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00Visor
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
4337 Posts
March 07 2012 16:52 GMT
#3121
will they show the group drawings?
IMoperator
Profile Joined October 2011
4476 Posts
March 07 2012 16:52 GMT
#3122
man t/z not doing very well overall. MMA still going to win the whole thing though, he's just the best player.
Delicious Insanity
Profile Joined November 2011
Belgium841 Posts
March 07 2012 16:52 GMT
#3123
On March 08 2012 01:52 00Visor wrote:
will they show the group drawings?


Would not count on it.
[Silverflame]
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany640 Posts
March 07 2012 16:54 GMT
#3124
"Re-Run 18:30" whatever this means... just streaming the whole day again or what?^^ Well, I guess I'll see in half an hour.
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Raistlin
Profile Joined May 2003
Sweden104 Posts
March 07 2012 16:55 GMT
#3125
Hey guys, we just published an interview with (P)Grubby. Read up on what mindset he came into IEM with, from being a last-minute stand-in.

Check it out at http://gosugamers.net/starcraft2/news/18829-grubby-everything-good-that-happened-to-me-i-owe-to-warcraft

GosuGamers: Grubby, you arrived here yesterday as a last replacement in your group and you had a really rough time in the first day. Can you just walk us through your experience thus far at IEM?

Grubby: Yeah, as you said I came as a last minute replacement and did not know the tournament maps or exactly who was in my group. There were a lot of protosses but I didn't do any particular training, just ladder practice. But I wanted to help ESL in having a player in the group and I was next in the ranking of the people who could actually make it. Thus, in that way I guess I deserve it due to my HomeStory Cup performance but normally I would have done more particular preparation. Still, I figured I give it a shot: if it goes well - great, if not I'll try not to guilt myself.

I started off with a rough loss against MC, then HasuObs also played really really well. Against Elfi, I was up one-nill and I felt I was doing really well in the second game but I missed my forcefield and he walked down the ramp and I shouldn't have let him get out that way.

GosuGamers: PvP is a very volatile match but would that if you had a decent time to prepare you would have done much better?

Grubby: Well, having to play only one match-up can be considered some kind of an advantage but at the same time I felt that with having so many protosses, no one will go 5-0 in the group. I'm not the one to say that PvP is a luck match-up, I don´t believe that, but on the other hand I know that it's extremely difficult to go 10-0 in a group with four other protosses. I expected that everyone will be trading blows and as you can see no one ever went 4-1. But yeah, I think with more preparation in PvP I would have had a wider spectrum of strategies. I have some that work quite well but there are other that I am not quite familiar with and I try to adapt to them on the fly. But I can't complain - I am here after all, I am watching the games, having fun and it's still really nice to be here.
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Kergy
Profile Joined December 2010
Peru2011 Posts
March 07 2012 16:56 GMT
#3126
On March 08 2012 01:44 c0ldfusion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2012 01:41 Orome wrote:
On March 08 2012 01:36 nooboon wrote:
On March 08 2012 01:22 jj33 wrote:
On March 08 2012 01:18 nooboon wrote:
On March 08 2012 01:13 jj33 wrote:
On March 08 2012 01:11 Velr wrote:
On March 08 2012 01:09 gozima wrote:
On March 08 2012 00:58 Chrian wrote:
On March 08 2012 00:56 WigglingSquid wrote:
By chance, does Mr. Bitter play Zerg? His casting seems quite... biased.


Plays zerg, doesn't follow Korean scene at all, generally massively biased towards European players he's friends with (DIMAGA, Kas etc.), and biased towards foreigners in general.


I generally don't mind the bias, but he doesn't follow the Korean scene at all? This dude is getting paid and flown around the world to talk about starcraft, and he can't take a little extra time out of his day to watch a few GSL games? That's pathetic.



Yeah.. Shame on him for actually "sleeping" and having a little "freetime".

He obviously should use at least 22h of his day to watch SC2...



OH please. take what he said and completely warp it.

mrbitter is a "professional caster" any guy on TL who isn't a pro player or caster can follow the Korean scene casually and at least know some players and who are the up and comers etc.

that caster is wilfully ignorant of the korean scene and yet hes supposed to be a professional caster.

thats' just retarded.


So someone can't be professional if they don't follow the korean scene?


nice strawman.

try again. what you just said is retarded. If you're a professional caster, you should at least have some knowledge of the KOrean scene, especially when you're casting games with koreans involved. its' called professionalism.

