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On March 18 2012 08:49 mememolly wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 08:46 Asha` wrote:On March 18 2012 08:45 Nourek wrote:On March 18 2012 08:43 Asha` wrote:On March 18 2012 08:42 Denzil wrote:On March 18 2012 08:40 MavivaM wrote:
Oh man why do tournaments keep inviting guys like these... a lot of proplayers and they invite ladder warriors.
NesTea MVP MC and 90% of Code S were busy for this event I'd still rather they invited more rising NA prospects than forever average fan favourites though. But I guess it is an easy way to increase your viewer count. I don't think every tournament has to be the best of the best. We already have a lot of these. That's what I'm saying. They invited a couple of lesser known NA based players like Heavens etc, I'd rather see a few more guys like that get a chance than guys you know are likely to exit early but who are just there because they are popular. On March 18 2012 08:46 Denzil wrote:On March 18 2012 08:43 Asha` wrote:On March 18 2012 08:42 Denzil wrote:On March 18 2012 08:40 MavivaM wrote:
Oh man why do tournaments keep inviting guys like these... a lot of proplayers and they invite ladder warriors.
NesTea MVP MC and 90% of Code S were busy for this event I'd still rather they invited more rising NA prospects than forever average fan favourites though. But I guess it is an easy way to increase your viewer count. wat are you suggesting that steven is average? yes? but those unknown na players you are talking about are worse than destiny
i know right he's contradicting himself so hard it's unreal
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On March 18 2012 08:44 sitromit wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 08:32 chosenkerrigan wrote:On March 18 2012 08:27 Canucklehead wrote:On March 18 2012 08:25 Phobbers wrote:On March 18 2012 08:24 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 18 2012 08:22 DeepElemBlues wrote:
Koreans: 'we greatly respect stephano'
Most posters the last 2 pages or so: Stephano ain't shit those Koreans would roll him EZ PZ
T.T Its becuase they dont understand how a foreigner player can do this without korean training. Stephano got so many koreans fans in the short time when he was in Korea.Play XP was goign crazy about him. All the best Koreans have sayd so many times Stephano is easy a code S player but still people cant belive it. No one said they would roll him ezpz, no one is denying that Stephano is Code S caliber. Stop making things up to support your terrible arguments and bias. I don't think stephano is code s quality. I'd need to see him more against koreans. He's a top foreigner no doubt, and probably best foreigner, but I'm not ready to even call him code A quality yet without more evidence of facing quality opponents. It's hard to define what really is code s-caliber. If you mean he's better than some of the bottom code s players, I agree. Sometimes luck does play an important role in qualifying for Code S. However, if by Code S caliber you mean he's tip top in Korea, it's definitely not true. He never actually played in Code S for a season or two so it's really hard to tell if he actually is that good. Stephano got high on the Korean ladder, what was it, like top 15 or so at its peak, before he quickly dropped down as people got used to his style? People use it as evidence, that he is Code S quality.. There are so many Koreans who've been very high on the ladder, who haven't even been able to make Code A so far... Life, who has been #1 numerous times, and was #1 again for quite a while just recently, bombed out in the Code A qualifiers a couple of weeks ago.. There's nothing to support that Stephano is a Code S level player.
theres nothing to support that stephano isnt code s level
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On March 18 2012 08:49 mememolly wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 08:46 Asha` wrote:On March 18 2012 08:45 Nourek wrote:On March 18 2012 08:43 Asha` wrote:On March 18 2012 08:42 Denzil wrote:On March 18 2012 08:40 MavivaM wrote:
Oh man why do tournaments keep inviting guys like these... a lot of proplayers and they invite ladder warriors.
NesTea MVP MC and 90% of Code S were busy for this event I'd still rather they invited more rising NA prospects than forever average fan favourites though. But I guess it is an easy way to increase your viewer count. I don't think every tournament has to be the best of the best. We already have a lot of these. That's what I'm saying. They invited a couple of lesser known NA based players like Heavens etc, I'd rather see a few more guys like that get a chance than guys you know are likely to exit early but who are just there because they are popular. On March 18 2012 08:46 Denzil wrote:On March 18 2012 08:43 Asha` wrote:On March 18 2012 08:42 Denzil wrote:On March 18 2012 08:40 MavivaM wrote:
Oh man why do tournaments keep inviting guys like these... a lot of proplayers and they invite ladder warriors.
