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On March 05 2012 07:05 HuKPOWA wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2012 07:03 JohnMatrix wrote:On March 05 2012 07:00 Seraphone wrote:On March 05 2012 06:46 Ylrahc wrote:On March 05 2012 06:40 revel8 wrote:On March 05 2012 06:33 Seraphone wrote:On March 05 2012 06:19 Ylrahc wrote:On March 05 2012 06:08 Seraphone wrote:On March 05 2012 05:55 Zealot Orgy wrote:On March 05 2012 05:53 Seraphone wrote:
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Just stop. Stephano's record vs top end Koreans is quite poor since ESWC. 2 messages in a row hating on Stephano, I know I shouldn't even answer, but whatever: He said he can be in codeS, he didn't say he can beat every "top end Korean" he faces. he wins under 50% of his games vs Koreans Proof ?
Stephano's record vs Korean players on LAN who actually competed in Season 1 of GSL 2012.
0-2 vs MKP
0-2 vs MC
1-4 vs Polt.
You take only LAN event, online events with $$ prizes aren't meaningful ? You disregard online events as well as events in winter 2011, I disregard HSC, it's my right as well as it's yours. See my point ? Thing is, it's your opinion vs mine, we both have "facts" to back it up, and while it's interesting to discuss it it's however tiring in the end because the same arguments are rehearsed every time. And we will never know, as Stephano will never play in GSL  And it looks like Stephano is (again) going to take another EU tournament  Online results are meaningless. You have no idea how much anyone is lagging or what hour of the night they're played in. It's just worthless for both sides. Stephano's record vs Koreans in full. 1-4 vs Polt 3-0 vs Puma 0-2 vs MKP 0-2 vs MC 0-2 vs Sound 0-1 vs MVP 0-1 vs MC 1-0 vs DRG 1-0 vs Hero 3-2 vs Tails 2-0 vs MKP 1-2 vs Boxer 0-2 vs TheSTC 4-0 vs Lucky 3-1 vs TheSTC 2-1 vs Inori 2-0 vs Violet 2-0 Boxer 0-2 vs Alive 0-2 vs MC In terms of series that's 10-10, in terms of games that's 25-24. Which means overall he has a 50% win rate. It's worth point out that half of his series and game wins were at IPL. If we only use games since IPL his record is 5-8. If we only use games in 2012 his record is 1-4 in series and 4-10. That's a 28% win rate vs Korean players (not all of whom were Code S/A) in 2012. You are just ignoring those results that are in favour of Stephano. You are ignoring the Blizzard Cup and pretending they are meaningless because they show Stephano can live with top level Koreans. Also you conveniently forgot that Stephano beat Real 2-0 at Assembly. So that means according to your own figures, Stephano has defeated Koreans most of the times he has played against them. No, he is not. And 2 0 vs Alive was at IPL pool play, so it's valid. Seraphone is maybe not a Stephano fan, but I think the list he gave is valid
This debate has run its course. Stephano's record in 2012 vs Koreans who actually playing in GSL speaks for itself.
And what makes 01 / 01 / 2012 such an amazing date we have to skip all results before it ? If you want to pick a start date, you should pick the one when Stephano decided to become a pro, and that's around july 2011. 2 - 1 , gg Slivko. Would be nice to see a bo war won by Stephano for the next one I think Stephano did a lot better when Koreans didn't expect his style especially vs Terran. He's still extremely good vs Protoss (although not MC but MC doesn't play like anyone else). He has barely played ZvZ vs Koreans so I can't comment on that. But a lot of Koreans played Stephano at IPL and ESWC expecting Muta/Ling/Bane and what they got was Ling/Infestor/Ultra with super fast ups. Since Koreans started stealing his build and Terran's went into games vs Stephano knowing he plays like this Stephano has struggled badly. The reason I use 2012 is because it was when Koreans started playing Stephano knowing they were playing Stephano and not a standard Zerg. Once they realised that Stephano has struggled to win at all vs Korean Terran's. every zergs are struggling hard vs terran atm this thread keeps getting better :D SLIVKO SHOW THEM STEPHANO IS MORTAL!
I mean top top korean zergs vs top korean terrans i.e. the best reference
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On March 05 2012 07:03 kubiks wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2012 06:58 kubiks wrote:
what was the opening for the 4rth game ? didn't looked
Can anyone respond to my question, instead of discussing about stephano ? It's a goddamn livethread, not a general forum thread or stephano fanclub !
