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Grovbolle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark3821 Posts
February 23 2012 09:50 GMT
#861
Gogo Genius. We need a P in the finals
Lies, damned lies and statistics: http://aligulac.com
Sitinte
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States499 Posts
February 23 2012 09:50 GMT
#862
On February 23 2012 18:46 Yaki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2012 18:44 blade55555 wrote:
On February 23 2012 18:44 zazone wrote:
MVP GSL finals?how is Genius PvZ ?


He 2-0'd drg in ro32 I believe?

Genius is a god in every matchup right now it seems. (even though he's not been tested as much in PvP as in the other 2 matc hups lately)


True, but he did 3-0 MC in the Ro8.
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
February 23 2012 09:50 GMT
#863
On February 23 2012 18:45 ETisME wrote:
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On February 23 2012 18:42 avilo wrote:
On February 23 2012 18:41 ETisME wrote:
On February 23 2012 18:41 avilo wrote:
Ok, he scouts the all-in, still dies.

....

did you see how late that scouting was?


Are you kidding me?

are YOU kidding me? the first void ray was about to be out and hit before the bunker was finished
that's early enough for you?

i wonder though... was that bunker placement good? what if he would've build it like the VR couldn't have attacked the barracks and supply depot?

he definitely didn't have a VR *almost* finished when he scouted it, iirc when he scouted it, it was at like 10-20%. He was able to build a bunker *almost* in time, although it just delayed his death.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97277 Posts
February 23 2012 09:50 GMT
#864
On February 23 2012 18:49 Kharnage wrote:
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On February 23 2012 18:48 Sareth wrote:
On February 23 2012 18:44 zazone wrote:
MVP GSL finals?how is Genius PvZ ?

He already won vs DRG in this GSL, didnt he?


Thank god it's not extended series

Won't need it. Genius 4-0 either way
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Devolved
Profile Joined April 2008
United States2753 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-23 09:51:59
February 23 2012 09:50 GMT
#865
Micro as P to win the game.

Micro as T to stay alive.

(btw, these aren't Terran tears. I'm a Protoss player.)
$♥$
NHY
Profile Joined October 2010
1013 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-23 09:51:13
February 23 2012 09:50 GMT
#866
On February 23 2012 18:42 teddyoojo wrote:
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On February 23 2012 18:41 Fionn wrote:
On February 23 2012 18:41 avilo wrote:
Ok, he scouts the all-in, still dies.

....


Genius' micro was perfect. Literally perfect.

you should not be able to win with cheese if its revealed so early

fuck you genius, now other protoss on ladder start doing it more and i get lots of freelosses.


His strategy didn't depend on aLive not scouting. aLive went for expand, which means not enough marines to shut it down by scouting it when there's 1 stalker guarding the stargate.
Porcelina
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United Kingdom3249 Posts
February 23 2012 09:51 GMT
#867
On February 23 2012 18:46 Exarl25 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2012 18:44 NGrNecris wrote:
On February 23 2012 18:40 BuzZoo wrote:
On February 23 2012 18:36 NGrNecris wrote:
On February 23 2012 18:35 Lann555 wrote:
Anyone else losing interest in watching TvP's? Protoss either 2-base allins, or turtles into an unstoppable late-game army. Matchup seems so inferior to TvZ

TvP has been inferior to TvZ for as long as i can remember


I'm probably going to get flamed for this. But is it possible that the fact that MMM has traditionally been so effective meant that other options for terran have just gone unexplored?
I remember a brief period where a very thor-heavy army was a bit of a fad in Korean GM. Is mixing in some BC's or banshees in the ultra late game just silly bio being so light on gas?
Please don't abuse me because I'm just genuinely wondering. Many of the things that have had zergs such as myself QQing in the past have been fixed with metagame as much as patching.

I think part of it is what you say but i think the main reason is how bad mech is vs P. Also when thorzain won TSL with thors they got nerfed


Jinro came back from behind and destroyed a Protoss in the super late game in some tournament yesterday by mass nuking and going BCs to Yamato the Colossi. Was interesting to watch but not sure how viable it is if the Protoss is more prepared.