NesTea MVP MC and 90% of Code S were busy for this event I'd still rather they invited more rising NA prospects than forever average fan favourites though. But I guess it is an easy way to increase your viewer count. wat are you suggesting that steven is average? yes? but those unknown na players you are talking about are worse than destiny
Really? They perform as well on ladder as he's ever done, a number of them have picked up great wins in clan wars, and most of them are improving and not fairly stagnant. All I'm saying is I'd like to see more people getting a chance at these events and not the same old popular community figures who're never going to do anything get invites over and over.
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bleh only part about CSL I like is the 2v2 lol
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On March 18 2012 08:48 SeaSwift wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 08:44 sitromit wrote:On March 18 2012 08:32 chosenkerrigan wrote:On March 18 2012 08:27 Canucklehead wrote:On March 18 2012 08:25 Phobbers wrote:On March 18 2012 08:24 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 18 2012 08:22 DeepElemBlues wrote:
Koreans: 'we greatly respect stephano'
Most posters the last 2 pages or so: Stephano ain't shit those Koreans would roll him EZ PZ
T.T Its becuase they dont understand how a foreigner player can do this without korean training. Stephano got so many koreans fans in the short time when he was in Korea.Play XP was goign crazy about him. All the best Koreans have sayd so many times Stephano is easy a code S player but still people cant belive it. No one said they would roll him ezpz, no one is denying that Stephano is Code S caliber. Stop making things up to support your terrible arguments and bias. I don't think stephano is code s quality. I'd need to see him more against koreans. He's a top foreigner no doubt, and probably best foreigner, but I'm not ready to even call him code A quality yet without more evidence of facing quality opponents. It's hard to define what really is code s-caliber. If you mean he's better than some of the bottom code s players, I agree. Sometimes luck does play an important role in qualifying for Code S. However, if by Code S caliber you mean he's tip top in Korea, it's definitely not true. He never actually played in Code S for a season or two so it's really hard to tell if he actually is that good. Stephano got high on the Korean ladder, what was it, like top 15 or so at its peak, before he quickly dropped down as people got used to his style? People use it as evidence, that he is Code S quality.. There are so many Koreans who've been very high on the ladder, who haven't even been able to make Code A so far... Life, who has been #1 numerous times, and was #1 again for quite a while just recently, bombed out in the Code A qualifiers a couple of weeks ago.. There's nothing to support that Stephano is a Code S level player. The bolded part is pure conjecture/imagination, invented as an explanation for why his winrate went down from ~70% to ~60%. He also never made "Top 15 on ladder" - I don't think he ever made it into GM. Realistically, his winrate dropped mostly because he started facing decent players rather than lower Masters/Diamonds. His style is really only "blind counter"-able in TvZ. In ZvZ... well, it's ZvZ. In PvZ, his style is fairly standard, just with slightly more Roaches and a big Infestor/BL switch later on, which maybe has a timing window when Hive is morphing.
he was 7th GM at his peak. GM after 3 days of laddering with a 72 % ratio max.
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On March 18 2012 08:50 emraaa wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 08:44 sitromit wrote:On March 18 2012 08:32 chosenkerrigan wrote:On March 18 2012 08:27 Canucklehead wrote:On March 18 2012 08:25 Phobbers wrote:On March 18 2012 08:24 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 18 2012 08:22 DeepElemBlues wrote:
Koreans: 'we greatly respect stephano'
Most posters the last 2 pages or so: Stephano ain't shit those Koreans would roll him EZ PZ
T.T Its becuase they dont understand how a foreigner player can do this without korean training. Stephano got so many koreans fans in the short time when he was in Korea.Play XP was goign crazy about him. All the best Koreans have sayd so many times Stephano is easy a code S player but still people cant belive it. No one said they would roll him ezpz, no one is denying that Stephano is Code S caliber. Stop making things up to support your terrible arguments and bias. I don't think stephano is code s quality. I'd need to see him more against koreans. He's a top foreigner no doubt, and probably best foreigner, but I'm not ready to even call him code A quality yet without more evidence of facing quality opponents. It's hard to define what really is code s-caliber. If you mean he's better than some of the bottom code s players, I agree. Sometimes luck does play an important role in qualifying for Code S. However, if by Code S caliber you mean he's tip top in Korea, it's definitely not true. He never actually played in Code S for a season or two so it's really hard to tell if he actually is that good. Stephano got high on the Korean ladder, what was it, like top 15 or so at its peak, before he quickly dropped down as people got used to his style? People use it as evidence, that he is Code S quality.. There are so many Koreans who've been very high on the ladder, who haven't even been able to make Code A so far... Life, who has been #1 numerous times, and was #1 again for quite a while just recently, bombed out in the Code A qualifiers a couple of weeks ago.. There's nothing to support that Stephano is a Code S level player. theres nothing to support that stephano isnt code s level
thats a terrible argument, I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not but still please never use that argument again
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Are people still on this Destiny is bad kick?
