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Cokefreak
Profile Joined June 2011
Finland8095 Posts
February 24 2012 21:39 GMT
#4761
On February 25 2012 06:38 illsick wrote:
wow hero versus JYP

and Polt versus Taeja

Yeah and the winners will face each other in the next round :D
JayJay_90
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany1632 Posts
February 24 2012 21:39 GMT
#4762
On February 25 2012 06:35 AlternativeEgo wrote:
Imagine if Elfi had gotten Lucky's spot. That could have taken him all the way to the final. :D

Hypothetical thinking, of course.

LOL you're right :D I'm kinda sad for Bling, he's by far the better player than Elfi but he might very well lose this.
Also not liking the fact that Mana and Cloud have to face eachother. One of the guys I'm cheering for is surely gonna go out and probably Mana will advance just to face a Korean Zerg. He'd have a decent chance versus a Korean terran, but I don't see him winning vs. Lucky in his worst matchup.
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
February 24 2012 21:39 GMT
#4763
On February 25 2012 06:38 iamthedave wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2012 06:35 HolydaKing wrote:
On February 25 2012 06:34 Jisall wrote:
Mark my words:

Stephano TeaJa final

Stephano takes it.

well with puma doing not so great i would be surprised if stephano didnt come into the final.

taeja to take it, though.


Taeja could lose before he gets there. He can be a bit inconsistent.

yeah vs polt and hero (^^) will be hard.
cyclone25
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Romania3344 Posts
February 24 2012 21:39 GMT
#4764
Poor Bling ... I bet he would have liked to play vs TaeJa rather than Stephano.
WarHouser
Profile Joined February 2012
Poland7 Posts
February 24 2012 21:39 GMT
#4765
Lucky > Welmu
Clous < Mana
Taeja > Polt
Hero > JYP
Bling > Elfi
Stephano > Real
Puma > Bischu
Diestar >< Select
Flanq
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom2694 Posts
February 24 2012 21:39 GMT
#4766
On February 25 2012 06:35 mvtaylor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2012 06:30 Flanq wrote:
On February 25 2012 06:25 shizna wrote:
On February 25 2012 06:20 tomatriedes wrote:
On February 25 2012 06:17 Unreal143 wrote:
On February 25 2012 06:16 woob wrote:
bling got outplayed all game >_<

polt did many drops that bling dealt with.. badly

and then he 1a moved down the middle and still managed to win



Are you kidding me? How was that 1a move?


Don't you even know that when you click 1A when playing protoss your HTs jump in a warp prism fly to the perfect location and then drop storms on your opponent's army? Geez.


i agree its not 1a... its 1a and then press warpprism hotkey, d click, ctrl click, t click. 5 APM

meanwhile terran is T, right click, S, right click S, ghost hotkey, hold E + click click click, viking hotkey maneuver vikings, right click S, right click away from storm, notice your units have auto-clumped so manually clickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclick to spread units, T, right click, S, right click, S, right click, S right click, S.

then realise your units are all in red health and protoss has 20 freshly warped in zealots

You missed out controlling colossi, blinking stalkers, forcefielding, making sure the prism is with your army, spreading your ball of units to mitigate EMP damage, dropping templars far enough apart they aren't all insta-EMP'd, pressing W, moving your camera to the nearest pylon, choosing what units will be most useful for the given situation, clicking however many times for however many units, then going back to the army and carrying on.

Honestly, it's not a 1a for any of the races if you want to do it properly and have the best engagement possible, this archaic attitude people still seem to have to protoss in particular is mind-boggling.


It's not 1a for any race but any actually decent Protoss max doesn't have Stalkers or Sentries in it and most of them don't need a prism (see Jjakji/Parting) which avoids entirely the point on needing to drop out of EMP range and also I barely see P players spreading their army to minimise EMP damage given how an EMP tickles a chargelot and can only hit one Archon tops.

The P players who constantly say "oh but late game drops are hard" should really just follow BlinG's example.

Who cares if you can't warp in to beat the drop, the fact is the T army has 10/20/30 supply not with their army so you can just go and crush it and then deal with the drop with warp ins.