Hatch first (15 or 16) for Slivko, 14 pool 14 gas or smg like that for Stephano. Stephano went aggressive, took a slight lead, decided he didn't need banelings, and was proven the opposite :D
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On March 05 2012 07:03 JohnMatrix wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2012 07:00 Seraphone wrote:On March 05 2012 06:46 Ylrahc wrote:On March 05 2012 06:40 revel8 wrote:On March 05 2012 06:33 Seraphone wrote:On March 05 2012 06:19 Ylrahc wrote:On March 05 2012 06:08 Seraphone wrote:On March 05 2012 05:55 Zealot Orgy wrote:On March 05 2012 05:53 Seraphone wrote:On March 05 2012 05:50 Crying wrote:
Stephano could easily be Code S , if he was training in Korea,that guy is a monster guys. Just stop. Stephano's record vs top end Koreans is quite poor since ESWC. 2 messages in a row hating on Stephano, I know I shouldn't even answer, but whatever: He said he can be in codeS, he didn't say he can beat every "top end Korean" he faces. he wins under 50% of his games vs Koreans Proof ?
Stephano's record vs Korean players on LAN who actually competed in Season 1 of GSL 2012.
0-2 vs MKP
0-2 vs MC
1-4 vs Polt.
You take only LAN event, online events with $$ prizes aren't meaningful ? You disregard online events as well as events in winter 2011, I disregard HSC, it's my right as well as it's yours. See my point ? Thing is, it's your opinion vs mine, we both have "facts" to back it up, and while it's interesting to discuss it it's however tiring in the end because the same arguments are rehearsed every time. And we will never know, as Stephano will never play in GSL And it looks like Stephano is (again) going to take another EU tournament Online results are meaningless. You have no idea how much anyone is lagging or what hour of the night they're played in. It's just worthless for both sides. Stephano's record vs Koreans in full. 1-4 vs Polt 3-0 vs Puma 0-2 vs MKP 0-2 vs MC 0-2 vs Sound 0-1 vs MVP 0-1 vs MC 1-0 vs DRG 1-0 vs Hero 3-2 vs Tails 2-0 vs MKP 1-2 vs Boxer 0-2 vs TheSTC 4-0 vs Lucky 3-1 vs TheSTC 2-1 vs Inori 2-0 vs Violet 2-0 Boxer 0-2 vs Alive 0-2 vs MC In terms of series that's 10-10, in terms of games that's 25-24. Which means overall he has a 50% win rate. It's worth point out that half of his series and game wins were at IPL. If we only use games since IPL his record is 5-8. If we only use games in 2012 his record is 1-4 in series and 4-10. That's a 28% win rate vs Korean players (not all of whom were Code S/A) in 2012. You are just ignoring those results that are in favour of Stephano. You are ignoring the Blizzard Cup and pretending they are meaningless because they show Stephano can live with top level Koreans. Also you conveniently forgot that Stephano beat Real 2-0 at Assembly. So that means according to your own figures, Stephano has defeated Koreans most of the times he has played against them. No, he is not. And 2 0 vs Alive was at IPL pool play, so it's valid. Seraphone is maybe not a Stephano fan, but I think the list he gave is valid
This debate has run its course. Stephano's record in 2012 vs Koreans who actually playing in GSL speaks for itself.
And what makes 01 / 01 / 2012 such an amazing date we have to skip all results before it ? If you want to pick a start date, you should pick the one when Stephano decided to become a pro, and that's around july 2011. 2 - 1 , gg Slivko. Would be nice to see a bo war won by Stephano for the next one I think Stephano did a lot better when Koreans didn't expect his style especially vs Terran. He's still extremely good vs Protoss (although not MC but MC doesn't play like anyone else). He has barely played ZvZ vs Koreans so I can't comment on that. But a lot of Koreans played Stephano at IPL and ESWC expecting Muta/Ling/Bane and what they got was Ling/Infestor/Ultra with super fast ups. Since Koreans started stealing his build and Terran's went into games vs Stephano knowing he plays like this Stephano has struggled badly. The reason I use 2012 is because it was when Koreans started playing Stephano knowing they were playing Stephano and not a standard Zerg. Once they realised that Stephano has struggled to win at all vs Korean Terran's. every zergs are struggling hard vs terran atm
I don't think it has much to do with the Zerg race. I just think some of the major Zergs are coincidently slumping at once (Nestea, Losira, July).
