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Polt vs. Violet coming up.
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On March 18 2012 08:57 Rhaegar_tar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 08:48 SeaSwift wrote:On March 18 2012 08:44 sitromit wrote:On March 18 2012 08:32 chosenkerrigan wrote:On March 18 2012 08:27 Canucklehead wrote:On March 18 2012 08:25 Phobbers wrote:On March 18 2012 08:24 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 18 2012 08:22 DeepElemBlues wrote:
Koreans: 'we greatly respect stephano'
Most posters the last 2 pages or so: Stephano ain't shit those Koreans would roll him EZ PZ
T.T Its becuase they dont understand how a foreigner player can do this without korean training. Stephano got so many koreans fans in the short time when he was in Korea.Play XP was goign crazy about him. All the best Koreans have sayd so many times Stephano is easy a code S player but still people cant belive it. No one said they would roll him ezpz, no one is denying that Stephano is Code S caliber. Stop making things up to support your terrible arguments and bias. I don't think stephano is code s quality. I'd need to see him more against koreans. He's a top foreigner no doubt, and probably best foreigner, but I'm not ready to even call him code A quality yet without more evidence of facing quality opponents. It's hard to define what really is code s-caliber. If you mean he's better than some of the bottom code s players, I agree. Sometimes luck does play an important role in qualifying for Code S. However, if by Code S caliber you mean he's tip top in Korea, it's definitely not true. He never actually played in Code S for a season or two so it's really hard to tell if he actually is that good. Stephano got high on the Korean ladder, what was it, like top 15 or so at its peak, before he quickly dropped down as people got used to his style? People use it as evidence, that he is Code S quality.. There are so many Koreans who've been very high on the ladder, who haven't even been able to make Code A so far... Life, who has been #1 numerous times, and was #1 again for quite a while just recently, bombed out in the Code A qualifiers a couple of weeks ago.. There's nothing to support that Stephano is a Code S level player. The bolded part is pure conjecture/imagination, invented as an explanation for why his winrate went down from ~70% to ~60%. He also never made "Top 15 on ladder" - I don't think he ever made it into GM. Realistically, his winrate dropped mostly because he started facing decent players rather than lower Masters/Diamonds. His style is really only "blind counter"-able in TvZ. In ZvZ... well, it's ZvZ. In PvZ, his style is fairly standard, just with slightly more Roaches and a big Infestor/BL switch later on, which maybe has a timing window when Hive is morphing. Oh my, you're so wrong....How can you say such things when you obviously don't follow the sc2 scene?
Someone says something wrong, say he/she obviously doesn't follow the scene. That is terrible logic and you know it. Stephano is good, I view him like Idra 2.0 in terms of his fanbase/anti-fans. His fans will over hype some of the smallest things about him, and anti-fans will always find a way to kick him while he is playing.
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On March 18 2012 08:57 Benjamin80 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 08:55 chosenkerrigan wrote:On March 18 2012 08:54 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 18 2012 08:44 sitromit wrote:On March 18 2012 08:32 chosenkerrigan wrote:On March 18 2012 08:27 Canucklehead wrote:On March 18 2012 08:25 Phobbers wrote:On March 18 2012 08:24 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 18 2012 08:22 DeepElemBlues wrote:
Koreans: 'we greatly respect stephano'
Most posters the last 2 pages or so: Stephano ain't shit those Koreans would roll him EZ PZ
T.T Its becuase they dont understand how a foreigner player can do this without korean training. Stephano got so many koreans fans in the short time when he was in Korea.Play XP was goign crazy about him. All the best Koreans have sayd so many times Stephano is easy a code S player but still people cant belive it. No one said they would roll him ezpz, no one is denying that Stephano is Code S caliber. Stop making things up to support your terrible arguments and bias. I don't think stephano is code s quality. I'd need to see him more against koreans. He's a top foreigner no doubt, and probably best foreigner, but I'm not ready to even call him code A quality yet without more evidence of facing quality opponents. It's hard to define what really is code s-caliber. If you mean he's better than some of the bottom code s players, I agree. Sometimes luck does play an important role in qualifying for Code S. However, if by Code S caliber you mean he's tip top in Korea, it's definitely not true. He never actually played in Code S for a season or two so it's really hard to tell if he actually is that good. Stephano got high on the Korean ladder, what was it, like top 15 or so at its peak, before he quickly dropped down as people got used to his style? People use it as evidence, that he is Code S quality.. There are so many Koreans who've been very high on the ladder, who haven't even been able to make Code A so far... Life, who has been #1 numerous times, and was #1 again for quite a while just recently, bombed out in the Code A qualifiers a couple of weeks ago.. There's nothing to support that Stephano is a Code S level player. Top 7. And was 3rd zerg ever who got over 72% win ratio on the korean GM ladder. And he never dropped down he keep going up and up Since when is ladder result a qualification for Code S? Becuase the only other zergs that did that was DRG and Leenock..
