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On March 05 2012 06:28 Zealot Orgy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2012 06:08 Seraphone wrote:
You are Code S/A level when you earn it and keep it like Huk did for a time. You're not Code A or S level by winning online/offline tournaments vs foreigners who are also not Code A. Whether Stephano could hang in Code A or S or not, he needs to prove it by winning three Code A games in a row and then maintaining his spot over a Code S season.
And that is why people need to theorize about whether he could or could not be in codeS, because he's not willing to participate in the GSL at all. Comparing A with B is a natural thing to everyone that seeks competition, you see A guy doing well, and you compare it to the other B guy, even if they never played each other and they are in different leagues. If you'd have to judge only based on the games they play, one could not possibly argument that players like Nada, Keen, Curious, Yugioh, Inca, Fin, Bomber and Happy are better players than Stephano, even if, yes, they got to codeS by themselves because they played in codeA, none's saying they deserve it less than Stephano. It's just a natural thing to compare players.
Bomber is definitely better than Stephano.
Curious, ForGG and Happy probably are.
The thing that you're missing is that you don't make Code S by beating a guy like MVPTails or Hero once.
You make Code S by beating 5 MVP.Tails in a row in Code B and 3 Liquid'Hero's in a row in Code A without losing a single game.
That is how hard GSL is.
A lot of people seem to think that beating players like this half the time is good enough, it's not. You need to beat these players all the time because if you don't win all your games in a row you won't make Code S.
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On March 05 2012 06:38 Zealot Orgy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2012 06:33 Seraphone wrote:
In terms of series that's 10-10, in terms of games that's 25-24.
10-9 25-22 aLive's 2-0 is a forfeit.
No it wasn't. I'm not talking about online tournaments. They played at IPL3.
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On March 05 2012 06:33 Seraphone wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2012 06:19 Ylrahc wrote:On March 05 2012 06:08 Seraphone wrote:On March 05 2012 05:55 Zealot Orgy wrote:On March 05 2012 05:53 Seraphone wrote:On March 05 2012 05:50 Crying wrote:
Stephano could easily be Code S , if he was training in Korea,that guy is a monster guys. Just stop. Stephano's record vs top end Koreans is quite poor since ESWC. 2 messages in a row hating on Stephano, I know I shouldn't even answer, but whatever: He said he can be in codeS, he didn't say he can beat every "top end Korean" he faces. he wins under 50% of his games vs Koreans Proof ?
Stephano's record vs Korean players on LAN who actually competed in Season 1 of GSL 2012.
0-2 vs MKP
0-2 vs MC
1-4 vs Polt.
You take only LAN event, online events with $$ prizes aren't meaningful ? You disregard online events as well as events in winter 2011, I disregard HSC, it's my right as well as it's yours. See my point ? Thing is, it's your opinion vs mine, we both have "facts" to back it up, and while it's interesting to discuss it it's however tiring in the end because the same arguments are rehearsed every time. And we will never know, as Stephano will never play in GSL  And it looks like Stephano is (again) going to take another EU tournament  Online results are meaningless. You have no idea how much anyone is lagging or what hour of the night they're played in. It's just worthless for both sides. Stephano's record vs Koreans in full. 1-4 vs Polt 3-0 vs Puma 0-2 vs MKP 0-2 vs MC 0-2 vs Sound 0-1 vs MVP 0-1 vs MC 1-0 vs DRG 1-0 vs Hero 3-2 vs Tails 2-0 vs MKP 1-2 vs Boxer 0-2 vs TheSTC 4-0 vs Lucky 3-1 vs TheSTC 2-1 vs Inori 2-0 vs Violet 2-0 Boxer 0-2 vs Alive 0-2 vs MC In terms of series that's 10-10, in terms of games that's 25-24. Which means overall he has a 50% win rate. It's worth point out that half of his series and game wins were at IPL. If we only use games since IPL his record is 5-8. If we only use games in 2012 his record is 1-4 in series and 4-10. That's a 28% win rate vs Korean players (not all of whom were Code S/A) in 2012.
