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On March 18 2012 08:54 Benjamin80 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 08:44 sitromit wrote:On March 18 2012 08:32 chosenkerrigan wrote:On March 18 2012 08:27 Canucklehead wrote:On March 18 2012 08:25 Phobbers wrote:On March 18 2012 08:24 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 18 2012 08:22 DeepElemBlues wrote:
Koreans: 'we greatly respect stephano'
Most posters the last 2 pages or so: Stephano ain't shit those Koreans would roll him EZ PZ
T.T Its becuase they dont understand how a foreigner player can do this without korean training. Stephano got so many koreans fans in the short time when he was in Korea.Play XP was goign crazy about him. All the best Koreans have sayd so many times Stephano is easy a code S player but still people cant belive it. No one said they would roll him ezpz, no one is denying that Stephano is Code S caliber. Stop making things up to support your terrible arguments and bias. I don't think stephano is code s quality. I'd need to see him more against koreans. He's a top foreigner no doubt, and probably best foreigner, but I'm not ready to even call him code A quality yet without more evidence of facing quality opponents. It's hard to define what really is code s-caliber. If you mean he's better than some of the bottom code s players, I agree. Sometimes luck does play an important role in qualifying for Code S. However, if by Code S caliber you mean he's tip top in Korea, it's definitely not true. He never actually played in Code S for a season or two so it's really hard to tell if he actually is that good. Stephano got high on the Korean ladder, what was it, like top 15 or so at its peak, before he quickly dropped down as people got used to his style? People use it as evidence, that he is Code S quality.. There are so many Koreans who've been very high on the ladder, who haven't even been able to make Code A so far... Life, who has been #1 numerous times, and was #1 again for quite a while just recently, bombed out in the Code A qualifiers a couple of weeks ago.. There's nothing to support that Stephano is a Code S level player. Top 7. And was 3rd zerg ever who got over 72% win ratio on the korean GM ladder. And he never dropped down he keep going up and up
Since when is ladder result a qualification for Code S?
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Canada13422 Posts
On March 18 2012 08:54 Perseverance wrote:
CSL starts, views drop by over 10k
To be fair, naniwa is playing ret at red bull lan atm so i want to see that game rather than a TvT. I would watch CSL and have but when naniwa ret is an option, i gotta take it.
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I may be saying this due to drunkness, but those are some sexy cowboys.
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On March 18 2012 08:53 Vadrigar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 08:48 SeaSwift wrote:On March 18 2012 08:44 sitromit wrote:On March 18 2012 08:32 chosenkerrigan wrote:On March 18 2012 08:27 Canucklehead wrote:On March 18 2012 08:25 Phobbers wrote:On March 18 2012 08:24 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 18 2012 08:22 DeepElemBlues wrote:
Koreans: 'we greatly respect stephano'
Most posters the last 2 pages or so: Stephano ain't shit those Koreans would roll him EZ PZ
T.T Its becuase they dont understand how a foreigner player can do this without korean training. Stephano got so many koreans fans in the short time when he was in Korea.Play XP was goign crazy about him. All the best Koreans have sayd so many times Stephano is easy a code S player but still people cant belive it. No one said they would roll him ezpz, no one is denying that Stephano is Code S caliber. Stop making things up to support your terrible arguments and bias. I don't think stephano is code s quality. I'd need to see him more against koreans. He's a top foreigner no doubt, and probably best foreigner, but I'm not ready to even call him code A quality yet without more evidence of facing quality opponents. It's hard to define what really is code s-caliber. If you mean he's better than some of the bottom code s players, I agree. Sometimes luck does play an important role in qualifying for Code S. However, if by Code S caliber you mean he's tip top in Korea, it's definitely not true. He never actually played in Code S for a season or two so it's really hard to tell if he actually is that good. Stephano got high on the Korean ladder, what was it, like top 15 or so at its peak, before he quickly dropped down as people got used to his style? People use it as evidence, that he is Code S quality.. There are so many Koreans who've been very high on the ladder, who haven't even been able to make Code A so far... Life, who has been #1 numerous times, and was #1 again for quite a while just recently, bombed out in the Code A qualifiers a couple of weeks ago.. There's nothing to support that Stephano is a Code S level player. The bolded part is pure conjecture/imagination, invented as an explanation for why his winrate went down from ~70% to ~60%. He also never made "Top 15 on ladder" - I don't think he ever made it into GM. Realistically, his winrate dropped mostly because he started facing decent players rather than lower Masters/Diamonds. His style is really only "blind counter"-able in TvZ. In ZvZ... well, it's ZvZ. In PvZ, his style is fairly standard, just with slightly more Roaches and a big Infestor/BL switch later on, which maybe has a timing window when Hive is morphing. Yeah yeah, he barely it made into Gold... every time Stephano plays the haters come out in droves... It's my fault actually for reading this thread...
