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On February 26 2012 13:25 Sub40APM wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2012 10:12 The_Darkness wrote:On February 26 2012 09:29 Sub40APM wrote:On February 26 2012 07:39 Ryps wrote:On February 26 2012 07:33 foxSC wrote:
Lol at all the people crying imbalance. Polt knew that stephano uses a very abusive ling heavy style and he used that knowledge to his advantage. I don't see stephano ever beating a player much better then himself anymore like he is used to now that terrans should know how to stop that very very abusive mass ling style. Yes clearly, Puma is a terrible player getting 3-0 and Polt is God of starcraft for beating Stephano. All is clear now, Stephano is a gimmicky player he is figured out, no way he is good. The finals were so one sided it makes GSL finals look exciting, the amount of sarcasm in this post is incredible ! Puma isnt a terrible player but there is a reason he doesnt play in the GSL/Korea. Yes, likely because his international event schedule prevents him from living in Korea and staying long enough to trudge through Code A to eventually make Code S and then make significantly less than he would make in international events. Give me a break. This guy has beaten loads of Code S players. Lucky was in Code S this season and he just embarrassed him. You obviously know very little about the GSL and fetishize it like so many people on this site. I'm guessing you had no idea that Lucky was in Code S and think he's some n00b. Training for the GSL is a good idea. Actually playing in the GSL is not worth your time if it takes away from participating in foreign tournaments with comparable money and not comparable level of play. Thats right, making lots of money beating foreigners is financially the better option for people not good enough to be a top GSL player. Yes, great, Puma beat Lucky once. Puma also beat MC a couple of times too. So what? Everyone except Idra gets lucky and takes games of good players sometimes, but whenever Puma runs into a consistent number of Code S players he plays as below them.
Oh really? So taking out guys like asd, Lucky, Hero, DRG, Genius, Bomber, Losira, Polt, MC, Rain, Nada, July, Squirtle, Alive and Clide is all just getting lucky?
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On February 26 2012 13:36 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2012 13:25 FairForever wrote:On February 26 2012 13:12 CosmicSpiral wrote:On February 26 2012 12:47 89andy wrote:On February 26 2012 10:39 CosmicSpiral wrote:On February 26 2012 10:12 The_Darkness wrote:On February 26 2012 09:29 Sub40APM wrote:On February 26 2012 07:39 Ryps wrote:On February 26 2012 07:33 foxSC wrote:
Lol at all the people crying imbalance. Polt knew that stephano uses a very abusive ling heavy style and he used that knowledge to his advantage. I don't see stephano ever beating a player much better then himself anymore like he is used to now that terrans should know how to stop that very very abusive mass ling style. Yes clearly, Puma is a terrible player getting 3-0 and Polt is God of starcraft for beating Stephano. All is clear now, Stephano is a gimmicky player he is figured out, no way he is good. The finals were so one sided it makes GSL finals look exciting, the amount of sarcasm in this post is incredible ! Puma isnt a terrible player but there is a reason he doesnt play in the GSL/Korea. Yes, likely because his international event schedule prevents him from living in Korea and staying long enough to trudge through Code A to eventually make Code S and then make significantly less than he would make in international events. Give me a break. This guy has beaten loads of Code S players. Lucky was in Code S this season and he just embarrassed him. You obviously know very little about the GSL and fetishize it like so many people on this site. I'm guessing you had no idea that Lucky was in Code S and think he's some n00b. Training for the GSL is a good idea. Actually playing in the GSL is not worth your time if it takes away from participating in foreign tournaments with comparable money and not comparable level of play. Players like MC have managed to maintain Code S status while traveling to foreign events. That's no valid excuse for Puma's lack of Korean results. no one saying Puma is as good as MC dumbass. Puma is always travelling to international tournaments of course he doesn't have as much time to practise. Many korean pros even said that they would not attend as many international events in the future because he was screwing up their practise. Only dumbass here is the one who can't understand phrases such as "Players like MC". Maybe Puma should focus on practicing instead of trying to get easy money or getting handled by B-teamers whenever he tries to qualify for Code A. Yeah, it's ridiculous that Puma is trying to make easy money instead of slaving through Code A making $1000 every few months. No one's arguing Puma is in the top 10 of players, but he's definitely better than some current Code A/S players in my opinion (Code S at least at the start, not the Top 4). I bet he'd be in the Top 10 of money earned in the past 6 months though. Puma gets to choose his own priorities. If he wants to constantly travel to foreign tournaments and make relatively easy money, fine. That is the route Stephano does and no one should speak ill of him. The fact of the matter is Puma has never be able to qualify for Code A and loses to players far below the ranks of Code S. He also beats solid players in Code A and Code S. He is very inconsistent and if it is caused by going to foreign tournaments all the time, he could either keep doing it or stop to focus on his practice regimen.
