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Crashburn
United States476 Posts
On March 19 2012 09:03 Denzil wrote: let us remember than incontrol is the only protoss so far in this tournament to beat sleep I didn't catch the match, would you (or someone else) mind summarizing how Incontrol beat Sleep for me? You can PM me or spoiler it so those that want to catch the VODs don't have their experience ruined. Thanks  | ||
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SiroKO
France721 Posts
On March 19 2012 09:08 Koshi wrote: DRG used it in the GSL finals season 1. He doesn't uses hydras though, just 160 food ling roach and then mass muta. The hydras from Sleep are nice addition to force collosus. Hydras --> Collosus --> Muta ----> Pheonix + Range ---> Infestor ---> ??? I think that is how it should go techwise. Except the chain ends up with infestors/broodlords/corruptors mass spine that Protoss can't counter. THis is why you don't play a macro or a "smart" game against Zerg, you go for a 2-3 base push and that's it. | ||
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Fishgle
United States2174 Posts
On March 19 2012 09:08 Koshi wrote: DRG used it in the GSL finals season 1. He doesn't uses hydras though, just 160 food ling roach and then mass muta. The hydras from Sleep are nice addition to force collosus. Hydras --> Collosus --> Muta ----> Pheonix + Range ---> Infestor ---> ??? I think that is how it should go techwise. Hydras --> Collosus --> Muta ----> Pheonix + Range ---> Infestor ---> High Templar ---> Ultras ----> Voidrays ---> Hydras..... | ||
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
Naniwa vs Thorzain btw for everyone that can run 2 streams. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
Minute 0 Map Sleep spawns in the North Grubby in the South Sleep going for 14 pool. No gas. Grubby going for FFE | ||
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Lorch
Germany3684 Posts
On March 19 2012 09:09 Mouzone wrote: That's not entirely true, storms are a perfectly good counter but it takes such a great commitment and much time to get the tech out there, and HT's are extremely fragile so it requires very good awareness and multitasking. Thors for instance can be left alone and dish out fatal damage anyway. This is only partialy true. HT tech is not that hard to get actually, unless you are so far behind already that you are in this stupid phase where you have to warp in pure blink stalker to survive. The way more important issue is that thor deals instant aoe with a sick range while storm requiere you to pretty much hope that your opponnent messes up and chills in the storm. | ||
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Denzil
United Kingdom4193 Posts
On March 19 2012 09:09 TheBanana wrote: Come on Grubby, take a page out of iNcontroLs book and cannon rush his ass. Or his natural, his ass is probably not as important for macro. Maybe I got this wrong but my impression of sleep is he's a ritualistic player if you let him standard it up and Play his plan hell run the show if you shake him up he's weak | ||
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nvs.
Canada3609 Posts
On March 19 2012 09:10 Crashburn wrote: I didn't catch the match, would you (or someone else) mind summarizing how Incontrol beat Sleep for me? You can PM me or spoiler it so those that want to catch the VODs don't have their experience ruined. Thanks Game 1: 2 Base All In Game 2: Cannons | ||
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Oboeman
Canada3980 Posts
On March 19 2012 09:04 HGurryp wrote: sleep tech switch is so good, never see this before. Sleep my new favorite player  Ever seen a Leenock ZvP? pretty much all of them look like this. He doesn't always make hydras, but he certainly does sometimes depending on what opponent does. | ||
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TheRhox
Canada868 Posts
On March 19 2012 09:10 Crashburn wrote: I didn't catch the match, would you (or someone else) mind summarizing how Incontrol beat Sleep for me? You can PM me or spoiler it so those that want to catch the VODs don't have their experience ruined. Thanks Early aggression, Sleep has been playing very greedy these games and leaves himself open to a good 2base timing. Unfortunately whitera and grubby haven't seemed to take advantage of this. | ||
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TheBanana
Norway2183 Posts
On March 19 2012 09:12 Denzil wrote: Maybe I got this wrong but my impression of sleep is he's a ritualistic player if you let him standard it up and Play his plan hell run the show if you shake him up he's weak I think you're right, he doesn't seem very good at handling harassment/agression. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On March 19 2012 09:11 Koshi wrote: Grubby vs Sleep Set 2. Minute 0 Map Daybrake Sleep spawns in the North Grubby in the South Sleep going for 14 pool. No gas. Grubby going for FFE Minute 5 Grubby 17 forge + Nexus Sleep going no gas into 2 expansions. | ||
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Mouzone
3937 Posts
On March 19 2012 09:11 Lorch wrote: This is only partialy true. HT tech is not that hard to get actually, unless you are so far behind already that you are in this stupid phase where you have to warp in pure blink stalker to survive. The way more important issue is that thor deals instant aoe with a sick range while storm requiere you to pretty much hope that your opponnent messes up and chills in the storm. Not hard to get no but the commitment in terms of gas and tech path is huge. | ||
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Oboeman
Canada3980 Posts
On March 19 2012 09:10 Crashburn wrote: I didn't catch the match, would you (or someone else) mind summarizing how Incontrol beat Sleep for me? You can PM me or spoiler it so those that want to catch the VODs don't have their experience ruined. Thanks cannons in his natural (not a ramp block, just building cannons at the pylon) followed by 2-base all-in. Colossus game 1, immortal game 2. | ||
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Romitelli
Brunei Darussalam566 Posts
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JyB
France466 Posts
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Lorch
Germany3684 Posts
On March 19 2012 09:14 Mouzone wrote: Not hard to get no but the commitment in terms of gas and tech path is huge. True but for the most part they'll end up getting ling/bling when it's that heavy muta, and storm helps againt that pretty well. You are screwed though if you survive long enough for them to get broodlords. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On March 19 2012 09:14 Koshi wrote: Minute 5 Grubby 17 forge + Nexus Sleep going no gas into 2 expansions. Minute 7 Sleep mass droning, taking 2 extractors. Grubby got 4 gasses and 43 supply. Stargate going up. | ||
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Urth
United States1249 Posts
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On March 19 2012 09:15 Koshi wrote: Minute 7 Sleep mass droning, taking 2 extractors. Grubby got 4 gasses and 43 supply. Stargate going up. Minute 10 Sleep making evo chamber and roach warrand. He scouts the stargate and spores already going down. Grubby making a robotics and adds 3 more gates. First Immortals starts. He starts Air harass. | ||
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