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On February 23 2012 18:50 Devolved wrote: Micro as P to win the game.
Micro as T to stay alive.
(btw, these aren't Terran tears. I'm a Protoss player.) Aren't these the same thing
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hahaha was waiting to hear nestea's name!
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On February 23 2012 18:51 Porcelina wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 18:46 Exarl25 wrote:On February 23 2012 18:44 NGrNecris wrote:On February 23 2012 18:40 BuzZoo wrote:On February 23 2012 18:36 NGrNecris wrote:On February 23 2012 18:35 Lann555 wrote:Anyone else losing interest in watching TvP's? Protoss either 2-base allins, or turtles into an unstoppable late-game army. Matchup seems so inferior to TvZ  TvP has been inferior to TvZ for as long as i can remember I'm probably going to get flamed for this. But is it possible that the fact that MMM has traditionally been so effective meant that other options for terran have just gone unexplored? I remember a brief period where a very thor-heavy army was a bit of a fad in Korean GM. Is mixing in some BC's or banshees in the ultra late game just silly bio being so light on gas? Please don't abuse me because I'm just genuinely wondering. Many of the things that have had zergs such as myself QQing in the past have been fixed with metagame as much as patching. I think part of it is what you say but i think the main reason is how bad mech is vs P. Also when thorzain won TSL with thors they got nerfed Jinro came back from behind and destroyed a Protoss in the super late game in some tournament yesterday by mass nuking and going BCs to Yamato the Colossi. Was interesting to watch but not sure how viable it is if the Protoss is more prepared. The thing is, that is true in so many respects for every race. There are still so many unexplored avenues in the late game of most matchups; whoever comes up with something fairly new holds a huge advantage just because reactions have not been defined or even thought out. There is so much gripe about late game balance, but honestly, we are so far away from being able to see the whole picture. We only get to see small glimpses of what will come; just as the way players played out late game in 2010 now seems ridiculous and plain wrong, it is hard to accept that we will not look back at the established truths of early 2012 and laugh in the future. (Of course, HotS might just invalidate this, but oh well).
Wise words
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On February 23 2012 18:51 kurrysauce wrote:iirc , it was "Moo - Fan" or something like that
"Mo-Sun"
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On February 23 2012 18:51 Astro-Penguin wrote: Artosis said in one of his dallies that a lot of terrain who thought they were good before the EMP nerf are suddenly getting owned late game now because they weren't every really that good to begin with. It really does baffle me that Terran think they should be able to attack into bad positioning against a well positioned HT Colossi ball and come out ahead, talk about double standards, if a Protoss were to attack into a bunch of EMPS then without a doubt we will lose the battle to, PvT is finally at a point where Terran cant just press T and a move across the map and kill a Protoss. No. Just no. Your post makes no sense at all. You seem to be insinuating terran OP. Terrans cant just press T and a move.
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On February 23 2012 18:52 6BiT wrote:that was sick play by genius not sure i agree with the 'best PvT in the world comment, i got more chills from parting's play in the previous rounds but that might just be me! from a selfish point of view hopefully this isnt a 3-0 (want more games!  )
Genius' PvT feels like one big death push that wipes the Terran out at max while Parting continues to back up attack after attack, not stopping till the Terran dies from storms.
I like Parting's more, but Genius is effective.
It would be nice if Alive could make a series of this. It would suck if his newly found confidence got destroyed by another 3-0.
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No that was actually super saiyan 2
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On February 23 2012 18:48 vthree wrote: So 1-1-1 should not be defendable even when scouted if Terran has perfect micro
Uhhhm, that was the case for like half a year or maybe more. Even a patch had to fix it.
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On February 23 2012 18:53 Zealot Lord wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 18:47 aebriol wrote: I see you guys just look at it as 'pulling back when injured' that is so untrue.
He constantly targeted the right things - depot, bunkers, the correct units, with all his units. He had perfect stalker control to avoid losing them to high ground units. He pulled back all 3 void rays just in time, and kept his charge alive by for just one split second attacking - then stopping - his own zealot that was about to die, he warped in the right units when needed it, he correctly stopped at 3 void rays, he correctly got sentries when he needed to break the front bunker, his forcefields split the units and the ramp perfectly.
That was overall just ... fucking genius.
I might have missed something, I am a zerg player ... Yup - this. People discrediting Genius are just haters who think Toss is EZ mode. To be able to pull that win off after getting scouted is impossible barring perfect micro, and that's what Genius did. Guy is just clutch under pressure, hope he can bring home a loooong overdue Protoss championship.
being scouted doesn't matter, all the P allins excluding colo are at the same timing.
holding the low ground is not viable, and i'm surprised that this isn't something that top Ts demonstrate
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On February 23 2012 18:47 thunddr wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 18:44 Crashburn wrote: I don't know why I read TL live report threads. There's more bitching in this thread than my wife on all of her periods combined. indeed. there's a lot of stereotypical hate on the TL.net threads 1. the BW supremacist who constantly hates on sc2 and its mechanics, gameplay, builds, etc. 2. the person who consistently misuses terms: cheese, bonjwa, all-in, etc. 3. the person who nitpicks every single mistake by players and even casters the list goes on... calm your beards TL. stay classy.