He consistently beats those code A and S players in foreign tournaments. For some reason his nerves get to him when it comes to GSL. Also he has only tried to qualify for Code A twice since joining EG I believe. Something about those qualifiers that just makes him nervous.
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top 10 or top 5 gets thrown around so easily. I doubt either player qualify for that exalted status (much less Puma) but who cares, the games between two very closely skilled progamers were fun to watch. I think Metalopolis was particularly amazing. Amazing constant trades with Polt just just barely edging out the win.
You have to admire his bio spread. He didn't just do it for banelings, He constantly spread out to minimize fungals too! That amazing APM. Stephano also did such a good job keeping his infestors alive again and again when lesser players would have lost them.
I think games get so much better when the two guys playing are close in skill. Not one herp derp roach ling all-in for the win, or 2 rax early bunker straight win or some stupid 12 drone kill hellion runby in the early game. Some of these quick kill strategies were tried, but amazing defense by both which proceeded to a major slug fest. Idra should take notes 
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On February 26 2012 13:36 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2012 13:25 FairForever wrote:On February 26 2012 13:12 CosmicSpiral wrote:On February 26 2012 12:47 89andy wrote:On February 26 2012 10:39 CosmicSpiral wrote:On February 26 2012 10:12 The_Darkness wrote:On February 26 2012 09:29 Sub40APM wrote:On February 26 2012 07:39 Ryps wrote:On February 26 2012 07:33 foxSC wrote:
Lol at all the people crying imbalance. Polt knew that stephano uses a very abusive ling heavy style and he used that knowledge to his advantage. I don't see stephano ever beating a player much better then himself anymore like he is used to now that terrans should know how to stop that very very abusive mass ling style. Yes clearly, Puma is a terrible player getting 3-0 and Polt is God of starcraft for beating Stephano. All is clear now, Stephano is a gimmicky player he is figured out, no way he is good. The finals were so one sided it makes GSL finals look exciting, the amount of sarcasm in this post is incredible ! Puma isnt a terrible player but there is a reason he doesnt play in the GSL/Korea. Yes, likely because his international event schedule prevents him from living in Korea and staying long enough to trudge through Code A to eventually make Code S and then make significantly less than he would make in international events. Give me a break. This guy has beaten loads of Code S players. Lucky was in Code S this season and he just embarrassed him. You obviously know very little about the GSL and fetishize it like so many people on this site. I'm guessing you had no idea that Lucky was in Code S and think he's some n00b. Training for the GSL is a good idea. Actually playing in the GSL is not worth your time if it takes away from participating in foreign tournaments with comparable money and not comparable level of play. Players like MC have managed to maintain Code S status while traveling to foreign events. That's no valid excuse for Puma's lack of Korean results. no one saying Puma is as good as MC dumbass. Puma is always travelling to international tournaments of course he doesn't have as much time to practise. Many korean pros even said that they would not attend as many international events in the future because he was screwing up their practise. Only dumbass here is the one who can't understand phrases such as "Players like MC". Maybe Puma should focus on practicing instead of trying to get easy money or getting handled by B-teamers whenever he tries to qualify for Code A. Yeah, it's ridiculous that Puma is trying to make easy money instead of slaving through Code A making $1000 every few months. No one's arguing Puma is in the top 10 of players, but he's definitely better than some current Code A/S players in my opinion (Code S at least at the start, not the Top 4). I bet he'd be in the Top 10 of money earned in the past 6 months though. Puma gets to choose his own priorities. If he wants to constantly travel to foreign tournaments and make relatively easy money, fine. That is the route Stephano does and no one should speak ill of him. The fact of the matter is Puma has never be able to qualify for Code A and loses to players far below the ranks of Code S. He also beats solid players in Code A and Code S. He is very inconsistent and if it is caused by going to foreign tournaments all the time, he could either keep doing it or stop to focus on his practice regimen.
You make it sound like he's selling out. Unless you're a Code S Finalist, you really get crap in terms of $$ in Korea. It's called common sense - Puma is very good but not naive to believe he's the best player in the world. Why settle for $1k making it to Code A when he can dominate NASL and IEMs? The fact of the matter is he's won more money than any non Code-S winner except Polt (who won Super Tournament). So in terms of financial security, he's doing something right.
Think about it this way: HongUn is one of the most consistent Code S players (until recently). He's made a meager 27k in earnings, and being on a Korean team he probably gets very little salary (if anything). That's tiny, and he's 38th in all-time earnings for SC2.