Destiny's better than iNcontrol (he's beaten him in almost every show match they've had) and Tyler who are also there and are "pro players" while Destiny isn't apparently. :/ He also did real well against Demuslim.
He's been putting good, actual practice in lately with some old ROOT buddies like CatZ and Drewbie (and a little Kiwi and Slush), too. As well as Theognis from Quantic (He's actually really really good, he was actually beating Sheth when Destiny, Sheth, and he were playing together).
He's really been improving lately since he stopped playing LoL so much.
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On March 18 2012 08:50 Zeborg wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 08:48 SeaSwift wrote:On March 18 2012 08:44 sitromit wrote:On March 18 2012 08:32 chosenkerrigan wrote:On March 18 2012 08:27 Canucklehead wrote:On March 18 2012 08:25 Phobbers wrote:On March 18 2012 08:24 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 18 2012 08:22 DeepElemBlues wrote:
Koreans: 'we greatly respect stephano'
Most posters the last 2 pages or so: Stephano ain't shit those Koreans would roll him EZ PZ
T.T Its becuase they dont understand how a foreigner player can do this without korean training. Stephano got so many koreans fans in the short time when he was in Korea.Play XP was goign crazy about him. All the best Koreans have sayd so many times Stephano is easy a code S player but still people cant belive it. No one said they would roll him ezpz, no one is denying that Stephano is Code S caliber. Stop making things up to support your terrible arguments and bias. I don't think stephano is code s quality. I'd need to see him more against koreans. He's a top foreigner no doubt, and probably best foreigner, but I'm not ready to even call him code A quality yet without more evidence of facing quality opponents. It's hard to define what really is code s-caliber. If you mean he's better than some of the bottom code s players, I agree. Sometimes luck does play an important role in qualifying for Code S. However, if by Code S caliber you mean he's tip top in Korea, it's definitely not true. He never actually played in Code S for a season or two so it's really hard to tell if he actually is that good. Stephano got high on the Korean ladder, what was it, like top 15 or so at its peak, before he quickly dropped down as people got used to his style? People use it as evidence, that he is Code S quality.. There are so many Koreans who've been very high on the ladder, who haven't even been able to make Code A so far... Life, who has been #1 numerous times, and was #1 again for quite a while just recently, bombed out in the Code A qualifiers a couple of weeks ago.. There's nothing to support that Stephano is a Code S level player. The bolded part is pure conjecture/imagination, invented as an explanation for why his winrate went down from ~70% to ~60%. He also never made "Top 15 on ladder" - I don't think he ever made it into GM. Realistically, his winrate dropped mostly because he started facing decent players rather than lower Masters/Diamonds. His style is really only "blind counter"-able in TvZ. In ZvZ... well, it's ZvZ. In PvZ, his style is fairly standard, just with slightly more Roaches and a big Infestor/BL switch later on, which maybe has a timing window when Hive is morphing. Wrong. He made it to top 20 Korean GM with one of the highest zerg win rates on Korean GM ladder.
OK. I'm gonna stop talking about Stephano now anyway. We've all had our daily dose of my LR rants anyway.
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Man these college games are boring ...
