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On March 18 2012 09:06 Koshi wrote:
Check your facts before putting them on paper. If it is ok to just put wrong information then these forums would be a mess.
People throw in wrong information in their posts all the time.
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just saw like 5 guys bum cigs off of sleep. poor guy just lost a quarter of a pack. if i was him i probably wouldve lost 5 fans instead.
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On March 18 2012 09:07 FighterHayabusa wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 09:05 Denzil wrote:On March 18 2012 09:01 MavivaM wrote:On March 18 2012 08:56 mememolly wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 18 2012 08:51 Asha` wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 08:49 mememolly wrote:On March 18 2012 08:46 Asha` wrote:On March 18 2012 08:45 Nourek wrote:On March 18 2012 08:43 Asha` wrote:On March 18 2012 08:42 Denzil wrote:On March 18 2012 08:40 MavivaM wrote:
Oh man why do tournaments keep inviting guys like these... a lot of proplayers and they invite ladder warriors.
NesTea MVP MC and 90% of Code S were busy for this event I'd still rather they invited more rising NA prospects than forever average fan favourites though. But I guess it is an easy way to increase your viewer count. I don't think every tournament has to be the best of the best. We already have a lot of these. That's what I'm saying. They invited a couple of lesser known NA based players like Heavens etc, I'd rather see a few more guys like that get a chance than guys you know are likely to exit early but who are just there because they are popular. On March 18 2012 08:46 Denzil wrote:On March 18 2012 08:43 Asha` wrote:On March 18 2012 08:42 Denzil wrote:On March 18 2012 08:40 MavivaM wrote:
Oh man why do tournaments keep inviting guys like these... a lot of proplayers and they invite ladder warriors.
NesTea MVP MC and 90% of Code S were busy for this event I'd still rather they invited more rising NA prospects than forever average fan favourites though. But I guess it is an easy way to increase your viewer count. wat are you suggesting that steven is average? yes? but those unknown na players you are talking about are worse than destiny Really? They perform as well on ladder as he's ever done, a number of them have picked up great wins in clan wars, and most of them are improving and not fairly stagnant. All I'm saying is I'd like to see more people getting a chance at these events and not the same old popular community figures who're never going to do anything get invites over and over. Those unknowns need to prove themselves, there are plenty of other tourneys that have open brackets etc where they can make a name for themselves, sc2 has too many tourneys for players to play the old "I'm discriminated against" card when it comes to their own lack of exposure But what have these supposed superstars proven until now? If we group togheter Destiny, Tyler and Incontrol the best placement we get is a 4th place in a tournament devoid of koreans... I mean they are basically a free win or once in a blue moon a silver bullet against a player who doesn't know them. I can understand that not every tournament can have MVP, but at least invite someone who can have a slight chance of winning, if not only compete well. Why are you implying they're a free win? Destiny played some damn good games and I mean some really really good games against not only Dragon but Demuslim too. Despite what the internet wants to think of him he's not as gimmicky and terrible as he used to be he figures shit out and it's showing yet when he does win it's considered a blue moon, same for Incontrol. God forbid pros put effort in to win games whereas the called upon "upcomers of the NA scene" to replace these "terrible pros" such as vilestate get crushed without a remotely good fight put up To be fair, State played Polt, and few people can put up a fight against him.