Only five Zergs have ever really had success with Zerg in Korea (Nestea, Leenock, July, Losira, DRG).
I don't think you can make massive balance suggesstions of the back of one Code S. I just think Nestea isn't what he was (and he has always been weakest vs Terran anyway), Leenock got stuck in the Group of death and July and Losira have been slumping long before this Code S season.
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On March 05 2012 06:52 Seraphone wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2012 06:49 Zealot Orgy wrote:On March 05 2012 06:38 Seraphone wrote:
Bomber is definitely better than Stephano.
. Based on? Based on falling from codeS to codeA with disgustingly bad play? Oh wait, an allkilling the weakest korean team in the GSTL? On March 05 2012 06:38 Seraphone wrote:
Curious, ForGG and Happy probably are.
. Again, based on? On the fact that they have "codeS" written next to them? Their results are bad. Their games are unimpressive if not for Happy's TvZ. His name if Fin. And he's overrated. On March 05 2012 06:38 Seraphone wrote:
The thing that you're missing is that you don't make Code S by beating a guy like MVPTails or Hero once.
You make Code S by beating 5 MVP.Tails in a row in Code B and 3 Liquid'Hero's in a row in Code A without losing a single game. Again more false stuff. CodeA players: Idra, Huk, True, Core, Monster, Jjun, Sculp, Cezanne, Line, Life, asd, Seal, Hyun, Annyeong, Avenge, Terious. Hero is codeS level and he showed it. Your idea of having to beat "3 Hero" in codeA to get to codeS is out of this world, especially since you have right under your eyes the depressing list of codeA scrubs that tried this season. You're just extremely delusional on the level of a foreign player and you're extremely exaggerating the level of players who battle on codeA for a spot in codeS. The fact you even entertain the idea that Stephano is better than Bomber is hilarious. Hero is a borderline Code S player who will make Code S if he gets a solid bracket and plays well but isn't good enough to be Code S all the time. Why does Hero making Code S once matter more than the three times he didn't make it since he moved to Liquid?
It seems as though you think Bomber is still a relevant player when discussing top Korean talent. Why?
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The reality is that Stephano has hardly practiced vs Terran for the last 2 months. He has been focusing on fighting Protoss. So currently Stephano is not in tip-top condition against Terran and a player on top form like Polt can and should defeat him with clever play.
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On March 05 2012 07:09 The_Darkness wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2012 06:52 Seraphone wrote:On March 05 2012 06:49 Zealot Orgy wrote:On March 05 2012 06:38 Seraphone wrote:
Bomber is definitely better than Stephano.
. Based on? Based on falling from codeS to codeA with disgustingly bad play? Oh wait, an allkilling the weakest korean team in the GSTL? On March 05 2012 06:38 Seraphone wrote:
Curious, ForGG and Happy probably are.
. Again, based on? On the fact that they have "codeS" written next to them? Their results are bad. Their games are unimpressive if not for Happy's TvZ. His name if Fin. And he's overrated. On March 05 2012 06:38 Seraphone wrote:
The thing that you're missing is that you don't make Code S by beating a guy like MVPTails or Hero once.
You make Code S by beating 5 MVP.Tails in a row in Code B and 3 Liquid'Hero's in a row in Code A without losing a single game. Again more false stuff. CodeA players: Idra, Huk, True, Core, Monster, Jjun, Sculp, Cezanne, Line, Life, asd, Seal, Hyun, Annyeong, Avenge, Terious. Hero is codeS level and he showed it. Your idea of having to beat "3 Hero" in codeA to get to codeS is out of this world, especially since you have right under your eyes the depressing list of codeA scrubs that tried this season. You're just extremely delusional on the level of a foreign player and you're extremely exaggerating the level of players who battle on codeA for a spot in codeS. The fact you even entertain the idea that Stephano is better than Bomber is hilarious. Hero is a borderline Code S player who will make Code S if he gets a solid bracket and plays well but isn't good enough to be Code S all the time. Why does Hero making Code S once matter more than the three times he didn't make it since he moved to Liquid? It seems as though you think Bomber is still a relevant player when discussing top Korean talent. Why?
