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marttorn
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Norway5211 Posts
March 07 2012 15:20 GMT
#2881
On March 08 2012 00:19 ceaRshaf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2012 00:18 zul wrote:
On March 08 2012 00:16 Barrin wrote:
...BITTERGRUB!

:D

GrubBitter


BitterRub.


That's when someone promised you a back-rub, but they're kind of pissed at you too, so they do it in spite.
memes are a dish best served dank
Jaxx
Profile Joined July 2004
Slovakia758 Posts
March 07 2012 15:21 GMT
#2882
Noo Grubby, please stay! We need your gosu analysis. Huh, maybe tommorow?
Delicious Insanity
Profile Joined November 2011
Belgium841 Posts
March 07 2012 15:21 GMT
#2883
'Once in a while, something new comes along and nothing is the same again.'

This is actually about Feast. ;P
druggi
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland10 Posts
March 07 2012 15:23 GMT
#2884
On March 07 2012 23:56 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2012 23:52 Jyvblamo wrote:
On March 07 2012 23:52 Koshi wrote:
On the next SOTG
JP: What did you think of IdrA his performance Geoff?
iNcontroL: You know, after the first 4 games, I really thought IdrA would give up. But he didn't and that is important. I think we really saw the new and improved IdrA here. This is the first step towards a new IdrA. I think that IdrA came out stronger after this tournament.
Tyler: *smirking in the background*

JP would never ask such a hard-hitting question.

You are right. Let me fix that.

On the next SOTG
JP: What did you think of the EG performance Geoff? Puma was pretty good. Idra a bit less *awkward laugh*
iNcontroL: You know, after the first 4 games, I really thought IdrA would give up. But he didn't and that is important. I think we really saw the new and improved IdrA here. This is the first step towards a new IdrA. I think that IdrA came out stronger after this tournament. But we have so much talent in EG, this tournament Puma ended up high, next time it will be IdrA being the strongest EG player.
Tyler: *smirking in the background*


iNcontrol: mm you know, Speaking kinda selflessly for a moment. It wasn't just a win for a idra, it was a win for all of us. Eg has been struggling, especially in teamleagues. going 1-5 1-4, all killed by sheth. So we have been beaten up for 2012, so going into this event puma doing well as allways and IdrA roflstomping SuperNoVa one of the best Terrans in the world. It was awesome, it was absolutely awesome. Becouse going into the event too like the IdrA we are talking about now (after crushing SuperNoVa) should not be the same IdrA we are talking end of this year or hopefully midlle of the year, who knows but. He is a major tournament winningcaliber player. I have been saying that for a long time. People like to throw that to my face when he does not live up to it but he has hell a lot of expectations too. He is cabable of doing it and THIS win showed it. And everyone was happy about it, machine was here with his grilfriend, they were jumping for joy. I was at the edge of my seat all the time and at the enf of the game i was on the verge of tears i was so happy. We are sick and tire to get our asses handed to us, IdrAs win over SupernoVa was the beginning of really good year for us.Im really proud of IdrA, our team and sponsors and my fans.
WhySoSERIOUS
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
March 07 2012 15:23 GMT
#2885
On March 08 2012 00:20 marttorn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2012 00:19 ceaRshaf wrote:
On March 08 2012 00:18 zul wrote:
On March 08 2012 00:16 Barrin wrote:
...BITTERGRUB!

:D

GrubBitter


BitterRub.


That's when someone promised you a back-rub, but they're kind of pissed at you too, so they do it in spite.


And then you get liniment in your but-crack by "accident".
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
Champloo
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany1850 Posts
March 07 2012 15:24 GMT
#2886
On March 08 2012 00:23 druggi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2012 23:56 Koshi wrote:
On March 07 2012 23:52 Jyvblamo wrote:
On March 07 2012 23:52 Koshi wrote:
On the next SOTG
JP: What did you think of IdrA his performance Geoff?
iNcontroL: You know, after the first 4 games, I really thought IdrA would give up. But he didn't and that is important. I think we really saw the new and improved IdrA here. This is the first step towards a new IdrA. I think that IdrA came out stronger after this tournament.
Tyler: *smirking in the background*

JP would never ask such a hard-hitting question.

You are right. Let me fix that.