Yeah, I'm such a hater.
On March 18 2012 08:41 SeaSwift wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 08:39 StarStruck wrote:
Don't throw around silly numbers. -_-
When I say Stephano is really good. I mean it. It's very hard for me to say that about any player unless they've proven themselves time and time again. If you get a seal of approval from someone such as myself it means you are doing something right. Whatever that means to you. Only my personal opinion but I've been around the block. I'm not sure who this was aimed at, but I agree with you: Stephano is really, really good. It's just that there are some players who are even better.
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On March 18 2012 08:52 Doublemint wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 08:48 SeaSwift wrote:On March 18 2012 08:44 sitromit wrote:On March 18 2012 08:32 chosenkerrigan wrote:On March 18 2012 08:27 Canucklehead wrote:On March 18 2012 08:25 Phobbers wrote:On March 18 2012 08:24 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 18 2012 08:22 DeepElemBlues wrote:
Koreans: 'we greatly respect stephano'
Most posters the last 2 pages or so: Stephano ain't shit those Koreans would roll him EZ PZ
T.T Its becuase they dont understand how a foreigner player can do this without korean training. Stephano got so many koreans fans in the short time when he was in Korea.Play XP was goign crazy about him. All the best Koreans have sayd so many times Stephano is easy a code S player but still people cant belive it. No one said they would roll him ezpz, no one is denying that Stephano is Code S caliber. Stop making things up to support your terrible arguments and bias. I don't think stephano is code s quality. I'd need to see him more against koreans. He's a top foreigner no doubt, and probably best foreigner, but I'm not ready to even call him code A quality yet without more evidence of facing quality opponents. It's hard to define what really is code s-caliber. If you mean he's better than some of the bottom code s players, I agree. Sometimes luck does play an important role in qualifying for Code S. However, if by Code S caliber you mean he's tip top in Korea, it's definitely not true. He never actually played in Code S for a season or two so it's really hard to tell if he actually is that good. Stephano got high on the Korean ladder, what was it, like top 15 or so at its peak, before he quickly dropped down as people got used to his style? People use it as evidence, that he is Code S quality.. There are so many Koreans who've been very high on the ladder, who haven't even been able to make Code A so far... Life, who has been #1 numerous times, and was #1 again for quite a while just recently, bombed out in the Code A qualifiers a couple of weeks ago.. There's nothing to support that Stephano is a Code S level player. The bolded part is pure conjecture/imagination, invented as an explanation for why his winrate went down from ~70% to ~60%. He also never made "Top 15 on ladder" - I don't think he ever made it into GM. Realistically, his winrate dropped mostly because he started facing decent players rather than lower Masters/Diamonds. His style is really only "blind counter"-able in TvZ. In ZvZ... well, it's ZvZ. In PvZ, his style is fairly standard, just with slightly more Roaches and a big Infestor/BL switch later on, which maybe has a timing window when Hive is morphing. Am I missing the punchline or are you just spewing lies deliberately?
Fuck off. If I'm wrong about something, tell me I'm wrong. Don't be a dick about it.
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On March 18 2012 08:51 Asha` wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 08:49 mememolly wrote:On March 18 2012 08:46 Asha` wrote:On March 18 2012 08:45 Nourek wrote:On March 18 2012 08:43 Asha` wrote:On March 18 2012 08:42 Denzil wrote:On March 18 2012 08:40 MavivaM wrote:
Oh man why do tournaments keep inviting guys like these... a lot of proplayers and they invite ladder warriors.
NesTea MVP MC and 90% of Code S were busy for this event I'd still rather they invited more rising NA prospects than forever average fan favourites though. But I guess it is an easy way to increase your viewer count. I don't think every tournament has to be the best of the best. We already have a lot of these. That's what I'm saying. They invited a couple of lesser known NA based players like Heavens etc, I'd rather see a few more guys like that get a chance than guys you know are likely to exit early but who are just there because they are popular. On March 18 2012 08:46 Denzil wrote:On March 18 2012 08:43 Asha` wrote:On March 18 2012 08:42 Denzil wrote:On March 18 2012 08:40 MavivaM wrote:
Oh man why do tournaments keep inviting guys like these... a lot of proplayers and they invite ladder warriors.