Would you guys have the same sympathy if Tyler Incontrol or Destiny played Polt and got destroyed in the same fashion? I highly doubt
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On March 18 2012 09:02 mememolly wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 08:57 sitromit wrote:On March 18 2012 08:54 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 18 2012 08:44 sitromit wrote:On March 18 2012 08:32 chosenkerrigan wrote:On March 18 2012 08:27 Canucklehead wrote:On March 18 2012 08:25 Phobbers wrote:On March 18 2012 08:24 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 18 2012 08:22 DeepElemBlues wrote:
Koreans: 'we greatly respect stephano'
Most posters the last 2 pages or so: Stephano ain't shit those Koreans would roll him EZ PZ
T.T Its becuase they dont understand how a foreigner player can do this without korean training. Stephano got so many koreans fans in the short time when he was in Korea.Play XP was goign crazy about him. All the best Koreans have sayd so many times Stephano is easy a code S player but still people cant belive it. No one said they would roll him ezpz, no one is denying that Stephano is Code S caliber. Stop making things up to support your terrible arguments and bias. I don't think stephano is code s quality. I'd need to see him more against koreans. He's a top foreigner no doubt, and probably best foreigner, but I'm not ready to even call him code A quality yet without more evidence of facing quality opponents. It's hard to define what really is code s-caliber. If you mean he's better than some of the bottom code s players, I agree. Sometimes luck does play an important role in qualifying for Code S. However, if by Code S caliber you mean he's tip top in Korea, it's definitely not true. He never actually played in Code S for a season or two so it's really hard to tell if he actually is that good. Stephano got high on the Korean ladder, what was it, like top 15 or so at its peak, before he quickly dropped down as people got used to his style? People use it as evidence, that he is Code S quality.. There are so many Koreans who've been very high on the ladder, who haven't even been able to make Code A so far... Life, who has been #1 numerous times, and was #1 again for quite a while just recently, bombed out in the Code A qualifiers a couple of weeks ago.. There's nothing to support that Stephano is a Code S level player. Top 7. And was 3rd zerg ever who got over 72% win ratio on the korean GM ladder. And he never dropped down he keep going up and up. You just talking crap you dont even know Stephano it seems like No, his position in the ladder was much lower by the time he left, I'm pretty sure. Edit: As I write this, Life is #2 with 70.7% win rate, and he couldn't even make it into Code A this season, and was knocked out in ro48 last season. did life win ipl 3 and win eswc vrs MKP? or recently 3-0 puma like he was nothing?
It's not really fair to say such thing. Life could totally win an IPL or ESWC given the chance. And a lot of korean zergs could rape puma.
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I want viOlet to win but in my heart I know Polt has this...
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On March 18 2012 09:07 sitromit wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 09:02 mememolly wrote:On March 18 2012 08:57 sitromit wrote:On March 18 2012 08:54 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 18 2012 08:44 sitromit wrote:On March 18 2012 08:32 chosenkerrigan wrote:On March 18 2012 08:27 Canucklehead wrote:On March 18 2012 08:25 Phobbers wrote:On March 18 2012 08:24 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 18 2012 08:22 DeepElemBlues wrote:
Koreans: 'we greatly respect stephano'
Most posters the last 2 pages or so: Stephano ain't shit those Koreans would roll him EZ PZ
T.T Its becuase they dont understand how a foreigner player can do this without korean training. Stephano got so many koreans fans in the short time when he was in Korea.Play XP was goign crazy about him. All the best Koreans have sayd so many times Stephano is easy a code S player but still people cant belive it. No one said they would roll him ezpz, no one is denying that Stephano is Code S caliber. Stop making things up to support your terrible arguments and bias. I don't think stephano is code s quality. I'd need to see him more against koreans. He's a top foreigner no doubt, and probably best foreigner, but I'm not ready to even call him code A quality yet without more evidence of facing quality opponents. It's hard to define what really is code s-caliber. If you mean he's better than some of the bottom code s players, I agree. Sometimes luck does play an important role in qualifying for Code S. However, if by Code S caliber you mean he's tip top in Korea, it's definitely not true. He never actually played in Code S for a season or two so it's really hard to tell if he actually is that good. Stephano got high on the Korean ladder, what was it, like top 15 or so at its peak, before he quickly dropped down as people got used to his style? People use it as evidence, that he is Code S quality.. There are so many Koreans who've been very high on the ladder, who haven't even been able to make Code A so far... Life, who has been #1 numerous times, and was #1 again for quite a while just recently, bombed out in the Code A qualifiers a couple of weeks ago.. There's nothing to support that Stephano is a Code S level player. Top 7. And was 3rd zerg ever who got over 72% win ratio on the korean GM ladder. And he never dropped down he keep going up and up. You just talking crap you dont even know Stephano it seems like No, his position in the ladder was much lower by the time he left, I'm pretty sure. Edit: As I write this, Life is #2 with 70.7% win rate, and he couldn't even make it into Code A this season, and was knocked out in ro48 last season. did life win ipl 3 and win eswc vrs MKP? or recently 3-0 puma like he was nothing? He beat Bomber and Keen and won the Iron Squid qualifier and won a Korean Weekly beating Jjakji in the final. But you seem to miss my point. Position on the Korean ladder is no proof of a player being Code S level. If we're going to declare every player who has won games against Puma or MKP to be Code S level, the entire Korean progamer scene must be in Code S.
