• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 09:39
CEST 15:39
KST 22:39
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins EWC 202543Tournament Spotlight: FEL Cracow 202510Power Rank - Esports World Cup 202580RSL Season 1 - Final Week9[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall15
Community News
Weekly Cups (Jul 28-Aug 3): herO doubles up6LiuLi Cup - August 2025 Tournaments3[BSL 2025] H2 - Team Wars, Weeklies & SB Ladder10EWC 2025 - Replay Pack4Google Play ASL (Season 20) Announced58
StarCraft 2
General
Weekly Cups (Jul 28-Aug 3): herO doubles up Clem Interview: "PvT is a bit insane right now" Serral wins EWC 2025 TL Team Map Contest #5: Presented by Monster Energy Would you prefer the game to be balanced around top-tier pro level or average pro level?
Tourneys
Global Tourney for College Students in September Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament WardiTV Mondays $5,000 WardiTV Summer Championship 2025 LiuLi Cup - August 2025 Tournaments
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 485 Death from Below Mutation # 484 Magnetic Pull Mutation #239 Bad Weather Mutation # 483 Kill Bot Wars
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion Help, I can't log into staredit.net How do the new Battle.net ranks translate? Which top zerg/toss will fail in qualifiers? Google Play ASL (Season 20) Announced
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL20] Online Qualifiers Day 2 Cosmonarchy Pro Showmatches [ASL20] Online Qualifiers Day 1
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers [G] Mineral Boosting Muta micro map competition Does 1 second matter in StarCraft?
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Total Annihilation Server - TAForever Beyond All Reason [MMORPG] Tree of Savior (Successor of Ragnarok)
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Bitcoin discussion thread 9/11 Anniversary
Fan Clubs
INnoVation Fan Club SKT1 Classic Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread Korean Music Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Gtx660 graphics card replacement Installation of Windows 10 suck at "just a moment" Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
TeamLiquid Team Shirt On Sale The Automated Ban List
Blogs
[Girl blog} My fema…
artosisisthebest
Sharpening the Filtration…
frozenclaw
ASL S20 English Commentary…
namkraft
The Link Between Fitness and…
TrAiDoS
momentary artworks from des…
tankgirl
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 803 users

[GSTL] 2012 Season 1 Pennant Race Group A Match 5 - Page 77

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 75 76 77 78 79 82 Next
Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
March 23 2012 12:37 GMT
#1521
On March 23 2012 21:35 SeventhPride wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2012 21:34 drbrown wrote:
On March 23 2012 21:33 itsjuspeter wrote:
This is why the pheonix upgrade does NOT work, switch to roach and all of a sudden you have no ground army.


That wasn't the problem here, he got outplayed

Come on, he got outplayed hard losing his phoenix even with 3 range advantage, AND he used only 1 control key to fight mutas.

That really didn't look like Hero, chasing after mutas with zealots and colossus. It was strange...and unfortunate as well that he went for colossus instead of his usual awesome templar play.
i was driving down the road this november eve and spotted a hitchhiker walking down the street. i pulled over and saw that it was only a tree. i uprooted it and put it in my trunk. do trees like marshmallow peeps? cause that's all i have and will have.
6BiT
Profile Joined December 2011
513 Posts
March 23 2012 12:37 GMT
#1522
damn you mc for leaving ogs
stuff & things
SeventhPride
Profile Joined February 2012
712 Posts
March 23 2012 12:37 GMT
#1523
On March 23 2012 21:35 Grampz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2012 21:34 drbrown wrote:
On March 23 2012 21:33 itsjuspeter wrote:
This is why the pheonix upgrade does NOT work, switch to roach and all of a sudden you have no ground army.


That wasn't the problem here, he got outplayed

No, the problem is, every game i have ever seen anyone get the upgrade, they lose to the same thing. Infestor tech switch. He did get out played, but that doesn't solve the problem or answer the question.

The problem was never a problem, protoss didn't need the phoenix upgrade to fight mutas, they were comfortable using blink stalkers and storm to kill mutas. Hero was VERY good when he used that style (watched his games), I have no idea why he switched to phoenix.
blooblooblahblah
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4163 Posts
March 23 2012 12:37 GMT
#1524
On March 23 2012 21:34 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2012 21:33 Tek_ wrote:
A perfect example of why the Phoenix upgrade is crap, killing all the Mutas isn't enough (even with perfect control) as the next tech switch is unstoppable.


the ugprade does what its supposed to do, allow Protoss to kill huge numbers of mutas.

What? You want a single unit that kills everything Zerg can throw at you? Sorry, this game doesn't work that way.