You are just ignoring those results that are in favour of Stephano. You are ignoring the Blizzard Cup and pretending they are meaningless because they show Stephano can live with top level Koreans.
Also you conveniently forgot that Stephano beat Real 2-0 at Assembly. So that means according to your own figures, Stephano has defeated Koreans most of the times he has played against them. He has also beaten MMA previously, again you strangely has somehow forgotten to list that in your 'full record against Koreans.' Hmmm.
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On March 05 2012 06:38 Seraphone wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2012 06:28 Zealot Orgy wrote:On March 05 2012 06:08 Seraphone wrote:
You are Code S/A level when you earn it and keep it like Huk did for a time. You're not Code A or S level by winning online/offline tournaments vs foreigners who are also not Code A. Whether Stephano could hang in Code A or S or not, he needs to prove it by winning three Code A games in a row and then maintaining his spot over a Code S season.
And that is why people need to theorize about whether he could or could not be in codeS, because he's not willing to participate in the GSL at all. Comparing A with B is a natural thing to everyone that seeks competition, you see A guy doing well, and you compare it to the other B guy, even if they never played each other and they are in different leagues. If you'd have to judge only based on the games they play, one could not possibly argument that players like Nada, Keen, Curious, Yugioh, Inca, Fin, Bomber and Happy are better players than Stephano, even if, yes, they got to codeS by themselves because they played in codeA, none's saying they deserve it less than Stephano. It's just a natural thing to compare players. Bomber is definitely better than Stephano. Curious, ForGG and Happy probably are. The thing that you're missing is that you don't make Code S by beating a guy like MVPTails or Hero once. You make Code S by beating 5 MVP.Tails in a row in Code B and 3 Liquid'Hero's in a row in Code A without losing a single game. That is how hard GSL is. A lot of people seem to think that beating players like this half the time is good enough, it's not. You need to beat these players all the time because if you don't win all your games in a row you won't make Code S.
and now you're gonna tell us that DRG is obviously not Code S level since he failed to qualify to Code A, right?
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On March 05 2012 06:40 jazzyjazz wrote:
=( Ret. That was a pretty bad engagement in the end with the vikings surrounding the broodlords. But upgraded marines are just SO effective against zerg in the lategame T.T having a few more spinecrawlers may help though.
wrong thread maybe?
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On March 05 2012 06:33 Seraphone wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2012 06:19 Ylrahc wrote:On March 05 2012 06:08 Seraphone wrote:On March 05 2012 05:55 Zealot Orgy wrote:On March 05 2012 05:53 Seraphone wrote:On March 05 2012 05:50 Crying wrote:
Stephano could easily be Code S , if he was training in Korea,that guy is a monster guys. Just stop. Stephano's record vs top end Koreans is quite poor since ESWC. 2 messages in a row hating on Stephano, I know I shouldn't even answer, but whatever: He said he can be in codeS, he didn't say he can beat every "top end Korean" he faces. he wins under 50% of his games vs Koreans Proof ?
Stephano's record vs Korean players on LAN who actually competed in Season 1 of GSL 2012.
0-2 vs MKP
0-2 vs MC
1-4 vs Polt.
You take only LAN event, online events with $$ prizes aren't meaningful ? You disregard online events as well as events in winter 2011, I disregard HSC, it's my right as well as it's yours. See my point ? Thing is, it's your opinion vs mine, we both have "facts" to back it up, and while it's interesting to discuss it it's however tiring in the end because the same arguments are rehearsed every time. And we will never know, as Stephano will never play in GSL And it looks like Stephano is (again) going to take another EU tournament Online results are meaningless. You have no idea how much anyone is lagging or what hour of the night they're played in. It's just worthless for both sides. Stephano's record vs Koreans in full. 1-4 vs Polt 3-0 vs Puma 0-2 vs MKP 0-2 vs MC 0-2 vs Sound 0-1 vs MVP 0-1 vs MC 1-0 vs DRG 1-0 vs Hero 3-2 vs Tails 2-0 vs MKP 1-2 vs Boxer 0-2 vs TheSTC 4-0 vs Lucky 3-1 vs TheSTC 2-1 vs Inori 2-0 vs Violet 2-0 Boxer 0-2 vs Alive 0-2 vs MC In terms of series that's 10-10, in terms of games that's 25-24. Which means overall he has a 50% win rate. It's worth point out that half of his series and game wins were at IPL. If we only use games since IPL his record is 5-8. If we only use games in 2012 his record is 1-4 in series and 4-10. That's a 28% win rate vs Korean players (not all of whom were Code S/A) in 2012.