Now consider Byun, Alicia, Taeja, etc. - they make peanuts. Way below minimum wage. It's kind of sad.
I think any person with common sense would make the decision Puma made. I bet within six months Puma will be ahead of Nestea in the career earnings listing.
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Good games by both Polt and Stephano. I just can't stand how the casters are always talking about Stephano this stephano that. Polt did really good and forced so many things to go his way but we don't get much of a chance to hear it compared to the jizzing over Stephano. Sigh.
Edit: For example, Polt targets the infested terrans that Stephano throws onto Polt's tanks with marauders with still splitting rines. Also how Polt's supply is always higher after fights and have equal/better econ which helped him to win. No mention.
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United States15275 Posts
On February 26 2012 13:55 FairForever wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2012 13:36 CosmicSpiral wrote:On February 26 2012 13:25 FairForever wrote:On February 26 2012 13:12 CosmicSpiral wrote:On February 26 2012 12:47 89andy wrote:On February 26 2012 10:39 CosmicSpiral wrote:On February 26 2012 10:12 The_Darkness wrote:On February 26 2012 09:29 Sub40APM wrote:On February 26 2012 07:39 Ryps wrote:On February 26 2012 07:33 foxSC wrote:
Lol at all the people crying imbalance. Polt knew that stephano uses a very abusive ling heavy style and he used that knowledge to his advantage. I don't see stephano ever beating a player much better then himself anymore like he is used to now that terrans should know how to stop that very very abusive mass ling style. Yes clearly, Puma is a terrible player getting 3-0 and Polt is God of starcraft for beating Stephano. All is clear now, Stephano is a gimmicky player he is figured out, no way he is good. The finals were so one sided it makes GSL finals look exciting, the amount of sarcasm in this post is incredible ! Puma isnt a terrible player but there is a reason he doesnt play in the GSL/Korea. Yes, likely because his international event schedule prevents him from living in Korea and staying long enough to trudge through Code A to eventually make Code S and then make significantly less than he would make in international events. Give me a break. This guy has beaten loads of Code S players. Lucky was in Code S this season and he just embarrassed him. You obviously know very little about the GSL and fetishize it like so many people on this site. I'm guessing you had no idea that Lucky was in Code S and think he's some n00b. Training for the GSL is a good idea. Actually playing in the GSL is not worth your time if it takes away from participating in foreign tournaments with comparable money and not comparable level of play. Players like MC have managed to maintain Code S status while traveling to foreign events. That's no valid excuse for Puma's lack of Korean results. no one saying Puma is as good as MC dumbass. Puma is always travelling to international tournaments of course he doesn't have as much time to practise. Many korean pros even said that they would not attend as many international events in the future because he was screwing up their practise. Only dumbass here is the one who can't understand phrases such as "Players like MC". Maybe Puma should focus on practicing instead of trying to get easy money or getting handled by B-teamers whenever he tries to qualify for Code A. Yeah, it's ridiculous that Puma is trying to make easy money instead of slaving through Code A making $1000 every few months. No one's arguing Puma is in the top 10 of players, but he's definitely better than some current Code A/S players in my opinion (Code S at least at the start, not the Top 4). I bet he'd be in the Top 10 of money earned in the past 6 months though. Puma gets to choose his own priorities. If he wants to constantly travel to foreign tournaments and make relatively easy money, fine. That is the route Stephano does and no one should speak ill of him. The fact of the matter is Puma has never be able to qualify for Code A and loses to players far below the ranks of Code S. He also beats solid players in Code A and Code S. He is very inconsistent and if it is caused by going to foreign tournaments all the time, he could either keep doing it or stop to focus on his practice regimen. You make it sound like he's selling out. Unless you're a Code S Finalist, you really get crap in terms of $$ in Korea. It's called common sense - Puma is very good but not naive to believe he's the best player in the world. Why settle for $1k making it to Code A when he can dominate NASL and IEMs? The fact of the matter is he's won more money than any non Code-S winner except Polt (who won Super Tournament). So in terms of financial security, he's doing something right. Think about it this way: HongUn is one of the most consistent Code S players (until recently). He's made a meager 27k in earnings, and being on a Korean team he probably gets very little salary (if anything). That's tiny, and he's 38th in all-time earnings for SC2. Now consider Byun, Alicia, Taeja, etc. - they make peanuts. Way below minimum wage. It's kind of sad. I think any person with common sense would make the decision Puma made. I bet within six months Puma will be ahead of Nestea in the career earnings listing.