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On March 18 2012 08:48 SeaSwift wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 08:44 sitromit wrote:On March 18 2012 08:32 chosenkerrigan wrote:On March 18 2012 08:27 Canucklehead wrote:On March 18 2012 08:25 Phobbers wrote:On March 18 2012 08:24 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 18 2012 08:22 DeepElemBlues wrote:
Koreans: 'we greatly respect stephano'
Most posters the last 2 pages or so: Stephano ain't shit those Koreans would roll him EZ PZ
T.T Its becuase they dont understand how a foreigner player can do this without korean training. Stephano got so many koreans fans in the short time when he was in Korea.Play XP was goign crazy about him. All the best Koreans have sayd so many times Stephano is easy a code S player but still people cant belive it. No one said they would roll him ezpz, no one is denying that Stephano is Code S caliber. Stop making things up to support your terrible arguments and bias. I don't think stephano is code s quality. I'd need to see him more against koreans. He's a top foreigner no doubt, and probably best foreigner, but I'm not ready to even call him code A quality yet without more evidence of facing quality opponents. It's hard to define what really is code s-caliber. If you mean he's better than some of the bottom code s players, I agree. Sometimes luck does play an important role in qualifying for Code S. However, if by Code S caliber you mean he's tip top in Korea, it's definitely not true. He never actually played in Code S for a season or two so it's really hard to tell if he actually is that good. Stephano got high on the Korean ladder, what was it, like top 15 or so at its peak, before he quickly dropped down as people got used to his style? People use it as evidence, that he is Code S quality.. There are so many Koreans who've been very high on the ladder, who haven't even been able to make Code A so far... Life, who has been #1 numerous times, and was #1 again for quite a while just recently, bombed out in the Code A qualifiers a couple of weeks ago.. There's nothing to support that Stephano is a Code S level player. The bolded part is pure conjecture/imagination, invented as an explanation for why his winrate went down from ~70% to ~60%. He also never made "Top 15 on ladder" - I don't think he ever made it into GM. Realistically, his winrate dropped mostly because he started facing decent players rather than lower Masters/Diamonds. His style is really only "blind counter"-able in TvZ. In ZvZ... well, it's ZvZ. In PvZ, his style is fairly standard, just with slightly more Roaches and a big Infestor/BL switch later on, which maybe has a timing window when Hive is morphing.
Am I missing the punchline or are you just spewing lies deliberately?
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On March 18 2012 08:50 emraaa wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 08:44 sitromit wrote:On March 18 2012 08:32 chosenkerrigan wrote:On March 18 2012 08:27 Canucklehead wrote:On March 18 2012 08:25 Phobbers wrote:On March 18 2012 08:24 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 18 2012 08:22 DeepElemBlues wrote:
Koreans: 'we greatly respect stephano'
Most posters the last 2 pages or so: Stephano ain't shit those Koreans would roll him EZ PZ
T.T Its becuase they dont understand how a foreigner player can do this without korean training. Stephano got so many koreans fans in the short time when he was in Korea.Play XP was goign crazy about him. All the best Koreans have sayd so many times Stephano is easy a code S player but still people cant belive it. No one said they would roll him ezpz, no one is denying that Stephano is Code S caliber. Stop making things up to support your terrible arguments and bias. I don't think stephano is code s quality. I'd need to see him more against koreans. He's a top foreigner no doubt, and probably best foreigner, but I'm not ready to even call him code A quality yet without more evidence of facing quality opponents. It's hard to define what really is code s-caliber. If you mean he's better than some of the bottom code s players, I agree. Sometimes luck does play an important role in qualifying for Code S. However, if by Code S caliber you mean he's tip top in Korea, it's definitely not true. He never actually played in Code S for a season or two so it's really hard to tell if he actually is that good. Stephano got high on the Korean ladder, what was it, like top 15 or so at its peak, before he quickly dropped down as people got used to his style? People use it as evidence, that he is Code S quality.. There are so many Koreans who've been very high on the ladder, who haven't even been able to make Code A so far... Life, who has been #1 numerous times, and was #1 again for quite a while just recently, bombed out in the Code A qualifiers a couple of weeks ago.. There's nothing to support that Stephano is a Code S level player. theres nothing to support that stephano isnt code s level
all those foreign tourney wins, 70% ratio on korean ladder GM, polt nestea etc all saying he's the best foreigner, a genius etc, raw talent, there is literally nothing i can think of that supports his code S ability, nothing
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On March 18 2012 08:51 Asha` wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 08:49 mememolly wrote:On March 18 2012 08:46 Asha` wrote:On March 18 2012 08:45 Nourek wrote:On March 18 2012 08:43 Asha` wrote:On March 18 2012 08:42 Denzil wrote:On March 18 2012 08:40 MavivaM wrote:
Oh man why do tournaments keep inviting guys like these... a lot of proplayers and they invite ladder warriors.