NesTea MVP MC and 90% of Code S were busy for this event I'd still rather they invited more rising NA prospects than forever average fan favourites though. But I guess it is an easy way to increase your viewer count. wat are you suggesting that steven is average? yes? but those unknown na players you are talking about are worse than destiny Really? They perform as well on ladder as he's ever done, a number of them have picked up great wins in clan wars, and most of them are improving and not fairly stagnant. All I'm saying is I'd like to see more people getting a chance at these events and not the same old popular community figures who're never going to do anything get invites over and over.
Those unknowns need to prove themselves, there are plenty of other tourneys that have open brackets etc where they can make a name for themselves, sc2 has too many tourneys for players to play the old "I'm discriminated against" card when it comes to their own lack of exposure
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On March 18 2012 08:55 chosenkerrigan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 08:54 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 18 2012 08:44 sitromit wrote:On March 18 2012 08:32 chosenkerrigan wrote:On March 18 2012 08:27 Canucklehead wrote:On March 18 2012 08:25 Phobbers wrote:On March 18 2012 08:24 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 18 2012 08:22 DeepElemBlues wrote:
Koreans: 'we greatly respect stephano'
Most posters the last 2 pages or so: Stephano ain't shit those Koreans would roll him EZ PZ
T.T Its becuase they dont understand how a foreigner player can do this without korean training. Stephano got so many koreans fans in the short time when he was in Korea.Play XP was goign crazy about him. All the best Koreans have sayd so many times Stephano is easy a code S player but still people cant belive it. No one said they would roll him ezpz, no one is denying that Stephano is Code S caliber. Stop making things up to support your terrible arguments and bias. I don't think stephano is code s quality. I'd need to see him more against koreans. He's a top foreigner no doubt, and probably best foreigner, but I'm not ready to even call him code A quality yet without more evidence of facing quality opponents. It's hard to define what really is code s-caliber. If you mean he's better than some of the bottom code s players, I agree. Sometimes luck does play an important role in qualifying for Code S. However, if by Code S caliber you mean he's tip top in Korea, it's definitely not true. He never actually played in Code S for a season or two so it's really hard to tell if he actually is that good. Stephano got high on the Korean ladder, what was it, like top 15 or so at its peak, before he quickly dropped down as people got used to his style? People use it as evidence, that he is Code S quality.. There are so many Koreans who've been very high on the ladder, who haven't even been able to make Code A so far... Life, who has been #1 numerous times, and was #1 again for quite a while just recently, bombed out in the Code A qualifiers a couple of weeks ago.. There's nothing to support that Stephano is a Code S level player. Top 7. And was 3rd zerg ever who got over 72% win ratio on the korean GM ladder. And he never dropped down he keep going up and up Since when is ladder result a qualification for Code S?
Becuase the only other zergs that did that was DRG and Leenock..
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On March 18 2012 08:53 mememolly wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 08:50 emraaa wrote:On March 18 2012 08:44 sitromit wrote:On March 18 2012 08:32 chosenkerrigan wrote:On March 18 2012 08:27 Canucklehead wrote:On March 18 2012 08:25 Phobbers wrote:On March 18 2012 08:24 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 18 2012 08:22 DeepElemBlues wrote:
Koreans: 'we greatly respect stephano'
Most posters the last 2 pages or so: Stephano ain't shit those Koreans would roll him EZ PZ
T.T Its becuase they dont understand how a foreigner player can do this without korean training. Stephano got so many koreans fans in the short time when he was in Korea.Play XP was goign crazy about him. All the best Koreans have sayd so many times Stephano is easy a code S player but still people cant belive it. No one said they would roll him ezpz, no one is denying that Stephano is Code S caliber. Stop making things up to support your terrible arguments and bias. I don't think stephano is code s quality. I'd need to see him more against koreans. He's a top foreigner no doubt, and probably best foreigner, but I'm not ready to even call him code A quality yet without more evidence of facing quality opponents. It's hard to define what really is code s-caliber. If you mean he's better than some of the bottom code s players, I agree. Sometimes luck does play an important role in qualifying for Code S. However, if by Code S caliber you mean he's tip top in Korea, it's definitely not true. He never actually played in Code S for a season or two so it's really hard to tell if he actually is that good. Stephano got high on the Korean ladder, what was it, like top 15 or so at its peak, before he quickly dropped down as people got used to his style? People use it as evidence, that he is Code S quality.. There are so many Koreans who've been very high on the ladder, who haven't even been able to make Code A so far... Life, who has been #1 numerous times, and was #1 again for quite a while just recently, bombed out in the Code A qualifiers a couple of weeks ago.. There's nothing to support that Stephano is a Code S level player. theres nothing to support that stephano isnt code s level all those foreign tourney wins, 70% ratio on korean ladder GM, polt nestea etc all saying he's the best foreigner, a genius etc, raw talent, there is literally nothing i can think of that supports his code S ability, nothing
I would say he is at least Code A level though. I think everyone would agree with that.
