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On March 05 2012 11:17 Angelbelow wrote:
Idiotic comparison. Incontrol is no where near DRG or MMA's level and he never will be. You can literally compare any mid-tier player and a sc2 superstar and you would get the same effect.
Except mid-tier players usually don't have a team house and the salary that Incontrol and Machine have. If they're terrible, always going to be terrible, and don't give a damn about being anything other than terrible then surely they should be fired and someone who actually gives a shit should be given the opportunity to take advantage of the huge amounts of resources that EG are currently squandering.
Western players will never be at the level of top Koreans until they match their work ethic, and Incontrol is setting a pretty piss poor example right now.
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On March 05 2012 11:24 walklightwhat wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2012 11:22 Balgrog wrote:
Lol games are three months old, and no fucks shall be given about this tournament. Is it really that hard to host a live tournament where 3 of the players live in the same house, and the caster also lives in that house....... They aren't 3 months old, as has been said repeatedly.
Yea I just read through the comments but the second part of my statement still stands, How hard would this actually be to have the games casted live? They DO all live in the same house.
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On March 05 2012 11:25 Korelle wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2012 11:17 Angelbelow wrote:
Idiotic comparison. Incontrol is no where near DRG or MMA's level and he never will be. You can literally compare any mid-tier player and a sc2 superstar and you would get the same effect.
Except mid-tier players usually don't have a team house and the salary that Incontrol and Machine have. If they're terrible, always going to be terrible, and don't give a damn about being anything other than terrible then surely they should be fired and someone who actually gives a shit should be given the opportunity to take advantage of the huge amounts of resources that EG are currently squandering. Western players will never be at the level of top Koreans until they match their work ethic, and Incontrol is setting a pretty piss poor example right now.
You can do the same thing with mid-tier Koreans who live in team houses. There is a reason the same players are ALWAYS top 8-16 and some players NEVER make to code A/get past code A.
The entire IM team is a great example of this. They have Nestea, Mvp as their unanimous superstars. And beyond Losira and Seed, who else do they have?
And get this through your thick head, Incontrol generates plenty of traffic for EG and he EASILY justifies whatever they are paying him. You can hate his results or his personality but you would be a damn fool to deny his impact on the sc2 scene.
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On March 05 2012 11:35 Angelbelow wrote:
And get this through your thick head, Incontrol generates plenty of traffic for EG and he EASILY justifies whatever they are paying him. You can hate his results or his personality but you would be a damn fool to deny his impact on the sc2 scene.
First of all: Fuck off.
Second of all: This is a serious problem in the Foreign e-sports scene. It shouldn't matter how many twitter followers you have or how prominently you display your cans of Monster Energy. Results should be the main thing, the ONLY THING, that truly matters in e-sports.
User was warned for this post
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On March 05 2012 11:39 Korelle wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2012 11:35 Angelbelow wrote:
And get this through your thick head, Incontrol generates plenty of traffic for EG and he EASILY justifies whatever they are paying him. You can hate his results or his personality but you would be a damn fool to deny his impact on the sc2 scene. First of all: Fuck off. Second of all: This is a serious problem in the Foreign e-sports scene. It shouldn't matter how many twitter followers you have or how prominently you display your cans of Monster Energy. Results should be the main thing, the ONLY THING, that truly matters in e-sports.
^disagree. Some players are just more marketable, this is shown in a lot of sports, not just esports.
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On March 05 2012 11:39 Korelle wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2012 11:35 Angelbelow wrote:
And get this through your thick head, Incontrol generates plenty of traffic for EG and he EASILY justifies whatever they are paying him. You can hate his results or his personality but you would be a damn fool to deny his impact on the sc2 scene. First of all: Fuck off. Second of all: This is a serious problem in the Foreign e-sports scene. It shouldn't matter how many twitter followers you have or how prominently you display your cans of Monster Energy. Results should be the main thing, the ONLY THING, that truly matters in e-sports.
Hope you've enjoyed your stay here at TL.
Also, results aren't the only thing that matters. Yes, results are a huge part, but having commercial appeal, a fan base, etc. are just as important if not more important in terms of legitimizing eSports. In an existing fan base, results will be one of the hugest factors, but as it stands we need charismatic and appealing people to bring in strangers to the "sport."
