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Crashburn
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States476 Posts
March 19 2012 00:10 GMT
#8501
On March 19 2012 09:03 Denzil wrote:
let us remember than incontrol is the only protoss so far in this tournament to beat sleep


I didn't catch the match, would you (or someone else) mind summarizing how Incontrol beat Sleep for me? You can PM me or spoiler it so those that want to catch the VODs don't have their experience ruined. Thanks
SiroKO
Profile Joined February 2012
France721 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-19 00:11:39
March 19 2012 00:10 GMT
#8502
On March 19 2012 09:08 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2012 09:04 HGurryp wrote:
sleep tech switch is so good, never see this before.
Sleep my new favorite player

DRG used it in the GSL finals season 1. He doesn't uses hydras though, just 160 food ling roach and then mass muta. The hydras from Sleep are nice addition to force collosus.

Hydras --> Collosus --> Muta ----> Pheonix + Range ---> Infestor ---> ???

I think that is how it should go techwise.


Except the chain ends up with infestors/broodlords/corruptors mass spine that Protoss can't counter.
THis is why you don't play a macro or a "smart" game against Zerg, you go for a 2-3 base push and that's it.
Our envy always last longer than the happiness of those we envy
Fishgle
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States2174 Posts
March 19 2012 00:11 GMT
#8503
On March 19 2012 09:08 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2012 09:04 HGurryp wrote:
sleep tech switch is so good, never see this before.
Sleep my new favorite player

DRG used it in the GSL finals season 1. He doesn't uses hydras though, just 160 food ling roach and then mass muta. The hydras from Sleep are nice addition to force collosus.

Hydras --> Collosus --> Muta ----> Pheonix + Range ---> Infestor ---> ???

I think that is how it should go techwise.


Hydras --> Collosus --> Muta ----> Pheonix + Range ---> Infestor ---> High Templar ---> Ultras ----> Voidrays ---> Hydras.....
aka ChillyGonzalo / GnozL
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
March 19 2012 00:11 GMT
#8504
http://www.redbullusa.com/cs/Satellite/en_US/001243017356310

Naniwa vs Thorzain btw for everyone that can run 2 streams.
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
March 19 2012 00:11 GMT
#8505
Grubby vs Sleep Set 2.

Minute 0
Map
Sleep spawns in the North
Grubby in the South

Sleep going for 14 pool. No gas.
Grubby going for FFE
I had a good night of sleep.
Lorch
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany3687 Posts
March 19 2012 00:11 GMT
#8506
On March 19 2012 09:09 Mouzone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2012 09:07 Whalecore wrote:
On March 19 2012 09:05 Koshi wrote:
I want to see mutas against Terran again, all good zergs are switching over to ling infestor. DRG used to solely rely on his muta bling but he also switched to ling infestor.

Thors and marines are 100000x better than any of the anti-muta units the Protoss have. Protoss does not have a good answer to mutalisks, that is why Zergs still use them in ZvP but don't use them in ZvT.


That's not entirely true, storms are a perfectly good counter but it takes such a great commitment and much time to get the tech out there, and HT's are extremely fragile so it requires very good awareness and multitasking. Thors for instance can be left alone and dish out fatal damage anyway.


This is only partialy true. HT tech is not that hard to get actually, unless you are so far behind already that you are in this stupid phase where you have to warp in pure blink stalker to survive. The way more important issue is that thor deals instant aoe with a sick range while storm requiere you to pretty much hope that your opponnent messes up and chills in the storm.
Denzil
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom4193 Posts
March 19 2012 00:12 GMT
#8507
On March 19 2012 09:09 TheBanana wrote:
Come on Grubby, take a page out of iNcontroLs book and cannon rush his ass.
Or his natural, his ass is probably not as important for macro.


Maybe I got this wrong but my impression of sleep is he's a ritualistic player if you let him standard it up and Play his plan hell run the show if you shake him up he's weak
Anna: So Sen how will you prepare for your revenge v MC? Sen: With a smile.
nvs.
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada3609 Posts
March 19 2012 00:12 GMT
#8508
On March 19 2012 09:10 Crashburn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2012 09:03 Denzil wrote:
let us remember than incontrol is the only protoss so far in this tournament to beat sleep


I didn't catch the match, would you (or someone else) mind summarizing how Incontrol beat Sleep for me? You can PM me or spoiler it so those that want to catch the VODs don't have their experience ruined. Thanks


Game 1: 2 Base All In
Game 2: Cannons
Oboeman
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada3980 Posts
March 19 2012 00:12 GMT
#8509
On March 19 2012 09:04 HGurryp wrote:
sleep tech switch is so good, never see this before.
Sleep my new favorite player


Ever seen a Leenock ZvP?
pretty much all of them look like this. He doesn't always make hydras, but he certainly does sometimes depending on what opponent does.
TheRhox
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada868 Posts
March 19 2012 00:12 GMT
#8510
On March 19 2012 09:10 Crashburn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2012 09:03 Denzil wrote:
let us remember than incontrol is the only protoss so far in this tournament to beat sleep


I didn't catch the match, would you (or someone else) mind summarizing how Incontrol beat Sleep for me? You can PM me or spoiler it so those that want to catch the VODs don't have their experience ruined. Thanks


Early aggression, Sleep has been playing very greedy these games and leaves himself open to a good 2base timing. Unfortunately whitera and grubby haven't seemed to take advantage of this.
TheBanana
Profile Joined December 2010
Norway2183 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-19 00:14:26
March 19 2012 00:13 GMT
#8511
On March 19 2012 09:12 Denzil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2012 09:09 TheBanana wrote:
Come on Grubby, take a page out of iNcontroLs book and cannon rush his ass.
Or his natural, his ass is probably not as important for macro.