I heard hwanni? i think talking on the IM stream about how good Stephano is. so give that some thought.
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Why not play these games after the Lone Star Clash? They just lost 10k viewers before broadcasting their winnersbracket semifinals.
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Northern Ireland27394 Posts
Sigh, Stephano pissing contests are now as obnoxious as the marmite-inducing effect Idra has on poster output.
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On March 18 2012 08:55 chosenkerrigan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 08:54 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 18 2012 08:44 sitromit wrote:On March 18 2012 08:32 chosenkerrigan wrote:On March 18 2012 08:27 Canucklehead wrote:On March 18 2012 08:25 Phobbers wrote:On March 18 2012 08:24 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 18 2012 08:22 DeepElemBlues wrote:
Koreans: 'we greatly respect stephano'
Most posters the last 2 pages or so: Stephano ain't shit those Koreans would roll him EZ PZ
T.T Its becuase they dont understand how a foreigner player can do this without korean training. Stephano got so many koreans fans in the short time when he was in Korea.Play XP was goign crazy about him. All the best Koreans have sayd so many times Stephano is easy a code S player but still people cant belive it. No one said they would roll him ezpz, no one is denying that Stephano is Code S caliber. Stop making things up to support your terrible arguments and bias. I don't think stephano is code s quality. I'd need to see him more against koreans. He's a top foreigner no doubt, and probably best foreigner, but I'm not ready to even call him code A quality yet without more evidence of facing quality opponents. It's hard to define what really is code s-caliber. If you mean he's better than some of the bottom code s players, I agree. Sometimes luck does play an important role in qualifying for Code S. However, if by Code S caliber you mean he's tip top in Korea, it's definitely not true. He never actually played in Code S for a season or two so it's really hard to tell if he actually is that good. Stephano got high on the Korean ladder, what was it, like top 15 or so at its peak, before he quickly dropped down as people got used to his style? People use it as evidence, that he is Code S quality.. There are so many Koreans who've been very high on the ladder, who haven't even been able to make Code A so far... Life, who has been #1 numerous times, and was #1 again for quite a while just recently, bombed out in the Code A qualifiers a couple of weeks ago.. There's nothing to support that Stephano is a Code S level player. Top 7. And was 3rd zerg ever who got over 72% win ratio on the korean GM ladder. And he never dropped down he keep going up and up Since when is ladder result a qualification for Code S?
Stephano beat both MVP and DRG and has 100% win rate againts them. So he is better than 2 GSL champions, cant beat that logic !
