• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 10:33
CET 16:33
KST 00:33
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT24Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book16Clem wins HomeStory Cup 289HomeStory Cup 28 - Info & Preview13Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info8
Community News
Weekly Cups (Feb 9-15): herO doubles up2ACS replaced by "ASL Season Open" - Starts 21/0241LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals (Feb 10-16)46Weekly Cups (Feb 2-8): Classic, Solar, MaxPax win2Nexon's StarCraft game could be FPS, led by UMS maker16
StarCraft 2
General
Liquipedia WCS Portal Launched ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT Kaelaris on the futue of SC2 and much more... How do you think the 5.0.15 balance patch (Oct 2025) for StarCraft II has affected the game? Nexon's StarCraft game could be FPS, led by UMS maker
Tourneys
PIG STY FESTIVAL 7.0! (19 Feb - 1 Mar) StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly) How do the "codes" work in GSL? Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals (Feb 10-16)
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ? [A] Starcraft Sound Mod
External Content
Mutation # 513 Attrition Warfare The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 512 Overclocked Mutation # 511 Temple of Rebirth
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ [LIVE] [S:21] ASL Season Open Day 1 ACS replaced by "ASL Season Open" - Starts 21/02 Gypsy to Korea A cwal.gg Extension - Easily keep track of anyone
Tourneys
Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 1 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0 KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Zealot bombing is no longer popular? Fighting Spirit mining rates Current Meta
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread ZeroSpace Megathread Diablo 2 thread Path of Exile Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Ask and answer stupid questions here! Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TL MMA Pick'em Pool 2013
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Inside the Communication of …
TrAiDoS
My 2025 Magic: The Gathering…
DARKING
Life Update and thoughts.
FuDDx
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1783 users

Lone Star Clash - $10,000 Invitational in Texas - Page 426

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
10431 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 424 425 426 427 428 522 Next
Crashburn
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States476 Posts
March 19 2012 00:10 GMT
#8501
On March 19 2012 09:03 Denzil wrote:
let us remember than incontrol is the only protoss so far in this tournament to beat sleep


I didn't catch the match, would you (or someone else) mind summarizing how Incontrol beat Sleep for me? You can PM me or spoiler it so those that want to catch the VODs don't have their experience ruined. Thanks
SiroKO
Profile Joined February 2012
France721 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-19 00:11:39
March 19 2012 00:10 GMT
#8502
On March 19 2012 09:08 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2012 09:04 HGurryp wrote:
sleep tech switch is so good, never see this before.
Sleep my new favorite player

DRG used it in the GSL finals season 1. He doesn't uses hydras though, just 160 food ling roach and then mass muta. The hydras from Sleep are nice addition to force collosus.

Hydras --> Collosus --> Muta ----> Pheonix + Range ---> Infestor ---> ???

I think that is how it should go techwise.


Except the chain ends up with infestors/broodlords/corruptors mass spine that Protoss can't counter.
THis is why you don't play a macro or a "smart" game against Zerg, you go for a 2-3 base push and that's it.
Our envy always last longer than the happiness of those we envy
Fishgle
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States2174 Posts
March 19 2012 00:11 GMT
#8503
On March 19 2012 09:08 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2012 09:04 HGurryp wrote:
sleep tech switch is so good, never see this before.
Sleep my new favorite player

DRG used it in the GSL finals season 1. He doesn't uses hydras though, just 160 food ling roach and then mass muta. The hydras from Sleep are nice addition to force collosus.

Hydras --> Collosus --> Muta ----> Pheonix + Range ---> Infestor ---> ???

I think that is how it should go techwise.


Hydras --> Collosus --> Muta ----> Pheonix + Range ---> Infestor ---> High Templar ---> Ultras ----> Voidrays ---> Hydras.....
aka ChillyGonzalo / GnozL
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
March 19 2012 00:11 GMT
#8504
http://www.redbullusa.com/cs/Satellite/en_US/001243017356310

Naniwa vs Thorzain btw for everyone that can run 2 streams.
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
March 19 2012 00:11 GMT
#8505
Grubby vs Sleep Set 2.