Since when is having similar winrates as DRG and leenock on ladder a qualification for Code S?
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Stephano is the best the foreigner scene has produced. His latent talent is immense, but he is a product of our scene - ie he can't beat players playing in a much better meta-game.
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On March 18 2012 08:55 chosenkerrigan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 08:54 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 18 2012 08:44 sitromit wrote:On March 18 2012 08:32 chosenkerrigan wrote:On March 18 2012 08:27 Canucklehead wrote:On March 18 2012 08:25 Phobbers wrote:On March 18 2012 08:24 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 18 2012 08:22 DeepElemBlues wrote:
Koreans: 'we greatly respect stephano'
Most posters the last 2 pages or so: Stephano ain't shit those Koreans would roll him EZ PZ
T.T Its becuase they dont understand how a foreigner player can do this without korean training. Stephano got so many koreans fans in the short time when he was in Korea.Play XP was goign crazy about him. All the best Koreans have sayd so many times Stephano is easy a code S player but still people cant belive it. No one said they would roll him ezpz, no one is denying that Stephano is Code S caliber. Stop making things up to support your terrible arguments and bias. I don't think stephano is code s quality. I'd need to see him more against koreans. He's a top foreigner no doubt, and probably best foreigner, but I'm not ready to even call him code A quality yet without more evidence of facing quality opponents. It's hard to define what really is code s-caliber. If you mean he's better than some of the bottom code s players, I agree. Sometimes luck does play an important role in qualifying for Code S. However, if by Code S caliber you mean he's tip top in Korea, it's definitely not true. He never actually played in Code S for a season or two so it's really hard to tell if he actually is that good. Stephano got high on the Korean ladder, what was it, like top 15 or so at its peak, before he quickly dropped down as people got used to his style? People use it as evidence, that he is Code S quality.. There are so many Koreans who've been very high on the ladder, who haven't even been able to make Code A so far... Life, who has been #1 numerous times, and was #1 again for quite a while just recently, bombed out in the Code A qualifiers a couple of weeks ago.. There's nothing to support that Stephano is a Code S level player. Top 7. And was 3rd zerg ever who got over 72% win ratio on the korean GM ladder. And he never dropped down he keep going up and up Since when is ladder result a qualification for Code S?
it can be a good gauge of skill, people who have done that well on korean gm ladder quickly like that have all been top caliber players. not saying its a straight qualification.. but it certainly isnt a bad thing.
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On March 18 2012 08:56 mememolly wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 18 2012 08:51 Asha` wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 08:49 mememolly wrote:On March 18 2012 08:46 Asha` wrote:On March 18 2012 08:45 Nourek wrote:On March 18 2012 08:43 Asha` wrote:On March 18 2012 08:42 Denzil wrote:On March 18 2012 08:40 MavivaM wrote:
Oh man why do tournaments keep inviting guys like these... a lot of proplayers and they invite ladder warriors.