When did he say anything like that? He said the Phoenix upgrade is crap, and in the current metagame, so far it has been.
Ganzi beat me without stim. Ostojiy beat me with a nydus. Siphonn beat me with probes. Revival beat my sentry-immortal all-in.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
March 23 2012 12:37 GMT
#1525
On March 23 2012 21:36 Forbidden17 wrote:
i hope tomorrow goes to ace match as well. really want to see mkp vs drg

Tomorrow is New star hoseo vs StartaleQ
Moderatorhttp://i.imgur.com/U4xwqmD.png
TL+ Member
bokchoi
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Korea (South)9498 Posts
March 23 2012 12:37 GMT
#1526
I feel like that game was so un-HerO-esque... I feel like beyond the 2 VR he played super passive, which is unlike him. I guess Leenock's aggression was too much.
Tek_
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada55 Posts
March 23 2012 12:37 GMT
#1527
On March 23 2012 21:34 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2012 21:33 Tek_ wrote:
A perfect example of why the Phoenix upgrade is crap, killing all the Mutas isn't enough (even with perfect control) as the next tech switch is unstoppable.


the ugprade does what its supposed to do, allow Protoss to kill huge numbers of mutas.

What? You want a single unit that kills everything Zerg can throw at you? Sorry, this game doesn't work that way.


I didn't say anything like that. Having to get a Fleet Beacon and the upgrade just to deal with Mutas is not optimal, the upgrade makes no sense. The old route of blink stalker/high templar is almost always a better option.
Rammstorm
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany1434 Posts
March 23 2012 12:37 GMT
#1528
On March 23 2012 21:36 TheNessman wrote:
wow fuck how did i stay up all night its 5:30 am here O_O


You are NOT hurting E-sports
"MC" -> Master of Ceremonies xD
Severus_
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
759 Posts
March 23 2012 12:37 GMT
#1529
HerO was in those TvP situations make too much vikings to kill the colos but die to the ground army but in PvZ make too much phoenix to kill the mutas but die to the ground army.
Ryukku
Profile Joined November 2010
Singapore545 Posts
March 23 2012 12:37 GMT
#1530
omg hero looks so sad T_T
Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
March 23 2012 12:37 GMT
#1531
HerO is not going to be getting any good results for a while. There's no way he's not depressed right now.
Throw on your favorite jacket and you're good to roll. Stroll through the trees and let your miseries go.
itsjuspeter
Profile Joined November 2010
United States668 Posts
March 23 2012 12:37 GMT
#1532
On March 23 2012 21:35 rothsbury wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2012 21:33 Tek_ wrote:
A perfect example of why the Phoenix upgrade is crap, killing all the Mutas isn't enough (even with perfect control) as the next tech switch is unstoppable.

Not really; he didn't even micro his phoenix well enough to utilise the upgrade. Also it was designed to help against zerg who mass mass mass mutas. Against players who make just a dozen or so then switch out of it you obviously want a much more measured response.


How can anyone predict how many mutas a zerg make? It's really easy to go from pressing M to pressing R, I'm really sad hero lost he looks devastated.
SeventhPride
Profile Joined February 2012
712 Posts
March 23 2012 12:37 GMT
#1533
On March 23 2012 21:37 Tachion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2012 21:35 SeventhPride wrote:
On March 23 2012 21:34 drbrown wrote:
On March 23 2012 21:33 itsjuspeter wrote:
This is why the pheonix upgrade does NOT work, switch to roach and all of a sudden you have no ground army.


That wasn't the problem here, he got outplayed

Come on, he got outplayed hard losing his phoenix even with 3 range advantage, AND he used only 1 control key to fight mutas.

That really didn't look like Hero, chasing after mutas with zealots and colossus. It was strange...and unfortunate as well that he went for colossus instead of his usual awesome templar play.

So true, if he played his usual storms he will have no problem. Its so weird why he went phoenixes. Horrible.
kubiks
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
France1328 Posts
March 23 2012 12:38 GMT
#1534
I think the upgrade is not made to counter the usual muta style but the muta style where you do a billion spinecrawler and go up to 60-70 mutas and abuse the fact that there are space where you can't be reached by sth else than air units
Juanald you're my hero I miss you -> best troll ever on TL <3
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
March 23 2012 12:38 GMT
#1535
On March 23 2012 21:35 Dr_Jones wrote:
Pretty sure P should just 2 base all in every game, it's the only way to beat Z...