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On March 05 2012 11:39 Korelle wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2012 11:35 Angelbelow wrote:
And get this through your thick head, Incontrol generates plenty of traffic for EG and he EASILY justifies whatever they are paying him. You can hate his results or his personality but you would be a damn fool to deny his impact on the sc2 scene. First of all: Fuck off. Second of all: This is a serious problem in the Foreign e-sports scene. It shouldn't matter how many twitter followers you have or how prominently you display your cans of Monster Energy. Results should be the main thing, the ONLY THING, that truly matters in e-sports.
you're so wrong.
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am trying not to read the thread so i can watch to see who wins, but cant find the vods. can anyone find me? will probably scroll through responses using control-f "marvin" to try and find someone who quotes and answers @_@ thanks in advance
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On March 05 2012 11:39 Korelle wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2012 11:35 Angelbelow wrote:
And get this through your thick head, Incontrol generates plenty of traffic for EG and he EASILY justifies whatever they are paying him. You can hate his results or his personality but you would be a damn fool to deny his impact on the sc2 scene. First of all: Fuck off. Second of all: This is a serious problem in the Foreign e-sports scene. It shouldn't matter how many twitter followers you have or how prominently you display your cans of Monster Energy. Results should be the main thing, the ONLY THING, that truly matters in e-sports.
ROFL no
We are not at a point in time where results are the only thing that matters. Geoff provides an incredible ROI for EG because he knows what he is doing. Of all the teams that Intel sponsors, of all the players they sponsor, who did Intel send on eSports behalf? Incontrol. Why? Because he can get the message across. Not many players can do that. So many players just fall flat on their face in that regard.
Incontrol has a huge impact on the scene and if you can't see why that matters, you are short sighted.
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On March 05 2012 11:41 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2012 11:39 Korelle wrote:On March 05 2012 11:35 Angelbelow wrote:
And get this through your thick head, Incontrol generates plenty of traffic for EG and he EASILY justifies whatever they are paying him. You can hate his results or his personality but you would be a damn fool to deny his impact on the sc2 scene. First of all: Fuck off. Second of all: This is a serious problem in the Foreign e-sports scene. It shouldn't matter how many twitter followers you have or how prominently you display your cans of Monster Energy. Results should be the main thing, the ONLY THING, that truly matters in e-sports. ^disagree. Some players are just more marketable, this is shown in a lot of sports, not just esports.
Totally agree, Incontrol is constantly out there in the starcraft 2 scene, Lots of players are really good but you cant really market them very well , even though they bring results.
I also think a lot of people dont understand from the sounds of how much these players practice and put time in growing the scene they have to cut out a lot of other stuff in there life. If people like incontrol or who ever needs to take time off to do some life stuff why hate on them? The games werent horrible , in fact still better than most of the people who watched them soooo if you dont like watching it there were several other streams that were available to watch.
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i'm surprised. incontrol continues to say whatever the fuck he wants, calls people idiots, dumbasses and gets nothing for it while others get warnings/bans. wtf seriously?
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On March 05 2012 11:39 Korelle wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2012 11:35 Angelbelow wrote:
And get this through your thick head, Incontrol generates plenty of traffic for EG and he EASILY justifies whatever they are paying him. You can hate his results or his personality but you would be a damn fool to deny his impact on the sc2 scene. First of all: Fuck off. Second of all: This is a serious problem in the Foreign e-sports scene. It shouldn't matter how many twitter followers you have or how prominently you display your cans of Monster Energy. Results should be the main thing, the ONLY THING, that truly matters in e-sports. User was warned for this post
The only way your second point is true is if there was no money in sc2. Meaning no prize pool in tournaments, no salary from teams, no travel stipends from tournament organizers etc. Only then, would sc2 really be purely about results.
But that's not the reality of the situation because SC2 is a business first. Players who are trying to make a living by being a professional gamer cannot rely purely on results, or tournament winnings. Prize money is too inconsistent and unstable to justify spending 10+ hours a day/7 days a week training.
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On March 05 2012 11:30 Balgrog wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2012 11:24 walklightwhat wrote:On March 05 2012 11:22 Balgrog wrote:
Lol games are three months old, and no fucks shall be given about this tournament. Is it really that hard to host a live tournament where 3 of the players live in the same house, and the caster also lives in that house....... They aren't 3 months old, as has been said repeatedly. Yea I just read through the comments but the second part of my statement still stands, How hard would this actually be to have the games casted live? They DO all live in the same house.
except not all of them are at the same house all the time -_- IdrA + Huk recently in Korea, but also flying around the world recently
...and there are always a lot of issues and delays potentially there when casting live instead of off replays (bet you would berate them for delays if IdrA was taking a piss or something; or if they got BNet-fucked)
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I really enjoy Beyond Gaming's site.