NesTea MVP MC and 90% of Code S were busy for this event I'd still rather they invited more rising NA prospects than forever average fan favourites though. But I guess it is an easy way to increase your viewer count. I don't think every tournament has to be the best of the best. We already have a lot of these. That's what I'm saying. They invited a couple of lesser known NA based players like Heavens etc, I'd rather see a few more guys like that get a chance than guys you know are likely to exit early but who are just there because they are popular. On March 18 2012 08:46 Denzil wrote:On March 18 2012 08:43 Asha` wrote:On March 18 2012 08:42 Denzil wrote:On March 18 2012 08:40 MavivaM wrote:
Oh man why do tournaments keep inviting guys like these... a lot of proplayers and they invite ladder warriors.
NesTea MVP MC and 90% of Code S were busy for this event I'd still rather they invited more rising NA prospects than forever average fan favourites though. But I guess it is an easy way to increase your viewer count. wat are you suggesting that steven is average? yes? but those unknown na players you are talking about are worse than destiny Really? They perform as well on ladder as he's ever done, a number of them have picked up great wins in clan wars, and most of them are improving and not fairly stagnant. All I'm saying is I'd like to see more people getting a chance at these events and not the same old popular community figures who're never going to do anything get invites over and over. Those unknowns need to prove themselves, there are plenty of other tourneys that have open brackets etc where they can make a name for themselves, sc2 has too many tourneys for players to play the old "I'm discriminated against" card when it comes to their own lack of exposure
But what have these supposed superstars proven until now?
If we group togheter Destiny, Tyler and Incontrol the best placement we get is a 4th place in a tournament devoid of koreans...
I mean they are basically a free win or once in a blue moon a silver bullet against a player who doesn't know them.
I can understand that not every tournament can have MVP, but at least invite someone who can have a slight chance of winning, if not only compete well.
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On March 18 2012 09:00 Denzil wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 08:57 Ryps wrote:On March 18 2012 08:55 chosenkerrigan wrote:On March 18 2012 08:54 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 18 2012 08:44 sitromit wrote:On March 18 2012 08:32 chosenkerrigan wrote:On March 18 2012 08:27 Canucklehead wrote:On March 18 2012 08:25 Phobbers wrote:On March 18 2012 08:24 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 18 2012 08:22 DeepElemBlues wrote:
Koreans: 'we greatly respect stephano'
Most posters the last 2 pages or so: Stephano ain't shit those Koreans would roll him EZ PZ
T.T Its becuase they dont understand how a foreigner player can do this without korean training. Stephano got so many koreans fans in the short time when he was in Korea.Play XP was goign crazy about him. All the best Koreans have sayd so many times Stephano is easy a code S player but still people cant belive it. No one said they would roll him ezpz, no one is denying that Stephano is Code S caliber. Stop making things up to support your terrible arguments and bias. I don't think stephano is code s quality. I'd need to see him more against koreans. He's a top foreigner no doubt, and probably best foreigner, but I'm not ready to even call him code A quality yet without more evidence of facing quality opponents. It's hard to define what really is code s-caliber. If you mean he's better than some of the bottom code s players, I agree. Sometimes luck does play an important role in qualifying for Code S. However, if by Code S caliber you mean he's tip top in Korea, it's definitely not true. He never actually played in Code S for a season or two so it's really hard to tell if he actually is that good. Stephano got high on the Korean ladder, what was it, like top 15 or so at its peak, before he quickly dropped down as people got used to his style? People use it as evidence, that he is Code S quality.. There are so many Koreans who've been very high on the ladder, who haven't even been able to make Code A so far... Life, who has been #1 numerous times, and was #1 again for quite a while just recently, bombed out in the Code A qualifiers a couple of weeks ago.. There's nothing to support that Stephano is a Code S level player. Top 7. And was 3rd zerg ever who got over 72% win ratio on the korean GM ladder. And he never dropped down he keep going up and up Since when is ladder result a qualification for Code S? Stephano beat both MVP and DRG and has 100% win rate againts them. So he is better than 2 GSL champions, cant beat that logic ! incontrol beat sleep who beat polt who beat MMA who beat DRG who beat Nestea therefore incontrol > mma drg nestea & polt
But does incontrol have 70% on the ladder?
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On March 18 2012 08:56 SeaSwift wrote:
Fuck off. If I'm wrong about something, tell me I'm wrong. Don't be a dick about it.