Financial security is not common sense (which doesn't exist btw, it's just a colloquial term to describe a mindset that reflects the common values of the present). That is just a matter of priority. He doesn't want to be the best player in the world; every player doesn't need to have that particular goal. But if that is not his goal then it is stupid to celebrate his foreign wins and excuse his nonexistent GSL career on the basis of "he doesn't get to practice because he's going to foreign tournaments waaaaah".
I wouldn't make that decision.
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On February 26 2012 14:01 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2012 13:55 FairForever wrote:On February 26 2012 13:36 CosmicSpiral wrote:On February 26 2012 13:25 FairForever wrote:On February 26 2012 13:12 CosmicSpiral wrote:On February 26 2012 12:47 89andy wrote:On February 26 2012 10:39 CosmicSpiral wrote:On February 26 2012 10:12 The_Darkness wrote:On February 26 2012 09:29 Sub40APM wrote:On February 26 2012 07:39 Ryps wrote:
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Yes clearly, Puma is a terrible player getting 3-0 and Polt is God of starcraft for beating Stephano. All is clear now, Stephano is a gimmicky player he is figured out, no way he is good. The finals were so one sided it makes GSL finals look exciting, the amount of sarcasm in this post is incredible ! Puma isnt a terrible player but there is a reason he doesnt play in the GSL/Korea. Yes, likely because his international event schedule prevents him from living in Korea and staying long enough to trudge through Code A to eventually make Code S and then make significantly less than he would make in international events. Give me a break. This guy has beaten loads of Code S players. Lucky was in Code S this season and he just embarrassed him. You obviously know very little about the GSL and fetishize it like so many people on this site. I'm guessing you had no idea that Lucky was in Code S and think he's some n00b. Training for the GSL is a good idea. Actually playing in the GSL is not worth your time if it takes away from participating in foreign tournaments with comparable money and not comparable level of play. Players like MC have managed to maintain Code S status while traveling to foreign events. That's no valid excuse for Puma's lack of Korean results. no one saying Puma is as good as MC dumbass. Puma is always travelling to international tournaments of course he doesn't have as much time to practise. Many korean pros even said that they would not attend as many international events in the future because he was screwing up their practise. Only dumbass here is the one who can't understand phrases such as "Players like MC". Maybe Puma should focus on practicing instead of trying to get easy money or getting handled by B-teamers whenever he tries to qualify for Code A. Yeah, it's ridiculous that Puma is trying to make easy money instead of slaving through Code A making $1000 every few months. No one's arguing Puma is in the top 10 of players, but he's definitely better than some current Code A/S players in my opinion (Code S at least at the start, not the Top 4). I bet he'd be in the Top 10 of money earned in the past 6 months though. Puma gets to choose his own priorities. If he wants to constantly travel to foreign tournaments and make relatively easy money, fine. That is the route Stephano does and no one should speak ill of him. The fact of the matter is Puma has never be able to qualify for Code A and loses to players far below the ranks of Code S. He also beats solid players in Code A and Code S. He is very inconsistent and if it is caused by going to foreign tournaments all the time, he could either keep doing it or stop to focus on his practice regimen. You make it sound like he's selling out. Unless you're a Code S Finalist, you really get crap in terms of $$ in Korea. It's called common sense - Puma is very good but not naive to believe he's the best player in the world. Why settle for $1k making it to Code A when he can dominate NASL and IEMs? The fact of the matter is he's won more money than any non Code-S winner except Polt (who won Super Tournament). So in terms of financial security, he's doing something right. Think about it this way: HongUn is one of the most consistent Code S players (until recently). He's made a meager 27k in earnings, and being on a Korean team he probably gets very little salary (if anything). That's tiny, and he's 38th in all-time earnings for SC2. Now consider Byun, Alicia, Taeja, etc. - they make peanuts. Way below minimum wage. It's kind of sad. I think any person with common sense would make the decision Puma made. I bet within six months Puma will be ahead of Nestea in the career earnings listing. Financial security is not common sense (which doesn't exist btw, it's just a colloquial term to describe a mindset that reflects the common values of the present). That is just a matter of priority. He doesn't want to be the best player in the world; every player doesn't need to have that particular goal. But if that is not his goal then it is stupid to celebrate his foreign wins and excuse his nonexistent GSL career on the basis of "he doesn't get to practice because he's going to foreign tournaments waaaaah". I wouldn't make that decision.
Easy for you to say, when you don't have yourself and potentially your family to feed (unlike FruitDealer). Who knows if he could've been the best player. He certainly has a lot of talent. Maybe it's wasted. But I would say if your sole priority is winning Code S, then that is a tragedy.