If you treat 2011 results as meaningless because they are too far away, I treat HSC as meaningless because he was drunk and not trying his best. And overall in 2012 there are not enough games to have a valuable sample.
If we put IPL3 out (underdog and on fire) and HSC out (drunk), it's still more or less 50%...
If you add online events, he is largely over 50% I think. And I really don't see why we should completely rule them out, especially games played on US server which are widely regarded as more or less balanced.
Which doesn't mean I think he can win GSL or even reach top8. Only zerg able to do that atm is DRG, his ZvT is so much better than Stephano atm.
And that's 2 - 0, clean sweep inc ?
Mh, I'd say slivko has the edge on the third.
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Lol stephano just had the bad end of the build order for the 3rd time in a row...
Slivko is kinda lucky (but luck isn't enough facing stephano :D)
Edit : well it seems it finnaly paid :D
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On March 05 2012 06:40 jazzyjazz wrote:
=( Ret. That was a pretty bad engagement in the end with the vikings surrounding the broodlords. But upgraded marines are just SO effective against zerg in the lategame T.T having a few more spinecrawlers may help though.
Wrong topic imO :<<
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On March 05 2012 06:40 revel8 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2012 06:33 Seraphone wrote:On March 05 2012 06:19 Ylrahc wrote:On March 05 2012 06:08 Seraphone wrote:On March 05 2012 05:55 Zealot Orgy wrote:On March 05 2012 05:53 Seraphone wrote:On March 05 2012 05:50 Crying wrote:
Stephano could easily be Code S , if he was training in Korea,that guy is a monster guys. Just stop. Stephano's record vs top end Koreans is quite poor since ESWC. 2 messages in a row hating on Stephano, I know I shouldn't even answer, but whatever: He said he can be in codeS, he didn't say he can beat every "top end Korean" he faces. he wins under 50% of his games vs Koreans Proof ?
Stephano's record vs Korean players on LAN who actually competed in Season 1 of GSL 2012.
0-2 vs MKP
0-2 vs MC
1-4 vs Polt.
You take only LAN event, online events with $$ prizes aren't meaningful ? You disregard online events as well as events in winter 2011, I disregard HSC, it's my right as well as it's yours. See my point ? Thing is, it's your opinion vs mine, we both have "facts" to back it up, and while it's interesting to discuss it it's however tiring in the end because the same arguments are rehearsed every time. And we will never know, as Stephano will never play in GSL And it looks like Stephano is (again) going to take another EU tournament Online results are meaningless. You have no idea how much anyone is lagging or what hour of the night they're played in. It's just worthless for both sides. Stephano's record vs Koreans in full. 1-4 vs Polt 3-0 vs Puma 0-2 vs MKP 0-2 vs MC 0-2 vs Sound 0-1 vs MVP 0-1 vs MC 1-0 vs DRG 1-0 vs Hero 3-2 vs Tails 2-0 vs MKP 1-2 vs Boxer 0-2 vs TheSTC 4-0 vs Lucky 3-1 vs TheSTC 2-1 vs Inori 2-0 vs Violet 2-0 Boxer 0-2 vs Alive 0-2 vs MC In terms of series that's 10-10, in terms of games that's 25-24. Which means overall he has a 50% win rate. It's worth point out that half of his series and game wins were at IPL. If we only use games since IPL his record is 5-8. If we only use games in 2012 his record is 1-4 in series and 4-10. That's a 28% win rate vs Korean players (not all of whom were Code S/A) in 2012. You are just ignoring those results that are in favour of Stephano. You are ignoring the Blizzard Cup and pretending they are meaningless because they show Stephano can live with top level Koreans. Also you conveniently forgot that Stephano beat Real 2-0 at Assembly. So that means according to your own figures, Stephano has defeated Koreans most of the times he has played against them.