Why talk about things you don't know about or are assuming are true in the first place?
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On March 18 2012 08:57 sitromit wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 08:54 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 18 2012 08:44 sitromit wrote:On March 18 2012 08:32 chosenkerrigan wrote:On March 18 2012 08:27 Canucklehead wrote:On March 18 2012 08:25 Phobbers wrote:On March 18 2012 08:24 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 18 2012 08:22 DeepElemBlues wrote:
Koreans: 'we greatly respect stephano'
Most posters the last 2 pages or so: Stephano ain't shit those Koreans would roll him EZ PZ
T.T Its becuase they dont understand how a foreigner player can do this without korean training. Stephano got so many koreans fans in the short time when he was in Korea.Play XP was goign crazy about him. All the best Koreans have sayd so many times Stephano is easy a code S player but still people cant belive it. No one said they would roll him ezpz, no one is denying that Stephano is Code S caliber. Stop making things up to support your terrible arguments and bias. I don't think stephano is code s quality. I'd need to see him more against koreans. He's a top foreigner no doubt, and probably best foreigner, but I'm not ready to even call him code A quality yet without more evidence of facing quality opponents. It's hard to define what really is code s-caliber. If you mean he's better than some of the bottom code s players, I agree. Sometimes luck does play an important role in qualifying for Code S. However, if by Code S caliber you mean he's tip top in Korea, it's definitely not true. He never actually played in Code S for a season or two so it's really hard to tell if he actually is that good. Stephano got high on the Korean ladder, what was it, like top 15 or so at its peak, before he quickly dropped down as people got used to his style? People use it as evidence, that he is Code S quality.. There are so many Koreans who've been very high on the ladder, who haven't even been able to make Code A so far... Life, who has been #1 numerous times, and was #1 again for quite a while just recently, bombed out in the Code A qualifiers a couple of weeks ago.. There's nothing to support that Stephano is a Code S level player. Top 7. And was 3rd zerg ever who got over 72% win ratio on the korean GM ladder. And he never dropped down he keep going up and up. You just talking crap you dont even know Stephano it seems like No, his position in the ladder was much lower by the time he left, I'm pretty sure. Edit: As I write this, Life is #2 with 70.7% win rate, and he couldn't even make it into Code A this season, and was knocked out in ro48 last season.
did life win ipl 3 and win eswc vrs MKP? or recently 3-0 puma like he was nothing?
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I wanna see some more games!!!
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Can you guys please stop shitting up this thread with Stephano fan vs antifan discussions
take it to pms or something
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On March 18 2012 09:01 MavivaM wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 08:56 mememolly wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 18 2012 08:51 Asha` wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 08:49 mememolly wrote:On March 18 2012 08:46 Asha` wrote:On March 18 2012 08:45 Nourek wrote:On March 18 2012 08:43 Asha` wrote:On March 18 2012 08:42 Denzil wrote:On March 18 2012 08:40 MavivaM wrote:
Oh man why do tournaments keep inviting guys like these... a lot of proplayers and they invite ladder warriors.
NesTea MVP MC and 90% of Code S were busy for this event I'd still rather they invited more rising NA prospects than forever average fan favourites though. But I guess it is an easy way to increase your viewer count. I don't think every tournament has to be the best of the best. We already have a lot of these. That's what I'm saying. They invited a couple of lesser known NA based players like Heavens etc, I'd rather see a few more guys like that get a chance than guys you know are likely to exit early but who are just there because they are popular. On March 18 2012 08:46 Denzil wrote:On March 18 2012 08:43 Asha` wrote:On March 18 2012 08:42 Denzil wrote:On March 18 2012 08:40 MavivaM wrote:
Oh man why do tournaments keep inviting guys like these... a lot of proplayers and they invite ladder warriors.