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United States15275 Posts
On February 26 2012 14:10 FairForever wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2012 14:01 CosmicSpiral wrote:On February 26 2012 13:55 FairForever wrote:On February 26 2012 13:36 CosmicSpiral wrote:On February 26 2012 13:25 FairForever wrote:On February 26 2012 13:12 CosmicSpiral wrote:On February 26 2012 12:47 89andy wrote:On February 26 2012 10:39 CosmicSpiral wrote:On February 26 2012 10:12 The_Darkness wrote:On February 26 2012 09:29 Sub40APM wrote:
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Puma isnt a terrible player but there is a reason he doesnt play in the GSL/Korea. Yes, likely because his international event schedule prevents him from living in Korea and staying long enough to trudge through Code A to eventually make Code S and then make significantly less than he would make in international events. Give me a break. This guy has beaten loads of Code S players. Lucky was in Code S this season and he just embarrassed him. You obviously know very little about the GSL and fetishize it like so many people on this site. I'm guessing you had no idea that Lucky was in Code S and think he's some n00b. Training for the GSL is a good idea. Actually playing in the GSL is not worth your time if it takes away from participating in foreign tournaments with comparable money and not comparable level of play. Players like MC have managed to maintain Code S status while traveling to foreign events. That's no valid excuse for Puma's lack of Korean results. no one saying Puma is as good as MC dumbass. Puma is always travelling to international tournaments of course he doesn't have as much time to practise. Many korean pros even said that they would not attend as many international events in the future because he was screwing up their practise. Only dumbass here is the one who can't understand phrases such as "Players like MC". Maybe Puma should focus on practicing instead of trying to get easy money or getting handled by B-teamers whenever he tries to qualify for Code A. Yeah, it's ridiculous that Puma is trying to make easy money instead of slaving through Code A making $1000 every few months. No one's arguing Puma is in the top 10 of players, but he's definitely better than some current Code A/S players in my opinion (Code S at least at the start, not the Top 4). I bet he'd be in the Top 10 of money earned in the past 6 months though. Puma gets to choose his own priorities. If he wants to constantly travel to foreign tournaments and make relatively easy money, fine. That is the route Stephano does and no one should speak ill of him. The fact of the matter is Puma has never be able to qualify for Code A and loses to players far below the ranks of Code S. He also beats solid players in Code A and Code S. He is very inconsistent and if it is caused by going to foreign tournaments all the time, he could either keep doing it or stop to focus on his practice regimen. You make it sound like he's selling out. Unless you're a Code S Finalist, you really get crap in terms of $$ in Korea. It's called common sense - Puma is very good but not naive to believe he's the best player in the world. Why settle for $1k making it to Code A when he can dominate NASL and IEMs? The fact of the matter is he's won more money than any non Code-S winner except Polt (who won Super Tournament). So in terms of financial security, he's doing something right. Think about it this way: HongUn is one of the most consistent Code S players (until recently). He's made a meager 27k in earnings, and being on a Korean team he probably gets very little salary (if anything). That's tiny, and he's 38th in all-time earnings for SC2. Now consider Byun, Alicia, Taeja, etc. - they make peanuts. Way below minimum wage. It's kind of sad. I think any person with common sense would make the decision Puma made. I bet within six months Puma will be ahead of Nestea in the career earnings listing. Financial security is not common sense (which doesn't exist btw, it's just a colloquial term to describe a mindset that reflects the common values of the present). That is just a matter of priority. He doesn't want to be the best player in the world; every player doesn't need to have that particular goal. But if that is not his goal then it is stupid to celebrate his foreign wins and excuse his nonexistent GSL career on the basis of "he doesn't get to practice because he's going to foreign tournaments waaaaah". I wouldn't make that decision. Easy for you to say, when you don't have yourself and potentially your family to feed (unlike FruitDealer). Who knows if he could've been the best player. He certainly has a lot of talent. Maybe it's wasted. But I would say if your sole priority is winning Code S, then that is a tragedy.
Well well someone's being a judgmental asshole. I expect Naniwa to give you a harsh tongue lashing.