Minute 0
Map
Sleep spawns in the North
Grubby in the South

Sleep going for 14 pool. No gas.
Grubby going for FFE
I had a good night of sleep.
Lorch
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany3691 Posts
March 19 2012 00:11 GMT
#8506
On March 19 2012 09:09 Mouzone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2012 09:07 Whalecore wrote:
On March 19 2012 09:05 Koshi wrote:
I want to see mutas against Terran again, all good zergs are switching over to ling infestor. DRG used to solely rely on his muta bling but he also switched to ling infestor.

Thors and marines are 100000x better than any of the anti-muta units the Protoss have. Protoss does not have a good answer to mutalisks, that is why Zergs still use them in ZvP but don't use them in ZvT.


That's not entirely true, storms are a perfectly good counter but it takes such a great commitment and much time to get the tech out there, and HT's are extremely fragile so it requires very good awareness and multitasking. Thors for instance can be left alone and dish out fatal damage anyway.


This is only partialy true. HT tech is not that hard to get actually, unless you are so far behind already that you are in this stupid phase where you have to warp in pure blink stalker to survive. The way more important issue is that thor deals instant aoe with a sick range while storm requiere you to pretty much hope that your opponnent messes up and chills in the storm.
Denzil
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom4193 Posts
March 19 2012 00:12 GMT
#8507
On March 19 2012 09:09 TheBanana wrote:
Come on Grubby, take a page out of iNcontroLs book and cannon rush his ass.
Or his natural, his ass is probably not as important for macro.


Maybe I got this wrong but my impression of sleep is he's a ritualistic player if you let him standard it up and Play his plan hell run the show if you shake him up he's weak
Anna: So Sen how will you prepare for your revenge v MC? Sen: With a smile.
nvs.
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada3609 Posts
March 19 2012 00:12 GMT
#8508
On March 19 2012 09:10 Crashburn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2012 09:03 Denzil wrote:
let us remember than incontrol is the only protoss so far in this tournament to beat sleep


I didn't catch the match, would you (or someone else) mind summarizing how Incontrol beat Sleep for me? You can PM me or spoiler it so those that want to catch the VODs don't have their experience ruined. Thanks


Game 1: 2 Base All In
Game 2: Cannons
Oboeman
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada3980 Posts
March 19 2012 00:12 GMT
#8509
On March 19 2012 09:04 HGurryp wrote:
sleep tech switch is so good, never see this before.
Sleep my new favorite player


Ever seen a Leenock ZvP?
pretty much all of them look like this. He doesn't always make hydras, but he certainly does sometimes depending on what opponent does.
TheRhox
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada868 Posts
March 19 2012 00:12 GMT
#8510
On March 19 2012 09:10 Crashburn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2012 09:03 Denzil wrote:
let us remember than incontrol is the only protoss so far in this tournament to beat sleep


I didn't catch the match, would you (or someone else) mind summarizing how Incontrol beat Sleep for me? You can PM me or spoiler it so those that want to catch the VODs don't have their experience ruined. Thanks


Early aggression, Sleep has been playing very greedy these games and leaves himself open to a good 2base timing. Unfortunately whitera and grubby haven't seemed to take advantage of this.
TheBanana
Profile Joined December 2010
Norway2183 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-19 00:14:26
March 19 2012 00:13 GMT
#8511
On March 19 2012 09:12 Denzil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2012 09:09 TheBanana wrote:
Come on Grubby, take a page out of iNcontroLs book and cannon rush his ass.
Or his natural, his ass is probably not as important for macro.


Maybe I got this wrong but my impression of sleep is he's a ritualistic player if you let him standard it up and Play his plan hell run the show if you shake him up he's weak


I think you're right, he doesn't seem very good at handling harassment/agression.
If you're not getting better faster than everybody else, you're getting worse.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
March 19 2012 00:14 GMT
#8512
On March 19 2012 09:11 Koshi wrote:
Grubby vs Sleep Set 2.