Bomber is just doing an MC. He's still a top quality player and will prove it soon enough.
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Much better with a baneling nest Stephano, huh...
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the casters love stephano to much
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Very well played by both players, so close in the last game for slivko
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The smiley face of victory
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On March 05 2012 07:05 HuKPOWA wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2012 07:03 JohnMatrix wrote:On March 05 2012 07:00 Seraphone wrote:On March 05 2012 06:46 Ylrahc wrote:On March 05 2012 06:40 revel8 wrote:On March 05 2012 06:33 Seraphone wrote:On March 05 2012 06:19 Ylrahc wrote:On March 05 2012 06:08 Seraphone wrote:On March 05 2012 05:55 Zealot Orgy wrote:On March 05 2012 05:53 Seraphone wrote:
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Just stop. Stephano's record vs top end Koreans is quite poor since ESWC. 2 messages in a row hating on Stephano, I know I shouldn't even answer, but whatever: He said he can be in codeS, he didn't say he can beat every "top end Korean" he faces. he wins under 50% of his games vs Koreans Proof ?
Stephano's record vs Korean players on LAN who actually competed in Season 1 of GSL 2012.
0-2 vs MKP
0-2 vs MC
1-4 vs Polt.
You take only LAN event, online events with $$ prizes aren't meaningful ? You disregard online events as well as events in winter 2011, I disregard HSC, it's my right as well as it's yours. See my point ? Thing is, it's your opinion vs mine, we both have "facts" to back it up, and while it's interesting to discuss it it's however tiring in the end because the same arguments are rehearsed every time. And we will never know, as Stephano will never play in GSL And it looks like Stephano is (again) going to take another EU tournament Online results are meaningless. You have no idea how much anyone is lagging or what hour of the night they're played in. It's just worthless for both sides. Stephano's record vs Koreans in full. 1-4 vs Polt 3-0 vs Puma 0-2 vs MKP 0-2 vs MC 0-2 vs Sound 0-1 vs MVP 0-1 vs MC 1-0 vs DRG 1-0 vs Hero 3-2 vs Tails 2-0 vs MKP 1-2 vs Boxer 0-2 vs TheSTC 4-0 vs Lucky 3-1 vs TheSTC 2-1 vs Inori 2-0 vs Violet 2-0 Boxer 0-2 vs Alive 0-2 vs MC In terms of series that's 10-10, in terms of games that's 25-24. Which means overall he has a 50% win rate. It's worth point out that half of his series and game wins were at IPL. If we only use games since IPL his record is 5-8. If we only use games in 2012 his record is 1-4 in series and 4-10. That's a 28% win rate vs Korean players (not all of whom were Code S/A) in 2012. You are just ignoring those results that are in favour of Stephano. You are ignoring the Blizzard Cup and pretending they are meaningless because they show Stephano can live with top level Koreans. Also you conveniently forgot that Stephano beat Real 2-0 at Assembly. So that means according to your own figures, Stephano has defeated Koreans most of the times he has played against them. No, he is not. And 2 0 vs Alive was at IPL pool play, so it's valid. Seraphone is maybe not a Stephano fan, but I think the list he gave is valid
This debate has run its course. Stephano's record in 2012 vs Koreans who actually playing in GSL speaks for itself.
And what makes 01 / 01 / 2012 such an amazing date we have to skip all results before it ? If you want to pick a start date, you should pick the one when Stephano decided to become a pro, and that's around july 2011. 2 - 1 , gg Slivko. Would be nice to see a bo war won by Stephano for the next one I think Stephano did a lot better when Koreans didn't expect his style especially vs Terran. He's still extremely good vs Protoss (although not MC but MC doesn't play like anyone else). He has barely played ZvZ vs Koreans so I can't comment on that. But a lot of Koreans played Stephano at IPL and ESWC expecting Muta/Ling/Bane and what they got was Ling/Infestor/Ultra with super fast ups. Since Koreans started stealing his build and Terran's went into games vs Stephano knowing he plays like this Stephano has struggled badly. The reason I use 2012 is because it was when Koreans started playing Stephano knowing they were playing Stephano and not a standard Zerg. Once they realised that Stephano has struggled to win at all vs Korean Terran's. every zergs are struggling hard vs terran atm this thread keeps getting better :D SLIVKO SHOW THEM STEPHANO IS MORTAL!
yeah right come back another time
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Slivko has a lot of potential as the next big breakout Zerg in Europe.