On the next SOTG
JP: What did you think of the EG performance Geoff? Puma was pretty good. Idra a bit less *awkward laugh*
iNcontroL: You know, after the first 4 games, I really thought IdrA would give up. But he didn't and that is important. I think we really saw the new and improved IdrA here. This is the first step towards a new IdrA. I think that IdrA came out stronger after this tournament. But we have so much talent in EG, this tournament Puma ended up high, next time it will be IdrA being the strongest EG player.
Tyler: *smirking in the background*


iNcontrol: mm you know, Speaking kinda selflessly for a moment. It wasn't just a win for a idra, it was a win for all of us. Eg has been struggling, especially in teamleagues. going 1-5 1-4, all killed by sheth. So we have been beaten up for 2012, so going into this event puma doing well as allways and IdrA roflstomping SuperNoVa one of the best Terrans in the world. It was awesome, it was absolutely awesome. Becouse going into the event too like the IdrA we are talking about now (after crushing SuperNoVa) should not be the same IdrA we are talking end of this year or hopefully midlle of the year, who knows but. He is a major tournament winningcaliber player. I have been saying that for a long time. People like to throw that to my face when he does not live up to it but he has hell a lot of expectations too. He is cabable of doing it and THIS win showed it. And everyone was happy about it, machine was here with his grilfriend, they were jumping for joy. I was at the edge of my seat all the time and at the enf of the game i was on the verge of tears i was so happy. We are sick and tire to get our asses handed to us, IdrAs win over SupernoVa was the beginning of really good year for us.Im really proud of IdrA, our team and sponsors and my fans.

niccccccccccce!
zocktol
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany1928 Posts
March 07 2012 15:26 GMT
#2887
On March 08 2012 00:19 ChaosTerran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2012 00:12 zocktol wrote:
On March 08 2012 00:07 Jyvblamo wrote:
On March 08 2012 00:04 ChaosTerran wrote:
On March 08 2012 00:00 zocktol wrote:
Ok, seriously, why do most top terrans have around 2500 Gas in the lategame?
I mean why not stop at 4 or 5 Refinerys


because you need alot of gas early and midgame for all the tech and upgrades. but once you hit lategame you mainly need minerals, that's why terran always banks so much gas in TvP lategame. nothing to spend it on.

He's probably asking why the top terrans don't realize this and pull scvs off gas before they bank too much gas.


For example, or why not get Ravens or something that costs gas?
Ravens are pretty good after all, and you can harass with them. And i mean sure, in the midgame u need enough gas for Starport with Reactor and let's say maybe 3 Barracks with a techlab so that you can get enough marauders. But when taking the third base, do you need gas number 5 and 6?

Also so sad for Mana, getting caught with his pants down two times, i think T_T


What would you build ravens for in TvP? PDD is nice, but it only really affects stalkers and doesn't help with collossi or high templar at all (which are the actual damage dealers lategame). HSM is extremely slow with an extremely small radius. I tried ghost/raven tank/hellion in tvp before and it's awful, HSM doesn't do anything vs. protoss units =/.

It's also ridiculously hard to control. You need several control groups, bio, then ghosts, ravens and vikings. that's 4 control groups if you want to add ravens to your army. It's already extremely hard to micro 3 control groups, 4 control groups is just insane, especially when 1 control group requires constant micro (bio) and 2 control groups are casters.


Let's assume you have 2 Ravens with your main army. You throw down 2 PDDs and 2 Turrets.
The Turrets will draw the aggresion from the chargelots and thus give you 1 or 2 more salvae for free whlie kiting, not sure about that though.
The main reasons for me would be detection(save scans for more minerals to get a more even bank) and the ability to fly around to an expansion and just put 3 or 4 turrets behind the mineral line. Would be not a big supply investment and is normally able to do a lot of damage.
This is just theorycrafting though, because i have NO way to play SC2 right now :D
Azzur
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia6260 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-07 15:30:57
March 07 2012 15:28 GMT
#2888
Select losing when the BLs come out...

Hmm... terrans are certainly struggling against them... maybe they should adopt Polt's drops everywhere strategy.
Condor Hero
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2931 Posts
March 07 2012 15:28 GMT
#2889
On March 08 2012 00:23 druggi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2012 23:56 Koshi wrote:
On March 07 2012 23:52 Jyvblamo wrote:
On March 07 2012 23:52 Koshi wrote:
On the next SOTG
JP: What did you think of IdrA his performance Geoff?
iNcontroL: You know, after the first 4 games, I really thought IdrA would give up. But he didn't and that is important. I think we really saw the new and improved IdrA here. This is the first step towards a new IdrA. I think that IdrA came out stronger after this tournament.
Tyler: *smirking in the background*

JP would never ask such a hard-hitting question.

You are right. Let me fix that.