No, Hero went Stargate and didn't do enough with it. Stargate openings are all doomed the same way unless there is a major revolution in using them. I think there is a certain french protoss which is on to something in this area though. Nevertheless, PvZ will look lopsided like that when the Zerg isn't sufficiently halted or the Protoss doesn't expand aggressively.
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
FrozenFrotie
Profile Joined January 2011
Singapore156 Posts
March 23 2012 12:38 GMT
#1536
Nony said it right...the pheonix range upgrade is a death trap.
rothsbury
Profile Joined January 2012
Australia1654 Posts
March 23 2012 12:38 GMT
#1537
On March 23 2012 21:36 Fubi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2012 21:35 rothsbury wrote:
On March 23 2012 21:33 Tek_ wrote:
A perfect example of why the Phoenix upgrade is crap, killing all the Mutas isn't enough (even with perfect control) as the next tech switch is unstoppable.

Not really; he didn't even micro his phoenix well enough to utilise the upgrade. Also it was designed to help against zerg who mass mass mass mutas. Against players who make just a dozen or so then switch out of it you obviously want a much more measured response.

Errr, how would his micro of phenoix changed anything? You're making it sound like having 3-4 extra phoenix there would of done anything against hydra/roaches

Well sure, he would have lost. My point was that 1) he didn't even use the upgrade to its true potential and 2) the upgrade was not appropriate here since Leenock was not massing mutas. You tried to address my first point whilst ignoring my second but didn't really address either.
vndods
Profile Joined October 2011
United States3743 Posts
March 23 2012 12:38 GMT
#1538
stayed up from 5:30AM to 8:30AM to watch this TT

goodnight everybody.
Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
March 23 2012 12:38 GMT
#1539
On March 23 2012 21:37 Gamegene wrote:
HerO is not going to be getting any good results for a while. There's no way he's not depressed right now.


When he goes to Las Vegas and sees the GSTL he'll remember these sad feelings tonight.

+ Show Spoiler +
;_;
Throw on your favorite jacket and you're good to roll. Stroll through the trees and let your miseries go.
Rammstorm
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany1434 Posts
March 23 2012 12:38 GMT
#1540
On March 23 2012 21:34 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2012 21:33 Tek_ wrote:
A perfect example of why the Phoenix upgrade is crap, killing all the Mutas isn't enough (even with perfect control) as the next tech switch is unstoppable.


the ugprade does what its supposed to do, allow Protoss to kill huge numbers of mutas.

What? You want a single unit that kills everything Zerg can throw at you? Sorry, this game doesn't work that way.


Archons say Hi
"MC" -> Master of Ceremonies xD
Prev 1 75 76 77 78 79 82 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 21m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Harstem 338
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 51742
Bisu 2761
Shuttle 2491
Mini 828
ggaemo 516
Zeus 425
Soulkey 421
Snow 317
Soma 299
ZerO 259
[ Show more ]
Hyuk 253
Last 253
sSak 161
Leta 120
ToSsGirL 90
Pusan 72
soO 68
sorry 60
Nal_rA 58
Sharp 49
[sc1f]eonzerg 36
Aegong 33
Backho 27
Noble 27
ajuk12(nOOB) 19
sas.Sziky 18
Sacsri 18
JulyZerg 16
scan(afreeca) 15
zelot 12
IntoTheRainbow 7
SilentControl 7
Terrorterran 6
ivOry 5
Stormgate
TKL 191
Dota 2
XcaliburYe537
Dendi96
Counter-Strike
flusha359
byalli261
zeus215
edward51
kRYSTAL_44
Heroes of the Storm
XaKoH 54
Other Games
singsing1799
B2W.Neo1216
hiko916
crisheroes377
KnowMe311
RotterdaM237
Hui .214
Fuzer 190
Happy154
QueenE51
ArmadaUGS48
rGuardiaN47
ZerO(Twitch)16
Organizations
StarCraft 2
WardiTV711
StarCraft: Brood War
UltimateBattle 27
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 71
• davetesta17
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• FirePhoenix4
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV920
League of Legends
• Nemesis3244
Upcoming Events
Stormgate Nexus
21m
TKL 191
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
2h 21m
DaveTesta Events
10h 21m
The PondCast
20h 21m
WardiTV Summer Champion…
21h 21m
Replay Cast
1d 10h
LiuLi Cup
1d 21h
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
2 days
RSL Revival
2 days
RSL Revival
2 days
[ Show More ]
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
3 days
CSO Cup
3 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
4 days
Wardi Open
4 days
RotterdaM Event
5 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

ASL Season 20: Qualifier #2
FEL Cracow 2025
CC Div. A S7

Ongoing

Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Qualifiers
HCC Europe
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025

Upcoming

ASL Season 20
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
BSL Season 21
BSL 21 Team A
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
SEL Season 2 Championship
WardiTV Summer 2025
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
Thunderpick World Champ.
MESA Nomadic Masters Fall
CS Asia Championships 2025
Roobet Cup 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.