Not being in Code S doesn't mean you're not Code S level.
If he's able to beat Jjakji, Keen, and Bomber, and his other match-ups are as good as his vT, then Life is Code S level.
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Is there a place I can see the results?
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i don't get the haters tbh, so if you beat code S players in tourneys in bo3s you are still not code S level? you can't argue against that kind of false logic
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On March 18 2012 09:09 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 09:07 sitromit wrote:On March 18 2012 09:02 mememolly wrote:On March 18 2012 08:57 sitromit wrote:On March 18 2012 08:54 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 18 2012 08:44 sitromit wrote:On March 18 2012 08:32 chosenkerrigan wrote:On March 18 2012 08:27 Canucklehead wrote:On March 18 2012 08:25 Phobbers wrote:On March 18 2012 08:24 Benjamin80 wrote:
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Its becuase they dont understand how a foreigner player can do this without korean training. Stephano got so many koreans fans in the short time when he was in Korea.Play XP was goign crazy about him. All the best Koreans have sayd so many times Stephano is easy a code S player but still people cant belive it. No one said they would roll him ezpz, no one is denying that Stephano is Code S caliber. Stop making things up to support your terrible arguments and bias. I don't think stephano is code s quality. I'd need to see him more against koreans. He's a top foreigner no doubt, and probably best foreigner, but I'm not ready to even call him code A quality yet without more evidence of facing quality opponents. It's hard to define what really is code s-caliber. If you mean he's better than some of the bottom code s players, I agree. Sometimes luck does play an important role in qualifying for Code S. However, if by Code S caliber you mean he's tip top in Korea, it's definitely not true. He never actually played in Code S for a season or two so it's really hard to tell if he actually is that good. Stephano got high on the Korean ladder, what was it, like top 15 or so at its peak, before he quickly dropped down as people got used to his style? People use it as evidence, that he is Code S quality.. There are so many Koreans who've been very high on the ladder, who haven't even been able to make Code A so far... Life, who has been #1 numerous times, and was #1 again for quite a while just recently, bombed out in the Code A qualifiers a couple of weeks ago.. There's nothing to support that Stephano is a Code S level player. Top 7. And was 3rd zerg ever who got over 72% win ratio on the korean GM ladder. And he never dropped down he keep going up and up. You just talking crap you dont even know Stephano it seems like No, his position in the ladder was much lower by the time he left, I'm pretty sure. Edit: As I write this, Life is #2 with 70.7% win rate, and he couldn't even make it into Code A this season, and was knocked out in ro48 last season. did life win ipl 3 and win eswc vrs MKP? or recently 3-0 puma like he was nothing? He beat Bomber and Keen and won the Iron Squid qualifier and won a Korean Weekly beating Jjakji in the final. But you seem to miss my point. Position on the Korean ladder is no proof of a player being Code S level. If we're going to declare every player who has won games against Puma or MKP to be Code S level, the entire Korean progamer scene must be in Code S. Not being in Code S doesn't mean you're not Code S level. If he's able to beat Jjakji, Keen, and Bomber, and his other match-ups are as good as his vT, then Life is Code S level.
Then there are about 50 Code S level players lol..
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On March 18 2012 09:05 Denzil wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 18 2012 09:01 MavivaM wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 08:56 mememolly wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 18 2012 08:51 Asha` wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 08:49 mememolly wrote:On March 18 2012 08:46 Asha` wrote:On March 18 2012 08:45 Nourek wrote:On March 18 2012 08:43 Asha` wrote:On March 18 2012 08:42 Denzil wrote:On March 18 2012 08:40 MavivaM wrote:
Oh man why do tournaments keep inviting guys like these... a lot of proplayers and they invite ladder warriors.
NesTea MVP MC and 90% of Code S were busy for this event I'd still rather they invited more rising NA prospects than forever average fan favourites though. But I guess it is an easy way to increase your viewer count. I don't think every tournament has to be the best of the best. We already have a lot of these. That's what I'm saying. They invited a couple of lesser known NA based players like Heavens etc, I'd rather see a few more guys like that get a chance than guys you know are likely to exit early but who are just there because they are popular. On March 18 2012 08:46 Denzil wrote:On March 18 2012 08:43 Asha` wrote:On March 18 2012 08:42 Denzil wrote:On March 18 2012 08:40 MavivaM wrote:
Oh man why do tournaments keep inviting guys like these... a lot of proplayers and they invite ladder warriors.