NesTea MVP MC and 90% of Code S were busy for this event I'd still rather they invited more rising NA prospects than forever average fan favourites though. But I guess it is an easy way to increase your viewer count. wat are you suggesting that steven is average? yes? but those unknown na players you are talking about are worse than destiny Really? They perform as well on ladder as he's ever done, a number of them have picked up great wins in clan wars, and most of them are improving and not fairly stagnant. All I'm saying is I'd like to see more people getting a chance at these events and not the same old popular community figures who're never going to do anything get invites over and over. Those unknowns need to prove themselves, there are plenty of other tourneys that have open brackets etc where they can make a name for themselves, sc2 has too many tourneys for players to play the old "I'm discriminated against" card when it comes to their own lack of exposure But what have these supposed superstars proven until now? If we group togheter Destiny, Tyler and Incontrol the best placement we get is a 4th place in a tournament devoid of koreans... I mean they are basically a free win or once in a blue moon a silver bullet against a player who doesn't know them. I can understand that not every tournament can have MVP, but at least invite someone who can have a slight chance of winning, if not only compete well.
Why are you implying they're a free win?
Destiny played some damn good games and I mean some really really good games against not only Dragon but Demuslim too. Despite what the internet wants to think of him he's not as gimmicky and terrible as he used to be he figures shit out and it's showing yet when he does win it's considered a blue moon, same for Incontrol.
God forbid pros put effort in to win games whereas the called upon "upcomers of the NA scene" to replace these "terrible pros" such as vilestate get crushed without a remotely good fight put up
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On March 18 2012 09:02 Bagi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 08:56 SeaSwift wrote:
Fuck off. If I'm wrong about something, tell me I'm wrong. Don't be a dick about it. Why talk about things you don't know about or are assuming are true in the first place?
As I said: that was what I thought to be true - that Stephano didn't make it into GM.
He did.
I was wrong. Sorry for being wrong, I guess?
I've since had people saying I've been (and I quote verbatim) "spewing lies" and "spreading misinformation", and that I'm a "hater" and "acting like a 12yo".
As I said before: if someone is wrong, tell them they are wrong. That's... it. Why would anyone feel the need to say anything else?
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On March 18 2012 08:41 SeaSwift wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 08:39 StarStruck wrote:
Don't throw around silly numbers. -_-
When I say Stephano is really good. I mean it. It's very hard for me to say that about any player unless they've proven themselves time and time again. If you get a seal of approval from someone such as myself it means you are doing something right. Whatever that means to you. Only my personal opinion but I've been around the block. I'm not sure who this was aimed at, but I agree with you: Stephano is really, really good. It's just that there are some players who are even better.
ikh.
That wasn't the point I was trying to make. I'm not the kind of guy who talks about who is best in times like these. You might hear me talk about top players, but you won't see me talk in absolutes.
Anyway, I give him the nod. If I were still managing and training players I would like a player like him in my stable even after overhearing some of his comments with regards to Korea and thinking he's done there.
As for Greg,
The Koreans respect him for his persistence in training there. He was one of the few who decided to stay there dating back to BW when other guys couldn't handle being away from family and friends or other issues. Greg took a while to finally embrace the regime. It took a lot of hard work before he started to break out and fortunately it transferred directly into his SCII training. Right into his style of play as well at the time anyway.
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It's always the same every week. Stephano wins some more tournament prize money. Then some haters go, I am not actually impressed (because their favourite player is Korean). And repeat.
Meanwhile, Stephano keeps on massing up that prize money and receiving plaudits from notable Korean players like Nestea, MC and Polt! Still Haterz gonna Hate!
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Check your facts before putting them on paper. If it is ok to just put wrong information then these forums would be a mess.
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On March 18 2012 09:01 MavivaM wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 08:56 mememolly wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 18 2012 08:51 Asha` wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 08:49 mememolly wrote:On March 18 2012 08:46 Asha` wrote:On March 18 2012 08:45 Nourek wrote:On March 18 2012 08:43 Asha` wrote:On March 18 2012 08:42 Denzil wrote:On March 18 2012 08:40 MavivaM wrote:
Oh man why do tournaments keep inviting guys like these... a lot of proplayers and they invite ladder warriors.