The thing is, that is true in so many respects for every race. There are still so many unexplored avenues in the late game of most matchups; whoever comes up with something fairly new holds a huge advantage just because reactions have not been defined or even thought out.

There is so much gripe about late game balance, but honestly, we are so far away from being able to see the whole picture. We only get to see small glimpses of what will come; just as the way players played out late game in 2010 now seems ridiculous and plain wrong, it is hard to accept that we will not look back at the established truths of early 2012 and laugh in the future. (Of course, HotS might just invalidate this, but oh well).
XRaDiiX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1730 Posts
February 23 2012 09:51 GMT
#868
There seems something fundamentally wrong with Protoss ability to force an army to split half its forces on the low and high ground and being able to Force Field the Ramp.

Something doesn't sit right with me about this mechanic in an RTS its extremely hard to deal with if you don't have medivacs or burrow roach as zerg.

You can basically cut the army in half automatically and deny the expo and/or kill the one half army off. and workers
Never GG MKP | IdrA
kurrysauce
Profile Joined October 2010
272 Posts
February 23 2012 09:51 GMT
#869
On February 23 2012 18:48 Seeker wrote:
Anyone remember what mothership was?


iirc , it was "Moo - Fan" or something like that
Solis_au
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia30 Posts
February 23 2012 09:51 GMT
#870
What the fuck. I feel like I've lost brain cells skimming over this topic.
Team FvR
Ansinjunger
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2451 Posts
February 23 2012 09:51 GMT
#871
Moving back two air units who are not restricted in any way from an immobile bunker is not very impressive. That doesn't change the fact that Genius played that really well. I don't know why aLive didn't either hole up in his main or build a second low ground bunker.

I know the feeling, "I got this high ground bunker, HA take that all-iner," and then you just get out-maneuvered because you didn't take extreme precautions as you fear your enemy is double expanding or that your own cleverness will stump him.

There's times you just have to understand the game situation and make more logical and safe moves, especially when you're already way ahead assuming a solid defense. Even if Genius pulled back in some perfect retreat, making good trades but aLive defending without taking crippling losses, aLive's ahead by virtue of expansion.
Engdrew
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States890 Posts
February 23 2012 09:51 GMT
#872
On February 23 2012 18:49 SC2Phoenix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2012 18:47 thunddr wrote:
On February 23 2012 18:44 Crashburn wrote:
I don't know why I read TL live report threads. There's more bitching in this thread than my wife on all of her periods combined.



indeed. there's a lot of stereotypical hate on the TL.net threads

1. the BW supremacist who constantly hates on sc2 and its mechanics, gameplay, builds, etc.
2. the person who consistently misuses terms: cheese, bonjwa, all-in, etc.
3. the person who nitpicks every single mistake by players and even casters


the list goes on...

calm your beards TL. stay classy.
You forgot the people who scream imbalanced when X race wins over Y race.



how could i forget???

but yes "imba" "OP" are very misused on the forums.
.
Liph
Profile Joined April 2011
United States151 Posts
February 23 2012 09:51 GMT
#873
From a mid masters random player, rine splitting is exponentially easier than keeping every single void ray alive in an all in against competent terrans.
"You Miss 100% of the Shots You Don't Take - Wayne Gretsky" Michael Gary Scott
Jaramir
Profile Joined January 2012
Australia232 Posts
February 23 2012 09:51 GMT
#874
wait did that dude have no hands?
She is a cannibal and she likes me, kind of ironic cos I dont eat meat
Astro-Penguin
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
554 Posts
February 23 2012 09:51 GMT
#875
Artosis said in one of his dallies that a lot of terrain who thought they were good before the EMP nerf are suddenly getting owned late game now because they weren't every really that good to begin with. It really does baffle me that Terran think they should be able to attack into bad positioning against a well positioned HT Colossi ball and come out ahead, talk about double standards, if a Protoss were to attack into a bunch of EMPS then without a doubt we will lose the battle to, PvT is finally at a point where Terran cant just press T and a move across the map and kill a Protoss.
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
February 23 2012 09:51 GMT
#876
On February 23 2012 18:49 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2012 18:49 Zdrastochye wrote:
On February 23 2012 18:47 mr_tolkien wrote:
On February 23 2012 18:45 Zdrastochye wrote:
OH MY GOD, GENIUS DIDN'T 1A HIS VRS INTO MARINES, wow, that's just mind-blowing micro.