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On February 26 2012 14:10 FairForever wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2012 14:01 CosmicSpiral wrote:On February 26 2012 13:55 FairForever wrote:On February 26 2012 13:36 CosmicSpiral wrote:On February 26 2012 13:25 FairForever wrote:On February 26 2012 13:12 CosmicSpiral wrote:On February 26 2012 12:47 89andy wrote:On February 26 2012 10:39 CosmicSpiral wrote:On February 26 2012 10:12 The_Darkness wrote:On February 26 2012 09:29 Sub40APM wrote:
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Puma isnt a terrible player but there is a reason he doesnt play in the GSL/Korea. Yes, likely because his international event schedule prevents him from living in Korea and staying long enough to trudge through Code A to eventually make Code S and then make significantly less than he would make in international events. Give me a break. This guy has beaten loads of Code S players. Lucky was in Code S this season and he just embarrassed him. You obviously know very little about the GSL and fetishize it like so many people on this site. I'm guessing you had no idea that Lucky was in Code S and think he's some n00b. Training for the GSL is a good idea. Actually playing in the GSL is not worth your time if it takes away from participating in foreign tournaments with comparable money and not comparable level of play. Players like MC have managed to maintain Code S status while traveling to foreign events. That's no valid excuse for Puma's lack of Korean results. no one saying Puma is as good as MC dumbass. Puma is always travelling to international tournaments of course he doesn't have as much time to practise. Many korean pros even said that they would not attend as many international events in the future because he was screwing up their practise. Only dumbass here is the one who can't understand phrases such as "Players like MC". Maybe Puma should focus on practicing instead of trying to get easy money or getting handled by B-teamers whenever he tries to qualify for Code A. Yeah, it's ridiculous that Puma is trying to make easy money instead of slaving through Code A making $1000 every few months. No one's arguing Puma is in the top 10 of players, but he's definitely better than some current Code A/S players in my opinion (Code S at least at the start, not the Top 4). I bet he'd be in the Top 10 of money earned in the past 6 months though. Puma gets to choose his own priorities. If he wants to constantly travel to foreign tournaments and make relatively easy money, fine. That is the route Stephano does and no one should speak ill of him. The fact of the matter is Puma has never be able to qualify for Code A and loses to players far below the ranks of Code S. He also beats solid players in Code A and Code S. He is very inconsistent and if it is caused by going to foreign tournaments all the time, he could either keep doing it or stop to focus on his practice regimen. You make it sound like he's selling out. Unless you're a Code S Finalist, you really get crap in terms of $$ in Korea. It's called common sense - Puma is very good but not naive to believe he's the best player in the world. Why settle for $1k making it to Code A when he can dominate NASL and IEMs? The fact of the matter is he's won more money than any non Code-S winner except Polt (who won Super Tournament). So in terms of financial security, he's doing something right. Think about it this way: HongUn is one of the most consistent Code S players (until recently). He's made a meager 27k in earnings, and being on a Korean team he probably gets very little salary (if anything). That's tiny, and he's 38th in all-time earnings for SC2. Now consider Byun, Alicia, Taeja, etc. - they make peanuts. Way below minimum wage. It's kind of sad. I think any person with common sense would make the decision Puma made. I bet within six months Puma will be ahead of Nestea in the career earnings listing. Financial security is not common sense (which doesn't exist btw, it's just a colloquial term to describe a mindset that reflects the common values of the present). That is just a matter of priority. He doesn't want to be the best player in the world; every player doesn't need to have that particular goal. But if that is not his goal then it is stupid to celebrate his foreign wins and excuse his nonexistent GSL career on the basis of "he doesn't get to practice because he's going to foreign tournaments waaaaah". I wouldn't make that decision. Easy for you to say, when you don't have yourself and potentially your family to feed (unlike FruitDealer). Who knows if he could've been the best player. He certainly has a lot of talent. Maybe it's wasted. But I would say if your sole priority is winning Code S, then that is a tragedy.
To be honest I personally believe training in Korea could benefit him financially in the long run. Strong Korean players have begun flying all around the world and they will continue to do so, and more koreans will get the sponsors and attend foreigner tournaments in the future. At this rate, players like Puma would not be able to keep up with the skill pool the koreans have to offer.
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Russian Federation1849 Posts
Stephano needs a very good(korea top 20? kkkkkkk) practice partner for hiz ZvT, obviously he would have roflstopmed any non-korean terrans, I wonder if he will be able to improve his ZvT while staying in Europe...