NesTea MVP MC and 90% of Code S were busy for this event I'd still rather they invited more rising NA prospects than forever average fan favourites though. But I guess it is an easy way to increase your viewer count. I don't think every tournament has to be the best of the best. We already have a lot of these. That's what I'm saying. They invited a couple of lesser known NA based players like Heavens etc, I'd rather see a few more guys like that get a chance than guys you know are likely to exit early but who are just there because they are popular. On March 18 2012 08:46 Denzil wrote:On March 18 2012 08:43 Asha` wrote:On March 18 2012 08:42 Denzil wrote:On March 18 2012 08:40 MavivaM wrote:
Oh man why do tournaments keep inviting guys like these... a lot of proplayers and they invite ladder warriors.
NesTea MVP MC and 90% of Code S were busy for this event I'd still rather they invited more rising NA prospects than forever average fan favourites though. But I guess it is an easy way to increase your viewer count. wat are you suggesting that steven is average? yes? but those unknown na players you are talking about are worse than destiny Really? They perform as well on ladder as he's ever done, a number of them have picked up great wins in clan wars, and most of them are improving and not fairly stagnant. All I'm saying is I'd like to see more people getting a chance at these events and not the same old popular community figures who're never going to do anything get invites over and over. Those unknowns need to prove themselves, there are plenty of other tourneys that have open brackets etc where they can make a name for themselves, sc2 has too many tourneys for players to play the old "I'm discriminated against" card when it comes to their own lack of exposure But what have these supposed superstars proven until now? If we group togheter Destiny, Tyler and Incontrol the best placement we get is a 4th place in a tournament devoid of koreans... I mean they are basically a free win or once in a blue moon a silver bullet against a player who doesn't know them. I can understand that not every tournament can have MVP, but at least invite someone who can have a slight chance of winning, if not only compete well.
so why don't those unknowns make a name for themselves by placing well in tourneys that have open brackets and maybe they can get to where destiny is at until then they haven't proven anything either and have no right to be invited anywhere
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On March 18 2012 09:05 Denzil wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 09:01 MavivaM wrote:On March 18 2012 08:56 mememolly wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 18 2012 08:51 Asha` wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 08:49 mememolly wrote:On March 18 2012 08:46 Asha` wrote:On March 18 2012 08:45 Nourek wrote:On March 18 2012 08:43 Asha` wrote:On March 18 2012 08:42 Denzil wrote:On March 18 2012 08:40 MavivaM wrote:
Oh man why do tournaments keep inviting guys like these... a lot of proplayers and they invite ladder warriors.
NesTea MVP MC and 90% of Code S were busy for this event I'd still rather they invited more rising NA prospects than forever average fan favourites though. But I guess it is an easy way to increase your viewer count. I don't think every tournament has to be the best of the best. We already have a lot of these. That's what I'm saying. They invited a couple of lesser known NA based players like Heavens etc, I'd rather see a few more guys like that get a chance than guys you know are likely to exit early but who are just there because they are popular. On March 18 2012 08:46 Denzil wrote:On March 18 2012 08:43 Asha` wrote:On March 18 2012 08:42 Denzil wrote:On March 18 2012 08:40 MavivaM wrote:
Oh man why do tournaments keep inviting guys like these... a lot of proplayers and they invite ladder warriors.
NesTea MVP MC and 90% of Code S were busy for this event I'd still rather they invited more rising NA prospects than forever average fan favourites though. But I guess it is an easy way to increase your viewer count. wat are you suggesting that steven is average? yes? but those unknown na players you are talking about are worse than destiny Really? They perform as well on ladder as he's ever done, a number of them have picked up great wins in clan wars, and most of them are improving and not fairly stagnant. All I'm saying is I'd like to see more people getting a chance at these events and not the same old popular community figures who're never going to do anything get invites over and over. Those unknowns need to prove themselves, there are plenty of other tourneys that have open brackets etc where they can make a name for themselves, sc2 has too many tourneys for players to play the old "I'm discriminated against" card when it comes to their own lack of exposure But what have these supposed superstars proven until now? If we group togheter Destiny, Tyler and Incontrol the best placement we get is a 4th place in a tournament devoid of koreans... I mean they are basically a free win or once in a blue moon a silver bullet against a player who doesn't know them. I can understand that not every tournament can have MVP, but at least invite someone who can have a slight chance of winning, if not only compete well. Why are you implying they're a free win? Destiny played some damn good games and I mean some really really good games against not only Dragon but Demuslim too. Despite what the internet wants to think of him he's not as gimmicky and terrible as he used to be he figures shit out and it's showing yet when he does win it's considered a blue moon, same for Incontrol. God forbid pros put effort in to win games whereas the called upon "upcomers of the NA scene" to replace these "terrible pros" such as vilestate get crushed without a remotely good fight put up
To be fair, State played Polt, and few people can put up a fight against him.