Real is not a representative of the Korean scene. He might be from Korea but he lives in Germany, plays on a foreign team and has never played in the GSL.
This debate has run its course. Stephano's record in 2012 vs Koreans who actually playing in GSL speaks for itself.
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On March 05 2012 06:33 Seraphone wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2012 06:19 Ylrahc wrote:On March 05 2012 06:08 Seraphone wrote:On March 05 2012 05:55 Zealot Orgy wrote:On March 05 2012 05:53 Seraphone wrote:On March 05 2012 05:50 Crying wrote:
Stephano could easily be Code S , if he was training in Korea,that guy is a monster guys. Just stop. Stephano's record vs top end Koreans is quite poor since ESWC. 2 messages in a row hating on Stephano, I know I shouldn't even answer, but whatever: He said he can be in codeS, he didn't say he can beat every "top end Korean" he faces. he wins under 50% of his games vs Koreans Proof ?
Stephano's record vs Korean players on LAN who actually competed in Season 1 of GSL 2012.
0-2 vs MKP
0-2 vs MC
1-4 vs Polt.
You take only LAN event, online events with $$ prizes aren't meaningful ? You disregard online events as well as events in winter 2011, I disregard HSC, it's my right as well as it's yours. See my point ? Thing is, it's your opinion vs mine, we both have "facts" to back it up, and while it's interesting to discuss it it's however tiring in the end because the same arguments are rehearsed every time. And we will never know, as Stephano will never play in GSL And it looks like Stephano is (again) going to take another EU tournament Online results are meaningless. You have no idea how much anyone is lagging or what hour of the night they're played in. It's just worthless for both sides. Stephano's record vs Koreans in full. 1-4 vs Polt 3-0 vs Puma 0-2 vs MKP 0-2 vs MC 0-2 vs Sound 0-1 vs MVP 0-1 vs MC 1-0 vs DRG 1-0 vs Hero 3-2 vs Tails 2-0 vs MKP 1-2 vs Boxer 0-2 vs TheSTC 4-0 vs Lucky 3-1 vs TheSTC 2-1 vs Inori 2-0 vs Violet 2-0 Boxer 0-2 vs Alive 0-2 vs MC In terms of series that's 10-10, in terms of games that's 25-24. Which means overall he has a 50% win rate. It's worth point out that half of his series and game wins were at IPL. If we only use games since IPL his record is 5-8. If we only use games in 2012 his record is 1-4 in series and 4-10. That's a 28% win rate vs Korean players (not all of whom were Code S/A) in 2012.
If your going to be selective with Stephano's tournament results you might as well remove the Homestory IV games, I don't think anyone believes he took himself remotely seriously that weekend.
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On March 05 2012 06:40 revel8 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2012 06:33 Seraphone wrote:On March 05 2012 06:19 Ylrahc wrote:On March 05 2012 06:08 Seraphone wrote:On March 05 2012 05:55 Zealot Orgy wrote:On March 05 2012 05:53 Seraphone wrote:On March 05 2012 05:50 Crying wrote:
Stephano could easily be Code S , if he was training in Korea,that guy is a monster guys. Just stop. Stephano's record vs top end Koreans is quite poor since ESWC. 2 messages in a row hating on Stephano, I know I shouldn't even answer, but whatever: He said he can be in codeS, he didn't say he can beat every "top end Korean" he faces. he wins under 50% of his games vs Koreans Proof ?
Stephano's record vs Korean players on LAN who actually competed in Season 1 of GSL 2012.
0-2 vs MKP
0-2 vs MC
1-4 vs Polt.