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On March 18 2012 08:54 Benjamin80 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 08:44 sitromit wrote:On March 18 2012 08:32 chosenkerrigan wrote:On March 18 2012 08:27 Canucklehead wrote:On March 18 2012 08:25 Phobbers wrote:On March 18 2012 08:24 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 18 2012 08:22 DeepElemBlues wrote:
Koreans: 'we greatly respect stephano'
Most posters the last 2 pages or so: Stephano ain't shit those Koreans would roll him EZ PZ
T.T Its becuase they dont understand how a foreigner player can do this without korean training. Stephano got so many koreans fans in the short time when he was in Korea.Play XP was goign crazy about him. All the best Koreans have sayd so many times Stephano is easy a code S player but still people cant belive it. No one said they would roll him ezpz, no one is denying that Stephano is Code S caliber. Stop making things up to support your terrible arguments and bias. I don't think stephano is code s quality. I'd need to see him more against koreans. He's a top foreigner no doubt, and probably best foreigner, but I'm not ready to even call him code A quality yet without more evidence of facing quality opponents. It's hard to define what really is code s-caliber. If you mean he's better than some of the bottom code s players, I agree. Sometimes luck does play an important role in qualifying for Code S. However, if by Code S caliber you mean he's tip top in Korea, it's definitely not true. He never actually played in Code S for a season or two so it's really hard to tell if he actually is that good. Stephano got high on the Korean ladder, what was it, like top 15 or so at its peak, before he quickly dropped down as people got used to his style? People use it as evidence, that he is Code S quality.. There are so many Koreans who've been very high on the ladder, who haven't even been able to make Code A so far... Life, who has been #1 numerous times, and was #1 again for quite a while just recently, bombed out in the Code A qualifiers a couple of weeks ago.. There's nothing to support that Stephano is a Code S level player. Top 7. And was 3rd zerg ever who got over 72% win ratio on the korean GM ladder. And he never dropped down he keep going up and up. You just talking crap you dont even know Stephano it seems like
No, his position in the ladder was much lower by the time he left, I'm pretty sure.
Edit: As I write this, Life is #2 with 70.7% win rate, and he couldn't even make it into Code A this season, and was knocked out in ro48 last season.
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On March 18 2012 08:48 SeaSwift wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 08:44 sitromit wrote:On March 18 2012 08:32 chosenkerrigan wrote:On March 18 2012 08:27 Canucklehead wrote:On March 18 2012 08:25 Phobbers wrote:On March 18 2012 08:24 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 18 2012 08:22 DeepElemBlues wrote:
Koreans: 'we greatly respect stephano'
Most posters the last 2 pages or so: Stephano ain't shit those Koreans would roll him EZ PZ
T.T Its becuase they dont understand how a foreigner player can do this without korean training. Stephano got so many koreans fans in the short time when he was in Korea.Play XP was goign crazy about him. All the best Koreans have sayd so many times Stephano is easy a code S player but still people cant belive it. No one said they would roll him ezpz, no one is denying that Stephano is Code S caliber. Stop making things up to support your terrible arguments and bias. I don't think stephano is code s quality. I'd need to see him more against koreans. He's a top foreigner no doubt, and probably best foreigner, but I'm not ready to even call him code A quality yet without more evidence of facing quality opponents. It's hard to define what really is code s-caliber. If you mean he's better than some of the bottom code s players, I agree. Sometimes luck does play an important role in qualifying for Code S. However, if by Code S caliber you mean he's tip top in Korea, it's definitely not true. He never actually played in Code S for a season or two so it's really hard to tell if he actually is that good. Stephano got high on the Korean ladder, what was it, like top 15 or so at its peak, before he quickly dropped down as people got used to his style? People use it as evidence, that he is Code S quality.. There are so many Koreans who've been very high on the ladder, who haven't even been able to make Code A so far... Life, who has been #1 numerous times, and was #1 again for quite a while just recently, bombed out in the Code A qualifiers a couple of weeks ago.. There's nothing to support that Stephano is a Code S level player. The bolded part is pure conjecture/imagination, invented as an explanation for why his winrate went down from ~70% to ~60%. He also never made "Top 15 on ladder" - I don't think he ever made it into GM. Realistically, his winrate dropped mostly because he started facing decent players rather than lower Masters/Diamonds. His style is really only "blind counter"-able in TvZ. In ZvZ... well, it's ZvZ. In PvZ, his style is fairly standard, just with slightly more Roaches and a big Infestor/BL switch later on, which maybe has a timing window when Hive is morphing.
Oh my, you're so wrong....How can you say such things when you obviously don't follow the sc2 scene?
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On March 18 2012 08:57 Champloo wrote:
Why not play these games after the Lone Star Clash? They just lost 10k viewers before broadcasting their winnersbracket semifinals.
they'll come back ezpz
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SeaSwift you're spreading false informations and lies and then when people put your nose in your own shit you start acting like a 12yo... You're funny.
