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Code S = Top 32 in Korea = arguably Top 32 in the world.
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On March 18 2012 09:21 chosenkerrigan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 09:16 Azarkon wrote:On March 18 2012 09:10 chosenkerrigan wrote:On March 18 2012 09:09 Azarkon wrote:On March 18 2012 09:07 sitromit wrote:On March 18 2012 09:02 mememolly wrote:On March 18 2012 08:57 sitromit wrote:On March 18 2012 08:54 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 18 2012 08:44 sitromit wrote:On March 18 2012 08:32 chosenkerrigan wrote:
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It's hard to define what really is code s-caliber. If you mean he's better than some of the bottom code s players, I agree. Sometimes luck does play an important role in qualifying for Code S. However, if by Code S caliber you mean he's tip top in Korea, it's definitely not true. He never actually played in Code S for a season or two so it's really hard to tell if he actually is that good. Stephano got high on the Korean ladder, what was it, like top 15 or so at its peak, before he quickly dropped down as people got used to his style? People use it as evidence, that he is Code S quality.. There are so many Koreans who've been very high on the ladder, who haven't even been able to make Code A so far... Life, who has been #1 numerous times, and was #1 again for quite a while just recently, bombed out in the Code A qualifiers a couple of weeks ago.. There's nothing to support that Stephano is a Code S level player. Top 7. And was 3rd zerg ever who got over 72% win ratio on the korean GM ladder. And he never dropped down he keep going up and up. You just talking crap you dont even know Stephano it seems like No, his position in the ladder was much lower by the time he left, I'm pretty sure. Edit: As I write this, Life is #2 with 70.7% win rate, and he couldn't even make it into Code A this season, and was knocked out in ro48 last season. did life win ipl 3 and win eswc vrs MKP? or recently 3-0 puma like he was nothing? He beat Bomber and Keen and won the Iron Squid qualifier and won a Korean Weekly beating Jjakji in the final. But you seem to miss my point. Position on the Korean ladder is no proof of a player being Code S level. If we're going to declare every player who has won games against Puma or MKP to be Code S level, the entire Korean progamer scene must be in Code S. Not being in Code S doesn't mean you're not Code S level. If he's able to beat Jjakji, Keen, and Bomber, and his other match-ups are as good as his vT, then Life is Code S level. Then there are about 50 Code S level players lol.. That's fine? I don't get why people think that people not in Code S aren't Code S level when many of the players who did well in Code S were seeded into it via foreigner tournaments after dropping out - ie MC, Polt, etc. IIRC Stephano was offered a Code S spot, but he turned it down. Code S itself isn't that special. People go in and out of it without drastic swings in their skill. The format avails itself to that. Define Code S level. Define it.
Having skill around the same level as players in Code S.
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On March 18 2012 09:23 Dfgj wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 09:23 chosenkerrigan wrote:On March 18 2012 09:22 Doublemint wrote:On March 18 2012 09:21 chosenkerrigan wrote:On March 18 2012 09:16 Azarkon wrote:On March 18 2012 09:10 chosenkerrigan wrote:On March 18 2012 09:09 Azarkon wrote:On March 18 2012 09:07 sitromit wrote:On March 18 2012 09:02 mememolly wrote:On March 18 2012 08:57 sitromit wrote:
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No, his position in the ladder was much lower by the time he left, I'm pretty sure.
Edit: As I write this, Life is #2 with 70.7% win rate, and he couldn't even make it into Code A this season, and was knocked out in ro48 last season. did life win ipl 3 and win eswc vrs MKP? or recently 3-0 puma like he was nothing? He beat Bomber and Keen and won the Iron Squid qualifier and won a Korean Weekly beating Jjakji in the final. But you seem to miss my point. Position on the Korean ladder is no proof of a player being Code S level. If we're going to declare every player who has won games against Puma or MKP to be Code S level, the entire Korean progamer scene must be in Code S. Not being in Code S doesn't mean you're not Code S level. If he's able to beat Jjakji, Keen, and Bomber, and his other match-ups are as good as his vT, then Life is Code S level. Then there are about 50 Code S level players lol.. That's fine? I don't get why people think that people not in Code S aren't Code S level when many of the players who did well in Code S were seeded into it via foreigner tournaments after dropping out - ie MC, Polt, etc. IIRC Stephano was offered a Code S spot, but he turned it down. Code S itself isn't that special. People go in and out of it without drastic swings in their skill. The format avails itself to that. Define Code S level. Define it. Being able to compete with most of the people playing there? Then define "being able to compete"? Now you're just being obtuse.