You take only LAN event, online events with $$ prizes aren't meaningful ? You disregard online events as well as events in winter 2011, I disregard HSC, it's my right as well as it's yours. See my point ? Thing is, it's your opinion vs mine, we both have "facts" to back it up, and while it's interesting to discuss it it's however tiring in the end because the same arguments are rehearsed every time. And we will never know, as Stephano will never play in GSL And it looks like Stephano is (again) going to take another EU tournament Online results are meaningless. You have no idea how much anyone is lagging or what hour of the night they're played in. It's just worthless for both sides. Stephano's record vs Koreans in full. 1-4 vs Polt 3-0 vs Puma 0-2 vs MKP 0-2 vs MC 0-2 vs Sound 0-1 vs MVP 0-1 vs MC 1-0 vs DRG 1-0 vs Hero 3-2 vs Tails 2-0 vs MKP 1-2 vs Boxer 0-2 vs TheSTC 4-0 vs Lucky 3-1 vs TheSTC 2-1 vs Inori 2-0 vs Violet 2-0 Boxer 0-2 vs Alive 0-2 vs MC In terms of series that's 10-10, in terms of games that's 25-24. Which means overall he has a 50% win rate. It's worth point out that half of his series and game wins were at IPL. If we only use games since IPL his record is 5-8. If we only use games in 2012 his record is 1-4 in series and 4-10. That's a 28% win rate vs Korean players (not all of whom were Code S/A) in 2012. You are just ignoring those results that are in favour of Stephano. You are ignoring the Blizzard Cup and pretending they are meaningless because they show Stephano can live with top level Koreans. Also you conveniently forgot that Stephano beat Real 2-0 at Assembly. So that means according to your own figures, Stephano has defeated Koreans most of the times he has played against them.
No, he is not.
And 2 0 vs Alive was at IPL pool play, so it's valid.
Seraphone is maybe not a Stephano fan, but I think the list he gave is valid
This debate has run its course. Stephano's record in 2012 vs Koreans who actually playing in GSL speaks for itself.
And what makes 01 / 01 / 2012 such an amazing date we have to skip all results before it ?
If you want to pick a start date, you should pick the one when Stephano decided to become a pro, and that's around july 2011.
2 - 1 , gg Slivko.
Would be nice to see a bo war won by Stephano for the next one
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On March 05 2012 06:40 gwixter wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2012 06:38 Seraphone wrote:On March 05 2012 06:28 Zealot Orgy wrote:On March 05 2012 06:08 Seraphone wrote:
You are Code S/A level when you earn it and keep it like Huk did for a time. You're not Code A or S level by winning online/offline tournaments vs foreigners who are also not Code A. Whether Stephano could hang in Code A or S or not, he needs to prove it by winning three Code A games in a row and then maintaining his spot over a Code S season.
And that is why people need to theorize about whether he could or could not be in codeS, because he's not willing to participate in the GSL at all. Comparing A with B is a natural thing to everyone that seeks competition, you see A guy doing well, and you compare it to the other B guy, even if they never played each other and they are in different leagues. If you'd have to judge only based on the games they play, one could not possibly argument that players like Nada, Keen, Curious, Yugioh, Inca, Fin, Bomber and Happy are better players than Stephano, even if, yes, they got to codeS by themselves because they played in codeA, none's saying they deserve it less than Stephano. It's just a natural thing to compare players. Bomber is definitely better than Stephano. Curious, ForGG and Happy probably are. The thing that you're missing is that you don't make Code S by beating a guy like MVPTails or Hero once. You make Code S by beating 5 MVP.Tails in a row in Code B and 3 Liquid'Hero's in a row in Code A without losing a single game. That is how hard GSL is. A lot of people seem to think that beating players like this half the time is good enough, it's not. You need to beat these players all the time because if you don't win all your games in a row you won't make Code S. and now you're gonna tell us that DRG is obviously not Code S level since he failed to qualify to Code A, right?
DRG not making Code S was fucking ages ago when barely anyone dropped from Code S and it was stupid hard to get in. Since the format revamp unless you get really bad bracket luck (Polt) or are slumping extremely hard (Bomber) you will get Code S if you're good enough.
That aside the fact that even guys like Polt and Bomber who are considerably better than Stephano have struggled to make Code S is yet more evidence that Stephano would not be able to beat 5 CreatorPrime's in a row to get there.
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On March 05 2012 06:38 Seraphone wrote:
Bomber is definitely better than Stephano.
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Based on?