Maybe I got this wrong but my impression of sleep is he's a ritualistic player if you let him standard it up and Play his plan hell run the show if you shake him up he's weak


I think you're right, he doesn't seem very good at handling harassment/agression.
If you're not getting better faster than everybody else, you're getting worse.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
March 19 2012 00:14 GMT
#8512
On March 19 2012 09:11 Koshi wrote:
Grubby vs Sleep Set 2.

Minute 0
Map Daybrake
Sleep spawns in the North
Grubby in the South

Sleep going for 14 pool. No gas.
Grubby going for FFE

Minute 5
Grubby 17 forge + Nexus
Sleep going no gas into 2 expansions.

I had a good night of sleep.
Mouzone
Profile Joined April 2011
3937 Posts
March 19 2012 00:14 GMT
#8513
On March 19 2012 09:11 Lorch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2012 09:09 Mouzone wrote:
On March 19 2012 09:07 Whalecore wrote:
On March 19 2012 09:05 Koshi wrote:
I want to see mutas against Terran again, all good zergs are switching over to ling infestor. DRG used to solely rely on his muta bling but he also switched to ling infestor.

Thors and marines are 100000x better than any of the anti-muta units the Protoss have. Protoss does not have a good answer to mutalisks, that is why Zergs still use them in ZvP but don't use them in ZvT.


That's not entirely true, storms are a perfectly good counter but it takes such a great commitment and much time to get the tech out there, and HT's are extremely fragile so it requires very good awareness and multitasking. Thors for instance can be left alone and dish out fatal damage anyway.


This is only partialy true. HT tech is not that hard to get actually, unless you are so far behind already that you are in this stupid phase where you have to warp in pure blink stalker to survive. The way more important issue is that thor deals instant aoe with a sick range while storm requiere you to pretty much hope that your opponnent messes up and chills in the storm.


Not hard to get no but the commitment in terms of gas and tech path is huge.
Oboeman
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada3980 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-19 00:14:55
March 19 2012 00:14 GMT
#8514
On March 19 2012 09:10 Crashburn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2012 09:03 Denzil wrote:
let us remember than incontrol is the only protoss so far in this tournament to beat sleep


I didn't catch the match, would you (or someone else) mind summarizing how Incontrol beat Sleep for me? You can PM me or spoiler it so those that want to catch the VODs don't have their experience ruined. Thanks


cannons in his natural (not a ramp block, just building cannons at the pylon) followed by 2-base all-in. Colossus game 1, immortal game 2.
Romitelli
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Brunei Darussalam566 Posts
March 19 2012 00:14 GMT
#8515
What was the map for the first set?
Zed's dead, baby, Zed's dead.
JyB
Profile Joined January 2012
France466 Posts
March 19 2012 00:14 GMT
#8516
Is there any VOD of the Polt vs Stephano matches ?
Thanks
Lorch
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany3687 Posts
March 19 2012 00:15 GMT
#8517
On March 19 2012 09:14 Mouzone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2012 09:11 Lorch wrote:
On March 19 2012 09:09 Mouzone wrote:
On March 19 2012 09:07 Whalecore wrote:
On March 19 2012 09:05 Koshi wrote:
I want to see mutas against Terran again, all good zergs are switching over to ling infestor. DRG used to solely rely on his muta bling but he also switched to ling infestor.

Thors and marines are 100000x better than any of the anti-muta units the Protoss have. Protoss does not have a good answer to mutalisks, that is why Zergs still use them in ZvP but don't use them in ZvT.


That's not entirely true, storms are a perfectly good counter but it takes such a great commitment and much time to get the tech out there, and HT's are extremely fragile so it requires very good awareness and multitasking. Thors for instance can be left alone and dish out fatal damage anyway.


This is only partialy true. HT tech is not that hard to get actually, unless you are so far behind already that you are in this stupid phase where you have to warp in pure blink stalker to survive. The way more important issue is that thor deals instant aoe with a sick range while storm requiere you to pretty much hope that your opponnent messes up and chills in the storm.


Not hard to get no but the commitment in terms of gas and tech path is huge.


True but for the most part they'll end up getting ling/bling when it's that heavy muta, and storm helps againt that pretty well. You are screwed though if you survive long enough for them to get broodlords.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
March 19 2012 00:15 GMT
#8518
On March 19 2012 09:14 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2012 09:11 Koshi wrote:
Grubby vs Sleep Set 2.

Minute 0
Map Daybrake
Sleep spawns in the North
Grubby in the South

Sleep going for 14 pool. No gas.
Grubby going for FFE

Minute 5
Grubby 17 forge + Nexus
Sleep going no gas into 2 expansions.


Minute 7
Sleep mass droning, taking 2 extractors.
Grubby got 4 gasses and 43 supply. Stargate going up.
I had a good night of sleep.
Urth
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States1250 Posts
March 19 2012 00:16 GMT
#8519
air into sentry immortal incoming?
BY.HERO FIGHTING!!!!
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
March 19 2012 00:17 GMT
#8520
On March 19 2012 09:15 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2012 09:14 Koshi wrote:
On March 19 2012 09:11 Koshi wrote:
Grubby vs Sleep Set 2.

Minute 0
Map Daybrake
Sleep spawns in the North
Grubby in the South

Sleep going for 14 pool. No gas.
Grubby going for FFE

Minute 5
Grubby 17 forge + Nexus
Sleep going no gas into 2 expansions.


Minute 7
Sleep mass droning, taking 2 extractors.
Grubby got 4 gasses and 43 supply. Stargate going up.

Minute 10
Sleep making evo chamber and roach warrand. He scouts the stargate and spores already going down.
Grubby making a robotics and adds 3 more gates. First Immortals starts. He starts Air harass.
I had a good night of sleep.
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