I'm just saying we don't even have a clear definition for "Code S level", so arguing whether or not stephano is Code S level is pointless.
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Seriously, you guys are assholes.
Shut the fuck up talking about anything but the games being played, please.
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violet playing so good right now
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On March 18 2012 09:25 chosenkerrigan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 09:23 Dfgj wrote:On March 18 2012 09:23 chosenkerrigan wrote:On March 18 2012 09:22 Doublemint wrote:On March 18 2012 09:21 chosenkerrigan wrote:On March 18 2012 09:16 Azarkon wrote:On March 18 2012 09:10 chosenkerrigan wrote:On March 18 2012 09:09 Azarkon wrote:On March 18 2012 09:07 sitromit wrote:On March 18 2012 09:02 mememolly wrote:
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did life win ipl 3 and win eswc vrs MKP? or recently 3-0 puma like he was nothing? He beat Bomber and Keen and won the Iron Squid qualifier and won a Korean Weekly beating Jjakji in the final. But you seem to miss my point. Position on the Korean ladder is no proof of a player being Code S level. If we're going to declare every player who has won games against Puma or MKP to be Code S level, the entire Korean progamer scene must be in Code S. Not being in Code S doesn't mean you're not Code S level. If he's able to beat Jjakji, Keen, and Bomber, and his other match-ups are as good as his vT, then Life is Code S level. Then there are about 50 Code S level players lol.. That's fine? I don't get why people think that people not in Code S aren't Code S level when many of the players who did well in Code S were seeded into it via foreigner tournaments after dropping out - ie MC, Polt, etc. IIRC Stephano was offered a Code S spot, but he turned it down. Code S itself isn't that special. People go in and out of it without drastic swings in their skill. The format avails itself to that. Define Code S level. Define it. Being able to compete with most of the people playing there? Then define "being able to compete"? Now you're just being obtuse. I'm just saying we don't even have a clear definition for "Code S level", so arguing whether or not stephano is Code S level is pointless.
Define 'don't even have a clear definition'.
OHHH BANELINGBOMB nice job violet
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On March 18 2012 09:25 chosenkerrigan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 09:23 Dfgj wrote:On March 18 2012 09:23 chosenkerrigan wrote:On March 18 2012 09:22 Doublemint wrote:On March 18 2012 09:21 chosenkerrigan wrote:On March 18 2012 09:16 Azarkon wrote:On March 18 2012 09:10 chosenkerrigan wrote:On March 18 2012 09:09 Azarkon wrote:On March 18 2012 09:07 sitromit wrote:On March 18 2012 09:02 mememolly wrote:
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did life win ipl 3 and win eswc vrs MKP? or recently 3-0 puma like he was nothing? He beat Bomber and Keen and won the Iron Squid qualifier and won a Korean Weekly beating Jjakji in the final. But you seem to miss my point. Position on the Korean ladder is no proof of a player being Code S level. If we're going to declare every player who has won games against Puma or MKP to be Code S level, the entire Korean progamer scene must be in Code S. Not being in Code S doesn't mean you're not Code S level. If he's able to beat Jjakji, Keen, and Bomber, and his other match-ups are as good as his vT, then Life is Code S level. Then there are about 50 Code S level players lol.. That's fine? I don't get why people think that people not in Code S aren't Code S level when many of the players who did well in Code S were seeded into it via foreigner tournaments after dropping out - ie MC, Polt, etc. IIRC Stephano was offered a Code S spot, but he turned it down. Code S itself isn't that special. People go in and out of it without drastic swings in their skill. The format avails itself to that. Define Code S level. Define it. Being able to compete with most of the people playing there? Then define "being able to compete"? Now you're just being obtuse. I'm just saying we don't even have a clear definition for "Code S level", so arguing whether or not stephano is Code S level is pointless.
You're also completely wrong. We do have a clear definition of "Code S level". It's the top 32 in korea. This is something widely known.