Based on falling from codeS to codeA with disgustingly bad play? Oh wait, allkilling the weakest korean team in the GSTL?
On March 05 2012 06:38 Seraphone wrote:
Curious, ForGG and Happy probably are.
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Again, based on? On the fact that they have "codeS" written next to them?
Their results are bad. Their games are unimpressive if not for Happy's TvZ.
His name is Fin. And he's overrated.
On March 05 2012 06:38 Seraphone wrote:
The thing that you're missing is that you don't make Code S by beating a guy like MVPTails or Hero once.
You make Code S by beating 5 MVP.Tails in a row in Code B and 3 Liquid'Hero's in a row in Code A without losing a single game.
Again more false stuff.
CodeA players:
Idra, Huk, True, Core, Monster, Jjun, Sculp, Cezanne, Line, Life, asd, Seal, Hyun, Annyeong, Avenge, Terious.
Hero is codeS level and he showed it. Your idea of having to beat "3 Hero" in codeA to get to codeS is out of this world, especially since you have right under your eyes the depressing list of codeA scrubs that tried this season.
You're just extremely delusional on the level of a foreign player and you're extremely exaggerating the level of players who battle on codeA for a spot in codeS.
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omg why every thread must turn into a stephano discuss O_O
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On March 05 2012 06:49 Zealot Orgy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2012 06:38 Seraphone wrote:
Bomber is definitely better than Stephano.
. Based on? Based on falling from codeS to codeA with disgustingly bad play? Oh wait, an allkilling the weakest korean team in the GSTL? Show nested quote +On March 05 2012 06:38 Seraphone wrote:
Curious, ForGG and Happy probably are.
. Again, based on? On the fact that they have "codeS" written next to them? Their results are bad. Their games are unimpressive if not for Happy's TvZ. His name if Fin. And he's overrated. Show nested quote +On March 05 2012 06:38 Seraphone wrote:
The thing that you're missing is that you don't make Code S by beating a guy like MVPTails or Hero once.
You make Code S by beating 5 MVP.Tails in a row in Code B and 3 Liquid'Hero's in a row in Code A without losing a single game. Again more false stuff. CodeA players: Idra, Huk, True, Core, Monster, Jjun, Sculp, Cezanne, Line, Life, asd, Seal, Hyun, Annyeong, Avenge, Terious. Hero is codeS level and he showed it. Your idea of having to beat "3 Hero" in codeA to get to codeS is out of this world, especially since you have right under your eyes the depressing list of codeA scrubs that tried this season. You're just extremely delusional on the level of a foreign player and you're extremely exaggerating the level of players who battle on codeA for a spot in codeS.
Jesus what a diehard...stephano fan...why don't u just relax ur hands and stop raging at the people who aren't gonna read what u said and post whatever they want?
When will people learn not to feed the trolls....should be a TL rule
<3 Slivko!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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On March 05 2012 06:49 Zealot Orgy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2012 06:38 Seraphone wrote:
Bomber is definitely better than Stephano.
. Based on? Based on falling from codeS to codeA with disgustingly bad play? Oh wait, an allkilling the weakest korean team in the GSTL? Show nested quote +On March 05 2012 06:38 Seraphone wrote:
Curious, ForGG and Happy probably are.
. Again, based on? On the fact that they have "codeS" written next to them? Their results are bad. Their games are unimpressive if not for Happy's TvZ. His name if Fin. And he's overrated. Show nested quote +On March 05 2012 06:38 Seraphone wrote:
The thing that you're missing is that you don't make Code S by beating a guy like MVPTails or Hero once.
You make Code S by beating 5 MVP.Tails in a row in Code B and 3 Liquid'Hero's in a row in Code A without losing a single game. Again more false stuff. CodeA players: Idra, Huk, True, Core, Monster, Jjun, Sculp, Cezanne, Line, Life, asd, Seal, Hyun, Annyeong, Avenge, Terious. Hero is codeS level and he showed it. Your idea of having to beat "3 Hero" in codeA to get to codeS is out of this world, especially since you have right under your eyes the depressing list of codeA scrubs that tried this season. You're just extremely delusional on the level of a foreign player and you're extremely exaggerating the level of players who battle on codeA for a spot in codeS.