NesTea MVP MC and 90% of Code S were busy for this event I'd still rather they invited more rising NA prospects than forever average fan favourites though. But I guess it is an easy way to increase your viewer count. I don't think every tournament has to be the best of the best. We already have a lot of these. That's what I'm saying. They invited a couple of lesser known NA based players like Heavens etc, I'd rather see a few more guys like that get a chance than guys you know are likely to exit early but who are just there because they are popular. On March 18 2012 08:46 Denzil wrote:On March 18 2012 08:43 Asha` wrote:On March 18 2012 08:42 Denzil wrote:On March 18 2012 08:40 MavivaM wrote:
Oh man why do tournaments keep inviting guys like these... a lot of proplayers and they invite ladder warriors.
NesTea MVP MC and 90% of Code S were busy for this event I'd still rather they invited more rising NA prospects than forever average fan favourites though. But I guess it is an easy way to increase your viewer count. wat are you suggesting that steven is average? yes? but those unknown na players you are talking about are worse than destiny Really? They perform as well on ladder as he's ever done, a number of them have picked up great wins in clan wars, and most of them are improving and not fairly stagnant. All I'm saying is I'd like to see more people getting a chance at these events and not the same old popular community figures who're never going to do anything get invites over and over.
sounds like you're implying the vilestates are better than destiny yet 1 gets crushed hardcore while the other plays some fucking entertaining games against good opposition
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Let's go Houston. End this series.
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On March 18 2012 08:48 SeaSwift wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 08:44 sitromit wrote:On March 18 2012 08:32 chosenkerrigan wrote:On March 18 2012 08:27 Canucklehead wrote:On March 18 2012 08:25 Phobbers wrote:On March 18 2012 08:24 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 18 2012 08:22 DeepElemBlues wrote:
Koreans: 'we greatly respect stephano'
Most posters the last 2 pages or so: Stephano ain't shit those Koreans would roll him EZ PZ
T.T Its becuase they dont understand how a foreigner player can do this without korean training. Stephano got so many koreans fans in the short time when he was in Korea.Play XP was goign crazy about him. All the best Koreans have sayd so many times Stephano is easy a code S player but still people cant belive it. No one said they would roll him ezpz, no one is denying that Stephano is Code S caliber. Stop making things up to support your terrible arguments and bias. I don't think stephano is code s quality. I'd need to see him more against koreans. He's a top foreigner no doubt, and probably best foreigner, but I'm not ready to even call him code A quality yet without more evidence of facing quality opponents. It's hard to define what really is code s-caliber. If you mean he's better than some of the bottom code s players, I agree. Sometimes luck does play an important role in qualifying for Code S. However, if by Code S caliber you mean he's tip top in Korea, it's definitely not true. He never actually played in Code S for a season or two so it's really hard to tell if he actually is that good. Stephano got high on the Korean ladder, what was it, like top 15 or so at its peak, before he quickly dropped down as people got used to his style? People use it as evidence, that he is Code S quality.. There are so many Koreans who've been very high on the ladder, who haven't even been able to make Code A so far... Life, who has been #1 numerous times, and was #1 again for quite a while just recently, bombed out in the Code A qualifiers a couple of weeks ago.. There's nothing to support that Stephano is a Code S level player. The bolded part is pure conjecture/imagination, invented as an explanation for why his winrate went down from ~70% to ~60%. He also never made "Top 15 on ladder" - I don't think he ever made it into GM. Realistically, his winrate dropped mostly because he started facing decent players rather than lower Masters/Diamonds. His style is really only "blind counter"-able in TvZ. In ZvZ... well, it's ZvZ. In PvZ, his style is fairly standard, just with slightly more Roaches and a big Infestor/BL switch later on, which maybe has a timing window when Hive is morphing.
Yeah yeah, he barely it made into Gold... every time Stephano plays the haters come out in droves... It's my fault actually for reading this thread...