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On March 05 2012 07:17 FaRess wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2012 07:05 HuKPOWA wrote:On March 05 2012 07:03 JohnMatrix wrote:On March 05 2012 07:00 Seraphone wrote:On March 05 2012 06:46 Ylrahc wrote:On March 05 2012 06:40 revel8 wrote:On March 05 2012 06:33 Seraphone wrote:On March 05 2012 06:19 Ylrahc wrote:On March 05 2012 06:08 Seraphone wrote:On March 05 2012 05:55 Zealot Orgy wrote:
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2 messages in a row hating on Stephano, I know I shouldn't even answer, but whatever:
He said he can be in codeS, he didn't say he can beat every "top end Korean" he faces. he wins under 50% of his games vs Koreans Proof ?
Stephano's record vs Korean players on LAN who actually competed in Season 1 of GSL 2012.
0-2 vs MKP
0-2 vs MC
1-4 vs Polt.
You take only LAN event, online events with $$ prizes aren't meaningful ? You disregard online events as well as events in winter 2011, I disregard HSC, it's my right as well as it's yours. See my point ? Thing is, it's your opinion vs mine, we both have "facts" to back it up, and while it's interesting to discuss it it's however tiring in the end because the same arguments are rehearsed every time. And we will never know, as Stephano will never play in GSL And it looks like Stephano is (again) going to take another EU tournament Online results are meaningless. You have no idea how much anyone is lagging or what hour of the night they're played in. It's just worthless for both sides. Stephano's record vs Koreans in full. 1-4 vs Polt 3-0 vs Puma 0-2 vs MKP 0-2 vs MC 0-2 vs Sound 0-1 vs MVP 0-1 vs MC 1-0 vs DRG 1-0 vs Hero 3-2 vs Tails 2-0 vs MKP 1-2 vs Boxer 0-2 vs TheSTC 4-0 vs Lucky 3-1 vs TheSTC 2-1 vs Inori 2-0 vs Violet 2-0 Boxer 0-2 vs Alive 0-2 vs MC In terms of series that's 10-10, in terms of games that's 25-24. Which means overall he has a 50% win rate. It's worth point out that half of his series and game wins were at IPL. If we only use games since IPL his record is 5-8. If we only use games in 2012 his record is 1-4 in series and 4-10. That's a 28% win rate vs Korean players (not all of whom were Code S/A) in 2012. You are just ignoring those results that are in favour of Stephano. You are ignoring the Blizzard Cup and pretending they are meaningless because they show Stephano can live with top level Koreans. Also you conveniently forgot that Stephano beat Real 2-0 at Assembly. So that means according to your own figures, Stephano has defeated Koreans most of the times he has played against them. No, he is not. And 2 0 vs Alive was at IPL pool play, so it's valid. Seraphone is maybe not a Stephano fan, but I think the list he gave is valid
This debate has run its course. Stephano's record in 2012 vs Koreans who actually playing in GSL speaks for itself.
And what makes 01 / 01 / 2012 such an amazing date we have to skip all results before it ? If you want to pick a start date, you should pick the one when Stephano decided to become a pro, and that's around july 2011. 2 - 1 , gg Slivko. Would be nice to see a bo war won by Stephano for the next one I think Stephano did a lot better when Koreans didn't expect his style especially vs Terran. He's still extremely good vs Protoss (although not MC but MC doesn't play like anyone else). He has barely played ZvZ vs Koreans so I can't comment on that. But a lot of Koreans played Stephano at IPL and ESWC expecting Muta/Ling/Bane and what they got was Ling/Infestor/Ultra with super fast ups. Since Koreans started stealing his build and Terran's went into games vs Stephano knowing he plays like this Stephano has struggled badly. The reason I use 2012 is because it was when Koreans started playing Stephano knowing they were playing Stephano and not a standard Zerg. Once they realised that Stephano has struggled to win at all vs Korean Terran's. every zergs are struggling hard vs terran atm this thread keeps getting better :D SLIVKO SHOW THEM STEPHANO IS MORTAL! yeah right come back another time
going 2-3 against a pretty new up and comer....yes...i would say he is mortal <3
grats to stephano...u still need to work on ur ZvZ <3
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Yeah, very nice series, Stephano has a slight edge when it comes to conventional ZvZ play, but both held attacks with incredible micro & decisions. ZvZ is nail-biting when it comes down to the single baneling that makes all the difference in the world
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gg wp
Gratz to stephano. To the bank!