NesTea MVP MC and 90% of Code S were busy for this event I'd still rather they invited more rising NA prospects than forever average fan favourites though. But I guess it is an easy way to increase your viewer count. wat are you suggesting that steven is average? yes? but those unknown na players you are talking about are worse than destiny Really? They perform as well on ladder as he's ever done, a number of them have picked up great wins in clan wars, and most of them are improving and not fairly stagnant. All I'm saying is I'd like to see more people getting a chance at these events and not the same old popular community figures who're never going to do anything get invites over and over. Those unknowns need to prove themselves, there are plenty of other tourneys that have open brackets etc where they can make a name for themselves, sc2 has too many tourneys for players to play the old "I'm discriminated against" card when it comes to their own lack of exposure But what have these supposed superstars proven until now? If we group togheter Destiny, Tyler and Incontrol the best placement we get is a 4th place in a tournament devoid of koreans... I mean they are basically a free win or once in a blue moon a silver bullet against a player who doesn't know them. I can understand that not every tournament can have MVP, but at least invite someone who can have a slight chance of winning, if not only compete well. Why are you implying they're a free win? Destiny played some damn good games and I mean some really really good games against not only Dragon but Demuslim too. Despite what the internet wants to think of him he's not as gimmicky and terrible as he used to be he figures shit out and it's showing yet when he does win it's considered a blue moon, same for Incontrol. God forbid pros put effort in to win games whereas the called upon "upcomers of the NA scene" to replace these "terrible pros" such as vilestate get crushed without a remotely good fight put up
Because statistics and tournament results speaking, they are basically that.
I don't have a personal grudge or anything against them or whatever, it's just that we are talking about guys who had about 2 years to practice and their results keep being the same.
Personally I'd try something new.
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On March 18 2012 09:08 Denzil wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 09:07 FighterHayabusa wrote:On March 18 2012 09:05 Denzil wrote:On March 18 2012 09:01 MavivaM wrote:On March 18 2012 08:56 mememolly wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 18 2012 08:51 Asha` wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 08:49 mememolly wrote:On March 18 2012 08:46 Asha` wrote:On March 18 2012 08:45 Nourek wrote:On March 18 2012 08:43 Asha` wrote:On March 18 2012 08:42 Denzil wrote:On March 18 2012 08:40 MavivaM wrote:
Oh man why do tournaments keep inviting guys like these... a lot of proplayers and they invite ladder warriors.
NesTea MVP MC and 90% of Code S were busy for this event I'd still rather they invited more rising NA prospects than forever average fan favourites though. But I guess it is an easy way to increase your viewer count. I don't think every tournament has to be the best of the best. We already have a lot of these. That's what I'm saying. They invited a couple of lesser known NA based players like Heavens etc, I'd rather see a few more guys like that get a chance than guys you know are likely to exit early but who are just there because they are popular. On March 18 2012 08:46 Denzil wrote:On March 18 2012 08:43 Asha` wrote:On March 18 2012 08:42 Denzil wrote:On March 18 2012 08:40 MavivaM wrote:
Oh man why do tournaments keep inviting guys like these... a lot of proplayers and they invite ladder warriors.
NesTea MVP MC and 90% of Code S were busy for this event I'd still rather they invited more rising NA prospects than forever average fan favourites though. But I guess it is an easy way to increase your viewer count. wat are you suggesting that steven is average? yes? but those unknown na players you are talking about are worse than destiny Really? They perform as well on ladder as he's ever done, a number of them have picked up great wins in clan wars, and most of them are improving and not fairly stagnant. All I'm saying is I'd like to see more people getting a chance at these events and not the same old popular community figures who're never going to do anything get invites over and over. Those unknowns need to prove themselves, there are plenty of other tourneys that have open brackets etc where they can make a name for themselves, sc2 has too many tourneys for players to play the old "I'm discriminated against" card when it comes to their own lack of exposure But what have these supposed superstars proven until now? If we group togheter Destiny, Tyler and Incontrol the best placement we get is a 4th place in a tournament devoid of koreans... I mean they are basically a free win or once in a blue moon a silver bullet against a player who doesn't know them. I can understand that not every tournament can have MVP, but at least invite someone who can have a slight chance of winning, if not only compete well. Why are you implying they're a free win? Destiny played some damn good games and I mean some really really good games against not only Dragon but Demuslim too. Despite what the internet wants to think of him he's not as gimmicky and terrible as he used to be he figures shit out and it's showing yet when he does win it's considered a blue moon, same for Incontrol. God forbid pros put effort in to win games whereas the called upon "upcomers of the NA scene" to replace these "terrible pros" such as vilestate get crushed without a remotely good fight put up To be fair, State played Polt, and few people can put up a fight against him. Would you guys have the same sympathy if Tyler Incontrol or Destiny played Polt and got destroyed in the same fashion? I highly doubt
No, I'd say the same thing. No shame in losing to Polt.