The fact you even entertain the idea that Stephano is better than Bomber is hilarious. Hero is a borderline Code S player who will make Code S if he gets a solid bracket and plays well but isn't good enough to be Code S all the time. Why does Hero making Code S once matter more than the three times he didn't make it since he moved to Liquid?
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On March 05 2012 06:43 Sea_aeS wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2012 06:40 jazzyjazz wrote:
=( Ret. That was a pretty bad engagement in the end with the vikings surrounding the broodlords. But upgraded marines are just SO effective against zerg in the lategame T.T having a few more spinecrawlers may help though. Wrong topic imO :<<
Sorry.
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"Dammit!!!!!"
"Hey, are you ok? What happend??!"
And now I want to know also!!
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On March 05 2012 06:43 Seraphone wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2012 06:40 revel8 wrote:On March 05 2012 06:33 Seraphone wrote:On March 05 2012 06:19 Ylrahc wrote:On March 05 2012 06:08 Seraphone wrote:On March 05 2012 05:55 Zealot Orgy wrote:On March 05 2012 05:53 Seraphone wrote:On March 05 2012 05:50 Crying wrote:
Stephano could easily be Code S , if he was training in Korea,that guy is a monster guys. Just stop. Stephano's record vs top end Koreans is quite poor since ESWC. 2 messages in a row hating on Stephano, I know I shouldn't even answer, but whatever: He said he can be in codeS, he didn't say he can beat every "top end Korean" he faces. he wins under 50% of his games vs Koreans Proof ?
Stephano's record vs Korean players on LAN who actually competed in Season 1 of GSL 2012.
0-2 vs MKP
0-2 vs MC
1-4 vs Polt.
You take only LAN event, online events with $$ prizes aren't meaningful ? You disregard online events as well as events in winter 2011, I disregard HSC, it's my right as well as it's yours. See my point ? Thing is, it's your opinion vs mine, we both have "facts" to back it up, and while it's interesting to discuss it it's however tiring in the end because the same arguments are rehearsed every time. And we will never know, as Stephano will never play in GSL And it looks like Stephano is (again) going to take another EU tournament Online results are meaningless. You have no idea how much anyone is lagging or what hour of the night they're played in. It's just worthless for both sides. Stephano's record vs Koreans in full. 1-4 vs Polt 3-0 vs Puma 0-2 vs MKP 0-2 vs MC 0-2 vs Sound 0-1 vs MVP 0-1 vs MC 1-0 vs DRG 1-0 vs Hero 3-2 vs Tails 2-0 vs MKP 1-2 vs Boxer 0-2 vs TheSTC 4-0 vs Lucky 3-1 vs TheSTC 2-1 vs Inori 2-0 vs Violet 2-0 Boxer 0-2 vs Alive 0-2 vs MC In terms of series that's 10-10, in terms of games that's 25-24. Which means overall he has a 50% win rate. It's worth point out that half of his series and game wins were at IPL. If we only use games since IPL his record is 5-8. If we only use games in 2012 his record is 1-4 in series and 4-10. That's a 28% win rate vs Korean players (not all of whom were Code S/A) in 2012. You are just ignoring those results that are in favour of Stephano. You are ignoring the Blizzard Cup and pretending they are meaningless because they show Stephano can live with top level Koreans. Also you conveniently forgot that Stephano beat Real 2-0 at Assembly. So that means according to your own figures, Stephano has defeated Koreans most of the times he has played against them. Real is not a representative of the Korean scene. He might be from Korea but he lives in Germany, plays on a foreign team and has never played in the GSL. This debate has run its course. Stephano's record in 2012 vs Koreans who actually playing in GSL speaks for itself.
The debate has not run it's course but possibly you're arguments have. You have just selectively ignored those Korean results that weaken your argument. Why ignore the Zenio result this weekend? Why ignore the Real result? Why ignore the Blizzard Cup results? Why ignore the MMA result? All these results are part of the data-set and cannot be swept under the carpet. If you are going to have a complete list of Korean results, then make it a complete list or don't bother.
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