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On March 18 2012 08:44 sitromit wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 08:32 chosenkerrigan wrote:On March 18 2012 08:27 Canucklehead wrote:On March 18 2012 08:25 Phobbers wrote:On March 18 2012 08:24 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 18 2012 08:22 DeepElemBlues wrote:
Koreans: 'we greatly respect stephano'
Most posters the last 2 pages or so: Stephano ain't shit those Koreans would roll him EZ PZ
T.T Its becuase they dont understand how a foreigner player can do this without korean training. Stephano got so many koreans fans in the short time when he was in Korea.Play XP was goign crazy about him. All the best Koreans have sayd so many times Stephano is easy a code S player but still people cant belive it. No one said they would roll him ezpz, no one is denying that Stephano is Code S caliber. Stop making things up to support your terrible arguments and bias. I don't think stephano is code s quality. I'd need to see him more against koreans. He's a top foreigner no doubt, and probably best foreigner, but I'm not ready to even call him code A quality yet without more evidence of facing quality opponents. It's hard to define what really is code s-caliber. If you mean he's better than some of the bottom code s players, I agree. Sometimes luck does play an important role in qualifying for Code S. However, if by Code S caliber you mean he's tip top in Korea, it's definitely not true. He never actually played in Code S for a season or two so it's really hard to tell if he actually is that good. Stephano got high on the Korean ladder, what was it, like top 15 or so at its peak, before he quickly dropped down as people got used to his style? People use it as evidence, that he is Code S quality.. There are so many Koreans who've been very high on the ladder, who haven't even been able to make Code A so far... Life, who has been #1 numerous times, and was #1 again for quite a while just recently, bombed out in the Code A qualifiers a couple of weeks ago.. There's nothing to support that Stephano is a Code S level player.
Top 7. And was 3rd zerg ever who got over 72% win ratio on the korean GM ladder. And he never dropped down he keept going up and up.
You just talking crap you dont even know Stephano it seems like
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CSL starts, views drop by over 10k
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does snixsnipe look exactly like trimaster?
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On March 18 2012 08:48 SeaSwift wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 08:44 sitromit wrote:On March 18 2012 08:32 chosenkerrigan wrote:On March 18 2012 08:27 Canucklehead wrote:On March 18 2012 08:25 Phobbers wrote:On March 18 2012 08:24 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 18 2012 08:22 DeepElemBlues wrote:
Koreans: 'we greatly respect stephano'
Most posters the last 2 pages or so: Stephano ain't shit those Koreans would roll him EZ PZ
T.T Its becuase they dont understand how a foreigner player can do this without korean training. Stephano got so many koreans fans in the short time when he was in Korea.Play XP was goign crazy about him. All the best Koreans have sayd so many times Stephano is easy a code S player but still people cant belive it. No one said they would roll him ezpz, no one is denying that Stephano is Code S caliber. Stop making things up to support your terrible arguments and bias. I don't think stephano is code s quality. I'd need to see him more against koreans. He's a top foreigner no doubt, and probably best foreigner, but I'm not ready to even call him code A quality yet without more evidence of facing quality opponents. It's hard to define what really is code s-caliber. If you mean he's better than some of the bottom code s players, I agree. Sometimes luck does play an important role in qualifying for Code S. However, if by Code S caliber you mean he's tip top in Korea, it's definitely not true. He never actually played in Code S for a season or two so it's really hard to tell if he actually is that good. Stephano got high on the Korean ladder, what was it, like top 15 or so at its peak, before he quickly dropped down as people got used to his style? People use it as evidence, that he is Code S quality.. There are so many Koreans who've been very high on the ladder, who haven't even been able to make Code A so far... Life, who has been #1 numerous times, and was #1 again for quite a while just recently, bombed out in the Code A qualifiers a couple of weeks ago.. There's nothing to support that Stephano is a Code S level player. The bolded part is pure conjecture/imagination, invented as an explanation for why his winrate went down from ~70% to ~60%. He also never made "Top 15 on ladder" - I don't think he ever made it into GM. Realistically, his winrate dropped mostly because he started facing decent players rather than lower Masters/Diamonds. His style is really only "blind counter"-able in TvZ. In ZvZ... well, it's ZvZ. In PvZ, his style is fairly standard, just with slightly more Roaches and a big Infestor/BL switch later on, which maybe has a timing window when Hive is morphing.
No, the account he was playing on was in GM, he did make top 15 or so at some point in Korean GM, but dropped down quite a bit after that. Of course everyone will have their own subjective opinion on why he dropped. I offered one possibility.
In the end, what's more important is that there are a ton of players on Korea, who've struggled making it out of Code B, who have done better than Stephano on ladder.