I heard Korea isn't revelant in sc2 huh?


I agree that he should have some knowledge of the scene, but that is not all professionalism is. Professionalism is how a person conducts themselves on the job and a person can be professional even if they have none or very little knowledge of what is going on. (It might not be a good cast but at least they can show they they know how act accordingly)

EDIT: Sad that Dimaga lost, but also happy that Zenio advanced...all but group b has 1 of each race advancing


Making it extremely obvious who you're rooting for and worse, being super negative and disappointed when he loses (especially to a Korean) isn't professional any way you look at it. I like Bitter's casting usually, but his bias is getting somewhat ridiculous.


Mr.Bitter has always been biased in his commentary. I don't think it's a huge deal.



Oh... it sure as hell would be if it was the other way around.

I know it sucks to see you favorite players go out one by one, but he's in a position where he's expected to be (or at least pretend to be) a bit more objective, I really don't care about what players he likes and it's certainly not neccessary to hear all that negativity, specially towards a group of highly skilled players whose only 'fault' is being korean.
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Swiv
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany3674 Posts
March 07 2012 16:56 GMT
#3127
Koreans entering the tournament: 41,6%
Koreans after group phase: 66,6%

But I think foreigners performed not that bad so far.

MC and Supernova only 3:2 + instead of Violet/Jyp Socke could have easily andvanced, too.
[_] Terran [_] Zerg [_] Protoss [X] Random ------- Fantasy - hyvaa - sOs
dash4cash
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany29 Posts
March 07 2012 16:56 GMT
#3128
On March 08 2012 01:48 ggrrg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2012 01:45 Tonttu wrote:
On March 08 2012 01:44 mycro wrote:
Is PuMa vs SeleCT not going to be played?


Well it definetely is going to be played, since if SelecT wins 2-0 over Puma, Killer takes 1st place (even though Select can't advance) So that game is important for Killer and Puma

Edit: atleast Puma hasn't been marked as group winner yet..


According to liquipedia, the worst Puma can get is +4 in mapscore which would be equal to Killer's score, but since Puma beat Killer in their bo3, Puma has already secured 1st place.



I think they count first, who had won more maps, then the difference and then head-to-head.
quannguyen
Profile Joined January 2012
Vietnam1390 Posts
March 07 2012 16:56 GMT
#3129
will the Select-Puma game be played? That game won't matter anymore cuz Puma is guaranteed 1st and Select 4th, right?
Unlimited Warcraft Works and Super Starcraft Taisen ^^
Poisonblack
Profile Joined May 2011
452 Posts
March 07 2012 16:57 GMT
#3130
On March 08 2012 01:52 IMoperator wrote:
man t/z not doing very well overall. MMA still going to win the whole thing though, he's just the best player.


Races performance is pretty similar for all three actually as:

3/6 Terrans advance
3/7 Zergs advance
6/11 Protoss advance
Urbz
Profile Joined August 2011
Netherlands456 Posts
March 07 2012 16:57 GMT
#3131
On March 08 2012 01:54 [Silverflame] wrote:
"Re-Run 18:30" whatever this means... just streaming the whole day again or what?^^ Well, I guess I'll see in half an hour.


Correct.
If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything
Presidenten
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden777 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-07 16:58:06
March 07 2012 16:57 GMT
#3132
On March 08 2012 01:44 Zzoram wrote:
It is being played, but it doesn't matter at all. SeleCT is out and Puma could lose 0-2 and still have the better map score and take 1st place.

On March 08 2012 01:56 quannguyen wrote:
will the Select-Puma game be played? That game won't matter anymore cuz Puma is guaranteed 1st and Select 4th, right?



False, actually. Killer would have 9-5, which is better than the 8-4 of PuMa according to the rulebook and would therefore be 1st in the group.
Source: http://eslgfx.net/media/de/news/2012/masters/hanover/IEM_WC2012_Additional_Rules.pdf
JinDesu
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3990 Posts
March 07 2012 17:00 GMT
#3133
On March 08 2012 01:40 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2012 01:37 Cereb wrote:
foreigners dissapointing once again! :/

I don't think it's disappointing. They consistently took maps off of the Koreans and in one group a non-Korean finished first. Depends on what you expect I suppose.


I expected IdrA to beat MMA! Across groups somehow!