Minute 0
Map Daybrake
Sleep spawns in the North
Grubby in the South

Sleep going for 14 pool. No gas.
Grubby going for FFE

Minute 5
Grubby 17 forge + Nexus
Sleep going no gas into 2 expansions.

I had a good night of sleep.
Mouzone
Profile Joined April 2011
3937 Posts
March 19 2012 00:14 GMT
#8513
On March 19 2012 09:11 Lorch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2012 09:09 Mouzone wrote:
On March 19 2012 09:07 Whalecore wrote:
On March 19 2012 09:05 Koshi wrote:
I want to see mutas against Terran again, all good zergs are switching over to ling infestor. DRG used to solely rely on his muta bling but he also switched to ling infestor.

Thors and marines are 100000x better than any of the anti-muta units the Protoss have. Protoss does not have a good answer to mutalisks, that is why Zergs still use them in ZvP but don't use them in ZvT.


That's not entirely true, storms are a perfectly good counter but it takes such a great commitment and much time to get the tech out there, and HT's are extremely fragile so it requires very good awareness and multitasking. Thors for instance can be left alone and dish out fatal damage anyway.


This is only partialy true. HT tech is not that hard to get actually, unless you are so far behind already that you are in this stupid phase where you have to warp in pure blink stalker to survive. The way more important issue is that thor deals instant aoe with a sick range while storm requiere you to pretty much hope that your opponnent messes up and chills in the storm.


Not hard to get no but the commitment in terms of gas and tech path is huge.
Oboeman
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada3980 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-19 00:14:55
March 19 2012 00:14 GMT
#8514
On March 19 2012 09:10 Crashburn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2012 09:03 Denzil wrote:
let us remember than incontrol is the only protoss so far in this tournament to beat sleep


I didn't catch the match, would you (or someone else) mind summarizing how Incontrol beat Sleep for me? You can PM me or spoiler it so those that want to catch the VODs don't have their experience ruined. Thanks


cannons in his natural (not a ramp block, just building cannons at the pylon) followed by 2-base all-in. Colossus game 1, immortal game 2.
Romitelli
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Brunei Darussalam566 Posts
March 19 2012 00:14 GMT
#8515
What was the map for the first set?
Zed's dead, baby, Zed's dead.
JyB
Profile Joined January 2012
France466 Posts
March 19 2012 00:14 GMT
#8516
Is there any VOD of the Polt vs Stephano matches ?
Thanks
Lorch
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany3691 Posts
March 19 2012 00:15 GMT
#8517
On March 19 2012 09:14 Mouzone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2012 09:11 Lorch wrote:
On March 19 2012 09:09 Mouzone wrote:
On March 19 2012 09:07 Whalecore wrote:
On March 19 2012 09:05 Koshi wrote:
I want to see mutas against Terran again, all good zergs are switching over to ling infestor. DRG used to solely rely on his muta bling but he also switched to ling infestor.

Thors and marines are 100000x better than any of the anti-muta units the Protoss have. Protoss does not have a good answer to mutalisks, that is why Zergs still use them in ZvP but don't use them in ZvT.


That's not entirely true, storms are a perfectly good counter but it takes such a great commitment and much time to get the tech out there, and HT's are extremely fragile so it requires very good awareness and multitasking. Thors for instance can be left alone and dish out fatal damage anyway.


This is only partialy true. HT tech is not that hard to get actually, unless you are so far behind already that you are in this stupid phase where you have to warp in pure blink stalker to survive. The way more important issue is that thor deals instant aoe with a sick range while storm requiere you to pretty much hope that your opponnent messes up and chills in the storm.


Not hard to get no but the commitment in terms of gas and tech path is huge.