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On February 26 2012 14:27 chosenkerrigan wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2012 14:10 FairForever wrote:On February 26 2012 14:01 CosmicSpiral wrote:On February 26 2012 13:55 FairForever wrote:On February 26 2012 13:36 CosmicSpiral wrote:On February 26 2012 13:25 FairForever wrote:On February 26 2012 13:12 CosmicSpiral wrote:On February 26 2012 12:47 89andy wrote:On February 26 2012 10:39 CosmicSpiral wrote:On February 26 2012 10:12 The_Darkness wrote:
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Yes, likely because his international event schedule prevents him from living in Korea and staying long enough to trudge through Code A to eventually make Code S and then make significantly less than he would make in international events. Give me a break. This guy has beaten loads of Code S players. Lucky was in Code S this season and he just embarrassed him. You obviously know very little about the GSL and fetishize it like so many people on this site. I'm guessing you had no idea that Lucky was in Code S and think he's some n00b. Training for the GSL is a good idea. Actually playing in the GSL is not worth your time if it takes away from participating in foreign tournaments with comparable money and not comparable level of play. Players like MC have managed to maintain Code S status while traveling to foreign events. That's no valid excuse for Puma's lack of Korean results. no one saying Puma is as good as MC dumbass. Puma is always travelling to international tournaments of course he doesn't have as much time to practise. Many korean pros even said that they would not attend as many international events in the future because he was screwing up their practise. Only dumbass here is the one who can't understand phrases such as "Players like MC". Maybe Puma should focus on practicing instead of trying to get easy money or getting handled by B-teamers whenever he tries to qualify for Code A. Yeah, it's ridiculous that Puma is trying to make easy money instead of slaving through Code A making $1000 every few months. No one's arguing Puma is in the top 10 of players, but he's definitely better than some current Code A/S players in my opinion (Code S at least at the start, not the Top 4). I bet he'd be in the Top 10 of money earned in the past 6 months though. Puma gets to choose his own priorities. If he wants to constantly travel to foreign tournaments and make relatively easy money, fine. That is the route Stephano does and no one should speak ill of him. The fact of the matter is Puma has never be able to qualify for Code A and loses to players far below the ranks of Code S. He also beats solid players in Code A and Code S. He is very inconsistent and if it is caused by going to foreign tournaments all the time, he could either keep doing it or stop to focus on his practice regimen. You make it sound like he's selling out. Unless you're a Code S Finalist, you really get crap in terms of $$ in Korea. It's called common sense - Puma is very good but not naive to believe he's the best player in the world. Why settle for $1k making it to Code A when he can dominate NASL and IEMs? The fact of the matter is he's won more money than any non Code-S winner except Polt (who won Super Tournament). So in terms of financial security, he's doing something right. Think about it this way: HongUn is one of the most consistent Code S players (until recently). He's made a meager 27k in earnings, and being on a Korean team he probably gets very little salary (if anything). That's tiny, and he's 38th in all-time earnings for SC2. Now consider Byun, Alicia, Taeja, etc. - they make peanuts. Way below minimum wage. It's kind of sad. I think any person with common sense would make the decision Puma made. I bet within six months Puma will be ahead of Nestea in the career earnings listing. Financial security is not common sense (which doesn't exist btw, it's just a colloquial term to describe a mindset that reflects the common values of the present). That is just a matter of priority. He doesn't want to be the best player in the world; every player doesn't need to have that particular goal. But if that is not his goal then it is stupid to celebrate his foreign wins and excuse his nonexistent GSL career on the basis of "he doesn't get to practice because he's going to foreign tournaments waaaaah". I wouldn't make that decision. Easy for you to say, when you don't have yourself and potentially your family to feed (unlike FruitDealer). Who knows if he could've been the best player. He certainly has a lot of talent. Maybe it's wasted. But I would say if your sole priority is winning Code S, then that is a tragedy. To be honest I personally believe training in Korea could benefit him financially in the long run. Strong Korean players have begun flying all around the world and they will continue to do so, and more koreans will get the sponsors and attend foreigner tournaments in the future. At this rate, players like Puma would not be able to keep up with the skill pool the koreans have to offer.
First off, there might not be a long run. Starcraft careers are notoriously short, and you need to make all the money you can now. Second, it's not mutually exclusive. Puma trains in Korea with Slayers. He just does not play in the GSL
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Looks like Polt might get back into Code S with his Assembly win!
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On February 26 2012 15:37 NHY wrote:
Looks like Polt might get back into Code S with his Assembly win!
We can only hope.
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So glad polt won. Really cool guy, and his stream + english are great!