On the next SOTG
JP: What did you think of the EG performance Geoff? Puma was pretty good. Idra a bit less *awkward laugh*
iNcontroL: You know, after the first 4 games, I really thought IdrA would give up. But he didn't and that is important. I think we really saw the new and improved IdrA here. This is the first step towards a new IdrA. I think that IdrA came out stronger after this tournament. But we have so much talent in EG, this tournament Puma ended up high, next time it will be IdrA being the strongest EG player.
Tyler: *smirking in the background*


iNcontrol: mm you know, Speaking kinda selflessly for a moment. It wasn't just a win for a idra, it was a win for all of us. Eg has been struggling, especially in teamleagues. going 1-5 1-4, all killed by sheth. So we have been beaten up for 2012, so going into this event puma doing well as allways and IdrA roflstomping SuperNoVa one of the best Terrans in the world. It was awesome, it was absolutely awesome. Becouse going into the event too like the IdrA we are talking about now (after crushing SuperNoVa) should not be the same IdrA we are talking end of this year or hopefully midlle of the year, who knows but. He is a major tournament winningcaliber player. I have been saying that for a long time. People like to throw that to my face when he does not live up to it but he has hell a lot of expectations too. He is cabable of doing it and THIS win showed it. And everyone was happy about it, machine was here with his grilfriend, they were jumping for joy. I was at the edge of my seat all the time and at the enf of the game i was on the verge of tears i was so happy. We are sick and tire to get our asses handed to us, IdrAs win over SupernoVa was the beginning of really good year for us.Im really proud of IdrA, our team and sponsors and my fans.

lol you guys are so mean
Stanlot
Profile Joined December 2010
United States5742 Posts
March 07 2012 15:29 GMT
#2890
Hope Sangho makes it out of his group
Been waiting for him to make it big in a huge tournament :D
MC: "Sentry Forcefield Forcefield Marauder... cage Marauder die die"
Zeon0
Profile Joined September 2010
Austria2995 Posts
March 07 2012 15:29 GMT
#2891
can someone plz give me some cliffnotes to IdrAs games?
Hater of MKP since GSL Open Season 2 | Fanboy of: NesTea Stephano IdrA DIMAGA MorroW ret DongRaeGu Snute SaSe Mvp ThorZaIN DeMusliM
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12683 Posts
March 07 2012 15:30 GMT
#2892
On March 08 2012 00:26 zocktol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2012 00:19 ChaosTerran wrote:
On March 08 2012 00:12 zocktol wrote:
On March 08 2012 00:07 Jyvblamo wrote:
On March 08 2012 00:04 ChaosTerran wrote:
On March 08 2012 00:00 zocktol wrote:
Ok, seriously, why do most top terrans have around 2500 Gas in the lategame?
I mean why not stop at 4 or 5 Refinerys


because you need alot of gas early and midgame for all the tech and upgrades. but once you hit lategame you mainly need minerals, that's why terran always banks so much gas in TvP lategame. nothing to spend it on.

He's probably asking why the top terrans don't realize this and pull scvs off gas before they bank too much gas.


For example, or why not get Ravens or something that costs gas?
Ravens are pretty good after all, and you can harass with them. And i mean sure, in the midgame u need enough gas for Starport with Reactor and let's say maybe 3 Barracks with a techlab so that you can get enough marauders. But when taking the third base, do you need gas number 5 and 6?

Also so sad for Mana, getting caught with his pants down two times, i think T_T


What would you build ravens for in TvP? PDD is nice, but it only really affects stalkers and doesn't help with collossi or high templar at all (which are the actual damage dealers lategame). HSM is extremely slow with an extremely small radius. I tried ghost/raven tank/hellion in tvp before and it's awful, HSM doesn't do anything vs. protoss units =/.

It's also ridiculously hard to control. You need several control groups, bio, then ghosts, ravens and vikings. that's 4 control groups if you want to add ravens to your army. It's already extremely hard to micro 3 control groups, 4 control groups is just insane, especially when 1 control group requires constant micro (bio) and 2 control groups are casters.


Let's assume you have 2 Ravens with your main army. You throw down 2 PDDs and 2 Turrets.
The Turrets will draw the aggresion from the chargelots and thus give you 1 or 2 more salvae for free whlie kiting, not sure about that though.
The main reasons for me would be detection(save scans for more minerals to get a more even bank) and the ability to fly around to an expansion and just put 3 or 4 turrets behind the mineral line. Would be not a big supply investment and is normally able to do a lot of damage.
This is just theorycrafting though, because i have NO way to play SC2 right now :D

I think the main concern is the control, a 200-200 army battle is totally depending on positioning and micro.
and Raven could just be an easy target for HT to feedback because they aren't as mobile as the bioball
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
MVTaylor
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2893 Posts
March 07 2012 15:30 GMT
#2893
Okay, so I downloaded the IdrA / Kas replay on Antiga Game 1:

http://www.esl-world.net/masters/season6/hanover/sc2/groupstage#/masters/season6/hanover/sc2/groupstage/download/26111913/

And I still really cannot work out how IdrA lost that game (I feel 99 times out of a hundred if you put a zerg in the position IdrA was in against a Terran then the zerg would win)

Yes he was a little behind in upgrades but there were so many awful engagements by IdrA and general bad decision making (slow to make expansions, constant attempts at run bys doing nothing, mutaslisks unused, not trying to defend his fourth) but another thing that stuck out is his injects just seemed straight up bad towards the end, there were times he had a fair bit of money and not enough larvae...

