 windsupernova wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 17:10 MrCon wrote:On March 31 2012 17:03 Inflicted_ wrote:On March 31 2012 17:02 SniXSniPe wrote:On March 31 2012 17:00 the`postman wrote:On March 31 2012 16:59 _Darwin_ wrote:On March 31 2012 16:58 the`postman wrote:On March 31 2012 16:56 GoSuChicken wrote:
Why is everyone whining about op terran? Curious came out way ahead, because he could just drone like crazy. Sc is so behind in income now... People are whining because SC literally pulled every single worker he had, failed his attack, and still stayed even for far too long, almost winning. he killed all but 8 workers of curious... plz stop whining it kills the thread I'm sorry if I killed the thread? Did you not think that that situation was ridiculous? Are we not allowed to comment on what happens in the games anymore? It's whining and it's annoying. I hate to say it, but if you aren't High Masters+ you really have no right to complain about said mechanics because it's quite apparent many of these QQ posts come from a lack of understanding the game. sC was never in a winnable position at that point. Curious had 2 hatcheries and 8 drones vs 1 SCV. It was like 50 Drones vs 27 SCVs by the time Curious was throwing his 3rd hatch. I wonder if 15 drones + 1 hatchery & having to defend against a ball of marines would be better than 8 drones + 2 hatcheries. Perhaps sC could've still had that game if he killed the hatchery and left. Yeah I think that if he killed the hatch the "curve" of economy and recovery for Curious would have been a lot longer to rise. And it's not like it would have taken ages to kill the hatch, it was like 5 or 6 seconds of focus fire. Anyway, I don't know why he didn't went tanks after that, especially after his first second push was cleaned, no way the subsequent pure bio pushes will work. Wasn't that because he needed a lot of SCVs on minerals thus he didn't mine gas until much later?
Yeah I think it's that, but he still took his gas way before gging. What I mean is that turtling could have been a better option.
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On March 31 2012 17:10 borny wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 17:05 Shellshock1122 wrote:On March 31 2012 17:05 babylon wrote:On March 31 2012 17:04 Shellshock1122 wrote:On March 31 2012 17:02 Jehct wrote:
Really don't see Curious beating Genius (if he doesn't do something retarded). I wonder who will be Startale's ace - Nani? Bomber? July? No idea who has the strongest vP at the moment.
Pretty amazing that ST still has 3 top tier players left O_O Bomber imo. July's vP is meh. Cant see nani being ace for Startale even if his vP is pretty good. ST will rely on Bomber They could alternatively just trust whatever Genius-sniper they have prepared. .... .... Will laugh if that's Virus. I would love it if it was Virus Yeah. Why not Virus? I think hes the best on ST after maybe Bomber and these days July and Parting.
Lol, Virus is good, just inconsistent. Which is kind of like Bomber nowadays. ^^;
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