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On March 18 2012 08:55 sitromit wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 08:48 SeaSwift wrote:On March 18 2012 08:44 sitromit wrote:On March 18 2012 08:32 chosenkerrigan wrote:On March 18 2012 08:27 Canucklehead wrote:On March 18 2012 08:25 Phobbers wrote:On March 18 2012 08:24 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 18 2012 08:22 DeepElemBlues wrote:
Koreans: 'we greatly respect stephano'
Most posters the last 2 pages or so: Stephano ain't shit those Koreans would roll him EZ PZ
T.T Its becuase they dont understand how a foreigner player can do this without korean training. Stephano got so many koreans fans in the short time when he was in Korea.Play XP was goign crazy about him. All the best Koreans have sayd so many times Stephano is easy a code S player but still people cant belive it. No one said they would roll him ezpz, no one is denying that Stephano is Code S caliber. Stop making things up to support your terrible arguments and bias. I don't think stephano is code s quality. I'd need to see him more against koreans. He's a top foreigner no doubt, and probably best foreigner, but I'm not ready to even call him code A quality yet without more evidence of facing quality opponents. It's hard to define what really is code s-caliber. If you mean he's better than some of the bottom code s players, I agree. Sometimes luck does play an important role in qualifying for Code S. However, if by Code S caliber you mean he's tip top in Korea, it's definitely not true. He never actually played in Code S for a season or two so it's really hard to tell if he actually is that good. Stephano got high on the Korean ladder, what was it, like top 15 or so at its peak, before he quickly dropped down as people got used to his style? People use it as evidence, that he is Code S quality.. There are so many Koreans who've been very high on the ladder, who haven't even been able to make Code A so far... Life, who has been #1 numerous times, and was #1 again for quite a while just recently, bombed out in the Code A qualifiers a couple of weeks ago.. There's nothing to support that Stephano is a Code S level player. The bolded part is pure conjecture/imagination, invented as an explanation for why his winrate went down from ~70% to ~60%. He also never made "Top 15 on ladder" - I don't think he ever made it into GM. Realistically, his winrate dropped mostly because he started facing decent players rather than lower Masters/Diamonds. His style is really only "blind counter"-able in TvZ. In ZvZ... well, it's ZvZ. In PvZ, his style is fairly standard, just with slightly more Roaches and a big Infestor/BL switch later on, which maybe has a timing window when Hive is morphing. No, the account he was playing on was in GM, he did make top 15 or so at some point in Korean GM, but dropped down quite a bit after that. Of course everyone will have their own subjective opinion on why he dropped. I offered one possibility. In the end, what's more important is that there are a ton of players on Korea, who've struggled making it out of Code B, who have done better than Stephano on ladder.
that fast, really ? I don't think so. again its how quickly he managed to be in the top 10 of the ladder with a pretty good ratio in knowing nothing of the korean scene, not following the GSL which is amazing. the rest is pure speculation that nobody will be albe to ever answer.
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On March 18 2012 08:56 SeaSwift wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 08:53 Vadrigar wrote:On March 18 2012 08:48 SeaSwift wrote:On March 18 2012 08:44 sitromit wrote:On March 18 2012 08:32 chosenkerrigan wrote:On March 18 2012 08:27 Canucklehead wrote:On March 18 2012 08:25 Phobbers wrote:On March 18 2012 08:24 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 18 2012 08:22 DeepElemBlues wrote:
Koreans: 'we greatly respect stephano'
Most posters the last 2 pages or so: Stephano ain't shit those Koreans would roll him EZ PZ
T.T Its becuase they dont understand how a foreigner player can do this without korean training. Stephano got so many koreans fans in the short time when he was in Korea.Play XP was goign crazy about him. All the best Koreans have sayd so many times Stephano is easy a code S player but still people cant belive it. No one said they would roll him ezpz, no one is denying that Stephano is Code S caliber. Stop making things up to support your terrible arguments and bias. I don't think stephano is code s quality. I'd need to see him more against koreans. He's a top foreigner no doubt, and probably best foreigner, but I'm not ready to even call him code A quality yet without more evidence of facing quality opponents. It's hard to define what really is code s-caliber. If you mean he's better than some of the bottom code s players, I agree. Sometimes luck does play an important role in qualifying for Code S. However, if by Code S caliber you mean he's tip top in Korea, it's