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Just came back and what the hell am I seeing? Destiny went past Dragon? I really did not expect that! :o
Maybe the North Americans can start a come back in the lower bracket!
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On March 18 2012 09:05 SeaSwift wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 09:02 Bagi wrote:On March 18 2012 08:56 SeaSwift wrote:
Fuck off. If I'm wrong about something, tell me I'm wrong. Don't be a dick about it. Why talk about things you don't know about or are assuming are true in the first place? As I said: that was what I thought to be true - that Stephano didn't make it into GM. He did. I was wrong. Sorry for being wrong, I guess? I've since had people saying I've been (and I quote verbatim) "spewing lies" and "spreading misinformation", and that I'm a "hater" and "acting like a 12yo". As I said before: if someone is wrong, tell them they are wrong. That's... it. Why would anyone feel the need to say anything else?
Well I called you out on that. And technically it was a lie - maybe not deliberately but I think we agree on that. This is the internet and I also saw a possibility you were trolling, and ride on the wave of Stephano haters. No hard feelings mate - k?
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On March 18 2012 09:10 mememolly wrote:
i don't get the haters tbh, so if you beat code S players in tourneys in bo3s you are still not code S level? you can't argue against that kind of false logic
if beating a code s player in a bo3 makes you code s level there are so many "code S level" players that it's absolutely meaningless.
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When/where are VODs of this event going up?
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On March 18 2012 09:11 MavivaM wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 09:05 Denzil wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 18 2012 09:01 MavivaM wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 08:56 mememolly wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 18 2012 08:51 Asha` wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 08:49 mememolly wrote:On March 18 2012 08:46 Asha` wrote:On March 18 2012 08:45 Nourek wrote:On March 18 2012 08:43 Asha` wrote:On March 18 2012 08:42 Denzil wrote:On March 18 2012 08:40 MavivaM wrote:
Oh man why do tournaments keep inviting guys like these... a lot of proplayers and they invite ladder warriors.
NesTea MVP MC and 90% of Code S were busy for this event I'd still rather they invited more rising NA prospects than forever average fan favourites though. But I guess it is an easy way to increase your viewer count. I don't think every tournament has to be the best of the best. We already have a lot of these. That's what I'm saying. They invited a couple of lesser known NA based players like Heavens etc, I'd rather see a few more guys like that get a chance than guys you know are likely to exit early but who are just there because they are popular. On March 18 2012 08:46 Denzil wrote:On March 18 2012 08:43 Asha` wrote:On March 18 2012 08:42 Denzil wrote:On March 18 2012 08:40 MavivaM wrote:
Oh man why do tournaments keep inviting guys like these... a lot of proplayers and they invite ladder warriors.
NesTea MVP MC and 90% of Code S were busy for this event I'd still rather they invited more rising NA prospects than forever average fan favourites though. But I guess it is an easy way to increase your viewer count. wat are you suggesting that steven is average? yes? but those unknown na players you are talking about are worse than destiny Really? They perform as well on ladder as he's ever done, a number of them have picked up great wins in clan wars, and most of them are improving and not fairly stagnant. All I'm saying is I'd like to see more people getting a chance at these events and not the same old popular community figures who're never going to do anything get invites over and over. Those unknowns need to prove themselves, there are plenty of other tourneys that have open brackets etc where they can make a name for themselves, sc2 has too many tourneys for players to play the old "I'm discriminated against" card when it comes to their own lack of exposure But what have these supposed superstars proven until now? If we group togheter Destiny, Tyler and Incontrol the best placement we get is a 4th place in a tournament devoid of koreans... I mean they are basically a free win or once in a blue moon a silver bullet against a player who doesn't know them. I can understand that not every tournament can have MVP, but at least invite someone who can have a slight chance of winning, if not only compete well. Why are you implying they're a free win? Destiny played some damn good games and I mean some really really good games against not only Dragon but Demuslim too. Despite what the internet wants to think of him he's not as gimmicky and terrible as he used to be he figures shit out and it's showing yet when he does win it's considered a blue moon, same for Incontrol. God forbid pros put effort in to win games whereas the called upon "upcomers of the NA scene" to replace these "terrible pros" such as vilestate get crushed without a remotely good fight put up Because statistics and tournament results speaking, they are basically that. I don't have a personal grudge or anything against them or whatever, it's just that we are talking about guys who had about 2 years to practice and their results keep being the same. Personally I'd try something new.