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On March 18 2012 08:44 sitromit wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 08:32 chosenkerrigan wrote:On March 18 2012 08:27 Canucklehead wrote:On March 18 2012 08:25 Phobbers wrote:On March 18 2012 08:24 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 18 2012 08:22 DeepElemBlues wrote:
Koreans: 'we greatly respect stephano'
Most posters the last 2 pages or so: Stephano ain't shit those Koreans would roll him EZ PZ
T.T Its becuase they dont understand how a foreigner player can do this without korean training. Stephano got so many koreans fans in the short time when he was in Korea.Play XP was goign crazy about him. All the best Koreans have sayd so many times Stephano is easy a code S player but still people cant belive it. No one said they would roll him ezpz, no one is denying that Stephano is Code S caliber. Stop making things up to support your terrible arguments and bias. I don't think stephano is code s quality. I'd need to see him more against koreans. He's a top foreigner no doubt, and probably best foreigner, but I'm not ready to even call him code A quality yet without more evidence of facing quality opponents. It's hard to define what really is code s-caliber. If you mean he's better than some of the bottom code s players, I agree. Sometimes luck does play an important role in qualifying for Code S. However, if by Code S caliber you mean he's tip top in Korea, it's definitely not true. He never actually played in Code S for a season or two so it's really hard to tell if he actually is that good. Stephano got high on the Korean ladder, what was it, like top 15 or so at its peak, before he quickly dropped down as people got used to his style? People use it as evidence, that he is Code S quality.. There are so many Koreans who've been very high on the ladder, who haven't even been able to make Code A so far... Life, who has been #1 numerous times, and was #1 again for quite a while just recently, bombed out in the Code A qualifiers a couple of weeks ago.. There's nothing to support that Stephano is a Code S level player.
Except from him beating a heavy number of Code A players on many online / offline tournaments the last 6 months, and some code S ones in the process as well, no, there isn't...
On korean ladder he was consistently ranked from 7th to 30ish, where 1 or 2 matches can make you win or lose 10 places, with the 2nd or 3rd zerg ratio in the GM league, a ratio that was almost constant through his whole stay in korea (started around 70 % the first days he played masters, stayed around 66% after), he is so bad, I agree 
He is no DRG, he doesn't win everything (tip for you, no SC2 player does), there are quite a few korean players certainly better than him (MMA, Polt, DRG, MC to name a few, probably MKP MVP Alive Genius as well, not very sure about Nestea & Leenock atm), but enough to fill whole code S ? Not so sure...
It depends on what code S level means to you, if it means you can compete in code S, he certainly is, among the top50 players on the planet, if it means you can win it, most probably no, though I think he can take a bo3 of every SC2 player atm.
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On March 18 2012 08:50 emraaa wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 08:44 sitromit wrote:On March 18 2012 08:32 chosenkerrigan wrote:On March 18 2012 08:27 Canucklehead wrote:On March 18 2012 08:25 Phobbers wrote:On March 18 2012 08:24 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 18 2012 08:22 DeepElemBlues wrote:
Koreans: 'we greatly respect stephano'
Most posters the last 2 pages or so: Stephano ain't shit those Koreans would roll him EZ PZ
T.T Its becuase they dont understand how a foreigner player can do this without korean training. Stephano got so many koreans fans in the short time when he was in Korea.Play XP was goign crazy about him. All the best Koreans have sayd so many times Stephano is easy a code S player but still people cant belive it. No one said they would roll him ezpz, no one is denying that Stephano is Code S caliber. Stop making things up to support your terrible arguments and bias. I don't think stephano is code s quality. I'd need to see him more against koreans. He's a top foreigner no doubt, and probably best foreigner, but I'm not ready to even call him code A quality yet without more evidence of facing quality opponents. It's hard to define what really is code s-caliber. If you mean he's better than some of the bottom code s players, I agree. Sometimes luck does play an important role in qualifying for Code S. However, if by Code S caliber you mean he's tip top in Korea, it's definitely not true. He never actually played in Code S for a season or two so it's really hard to tell if he actually is that good. Stephano got high on the Korean ladder, what was it, like top 15 or so at its peak, before he quickly dropped down as people got used to his style? People use it as evidence, that he is Code S quality.. There are so many Koreans who've been very high on the ladder, who haven't even been able to make Code A so far... Life, who has been #1 numerous times, and was #1 again for quite a while just recently, bombed out in the Code A qualifiers a couple of weeks ago.. There's nothing to support that Stephano is a Code S level player. theres nothing to support that stephano isnt code s level
the part of losing to korean terrans do
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