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On February 15 2012 19:48 Hassybaby wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 19:47 FXOpen wrote:On February 15 2012 19:47 bittman wrote:On February 15 2012 19:45 opterown wrote:On February 15 2012 19:45 Shellshock1122 wrote: FXO is such a strong team now O_o. Imagine if Gumiho gets to the finals. 2 straight finals with an FXO player. Has anyone besides IM done that? FXO has 3 players in the top7 TLPD right now... hahaha FXOBoss probably crying tears of joy right now I don't cry tears. I cry blood. The blood of your players' enemies?
The blood of the slain players... Their anguish sustains me.
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On February 15 2012 19:46 PredY wrote: dont understand protoss not getting robo even while getting 3rd nexus..
Same reason why you go 5 gate rather than 3-4 gate robo off of 2 bases. It's an edge that allows you to put more prssure on and be more aggressive. You are also safer against marine timings. I'm not sure what's the terran equivalent. More rax rather than stim or C shield?
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haha now puzzle goes for fast robo
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On February 15 2012 19:48 Bashion wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 19:46 Hassybaby wrote:On February 15 2012 19:44 Bashion wrote:On February 15 2012 19:43 mordk wrote:On February 15 2012 19:36 JJH777 wrote:On February 15 2012 19:35 randomdude123 wrote:On February 15 2012 19:35 JJH777 wrote:On February 15 2012 19:34 randomdude123 wrote: remember when terrans said this protoss build was imba? take notes lol gg wp gumiho. Just because it has a direct counter doesn't mean it isn't imbalanced. There has never been a build where if one player KNEW the other was going to do it it couldn't be countered. 1-1-1? wp. 1-1-1 was never unbeatable if the Protoss 100% knew the Terran was going to do it. It was how hard it was to scout and that if you prepared it for you fell behind that made it imbalanced. Wrong, on Xel'Naga Caverns, Xel'Naga Fortress, and close by air Metalopolis 1-1-1 was impossible to defend even with a full scout. On Crossfire is still almost impossible to beat it. Once they siege on that ramp, is over. Game 8, IM vs MVP last GSTL Thank me later I said almost impossible.
You also said that once you siege on the ramp, its over. MVP did just that and still lost quite convincingly (IMO)
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On February 15 2012 19:47 FXOpen wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 19:47 bittman wrote:On February 15 2012 19:45 opterown wrote:On February 15 2012 19:45 Shellshock1122 wrote: FXO is such a strong team now O_o. Imagine if Gumiho gets to the finals. 2 straight finals with an FXO player. Has anyone besides IM done that? FXO has 3 players in the top7 TLPD right now... hahaha FXOBoss probably crying tears of joy right now I don't cry tears. I cry blood.
Might want to get that checked out.
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On February 15 2012 19:49 Sabu113 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 19:46 PredY wrote: dont understand protoss not getting robo even while getting 3rd nexus.. Same reason why you go 5 gate rather than 3-4 gate robo off of 2 bases. It's an edge that allows you to put more prssure on and be more aggressive. You are also safer against marine timings. I'm not sure what's the terran equivalent. More rax rather than stim or C shield?
4rax before teching up to medivacs i suppose.
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So many artosis pylons :'(
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On February 15 2012 19:49 FXOpen wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 19:48 Hassybaby wrote:On February 15 2012 19:47 FXOpen wrote:On February 15 2012 19:47 bittman wrote:On February 15 2012 19:45 opterown wrote:On February 15 2012 19:45 Shellshock1122 wrote: FXO is such a strong team now O_o. Imagine if Gumiho gets to the finals. 2 straight finals with an FXO player. Has anyone besides IM done that? FXO has 3 players in the top7 TLPD right now... hahaha FXOBoss probably crying tears of joy right now I don't cry tears. I cry blood. The blood of your players' enemies? The blood of the slain players... Their anguish sustains me.
You heard it here first gents
FXOBoss is a Highlander
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Australia18228 Posts
On February 15 2012 19:49 Hassybaby wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 19:48 Bashion wrote:On February 15 2012 19:46 Hassybaby wrote:On February 15 2012 19:44 Bashion wrote:On February 15 2012 19:43 mordk wrote:On February 15 2012 19:36 JJH777 wrote:On February 15 2012 19:35 randomdude123 wrote:On February 15 2012 19:35 JJH777 wrote:On February 15 2012 19:34 randomdude123 wrote: remember when terrans said this protoss build was imba? take notes lol gg wp gumiho. Just because it has a direct counter doesn't mean it isn't imbalanced. There has never been a build where if one player KNEW the other was going to do it it couldn't be countered. 1-1-1? wp. 1-1-1 was never unbeatable if the Protoss 100% knew the Terran was going to do it. It was how hard it was to scout and that if you prepared it for you fell behind that made it imbalanced. Wrong, on Xel'Naga Caverns, Xel'Naga Fortress, and close by air Metalopolis 1-1-1 was impossible to defend even with a full scout. On Crossfire is still almost impossible to beat it. Once they siege on that ramp, is over. Game 8, IM vs MVP last GSTL Thank me later I said almost impossible. You also said that once you siege on the ramp, its over. MVP did just that and still lost quite convincingly (IMO)
I haven't seen the game, but the effectiveness of the 1-1-1 is also based on how fast the Terran pushes. If he goes too slowly, it's pretty easy to break if you get enough zealots, or immortals.