...


/sarcasm

Marine splits are more entertaining then that, and they're hardly that well-received.

MKP did almost perfect marine splits in November 2010. It's old now :p


No way will I forget MKP vs Kyrix, but ogling at that kind of micro is actually deserved, considering he is microing more than 3 units almost perfectly...

I'll let it die, I just don't get the jizzing of some of these notable and respectable posters.


If you don't understand why that was so amazing then don't comment on it, simple as that.


I understand why it was basic micro that zergs do with queens all the time vs 3 VR pushes in PvZ. It's impressive micro, but not worth everyone claiming that it's the best micro in the world.
Hey! How you doin'?
Crashburn
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States476 Posts
February 23 2012 09:52 GMT
#877
On February 23 2012 18:51 Porcelina wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2012 18:46 Exarl25 wrote:
On February 23 2012 18:44 NGrNecris wrote:
On February 23 2012 18:40 BuzZoo wrote:
On February 23 2012 18:36 NGrNecris wrote:
On February 23 2012 18:35 Lann555 wrote:
Anyone else losing interest in watching TvP's? Protoss either 2-base allins, or turtles into an unstoppable late-game army. Matchup seems so inferior to TvZ

TvP has been inferior to TvZ for as long as i can remember


I'm probably going to get flamed for this. But is it possible that the fact that MMM has traditionally been so effective meant that other options for terran have just gone unexplored?
I remember a brief period where a very thor-heavy army was a bit of a fad in Korean GM. Is mixing in some BC's or banshees in the ultra late game just silly bio being so light on gas?
Please don't abuse me because I'm just genuinely wondering. Many of the things that have had zergs such as myself QQing in the past have been fixed with metagame as much as patching.

I think part of it is what you say but i think the main reason is how bad mech is vs P. Also when thorzain won TSL with thors they got nerfed


Jinro came back from behind and destroyed a Protoss in the super late game in some tournament yesterday by mass nuking and going BCs to Yamato the Colossi. Was interesting to watch but not sure how viable it is if the Protoss is more prepared.


The thing is, that is true in so many respects for every race. There are still so many unexplored avenues in the late game of most matchups; whoever comes up with something fairly new holds a huge advantage just because reactions have not been defined or even thought out.

There is so much gripe about late game balance, but honestly, we are so far away from being able to see the whole picture. We only get to see small glimpses of what will come; just as the way players played out late game in 2010 now seems ridiculous and plain wrong, it is hard to accept that we will not look back at the established truths of early 2012 and laugh in the future. (Of course, HotS might just invalidate this, but oh well).


That response is way too logical and measured. Where the hell is your god damn pitchfork? IMBA OMFG
beamingrobot
Profile Joined October 2010
United States685 Posts
February 23 2012 09:52 GMT
#878
On February 23 2012 18:51 Solis_au wrote:
What the fuck. I feel like I've lost brain cells skimming over this topic.

babybell
Profile Joined June 2011
776 Posts
February 23 2012 09:52 GMT
#879
On February 23 2012 05:35 TehTemplar wrote:
Alive and gumiho both 3-0
Then Alive will win the finals by 2 games.

dat prediction
kckkryptonite
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
1126 Posts
February 23 2012 09:52 GMT
#880
Artosis wrong again, "Alive the current best Terran" hoho.
RIP avilo, qxc keyboard 2013, RIP Nathanis keyboard 2014
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