Dunning-Kruger effect in action. You greatly misjudge the skill it takes to compete at that level. Playing 2 years doesn't mean that someone is going to become of a master of something, and it certainly doesn't mean that they lack the ability to master it. It just means that there is far more depth to the game than you realize. It isn't the generalities that seperate the good from the best, it is the subtleties.
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Who gives a damn whether or not stephano is code s level when he hasn't tried to play in the gsl? Please take this pointless argument somewhere else.
Polt looking way too good.
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On March 18 2012 09:11 JustPassingBy wrote:
Just came back and what the hell am I seeing? Destiny went past Dragon? I really did not expect that! :o
Maybe the North Americans can start a come back in the lower bracket!
or dragon is a bad player and hes only famous because reddit overhypes him.
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On March 18 2012 09:10 chosenkerrigan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 09:09 Azarkon wrote:On March 18 2012 09:07 sitromit wrote:On March 18 2012 09:02 mememolly wrote:On March 18 2012 08:57 sitromit wrote:On March 18 2012 08:54 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 18 2012 08:44 sitromit wrote:On March 18 2012 08:32 chosenkerrigan wrote:On March 18 2012 08:27 Canucklehead wrote:On March 18 2012 08:25 Phobbers wrote:
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No one said they would roll him ezpz, no one is denying that Stephano is Code S caliber. Stop making things up to support your terrible arguments and bias. I don't think stephano is code s quality. I'd need to see him more against koreans. He's a top foreigner no doubt, and probably best foreigner, but I'm not ready to even call him code A quality yet without more evidence of facing quality opponents. It's hard to define what really is code s-caliber. If you mean he's better than some of the bottom code s players, I agree. Sometimes luck does play an important role in qualifying for Code S. However, if by Code S caliber you mean he's tip top in Korea, it's definitely not true. He never actually played in Code S for a season or two so it's really hard to tell if he actually is that good. Stephano got high on the Korean ladder, what was it, like top 15 or so at its peak, before he quickly dropped down as people got used to his style? People use it as evidence, that he is Code S quality.. There are so many Koreans who've been very high on the ladder, who haven't even been able to make Code A so far... Life, who has been #1 numerous times, and was #1 again for quite a while just recently, bombed out in the Code A qualifiers a couple of weeks ago.. There's nothing to support that Stephano is a Code S level player. Top 7. And was 3rd zerg ever who got over 72% win ratio on the korean GM ladder. And he never dropped down he keep going up and up. You just talking crap you dont even know Stephano it seems like No, his position in the ladder was much lower by the time he left, I'm pretty sure. Edit: As I write this, Life is #2 with 70.7% win rate, and he couldn't even make it into Code A this season, and was knocked out in ro48 last season. did life win ipl 3 and win eswc vrs MKP? or recently 3-0 puma like he was nothing? He beat Bomber and Keen and won the Iron Squid qualifier and won a Korean Weekly beating Jjakji in the final. But you seem to miss my point. Position on the Korean ladder is no proof of a player being Code S level. If we're going to declare every player who has won games against Puma or MKP to be Code S level, the entire Korean progamer scene must be in Code S. Not being in Code S doesn't mean you're not Code S level. If he's able to beat Jjakji, Keen, and Bomber, and his other match-ups are as good as his vT, then Life is Code S level. Then there are about 50 Code S level players lol..
That's fine?
Players not in Code S are still able to possess a Code S level of skill. Many of the players who did well in Code S were seeded into it via foreigner tournaments after dropping out - ie MC, Polt, etc. IIRC Stephano was offered a Code S spot, but he turned it down.
Code S itself isn't that special. People go in and out of it without drastic swings in their skill. The format avails itself to that.
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