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On February 15 2012 19:46 iamthedave wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 19:45 SolidMustard wrote:aLive you fucking baller! Called it on my liquibet  people need to start to take him serisously, he's in fire. I call first GSL champion of 2012. Foreigner teams fighting, USA USA! He's a Korean.
Nope, American.
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On February 15 2012 19:47 FXOpen wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 19:47 bittman wrote:On February 15 2012 19:45 opterown wrote:On February 15 2012 19:45 Shellshock1122 wrote: FXO is such a strong team now O_o. Imagine if Gumiho gets to the finals. 2 straight finals with an FXO player. Has anyone besides IM done that? FXO has 3 players in the top7 TLPD right now... hahaha FXOBoss probably crying tears of joy right now I don't cry tears. I cry blood.
You may want to cut back the Castlevania
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On February 15 2012 19:51 SolidMustard wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 19:46 iamthedave wrote:On February 15 2012 19:45 SolidMustard wrote:aLive you fucking baller! Called it on my liquibet  people need to start to take him serisously, he's in fire. I call first GSL champion of 2012. Foreigner teams fighting, USA USA! He's a Korean. Nope, American. pretty sure he's korean.
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On February 15 2012 19:49 Teoita wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 19:49 Sabu113 wrote:On February 15 2012 19:46 PredY wrote: dont understand protoss not getting robo even while getting 3rd nexus.. Same reason why you go 5 gate rather than 3-4 gate robo off of 2 bases. It's an edge that allows you to put more prssure on and be more aggressive. You are also safer against marine timings. I'm not sure what's the terran equivalent. More rax rather than stim or C shield? 4rax before teching up to medivacs i suppose.
It doesn't intuitively seem like the risk is quite as great.
Puzzle has the funnniest scouting luck today.
Qxc hyped him up quite a bit so I'm hoping for something from him.
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On February 15 2012 19:50 Inflicted_ wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 19:49 Hassybaby wrote:On February 15 2012 19:48 Bashion wrote:On February 15 2012 19:46 Hassybaby wrote:On February 15 2012 19:44 Bashion wrote:On February 15 2012 19:43 mordk wrote:On February 15 2012 19:36 JJH777 wrote:On February 15 2012 19:35 randomdude123 wrote:On February 15 2012 19:35 JJH777 wrote:On February 15 2012 19:34 randomdude123 wrote: remember when terrans said this protoss build was imba? take notes lol gg wp gumiho. Just because it has a direct counter doesn't mean it isn't imbalanced. There has never been a build where if one player KNEW the other was going to do it it couldn't be countered. 1-1-1? wp. 1-1-1 was never unbeatable if the Protoss 100% knew the Terran was going to do it. It was how hard it was to scout and that if you prepared it for you fell behind that made it imbalanced. Wrong, on Xel'Naga Caverns, Xel'Naga Fortress, and close by air Metalopolis 1-1-1 was impossible to defend even with a full scout. On Crossfire is still almost impossible to beat it. Once they siege on that ramp, is over. Game 8, IM vs MVP last GSTL Thank me later I said almost impossible. You also said that once you siege on the ramp, its over. MVP did just that and still lost quite convincingly (IMO) I haven't seen the game, but the effectiveness of the 1-1-1 is also based on how fast the Terran pushes. If he goes too slowly, it's pretty easy to break if you get enough zealots, or immortals.
Tails did an amazing job of delaying the push every step of the way.
Seriously, go watch the game, and watch the next one as well
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?36919 Posts
On February 15 2012 19:49 Seeker wrote: Puzzle vs  GuMiho on Bel'Shir Beach Winter GuMiho at bottom right Puzzle at top left First 5 minutesGuMiho begins with a wall off Puzzle opens standard GuMiho builds a barracks and flies it over his base and lands it. He's not making units from 2 barracks Puzzle goes for 1 gate double GuMiho decides to lift his barracks back into his base
5 - 10 minutes
GuMiho with a factory
Puzzle getting more gates + robo
GuMiho grabs a bunker at his ramp and is now getting more barracks
Puzzle doing whatever
GuMiho getting reactor hellions GuMiho getting a starport
Puzzle now gets out an observer
GuMiho puts 3 hellions into his medivac
Puzzle moves out with his units
GuMiho approaches the base of Puzzle GuMiho picks up and leaves immediately because of Puzzle's stalkers GuMiho now moves out a bit
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Puzzle is looking a lot better this game.
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