I had decided not to post, in order not to be the category 4 type of guy who whines about the whiners. But you delivered a wonderful post that complaines without bitching about it, so +1 from me.
In this particular case, we all know that BW is superior and that micro in SC2 is nothing and elephants and flashes and all that stuff. But really how can you whine about it every single time?? I understand the first game 2 battles 2 drops and game over. I really understand that. And I find TvP unacceptably boring.
But on the second game, there were 3 charged void rays for the whole duration of the fight, 2 of them <10 hp. While he did that his ground army was not left alone in the front and died to marines. While he did that he showed good decision making as to where to attack every time. He made alive concentrate most of his units on the high ground, showing NO INTENTION at all to go to the nat and then he switched in an instant. It was good micro overall. Go watch a game from Ace yesterday, showing what happens when you don't do it right.
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On February 23 2012 18:53 happyness wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 18:47 red4ce wrote: Really, game 2 is recommended? It seems like Tastosis can convince you guys to be entertained by anything. I wasn't aware pulling back void rays in red health still gave people nerd chills. It wasn't just the micro of the voidrays. It was the fact that genius played a flawless game.
Yeah, he forced a win in an almost near-loss situation by just outmicroing his opponent.
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@artosis: that was 2. ssj1 level 3 is the too many muscles one, not ssj3
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On February 23 2012 18:54 NGrNecris wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 18:50 Devolved wrote: Micro as P to win the game.
Micro as T to stay alive.
(btw, these aren't Terran tears. I'm a Protoss player.) Aren't these the same thing I think he means micro is an essential part of the Terran race. Less so for Protoss
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On February 23 2012 18:52 YMCApylons wrote: I want a Bulgogi GSL Final. + Show Spoiler +
Hahahahaha. Nice.
God I hope they both play in the finals.
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On February 23 2012 18:52 secretary bird wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 18:49 Logros wrote:On February 23 2012 18:47 secretary bird wrote:On February 23 2012 18:44 BuzZoo wrote:On February 23 2012 18:42 secretary bird wrote:On February 23 2012 18:40 BuzZoo wrote:On February 23 2012 18:36 NGrNecris wrote:On February 23 2012 18:35 Lann555 wrote:Anyone else losing interest in watching TvP's? Protoss either 2-base allins, or turtles into an unstoppable late-game army. Matchup seems so inferior to TvZ  TvP has been inferior to TvZ for as long as i can remember I'm probably going to get flamed for this. But is it possible that the fact that MMM has traditionally been so effective meant that other options for terran have just gone unexplored? I remember a brief period where a very thor-heavy army was a bit of a fad in Korean GM. Is mixing in some BC's or banshees in the ultra late game just silly bio being so light on gas? Please don't abuse me because I'm just genuinely wondering. Many of the things that have had zergs such as myself QQing in the past have been fixed with metagame as much as patching. Nope not possible at all everything has been explored and doesnt work except as a 1-2 base allin. I find that very surprising when things were/are being discovered in BW many years after the game was thought to be figured out. Different times we didnt have progamers or a huge competititve scene back then. So the last few years there weren't progamers or a competitive scene in BW? There is still new stuff being figured out. No revolutionary things like "Oh this unit is good against x I never knew" . He was talking about using mech or BCs that is basic stuff.
i genuinely feel sorry for you if you think that this game is "basically figured out" at this point.
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On February 23 2012 18:50 HolydaKing wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 18:45 ETisME wrote:On February 23 2012 18:42 avilo wrote:On February 23 2012 18:41 ETisME wrote:On February 23 2012 18:41 avilo wrote: Ok, he scouts the all-in, still dies.
.... did you see how late that scouting was? Are you kidding me? are YOU kidding me? the first void ray was about to be out and hit before the bunker was finished that's early enough for you? i wonder though... was that bunker placement good? what if he would've build it like the VR couldn't have attacked the barracks and supply depot? he definitely didn't have a VR *almost* finished when he scouted it, iirc when he scouted it, it was at like 10-20%. He was able to build a bunker *almost* in time, although it just delayed his death. bunker build time 40 seconds, void ray 60 seconds (Without chrono). His bunker was only about half way done when the void ray arrived.
The bunker there is probably to prevent high ground warp in.
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On February 23 2012 18:48 Ruscour wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 18:46 justinpal wrote:On February 23 2012 18:45 Ruscour wrote:On February 23 2012 18:44 Crashburn wrote: I don't know why I read TL live report threads. There's more bitching in this thread than my wife on all of her periods combined. your wife is either extremely young or the world's perfect woman if that's the case Or constantly pregnant? or suffering from some kind of deficiency that requires her tubes be tied
Or you're amazing at blocking out most of her ranting
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hmm... my gom player & stream don't work again TT anyone has a restream or any idea how to get it to work? i tried reinstalling, restarting, and proxy and still no hope. also, i have sufficient bandwidth
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