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On March 18 2012 09:02 mememolly wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 08:57 sitromit wrote:On March 18 2012 08:54 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 18 2012 08:44 sitromit wrote:On March 18 2012 08:32 chosenkerrigan wrote:On March 18 2012 08:27 Canucklehead wrote:On March 18 2012 08:25 Phobbers wrote:On March 18 2012 08:24 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 18 2012 08:22 DeepElemBlues wrote:
Koreans: 'we greatly respect stephano'
Most posters the last 2 pages or so: Stephano ain't shit those Koreans would roll him EZ PZ
T.T Its becuase they dont understand how a foreigner player can do this without korean training. Stephano got so many koreans fans in the short time when he was in Korea.Play XP was goign crazy about him. All the best Koreans have sayd so many times Stephano is easy a code S player but still people cant belive it. No one said they would roll him ezpz, no one is denying that Stephano is Code S caliber. Stop making things up to support your terrible arguments and bias. I don't think stephano is code s quality. I'd need to see him more against koreans. He's a top foreigner no doubt, and probably best foreigner, but I'm not ready to even call him code A quality yet without more evidence of facing quality opponents. It's hard to define what really is code s-caliber. If you mean he's better than some of the bottom code s players, I agree. Sometimes luck does play an important role in qualifying for Code S. However, if by Code S caliber you mean he's tip top in Korea, it's definitely not true. He never actually played in Code S for a season or two so it's really hard to tell if he actually is that good. Stephano got high on the Korean ladder, what was it, like top 15 or so at its peak, before he quickly dropped down as people got used to his style? People use it as evidence, that he is Code S quality.. There are so many Koreans who've been very high on the ladder, who haven't even been able to make Code A so far... Life, who has been #1 numerous times, and was #1 again for quite a while just recently, bombed out in the Code A qualifiers a couple of weeks ago.. There's nothing to support that Stephano is a Code S level player. Top 7. And was 3rd zerg ever who got over 72% win ratio on the korean GM ladder. And he never dropped down he keep going up and up. You just talking crap you dont even know Stephano it seems like No, his position in the ladder was much lower by the time he left, I'm pretty sure. Edit: As I write this, Life is #2 with 70.7% win rate, and he couldn't even make it into Code A this season, and was knocked out in ro48 last season. did life win ipl 3 and win eswc vrs MKP? or recently 3-0 puma like he was nothing?
He beat Bomber and Keen and won the Iron Squid qualifier and won a Korean Weekly beating Jjakji in the final. But you seem to miss my point. Position on the Korean ladder is no proof of a player being Code S level. If we're going to declare every player who has won games against Puma or MKP to be Code S level, the entire Korean progamer scene must be in Code S.
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On March 18 2012 09:05 SeaSwift wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 09:02 Bagi wrote:On March 18 2012 08:56 SeaSwift wrote:
Fuck off. If I'm wrong about something, tell me I'm wrong. Don't be a dick about it. Why talk about things you don't know about or are assuming are true in the first place? As I said: that was what I thought to be true - that Stephano didn't make it into GM. He did. I was wrong. Sorry for being wrong, I guess? I've since had people saying I've been (and I quote verbatim) "spewing lies" and "spreading misinformation", and that I'm a "hater" and "acting like a 12yo". As I said before: if someone is wrong, tell them they are wrong. That's... it. Why would anyone feel the need to say anything else?
Ever been on the internet before? If people aren't 14 year olds they will frequently act like one. Maybe in 5-10 years this will change...
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