EPTScan Invitational #4 Live Thread - Page 13
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m0ck
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andis35
Latvia346 Posts
On March 05 2012 06:20 hrvoje07 wrote: Huge winning record against huk and sase, and naniwa/thorzain are just not winning enough stuff like him Beating Nestea and Leenock right each after another is not enough? | ||
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nam nam
Sweden4672 Posts
On March 05 2012 06:20 hrvoje07 wrote: Huge winning record against huk and sase, and naniwa/thorzain are just not winning enough stuff like him Thorzain I agree with but it's not really fair to compare how much he's winning with players living in Korea. It will always favor a top eu or na player not living in Korea. If you want to argue he's better than Huk and Naniwa fine, but please don't use the amount of tournaments won as a argument. | ||
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Seraphone
United Kingdom1219 Posts
They weren't played in 2012. And they were best of 1's which proved nothing either way. Best of 1's are really dumb. Like DRG did a real bad all in vs Stephano and lost. Stephano did a crappy all in vs MC and lost. That doesn't prove Stephano is better than DRG or worse than MC because they're just really silly best of 1's. MVP beat Stephano on an extremely Terran favoured map and Hero did something really stupid and completely threw his game vs Stephano away. There's nothing to be learnt from the Blizzard Cup. | ||
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HuKPOWA
United States1604 Posts
On March 05 2012 06:21 m0ck wrote: I still think it is worth mentioning that no zerg (beside DRG) is doing well in Korea. Zergs are struggling against top Korean P and especially T right now. It would be surprising if somehow Stephano was able to change that. Except Zerg in the finals of almost every tournament MLG/Assembly/GSL.... People i swear.... | ||
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Funkydonky
950 Posts
On March 05 2012 06:23 HuKPOWA wrote: Except Zerg in the finals of almost every tournament MLG/Assembly/GSL.... People i swear.... DRG in gsl/mlg are you just ignoring facts, 3 zergs in RO16 gsl, 1 zerg in RO8 gsl... | ||
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m0ck
4194 Posts
On March 05 2012 06:23 HuKPOWA wrote: Except Zerg in the finals of almost every tournament MLG/Assembly/GSL.... People i swear.... Read what I'm writing, then take another swing at it. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On March 05 2012 06:22 nam nam wrote: Thorzain I agree with but it's not really fair to compare how much he's winning with players living in Korea. It will always favor a top eu or na player not living in Korea. Yeah, but that's the downside of going to Korea, which at this point is looking like a bad investment for a lot of the players involved. | ||
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Asymmetric
Scotland1309 Posts
On March 05 2012 06:08 Seraphone wrote: Polt who slammed Stephano pretty hard at Assembly is in Code B. Thats a bit of an exaggeration. A lot of those games were damn close. | ||
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Zealot Orgy
United Kingdom537 Posts
On March 05 2012 06:08 Seraphone wrote: You are Code S/A level when you earn it and keep it like Huk did for a time. You're not Code A or S level by winning online/offline tournaments vs foreigners who are also not Code A. Whether Stephano could hang in Code A or S or not, he needs to prove it by winning three Code A games in a row and then maintaining his spot over a Code S season. And that is why people need to theorize about whether he could or could not be in codeS, because he's not willing to participate in the GSL at all. Comparing A with B is a natural thing to everyone that seeks competition, you see A guy doing well, and you compare it to the other B guy, even if they never played each other and they are in different leagues. If you'd have to judge only based on the games they play, one could not possibly argument that players like Nada, Keen, Curious, Yugioh, Inca, Fin, Bomber and Happy are better players than Stephano, even if, yes, they got to codeS by themselves because they played in codeA, none's saying they deserve it less than Stephano. It's just a natural thing to compare players. | ||
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TaKemE
Denmark1045 Posts
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Eufouria
United Kingdom4425 Posts
On March 05 2012 06:27 Asymmetric wrote: Thats a bit of an exaggeration. A lot of those games were damn close. And Polt is high code A, if not code S standard really, he got knocked out of code A in a close series against Creator, who is a strong PvT player. | ||
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Zealot Orgy
United Kingdom537 Posts
On March 05 2012 06:22 andis35 wrote: Beating Nestea and Leenock right each after another is not enough? You win 2 bo3 and it's enough to crown you the best foreigner in the game? lol  | ||
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andis35
Latvia346 Posts
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Seraphone
United Kingdom1219 Posts
On March 05 2012 06:19 Ylrahc wrote: Proof ? You take only LAN event, online events with $$ prizes aren't meaningful ? You disregard online events as well as events in winter 2011, I disregard HSC, it's my right as well as it's yours. See my point ? Thing is, it's your opinion vs mine, we both have "facts" to back it up, and while it's interesting to discuss it it's however tiring in the end because the same arguments are rehearsed every time. And we will never know, as Stephano will never play in GSL And it looks like Stephano is (again) going to take another EU tournament  Online results are meaningless. You have no idea how much anyone is lagging or what hour of the night they're played in. It's just worthless for both sides. Stephano's record vs Koreans in full. 1-4 vs Polt 3-0 vs Puma 0-2 vs MKP 0-2 vs MC 0-2 vs Sound 0-1 vs MVP 0-1 vs MC 1-0 vs DRG 1-0 vs Hero 3-2 vs Tails 2-0 vs MKP 1-2 vs Boxer 0-2 vs TheSTC 4-0 vs Lucky 3-1 vs TheSTC 2-1 vs Inori 2-0 vs Violet 2-0 Boxer 0-2 vs Alive 0-2 vs MC In terms of series that's 10-10, in terms of games that's 25-24. Which means overall he has a 50% win rate. It's worth point out that half of his series and game wins were at IPL. If we only use games since IPL his record is 5-8. If we only use games in 2012 his record is 1-4 in series and 4-10. That's a 28% win rate vs Korean players (not all of whom were Code S/A) in 2012. | ||
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revel8
United Kingdom3022 Posts
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Zealot Orgy
United Kingdom537 Posts
On March 05 2012 06:08 Seraphone wrote: You can say that MKP and MC are the cream of the crop but neither made the Round of 4 in Code S. MKP didn't get out of the second group. Polt who slammed Stephano pretty hard at Assembly is in Code B. Code S (in fact GSL in general) is incredibly fucking difficult now and if you win 50% of your games (which Stephano doesn't, he wins under 50% of his games vs Koreans) you will at best be in Code A and even be in Code B. Stop being such an hater. You're fucking mentioning MC, MKP and Polt. Do you realize the level of these players? I'll repeat, once again, since you're arbitrarily avoiding this point; sC, Keen, Fin, Brown, Happy, Curious, Nada, Bomber, Zenio, Yugioh, Lucky, Inca, Boxer, JYP. 30% of the 2012 season 1 codeS roster. Come here and tell me Stephano's weaker than these. | ||
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FaRess
Tunisia937 Posts
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Bromazepam
820 Posts
Stop the goddamn inconclusive Stephano wars. | ||
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Zealot Orgy
United Kingdom537 Posts
On March 05 2012 06:33 Seraphone wrote: In terms of series that's 10-10, in terms of games that's 25-24. 10-9 25-22 aLive's 2-0 is a forfeit. | ||
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