Why would you have zero stalkers in your army? And yes, while it's not essential to have a prism, even if you don't, you still have to keep the templar away from your main army and spread until the EMPs have been hit, unless your using Feedback of course, which adds a whole new dimension to it.

The point is, no one race is 1a, all have there perks and difficulties, but surely all intelligent SC2 players can agree this 1a arguement needs to stop.
clementdudu
Profile Joined September 2010
France819 Posts
February 24 2012 21:40 GMT
#4767
stephano 2-0 real
stephano 2-0 bling
stephano 2-0 puma
stephano 0-2 taeja
TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8307 Posts
February 24 2012 21:41 GMT
#4768
Bracket looks pretty good for Stephano That's exciting. I may not like the guy but I love his play. He is the hero we need, not the one we deserve.
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
nooboon
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
2602 Posts
February 24 2012 21:42 GMT
#4769
Wow Hero vs JYP first round. Everyweek a TL player must face an EG player it seems. Since Puma is in the lower bracket, the chance for a Puma vs Hero finals is still there.
phiinix
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1169 Posts
February 24 2012 21:42 GMT
#4770
Race distribution not bad. Kinda sucks that zergs only had 9 to begin with, but no worries. 4 mirrors though haha. Polt Taeja should be cool, think polt takes it though. .

I'm predicting a Puma v Stephano and a Hero v Lucky semis, with a Stephano v Hero finals. I think I'd have to go for Hero in that scenario. Stephano v lucky finals would be ipl3 repeat, puma v hero would be pretty sick since Hero beat out puma in DH winter, Puma beat Hero nasl2. Either way should turn out some good series.
Jisall
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2054 Posts
February 24 2012 21:42 GMT
#4771
On February 25 2012 06:34 Jisall wrote:
Mark my words:

Stephano TeaJa final

Stephano takes it.


On February 25 2012 06:40 clementdudu wrote:
stephano 2-0 real
stephano 2-0 bling
stephano 2-0 puma
stephano 0-2 taeja



I'm including your prophecy into my claim. When it comes true, I will do us both justice and brag like hell over it.
Monk: Because being a badass is more fun then playing a dude wearing a scarf.. ... Ite fuck it, Witch Doctor cuz I like killing stuff in a timely mannor.
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15846 Posts
February 24 2012 21:44 GMT
#4772
GSL & GSTL are nice because it keeps top foreigners to face top tier Koreans.
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
dragonborn
Profile Joined January 2012
4781 Posts
February 24 2012 21:44 GMT
#4773
Polt vs SlayerS terran

i think you know who is the winner
TaKemE
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark1045 Posts
February 24 2012 21:45 GMT
#4774
On February 25 2012 06:38 Yaki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2012 06:38 illsick wrote:
wow hero versus JYP

and Polt versus Taeja

And the winner of both theses matches face each other .... stupid bracket


How can you blame the bracket? The bracket is/was perfect, but JYP and Polt lost and dident get first place in their group, if they got 1. they would be on other side of bracket.
illsick
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1770 Posts
February 24 2012 21:45 GMT
#4775
Polt and Stephano finals
you live and you learn
Jisall
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2054 Posts
February 24 2012 21:51 GMT
#4776
On February 25 2012 06:45 TaKemE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2012 06:38 Yaki wrote:
On February 25 2012 06:38 illsick wrote:
wow hero versus JYP

and Polt versus Taeja

And the winner of both theses matches face each other .... stupid bracket


How can you blame the bracket? The bracket is/was perfect, but JYP and Polt lost and dident get first place in their group, if they got 1. they would be on other side of bracket.


I second this ^.