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On March 05 2012 07:18 HuKPOWA wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2012 07:17 FaRess wrote:On March 05 2012 07:05 HuKPOWA wrote:On March 05 2012 07:03 JohnMatrix wrote:On March 05 2012 07:00 Seraphone wrote:On March 05 2012 06:46 Ylrahc wrote:On March 05 2012 06:40 revel8 wrote:On March 05 2012 06:33 Seraphone wrote:On March 05 2012 06:19 Ylrahc wrote:On March 05 2012 06:08 Seraphone wrote:
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he wins under 50% of his games vs Koreans
Proof ?
Stephano's record vs Korean players on LAN who actually competed in Season 1 of GSL 2012.
0-2 vs MKP
0-2 vs MC
1-4 vs Polt.
You take only LAN event, online events with $$ prizes aren't meaningful ? You disregard online events as well as events in winter 2011, I disregard HSC, it's my right as well as it's yours. See my point ? Thing is, it's your opinion vs mine, we both have "facts" to back it up, and while it's interesting to discuss it it's however tiring in the end because the same arguments are rehearsed every time. And we will never know, as Stephano will never play in GSL And it looks like Stephano is (again) going to take another EU tournament Online results are meaningless. You have no idea how much anyone is lagging or what hour of the night they're played in. It's just worthless for both sides. Stephano's record vs Koreans in full. 1-4 vs Polt 3-0 vs Puma 0-2 vs MKP 0-2 vs MC 0-2 vs Sound 0-1 vs MVP 0-1 vs MC 1-0 vs DRG 1-0 vs Hero 3-2 vs Tails 2-0 vs MKP 1-2 vs Boxer 0-2 vs TheSTC 4-0 vs Lucky 3-1 vs TheSTC 2-1 vs Inori 2-0 vs Violet 2-0 Boxer 0-2 vs Alive 0-2 vs MC In terms of series that's 10-10, in terms of games that's 25-24. Which means overall he has a 50% win rate. It's worth point out that half of his series and game wins were at IPL. If we only use games since IPL his record is 5-8. If we only use games in 2012 his record is 1-4 in series and 4-10. That's a 28% win rate vs Korean players (not all of whom were Code S/A) in 2012. You are just ignoring those results that are in favour of Stephano. You are ignoring the Blizzard Cup and pretending they are meaningless because they show Stephano can live with top level Koreans. Also you conveniently forgot that Stephano beat Real 2-0 at Assembly. So that means according to your own figures, Stephano has defeated Koreans most of the times he has played against them. No, he is not. And 2 0 vs Alive was at IPL pool play, so it's valid. Seraphone is maybe not a Stephano fan, but I think the list he gave is valid
This debate has run its course. Stephano's record in 2012 vs Koreans who actually playing in GSL speaks for itself.
And what makes 01 / 01 / 2012 such an amazing date we have to skip all results before it ? If you want to pick a start date, you should pick the one when Stephano decided to become a pro, and that's around july 2011. 2 - 1 , gg Slivko. Would be nice to see a bo war won by Stephano for the next one I think Stephano did a lot better when Koreans didn't expect his style especially vs Terran. He's still extremely good vs Protoss (although not MC but MC doesn't play like anyone else). He has barely played ZvZ vs Koreans so I can't comment on that. But a lot of Koreans played Stephano at IPL and ESWC expecting Muta/Ling/Bane and what they got was Ling/Infestor/Ultra with super fast ups. Since Koreans started stealing his build and Terran's went into games vs Stephano knowing he plays like this Stephano has struggled badly. The reason I use 2012 is because it was when Koreans started playing Stephano knowing they were playing Stephano and not a standard Zerg. Once they realised that Stephano has struggled to win at all vs Korean Terran's. every zergs are struggling hard vs terran atm this thread keeps getting better :D SLIVKO SHOW THEM STEPHANO IS MORTAL! yeah right come back another time going 2-3 against a pretty new up and comer....yes...i would say he is mortal <3 grats to stephano...u still need to work on ur ZvZ <3
slivko is really good and already beats stephano in a bo3 in IEM Kiev qualification tournament if i remember right.
nice job stephano won 3 scan invitational.