definitely not true. He never actually played in Code S for a season or two so it's really hard to tell if he actually is that good. Stephano got high on the Korean ladder, what was it, like top 15 or so at its peak, before he quickly dropped down as people got used to his style? People use it as evidence, that he is Code S quality.. There are so many Koreans who've been very high on the ladder, who haven't even been able to make Code A so far... Life, who has been #1 numerous times, and was #1 again for quite a while just recently, bombed out in the Code A qualifiers a couple of weeks ago.. There's nothing to support that Stephano is a Code S level player. The bolded part is pure conjecture/imagination, invented as an explanation for why his winrate went down from ~70% to ~60%. He also never made "Top 15 on ladder" - I don't think he ever made it into GM. Realistically, his winrate dropped mostly because he started facing decent players rather than lower Masters/Diamonds. His style is really only "blind counter"-able in TvZ. In ZvZ... well, it's ZvZ. In PvZ, his style is fairly standard, just with slightly more Roaches and a big Infestor/BL switch later on, which maybe has a timing window when Hive is morphing. Yeah yeah, he barely it made into Gold... every time Stephano plays the haters come out in droves... It's my fault actually for reading this thread... Yeah, I'm such a hater. Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 08:41 SeaSwift wrote:On March 18 2012 08:39 StarStruck wrote:
Don't throw around silly numbers. -_-
When I say Stephano is really good. I mean it. It's very hard for me to say that about any player unless they've proven themselves time and time again. If you get a seal of approval from someone such as myself it means you are doing something right. Whatever that means to you. Only my personal opinion but I've been around the block. I'm not sure who this was aimed at, but I agree with you: Stephano is really, really good. It's just that there are some players who are even better. Also: Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 08:52 Doublemint wrote:On March 18 2012 08:48 SeaSwift wrote:On March 18 2012 08:44 sitromit wrote:On March 18 2012 08:32 chosenkerrigan wrote:On March 18 2012 08:27 Canucklehead wrote:On March 18 2012 08:25 Phobbers wrote:On March 18 2012 08:24 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 18 2012 08:22 DeepElemBlues wrote:
Koreans: 'we greatly respect stephano'
Most posters the last 2 pages or so: Stephano ain't shit those Koreans would roll him EZ PZ
T.T Its becuase they dont understand how a foreigner player can do this without korean training. Stephano got so many koreans fans in the short time when he was in Korea.Play XP was goign crazy about him. All the best Koreans have sayd so many times Stephano is easy a code S player but still people cant belive it. No one said they would roll him ezpz, no one is denying that Stephano is Code S caliber. Stop making things up to support your terrible arguments and bias. I don't think stephano is code s quality. I'd need to see him more against koreans. He's a top foreigner no doubt, and probably best foreigner, but I'm not ready to even call him code A quality yet without more evidence of facing quality opponents. It's hard to define what really is code s-caliber. If you mean he's better than some of the bottom code s players, I agree. Sometimes luck does play an important role in qualifying for Code S. However, if by Code S caliber you mean he's tip top in Korea, it's definitely not true. He never actually played in Code S for a season or two so it's really hard to tell if he actually is that good. Stephano got high on the Korean ladder, what was it, like top 15 or so at its peak, before he quickly dropped down as people got used to his style? People use it as evidence, that he is Code S quality.. There are so many Koreans who've been very high on the ladder, who haven't even been able to make Code A so far... Life, who has been #1 numerous times, and was #1 again for quite a while just recently, bombed out in the Code A qualifiers a couple of weeks ago.. There's nothing to support that Stephano is a Code S level player. The bolded part is pure conjecture/imagination, invented as an explanation for why his winrate went down from ~70% to ~60%. He also never made "Top 15 on ladder" - I don't think he ever made it into GM. Realistically, his winrate dropped mostly because he started facing decent players rather than lower Masters/Diamonds. His style is really only "blind counter"-able in TvZ. In ZvZ... well, it's ZvZ. In PvZ, his style is fairly standard, just with slightly more Roaches and a big Infestor/BL switch later on, which maybe has a timing window when Hive is morphing. Am I missing the punchline or are you just spewing lies deliberately? Fuck off. If I'm wrong about something, tell me I'm wrong. Don't be a dick about it.
Classy lad, really classy 
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No problem for Houston. 