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polts stream are definiatly the most viewer friendly. he doesnt spam location keys or apm unlike some people (ie forgg)
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On February 26 2012 13:55 FairForever wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2012 13:36 CosmicSpiral wrote:On February 26 2012 13:25 FairForever wrote:On February 26 2012 13:12 CosmicSpiral wrote:On February 26 2012 12:47 89andy wrote:On February 26 2012 10:39 CosmicSpiral wrote:On February 26 2012 10:12 The_Darkness wrote:On February 26 2012 09:29 Sub40APM wrote:On February 26 2012 07:39 Ryps wrote:On February 26 2012 07:33 foxSC wrote:
Lol at all the people crying imbalance. Polt knew that stephano uses a very abusive ling heavy style and he used that knowledge to his advantage. I don't see stephano ever beating a player much better then himself anymore like he is used to now that terrans should know how to stop that very very abusive mass ling style. Yes clearly, Puma is a terrible player getting 3-0 and Polt is God of starcraft for beating Stephano. All is clear now, Stephano is a gimmicky player he is figured out, no way he is good. The finals were so one sided it makes GSL finals look exciting, the amount of sarcasm in this post is incredible ! Puma isnt a terrible player but there is a reason he doesnt play in the GSL/Korea. Yes, likely because his international event schedule prevents him from living in Korea and staying long enough to trudge through Code A to eventually make Code S and then make significantly less than he would make in international events. Give me a break. This guy has beaten loads of Code S players. Lucky was in Code S this season and he just embarrassed him. You obviously know very little about the GSL and fetishize it like so many people on this site. I'm guessing you had no idea that Lucky was in Code S and think he's some n00b. Training for the GSL is a good idea. Actually playing in the GSL is not worth your time if it takes away from participating in foreign tournaments with comparable money and not comparable level of play. Players like MC have managed to maintain Code S status while traveling to foreign events. That's no valid excuse for Puma's lack of Korean results. no one saying Puma is as good as MC dumbass. Puma is always travelling to international tournaments of course he doesn't have as much time to practise. Many korean pros even said that they would not attend as many international events in the future because he was screwing up their practise. Only dumbass here is the one who can't understand phrases such as "Players like MC". Maybe Puma should focus on practicing instead of trying to get easy money or getting handled by B-teamers whenever he tries to qualify for Code A. Yeah, it's ridiculous that Puma is trying to make easy money instead of slaving through Code A making $1000 every few months. No one's arguing Puma is in the top 10 of players, but he's definitely better than some current Code A/S players in my opinion (Code S at least at the start, not the Top 4). I bet he'd be in the Top 10 of money earned in the past 6 months though. Puma gets to choose his own priorities. If he wants to constantly travel to foreign tournaments and make relatively easy money, fine. That is the route Stephano does and no one should speak ill of him. The fact of the matter is Puma has never be able to qualify for Code A and loses to players far below the ranks of Code S. He also beats solid players in Code A and Code S. He is very inconsistent and if it is caused by going to foreign tournaments all the time, he could either keep doing it or stop to focus on his practice regimen. You make it sound like he's selling out. Unless you're a Code S Finalist, you really get crap in terms of $$ in Korea. It's called common sense - Puma is very good but not naive to believe he's the best player in the world. Why settle for $1k making it to Code A when he can dominate NASL and IEMs? The fact of the matter is he's won more money than any non Code-S winner except Polt (who won Super Tournament). So in terms of financial security, he's doing something right. Think about it this way: HongUn is one of the most consistent Code S players (until recently). He's made a meager 27k in earnings, and being on a Korean team he probably gets very little salary (if anything). That's tiny, and he's 38th in all-time earnings for SC2. Now consider Byun, Alicia, Taeja, etc. - they make peanuts. Way below minimum wage. It's kind of sad. I think any person with common sense would make the decision Puma made. I bet within six months Puma will be ahead of Nestea in the career earnings listing.
I bet not. Many Koreans are hopping on the foreign tournament bandwagon. Just a matter of percentages puma wont win as much as previously. But your points are good. If I were a struggling Korean pro, basically NE1 but MMA, Nestea, MC, FD, MVP or Polt, I'd do just like the likes of HerO and PuMa and I'm sure most want to as well hence all the kor to foriegn team signings as of late.
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On February 26 2012 06:42 Asha` wrote:
Really great effort from everyone involved at Assembly.
The Casting quintuplet were excellent; TB and Apollo had great synergy as always while Khaldor and Bitter synced up very quickly. Kaelaris did a very nice job of filling in and providing excellent cover while others needed to take breaks.
Semlar did a very nice job hosting; it can be tough in front of an audience that is at times a bit unresponsive, but he was confident, spoke multiple languages well, connected with the players, usuaully asked good questions, and most importantly of all he was really into everything that was going on.
The tournament ran almost exactly to schedule, there was very little downtime and for the most part a choice of games to watch. Any technical difficulties were resolved very promptly.
Finally I think the majority of the players really delivered some great games, and we got it capped off with some brilliant play in the semis and finals.
Incredibly enjoyable watching, thanks to everyone there <3
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nothing more to add. thanks assembly and asus rog. well done!
this tournament is absolutely in the big league.
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thx for link to vod of final, watching it now.
Been such an awesome tournament, absolutely loved it.
Made me forget about not beeing able to see mlg and MKP
<3 polt, he played amazing.
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where the link to the final vods?
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