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On March 05 2012 07:18 HuKPOWA wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2012 07:17 FaRess wrote:On March 05 2012 07:05 HuKPOWA wrote:On March 05 2012 07:03 JohnMatrix wrote:On March 05 2012 07:00 Seraphone wrote:On March 05 2012 06:46 Ylrahc wrote:On March 05 2012 06:40 revel8 wrote:On March 05 2012 06:33 Seraphone wrote:On March 05 2012 06:19 Ylrahc wrote:On March 05 2012 06:08 Seraphone wrote:
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he wins under 50% of his games vs Koreans
Proof ?
Stephano's record vs Korean players on LAN who actually competed in Season 1 of GSL 2012.
0-2 vs MKP
0-2 vs MC
1-4 vs Polt.
You take only LAN event, online events with $$ prizes aren't meaningful ? You disregard online events as well as events in winter 2011, I disregard HSC, it's my right as well as it's yours. See my point ? Thing is, it's your opinion vs mine, we both have "facts" to back it up, and while it's interesting to discuss it it's however tiring in the end because the same arguments are rehearsed every time. And we will never know, as Stephano will never play in GSL And it looks like Stephano is (again) going to take another EU tournament Online results are meaningless. You have no idea how much anyone is lagging or what hour of the night they're played in. It's just worthless for both sides. Stephano's record vs Koreans in full. 1-4 vs Polt 3-0 vs Puma 0-2 vs MKP 0-2 vs MC 0-2 vs Sound 0-1 vs MVP 0-1 vs MC 1-0 vs DRG 1-0 vs Hero 3-2 vs Tails 2-0 vs MKP 1-2 vs Boxer 0-2 vs TheSTC 4-0 vs Lucky 3-1 vs TheSTC 2-1 vs Inori 2-0 vs Violet 2-0 Boxer 0-2 vs Alive 0-2 vs MC In terms of series that's 10-10, in terms of games that's 25-24. Which means overall he has a 50% win rate. It's worth point out that half of his series and game wins were at IPL. If we only use games since IPL his record is 5-8. If we only use games in 2012 his record is 1-4 in series and 4-10. That's a 28% win rate vs Korean players (not all of whom were Code S/A) in 2012. You are just ignoring those results that are in favour of Stephano. You are ignoring the Blizzard Cup and pretending they are meaningless because they show Stephano can live with top level Koreans. Also you conveniently forgot that Stephano beat Real 2-0 at Assembly. So that means according to your own figures, Stephano has defeated Koreans most of the times he has played against them. No, he is not. And 2 0 vs Alive was at IPL pool play, so it's valid. Seraphone is maybe not a Stephano fan, but I think the list he gave is valid
This debate has run its course. Stephano's record in 2012 vs Koreans who actually playing in GSL speaks for itself.
And what makes 01 / 01 / 2012 such an amazing date we have to skip all results before it ? If you want to pick a start date, you should pick the one when Stephano decided to become a pro, and that's around july 2011. 2 - 1 , gg Slivko. Would be nice to see a bo war won by Stephano for the next one I think Stephano did a lot better when Koreans didn't expect his style especially vs Terran. He's still extremely good vs Protoss (although not MC but MC doesn't play like anyone else). He has barely played ZvZ vs Koreans so I can't comment on that. But a lot of Koreans played Stephano at IPL and ESWC expecting Muta/Ling/Bane and what they got was Ling/Infestor/Ultra with super fast ups. Since Koreans started stealing his build and Terran's went into games vs Stephano knowing he plays like this Stephano has struggled badly. The reason I use 2012 is because it was when Koreans started playing Stephano knowing they were playing Stephano and not a standard Zerg. Once they realised that Stephano has struggled to win at all vs Korean Terran's. every zergs are struggling hard vs terran atm this thread keeps getting better :D SLIVKO SHOW THEM STEPHANO IS MORTAL! yeah right come back another time going 2-3 against a pretty new up and comer....yes...i would say he is mortal <3 grats to stephano...u still need to work on ur ZvZ <3
If you look at the build orders, it would have been closer to 1-4. The fact that he managed to put up a good fight even on opening that weren't in his favor shows he's good
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