You can stop posting now.
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lolololol troll banelings
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I seriously love violets style. He might not be the best Zerg ever, but hes incredibly enjoyable to watch.
Totally my favourite Zerg atm.
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Rofl Mr Bitter. That was the funniest thing I've ever heard.
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On March 18 2012 09:16 Denzil wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 09:11 MavivaM wrote:On March 18 2012 09:05 Denzil wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 18 2012 09:01 MavivaM wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 08:56 mememolly wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 18 2012 08:51 Asha` wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 08:49 mememolly wrote:On March 18 2012 08:46 Asha` wrote:On March 18 2012 08:45 Nourek wrote:On March 18 2012 08:43 Asha` wrote:On March 18 2012 08:42 Denzil wrote:On March 18 2012 08:40 MavivaM wrote:
Oh man why do tournaments keep inviting guys like these... a lot of proplayers and they invite ladder warriors.
NesTea MVP MC and 90% of Code S were busy for this event I'd still rather they invited more rising NA prospects than forever average fan favourites though. But I guess it is an easy way to increase your viewer count. I don't think every tournament has to be the best of the best. We already have a lot of these. That's what I'm saying. They invited a couple of lesser known NA based players like Heavens etc, I'd rather see a few more guys like that get a chance than guys you know are likely to exit early but who are just there because they are popular. On March 18 2012 08:46 Denzil wrote:On March 18 2012 08:43 Asha` wrote:On March 18 2012 08:42 Denzil wrote:On March 18 2012 08:40 MavivaM wrote:
Oh man why do tournaments keep inviting guys like these... a lot of proplayers and they invite ladder warriors.
NesTea MVP MC and 90% of Code S were busy for this event I'd still rather they invited more rising NA prospects than forever average fan favourites though. But I guess it is an easy way to increase your viewer count. wat are you suggesting that steven is average? yes? but those unknown na players you are talking about are worse than destiny Really? They perform as well on ladder as he's ever done, a number of them have picked up great wins in clan wars, and most of them are improving and not fairly stagnant. All I'm saying is I'd like to see more people getting a chance at these events and not the same old popular community figures who're never going to do anything get invites over and over. Those unknowns need to prove themselves, there are plenty of other tourneys that have open brackets etc where they can make a name for themselves, sc2 has too many tourneys for players to play the old "I'm discriminated against" card when it comes to their own lack of exposure But what have these supposed superstars proven until now? If we group togheter Destiny, Tyler and Incontrol the best placement we get is a 4th place in a tournament devoid of koreans... I mean they are basically a free win or once in a blue moon a silver bullet against a player who doesn't know them. I can understand that not every tournament can have MVP, but at least invite someone who can have a slight chance of winning, if not only compete well. Why are you implying they're a free win? Destiny played some damn good games and I mean some really really good games against not only Dragon but Demuslim too. Despite what the internet wants to think of him he's not as gimmicky and terrible as he used to be he figures shit out and it's showing yet when he does win it's considered a blue moon, same for Incontrol. God forbid pros put effort in to win games whereas the called upon "upcomers of the NA scene" to replace these "terrible pros" such as vilestate get crushed without a remotely good fight put up Because statistics and tournament results speaking, they are basically that. I don't have a personal grudge or anything against them or whatever, it's just that we are talking about guys who had about 2 years to practice and their results keep being the same. Personally I'd try something new. Enter Vile State and Vile Hawk the average destiny and incontrol get knocked out first round the new upcomers advance wait what?
Destiny is actually pretty good now foreigner wise. I'm looking forward to him getting better and better.
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I think he coulda used two banelings for that same detonation.
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Sick baneling bomb! Btw am I the only one having some lag? Its quite anoying.
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Well.. Polt is hard to kill, but the baneling hit is pretty clearly the breaking point for violet i think now.
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DAMN, viOlet taking a suprising lead with the 1-0....We just might be seeing a DeMuslim vs polt in the loser brackets...
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I love love love love when baneling bombs are successful. I can't stand that Terran never invests in perma detection... yum yum :D
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damn, i knew it.
Polt 
please win the next 2 games.
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that detonation was great, was yelling along with the casters lol.
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Can't believe Polt's expression didn't change at all when he lost all those marines.
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EPT