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On March 18 2012 08:57 Ryps wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 08:55 chosenkerrigan wrote:On March 18 2012 08:54 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 18 2012 08:44 sitromit wrote:On March 18 2012 08:32 chosenkerrigan wrote:On March 18 2012 08:27 Canucklehead wrote:On March 18 2012 08:25 Phobbers wrote:On March 18 2012 08:24 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 18 2012 08:22 DeepElemBlues wrote:
Koreans: 'we greatly respect stephano'
Most posters the last 2 pages or so: Stephano ain't shit those Koreans would roll him EZ PZ
T.T Its becuase they dont understand how a foreigner player can do this without korean training. Stephano got so many koreans fans in the short time when he was in Korea.Play XP was goign crazy about him. All the best Koreans have sayd so many times Stephano is easy a code S player but still people cant belive it. No one said they would roll him ezpz, no one is denying that Stephano is Code S caliber. Stop making things up to support your terrible arguments and bias. I don't think stephano is code s quality. I'd need to see him more against koreans. He's a top foreigner no doubt, and probably best foreigner, but I'm not ready to even call him code A quality yet without more evidence of facing quality opponents. It's hard to define what really is code s-caliber. If you mean he's better than some of the bottom code s players, I agree. Sometimes luck does play an important role in qualifying for Code S. However, if by Code S caliber you mean he's tip top in Korea, it's definitely not true. He never actually played in Code S for a season or two so it's really hard to tell if he actually is that good. Stephano got high on the Korean ladder, what was it, like top 15 or so at its peak, before he quickly dropped down as people got used to his style? People use it as evidence, that he is Code S quality.. There are so many Koreans who've been very high on the ladder, who haven't even been able to make Code A so far... Life, who has been #1 numerous times, and was #1 again for quite a while just recently, bombed out in the Code A qualifiers a couple of weeks ago.. There's nothing to support that Stephano is a Code S level player. Top 7. And was 3rd zerg ever who got over 72% win ratio on the korean GM ladder. And he never dropped down he keep going up and up Since when is ladder result a qualification for Code S? Stephano beat both MVP and DRG and has 100% win rate againts them. So he is better than 2 GSL champions, cant beat that logic !
He got actually rolled pretty hard by mvp who took a risk and blind countered his lings only opening with mass hellions 
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why do people feel the need to shit all over stephano or any foreigner who is doing well, so many failed progamers in here who are bitter as fuck about not making it that they feel the need to shit on some french kid who owns it up
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On March 18 2012 08:57 Ryps wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 08:55 chosenkerrigan wrote:On March 18 2012 08:54 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 18 2012 08:44 sitromit wrote:On March 18 2012 08:32 chosenkerrigan wrote:On March 18 2012 08:27 Canucklehead wrote:On March 18 2012 08:25 Phobbers wrote:On March 18 2012 08:24 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 18 2012 08:22 DeepElemBlues wrote:
Koreans: 'we greatly respect stephano'
Most posters the last 2 pages or so: Stephano ain't shit those Koreans would roll him EZ PZ
T.T Its becuase they dont understand how a foreigner player can do this without korean training. Stephano got so many koreans fans in the short time when he was in Korea.Play XP was goign crazy about him. All the best Koreans have sayd so many times Stephano is easy a code S player but still people cant belive it. No one said they would roll him ezpz, no one is denying that Stephano is Code S caliber. Stop making things up to support your terrible arguments and bias. I don't think stephano is code s quality. I'd need to see him more against koreans. He's a top foreigner no doubt, and probably best foreigner, but I'm not ready to even call him code A quality yet without more evidence of facing quality opponents. It's hard to define what really is code s-caliber. If you mean he's better than some of the bottom code s players, I agree. Sometimes luck does play an important role in qualifying for Code S. However, if by Code S caliber you mean he's tip top in Korea, it's definitely not true. He never actually played in Code S for a season or two so it's really hard to tell if he actually is that good. Stephano got high on the Korean ladder, what was it, like top 15 or so at its peak, before he quickly dropped down as people got used to his style? People use it as evidence, that he is Code S quality.. There are so many Koreans who've been very high on the ladder, who haven't even been able to make Code A so far... Life, who has been #1 numerous times, and was #1 again for quite a while just recently, bombed out in the Code A qualifiers a couple of weeks ago.. There's nothing to support that Stephano is a Code S level player. Top 7. And was 3rd zerg ever who got over 72% win ratio on the korean GM ladder. And he never dropped down he keep going up and up Since when is ladder result a qualification for Code S? Stephano beat both MVP and DRG and has 100% win rate againts them. So he is better than 2 GSL champions, cant beat that logic !
incontrol beat sleep who beat polt who beat MMA who beat DRG who beat Nestea
therefore incontrol > mma drg nestea & polt
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