But yeah, foreigners did quite well in group B and D. Just maybe not the fan favorites in terms of foreigners.
Yargh
quannguyen
Profile Joined January 2012
Vietnam1390 Posts
March 07 2012 17:01 GMT
#3134
On March 08 2012 01:57 Presidenten wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2012 01:44 Zzoram wrote:
It is being played, but it doesn't matter at all. SeleCT is out and Puma could lose 0-2 and still have the better map score and take 1st place.

Show nested quote +
On March 08 2012 01:56 quannguyen wrote:
will the Select-Puma game be played? That game won't matter anymore cuz Puma is guaranteed 1st and Select 4th, right?



False, actually. Killer would have 9-5, which is better than the 8-4 of PuMa according to the rulebook and would therefore be 1st in the group.
Source: http://eslgfx.net/media/de/news/2012/masters/hanover/IEM_WC2012_Additional_Rules.pdf


Ah I understand. So aside from map score difference, the one who wins more map will place 1st. Thank you
Unlimited Warcraft Works and Super Starcraft Taisen ^^
Belha
Profile Joined December 2010
Italy2850 Posts
March 07 2012 17:02 GMT
#3135
Ya, koreans are going to take the top spots once again, really sad for foreigners.


And indeed, Bitter is a overrated caster, he is so freaking biased, and also have poor game senses about what is going to happen during the game. I have nothing aganist the guy, seems a really cool person, but as a caster, imo he suck.

And balance seems much much better than some months ago, most races have 50%+-5.
Chicken gank op
Benjamin80
Profile Joined February 2012
581 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-07 17:05:31
March 07 2012 17:03 GMT
#3136
On March 08 2012 01:40 Maghetti wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2012 01:28 Benjamin80 wrote:
On March 08 2012 01:26 Maghetti wrote:
Zenio is such a zvz monster with really deep knowledge of how to handle all sorts of situations. Not the korean dimaga would want his tournament life to rest on.


I dont agree with that I think his ZvZ is his worst matchup by fare. His multitasking seems very slow sometimes in the matchup.

Watch Stephano vs Zenio NASL and you can really see his flawes

He has a 71% winrate in zvz in korea. Both of his other matchups are like 30 and 40%.


I didnt knew that then im sorry. I just feel I only watch Zenio´s ZvZ when he loses.

But yea didnt knew about his stats so sorry
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Delicious Insanity
Profile Joined November 2011
Belgium841 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-07 17:05:21
March 07 2012 17:04 GMT
#3137
Sorry if this sounds stupid, but how does the RO16 work?

If I understand correctly, MMA, MC, Feast and Puma are in the Quarterfinals.
That leaves 8 players for the RO16...

I'm so confused.
Ansinjunger
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2451 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-07 17:07:06
March 07 2012 17:06 GMT
#3138
I found the schedule for the event. Apparently, the ro16 plus 1 ro8 match is played tomorrow (8th), followed by the other 3 ro8 matches and both semifnals on the 9th, and the 3rd place match and finals are on the 10th. Too bad I didn't plan better, I took the day off when the final games are in the middle of the night, lol.

This seems to give kind of an advantage for the quarterfinal #1, with more rest for the semifinal, except you don't know who your opponent is until the following day anyway. Still, you could have a PvP determining your next opponent.

Sorry if this sounds stupid, but how does the RO16 work?

If I understand correctly, MMA, MC, Feast and Puma are in the Quarterfinals.
That leaves 8 players for the RO16...

I'm so confused.


There's basically just two consecutive rounds of 8, with the 4 from the first round advancing to play the 4 seeded players in the next round.
Flowjo
Profile Joined March 2011
United States928 Posts
March 07 2012 17:06 GMT
#3139
On March 08 2012 02:04 Delicious Insanity wrote:
Sorry if this sounds stupid, but how does the RO16 work?

If I understand correctly, MMA, MC, Feast and Puma are in the Quarterfinals.
That leaves 8 players for the RO16...

I'm so confused.


That means that it's basically 8/16 in ro16, the winners get to fight against the players who placed first in their groups.
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00Visor
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
4337 Posts
March 07 2012 17:06 GMT
#3140
On March 08 2012 02:04 Delicious Insanity wrote:
Sorry if this sounds stupid, but how does the RO16 work?

If I understand correctly, MMA, MC, Feast and Puma are in the Quarterfinals.
That leaves 8 players for the RO16...

I'm so confused.


8 players in Ro16 => 4 advance into quarterfinals
with the groupwinners we then have 8 players in quarterfinals
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