I don't play Zerg but I just... am I right in saying most Zergs should have won given the position IdrA was in?
@followMVT
Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
March 07 2012 15:30 GMT
#2894
On March 08 2012 00:28 Azzur wrote:
Select losing when the BLs come out...

Hmm... terrans are certainly struggling against them... maybe they should adopt Polt's drops everything strategy.

Its the same strategy MMA has doing forever in TvZ, but the problem is that there is only a handful of terran players in the entire world who have the multitasking and gamesense to pull it off successfully.
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
March 07 2012 15:31 GMT
#2895
On March 08 2012 00:28 Azzur wrote:
Select losing when the BLs come out...

Hmm... terrans are certainly struggling against them... maybe they should adopt Polt's drops everything strategy.


Sadly, it's a very shaky way to deal with them is zerg still have lots of lings / lots of spine everywhere.
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
thepuppyassassin
Profile Joined April 2011
900 Posts
March 07 2012 15:33 GMT
#2896
You know Mr Bitter sounds so much like DoA...

Keep those 2 away from each other.. pairing them in a cast might cause a tear in the fabric of time.

Or at least tear out my eardrums from a perfect storm of stale humor.
SockArms
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States591 Posts
March 07 2012 15:33 GMT
#2897
wtf how do you push back that kinda army w/ hydra ling damnnnnn dimaga
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Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
March 07 2012 15:34 GMT
#2898
On March 08 2012 00:26 zocktol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2012 00:19 ChaosTerran wrote:
On March 08 2012 00:12 zocktol wrote:
On March 08 2012 00:07 Jyvblamo wrote:
On March 08 2012 00:04 ChaosTerran wrote:
On March 08 2012 00:00 zocktol wrote:
Ok, seriously, why do most top terrans have around 2500 Gas in the lategame?
I mean why not stop at 4 or 5 Refinerys


because you need alot of gas early and midgame for all the tech and upgrades. but once you hit lategame you mainly need minerals, that's why terran always banks so much gas in TvP lategame. nothing to spend it on.

He's probably asking why the top terrans don't realize this and pull scvs off gas before they bank too much gas.


For example, or why not get Ravens or something that costs gas?
Ravens are pretty good after all, and you can harass with them. And i mean sure, in the midgame u need enough gas for Starport with Reactor and let's say maybe 3 Barracks with a techlab so that you can get enough marauders. But when taking the third base, do you need gas number 5 and 6?

Also so sad for Mana, getting caught with his pants down two times, i think T_T


What would you build ravens for in TvP? PDD is nice, but it only really affects stalkers and doesn't help with collossi or high templar at all (which are the actual damage dealers lategame). HSM is extremely slow with an extremely small radius. I tried ghost/raven tank/hellion in tvp before and it's awful, HSM doesn't do anything vs. protoss units =/.

It's also ridiculously hard to control. You need several control groups, bio, then ghosts, ravens and vikings. that's 4 control groups if you want to add ravens to your army. It's already extremely hard to micro 3 control groups, 4 control groups is just insane, especially when 1 control group requires constant micro (bio) and 2 control groups are casters.


Let's assume you have 2 Ravens with your main army. You throw down 2 PDDs and 2 Turrets.
The Turrets will draw the aggresion from the chargelots and thus give you 1 or 2 more salvae for free whlie kiting, not sure about that though.
The main reasons for me would be detection(save scans for more minerals to get a more even bank) and the ability to fly around to an expansion and just put 3 or 4 turrets behind the mineral line. Would be not a big supply investment and is normally able to do a lot of damage.
This is just theorycrafting though, because i have NO way to play SC2 right now :D

Turrets really do nothing in the lategame because of upgrades, turrets always do a flat 8 damage per shot.

The only real application for ravens right now would be to protect vikings from stalker shots so they can kill colossi easier, but its just a lot of hassle for little benefit and the PDD is easily sniped with feedback too. Most of the time you are better off making a few extra vikings instead so the colossi die faster, the vikings don't really need to survive either as long as the colossi die.
dani`
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands2402 Posts
March 07 2012 15:34 GMT
#2899
On March 08 2012 00:33 thepuppyassassin wrote:
You know Mr Bitter sounds so much like DoA...

Keep those 2 away from each other.. pairing them in a cast might cause a tear in the fabric of time.

Or at least tear out my eardrums from a perfect storm of stale humor.

Hmm to me they sound quite differently. No problem whatsoever to tell them apart.
SockArms
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States591 Posts
March 07 2012 15:35 GMT
#2900
omg 6 colossi or should I say

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