Don't blame the bracket. You might have to just go back to the groups and blame them for not giving them an easier group. lol
Monk: Because being a badass is more fun then playing a dude wearing a scarf.. ... Ite fuck it, Witch Doctor cuz I like killing stuff in a timely mannor.
Demonaz
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1219 Posts
February 24 2012 21:51 GMT
#4777
Taeja - Stephano final is definitely the horse to back
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
February 24 2012 21:51 GMT
#4778
Wow, all the Koreans seeded together. I hope Taeja makes it through.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
MVTaylor
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2893 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-24 21:53:57
February 24 2012 21:51 GMT
#4779
On February 25 2012 06:39 Flanq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2012 06:35 mvtaylor wrote:
On February 25 2012 06:30 Flanq wrote:
On February 25 2012 06:25 shizna wrote:
On February 25 2012 06:20 tomatriedes wrote:
On February 25 2012 06:17 Unreal143 wrote:
On February 25 2012 06:16 woob wrote:
bling got outplayed all game >_<

polt did many drops that bling dealt with.. badly

and then he 1a moved down the middle and still managed to win



Are you kidding me? How was that 1a move?


Don't you even know that when you click 1A when playing protoss your HTs jump in a warp prism fly to the perfect location and then drop storms on your opponent's army? Geez.


i agree its not 1a... its 1a and then press warpprism hotkey, d click, ctrl click, t click. 5 APM

meanwhile terran is T, right click, S, right click S, ghost hotkey, hold E + click click click, viking hotkey maneuver vikings, right click S, right click away from storm, notice your units have auto-clumped so manually clickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclick to spread units, T, right click, S, right click, S, right click, S right click, S.

then realise your units are all in red health and protoss has 20 freshly warped in zealots

You missed out controlling colossi, blinking stalkers, forcefielding, making sure the prism is with your army, spreading your ball of units to mitigate EMP damage, dropping templars far enough apart they aren't all insta-EMP'd, pressing W, moving your camera to the nearest pylon, choosing what units will be most useful for the given situation, clicking however many times for however many units, then going back to the army and carrying on.

Honestly, it's not a 1a for any of the races if you want to do it properly and have the best engagement possible, this archaic attitude people still seem to have to protoss in particular is mind-boggling.


It's not 1a for any race but any actually decent Protoss max doesn't have Stalkers or Sentries in it and most of them don't need a prism (see Jjakji/Parting) which avoids entirely the point on needing to drop out of EMP range and also I barely see P players spreading their army to minimise EMP damage given how an EMP tickles a chargelot and can only hit one Archon tops.

The P players who constantly say "oh but late game drops are hard" should really just follow BlinG's example.

Who cares if you can't warp in to beat the drop, the fact is the T army has 10/20/30 supply not with their army so you can just go and crush it and then deal with the drop with warp ins.

Why would you have zero stalkers in your army? And yes, while it's not essential to have a prism, even if you don't, you still have to keep the templar away from your main army and spread until the EMPs have been hit, unless your using Feedback of course, which adds a whole new dimension to it.

The point is, no one race is 1a, all have there perks and difficulties, but surely all intelligent SC2 players can agree this 1a arguement needs to stop.


Excluding all Terran micro except stutter step then to be able to move at all between marauder shots and produce you need to select production buildings, hit around A x6, D x6, G x3 (then tab or new hotkey), D/V x4 then select army, issue a move command and an attack move command.

That would be 24 actions in a blizzard second or 33 actions in a real time second so to do all of this (without even focusing / landing vikings, using EMPs or dodging storms) requires a Terran player to have a peak APM of nearly 2000, which isn't even perfect as a marine shoots faster.

Predos:

ro16:
Lucky > Welmu
MaNa > ClouD
Polt > Taeja
JYP > HerO
elfi > BlinG (If 4 gate erryday works)
Stephano > ReaL
PuMa > Bischu
SeleCT > DieStar

ro8:
Lucky > MaNa
Polt > JYP
Stephano > elfi
PuMa > SeleCT

ro4:
Polt > Lucky
Stephano > PuMa

Bronze: Lucky > PuMa

Final: Stephano > Polt

Although, if that's as good as my liquibets Stephano will be out in round 1.
@followMVT
McFeser
Profile Joined July 2011
United States2458 Posts
February 24 2012 21:56 GMT
#4780
Wait, Bling 2-0ed the greatest TvP player in the world?
Promethelax still hasn't changed his quote
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