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EmilA
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark4618 Posts
March 07 2012 15:38 GMT
#2921
Awesome Dimaga, kudos!!!

Good to see a Zerg who really makes an effort to think ahead and be able to engage perfectly (the timing on the flank was abit off but but it worked out very very well.)
http://dotabuff.com/players/122305951 playing other games
Tsubbi
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany7996 Posts
March 07 2012 15:38 GMT
#2922
parts of dimagas style reminds me so much of how coca played

man i really want to see coca again :/
-_-
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States7081 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-07 15:39:02
March 07 2012 15:38 GMT
#2923
what is this map called?(dima v killer map w/ island expos)
TheSubtleArt
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada2527 Posts
March 07 2012 15:39 GMT
#2924
Anybody else find it painful how bad killer is playing this game? :S
Dodge arrows
Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
March 07 2012 15:39 GMT
#2925
On March 08 2012 00:38 -_- wrote:
what is this map called?(dima v killer map w/ island expos)

GSL Metropolis.
ChaosTerran
Profile Joined August 2011
Austria844 Posts
March 07 2012 15:39 GMT
#2926
On March 08 2012 00:26 zocktol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2012 00:19 ChaosTerran wrote:
On March 08 2012 00:12 zocktol wrote:
On March 08 2012 00:07 Jyvblamo wrote:
On March 08 2012 00:04 ChaosTerran wrote:
On March 08 2012 00:00 zocktol wrote:
Ok, seriously, why do most top terrans have around 2500 Gas in the lategame?
I mean why not stop at 4 or 5 Refinerys


because you need alot of gas early and midgame for all the tech and upgrades. but once you hit lategame you mainly need minerals, that's why terran always banks so much gas in TvP lategame. nothing to spend it on.

He's probably asking why the top terrans don't realize this and pull scvs off gas before they bank too much gas.


For example, or why not get Ravens or something that costs gas?
Ravens are pretty good after all, and you can harass with them. And i mean sure, in the midgame u need enough gas for Starport with Reactor and let's say maybe 3 Barracks with a techlab so that you can get enough marauders. But when taking the third base, do you need gas number 5 and 6?

Also so sad for Mana, getting caught with his pants down two times, i think T_T


What would you build ravens for in TvP? PDD is nice, but it only really affects stalkers and doesn't help with collossi or high templar at all (which are the actual damage dealers lategame). HSM is extremely slow with an extremely small radius. I tried ghost/raven tank/hellion in tvp before and it's awful, HSM doesn't do anything vs. protoss units =/.

It's also ridiculously hard to control. You need several control groups, bio, then ghosts, ravens and vikings. that's 4 control groups if you want to add ravens to your army. It's already extremely hard to micro 3 control groups, 4 control groups is just insane, especially when 1 control group requires constant micro (bio) and 2 control groups are casters.


Let's assume you have 2 Ravens with your main army. You throw down 2 PDDs and 2 Turrets.
The Turrets will draw the aggresion from the chargelots and thus give you 1 or 2 more salvae for free whlie kiting, not sure about that though.
The main reasons for me would be detection(save scans for more minerals to get a more even bank) and the ability to fly around to an expansion and just put 3 or 4 turrets behind the mineral line. Would be not a big supply investment and is normally able to do a lot of damage.
This is just theorycrafting though, because i have NO way to play SC2 right now :D


Well the thing about lategame tvp is that you need scans anyway, because you need to know where the protoss army is, and scan is the only way to see where the high templars are so you can emp them. So you always have to save scans anyway. And if your opponent makes 1 cannon in every mineral line you can't harrass with turrets either. I mean your idea might be good, I don't know, I just don't see it work. Because ravens are really only good vs. stalkers and stalkers are not the problem in TvP lategame, you want to counter HTs and collossi mainly, and chargelots to some extent, ravens really dont help with that at all.

And if you want to harrass your opponent lategame, then banshees would clearly be a better option than ravens anyway. For me personally, the biggest problem about ravens however is the fact that they are so slow and so easy to feedback, because for a raven to get in range for HSM you have to fly really close to your opponent's army. They are like a suicide squad that can be countered quite easily. I don't know, I don't feel like ravens will ever be popular in TvP, but hey, maybe at some point a korean terran will prove me wrong and show that ravens are actually the sickest unit in TvP, I doubt it, but I can't know for sure.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
March 07 2012 15:40 GMT
#2927
Hahahaha, fast warp prisms are the best. Damn I am loving these games.
I had a good night of sleep.
Randomaccount#77123
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States5003 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-07 15:40:29
March 07 2012 15:40 GMT
#2928
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Andytaker
Profile Joined April 2011
88 Posts
March 07 2012 15:40 GMT
#2929
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HowardRoark
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
1146 Posts
March 07 2012 15:40 GMT
#2930
Doesn't Killer know that storm doesn't stack?
"It is really good to get the double observatory if you want to get the speed and sight range for the observer simultaneously. It's a little bit of an advanced tactic, and by advanced, I mean really fucking bad."
Tsubbi
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany7996 Posts
March 07 2012 15:40 GMT
#2931
On March 08 2012 00:39 TheSubtleArt wrote:
Anybody else find it painful how bad killer is playing this game? :S


killer is one of the really mediocre code s koreans, nothing unexpected in his play imo
Shewklad
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden482 Posts
March 07 2012 15:41 GMT
#2932
On March 08 2012 00:37 Koshi wrote:
Is there a tournament game were those island expansions were taken? Would be so cool.


MorroW vs Leenock!
Bomber || Thorzain || Startale >< No gods, no masters.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
March 07 2012 15:41 GMT
#2933
Ball of death. Poor Dimaga.
I had a good night of sleep.
Tsubbi
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany7996 Posts
March 07 2012 15:41 GMT
#2934
dimaga has the anti-july switch, at some point in the game he decides to never leave his half of the map again
Elem
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden4717 Posts
March 07 2012 15:42 GMT
#2935
On March 08 2012 00:41 Tsubbi wrote:
dimaga has the anti-july switch, at some point in the game he decides to never leave his half of the map again
Hahaha <3 the name. Gonna start using it in the future to describe DIMAGA's ridiculously passive lategame.
#freeshauni
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
March 07 2012 15:42 GMT
#2936
Killer too wasteful with his storms. Overlapping them a lot and running out of steam.
Cereb
Profile Joined November 2011
Denmark3388 Posts
March 07 2012 15:42 GMT
#2937
How did Dimaga not get absolutely smashed in that engagement? :O
"Until the very very top in almost anything, all that matters is how much work you put in. The only problem is most people can't work hard even at things they do enjoy, much less things they don't have a real passion for. -Greg "IdrA" Fields
Slomo
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany7198 Posts
March 07 2012 15:43 GMT
#2938
Wtf Dimaga.
This is sad to watch, Dimaga is usually so active on the minimap and spotts everything. But losing drones like that is not typical.
RIP DOUBLE TI OG | #18 never forget
EmilA
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark4618 Posts
March 07 2012 15:43 GMT
#2939
On March 08 2012 00:41 Tsubbi wrote:
dimaga has the anti-july switch, at some point in the game he decides to never leave his half of the map again


lol good one
http://dotabuff.com/players/122305951 playing other games
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12710 Posts
March 07 2012 15:43 GMT
#2940
what is this game?
3 stacking storms, ling hydra corruptor, speed warp prism HT drop, this is so weird
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
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