True but for the most part they'll end up getting ling/bling when it's that heavy muta, and storm helps againt that pretty well. You are screwed though if you survive long enough for them to get broodlords.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
March 19 2012 00:15 GMT
#8518
On March 19 2012 09:14 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2012 09:11 Koshi wrote:
Grubby vs Sleep Set 2.

Minute 0
Map Daybrake
Sleep spawns in the North
Grubby in the South

Sleep going for 14 pool. No gas.
Grubby going for FFE

Minute 5
Grubby 17 forge + Nexus
Sleep going no gas into 2 expansions.


Minute 7
Sleep mass droning, taking 2 extractors.
Grubby got 4 gasses and 43 supply. Stargate going up.
I had a good night of sleep.
Urth
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States1252 Posts
March 19 2012 00:16 GMT
#8519
air into sentry immortal incoming?
BY.HERO FIGHTING!!!!
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
March 19 2012 00:17 GMT
#8520
On March 19 2012 09:15 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2012 09:14 Koshi wrote:
On March 19 2012 09:11 Koshi wrote:
Grubby vs Sleep Set 2.

Minute 0
Map Daybrake
Sleep spawns in the North
Grubby in the South

Sleep going for 14 pool. No gas.
Grubby going for FFE

Minute 5
Grubby 17 forge + Nexus
Sleep going no gas into 2 expansions.


Minute 7
Sleep mass droning, taking 2 extractors.
Grubby got 4 gasses and 43 supply. Stargate going up.

Minute 10
Sleep making evo chamber and roach warrand. He scouts the stargate and spores already going down.
Grubby making a robotics and adds 3 more gates. First Immortals starts. He starts Air harass.
I had a good night of sleep.
Prev 1 424 425 426 427 428 522 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
15:00
Bonus Cup #4
uThermal283
Liquipedia
Epic.LAN
12:00
#47 - Day 2
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
uThermal 283
IndyStarCraft 213
Rex 76
BRAT_OK 76
goblin 18
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 35725
Sea 4348
Rain 3551
Horang2 1795
Shuttle 1315
Killer 538
firebathero 392
Mini 295
Light 265
HiyA 210
[ Show more ]
Last 113
Hyun 104
Hm[arnc] 102
Dewaltoss 97
JYJ 59
Bonyth 50
ToSsGirL 32
Noble 27
Rock 18
Movie 17
Shine 15
Terrorterran 13
NotJumperer 13
Sacsri 12
Dota 2
Gorgc5878
qojqva1641
Counter-Strike
fl0m3093
byalli800
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King122
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor521
Liquid`Hasu344
MindelVK1
Other Games
singsing2536
B2W.Neo1001
DeMusliM335
Lowko334
Fuzer 249
Hui .165
Liquid`VortiX140
ArmadaUGS36
KnowMe35
Trikslyr27
Organizations
Counter-Strike
PGL44846
StarCraft 2
WardiTV1079
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 11
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH54
• Adnapsc2 13
• Shameless 7
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• Michael_bg 4
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Nemesis5349
• Jankos1959
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
8h 27m
PiG Sty Festival
17h 27m
Serral vs YoungYakov
ByuN vs ShoWTimE
Sparkling Tuna Cup
18h 27m
Replay Cast
1d 8h
Replay Cast
1d 17h
Wardi Open
1d 20h
Monday Night Weeklies
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
WardiTV Winter Champion…
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
[ Show More ]
WardiTV Winter Champion…
3 days
The PondCast
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Korean StarCraft League
6 days
CranKy Ducklings
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S1: King of Kings
LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 1st Round Qualifier
WardiTV Winter 2026
PiG Sty Festival 7.0
Nations Cup 2026
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025

Upcoming

Acropolis #4 - TS5
Jeongseon Sooper Cup
Spring Cup 2026: China & Korea Invitational
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 2nd Round
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 2nd Round Qualifier
Acropolis #4 - TS6
Acropolis #4
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
RSL Revival: Season 4
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
FISSURE Playground #3
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.