The whole system of getting credits to bid on gear is quite awesome.
Thank you for hosting this mini tourny!
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On March 05 2012 11:25 Korelle wrote:
Except mid-tier players usually don't have a team house and the salary that Incontrol and Machine have. If they're terrible, always going to be terrible, and don't give a damn about being anything other than terrible then surely they should be fired and someone who actually gives a shit should be given the opportunity to take advantage of the huge amounts of resources that EG are currently squandering.
Western players will never be at the level of top Koreans until they match their work ethic, and Incontrol is setting a pretty piss poor example right now.
And Korean SC2 teams will never have the resources or funds that EG has until their players get off their asses and start doing as much work as InControl does.
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tbh tho the fact that it's not live is disappointing.. i realize it's tough to schedule when people are all over the case, but i figured that for this one time special event for team eg all these players would make themselves available... i actually assumed it was live, i think the same assumption was made by a lot of people, and a lot of those people are probably disappointed as well.. i even saw incontrol streaming while the team eg event was live and figured it was him playing his sets, however i didn't check the stream to see.. i hope he wasn't just streaming ladder or something...
tldr: thought it was live, wasn't, much less good.
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On March 05 2012 11:25 Korelle wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2012 11:17 Angelbelow wrote:
Idiotic comparison. Incontrol is no where near DRG or MMA's level and he never will be. You can literally compare any mid-tier player and a sc2 superstar and you would get the same effect.
Except mid-tier players usually don't have a team house and the salary that Incontrol and Machine have. If they're terrible, always going to be terrible, and don't give a damn about being anything other than terrible then surely they should be fired and someone who actually gives a shit should be given the opportunity to take advantage of the huge amounts of resources that EG are currently squandering. Western players will never be at the level of top Koreans until they match their work ethic, and Incontrol is setting a pretty piss poor example right now.
you dont know what incontrol earns, what part of that is for playing and what part is for hiis work with the sponsors, and pretty much every korean team has a house where their b teamers practice even if they are just punching bags for a teamers.
you can make comments about other stuff all you want but really cant say someone is overpaid if we dont know how much they make.
On March 05 2012 11:39 Korelle wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2012 11:35 Angelbelow wrote:
And get this through your thick head, Incontrol generates plenty of traffic for EG and he EASILY justifies whatever they are paying him. You can hate his results or his personality but you would be a damn fool to deny his impact on the sc2 scene. First of all: Fuck off. Second of all: This is a serious problem in the Foreign e-sports scene. It shouldn't matter how many twitter followers you have or how prominently you display your cans of Monster Energy. Results should be the main thing, the ONLY THING, that truly matters in e-sports. User was warned for this post
its a nice ideal but at the end of the day, money is what pays for these leagues and these players. and sponsors dont care about winning they care about exposure. does playing more games by winning earlier rounds help exposure? sure. but im pretty sure hosting a weekly podcast with 10k+ viewers is actually more important to them.
id love for the best players to get the most money, but thats just not how it is.
On March 05 2012 11:04 Ipp wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2012 11:02 DwD wrote:
3 months old games? Teh fuck? Well fuck that. IdrA and HuK talked about the match against Alive which is relatively recent (I think 3 weeks?). Additionally, it seemed like HuK/IdrA hadn't played against anyone else from their chit-chat so I don't think all the games are this old.
idra never said he hadnt played anyone, only huk. it kinda implied idra had played someone. not suprising since idra has iem this week, probably wanted to do the showmatches for next week so he could rest after iem.
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Seriously...?
Incontrol takes this ez.
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On March 05 2012 10:23 TotalBiscuit wrote:
These are the same kind of people that get mad about cheese. ie. they have no understanding of the competitive mindset.
Not really. Didn't think you'd resort to fallacies.
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Can't speak for Machine but Incontrol will be around for along time since hes a marketable personality... he should have quit playing way back when Nazgul beat him in the HDH but hey hes a competitor and will probably continue to try and perform better but in the end hes the type of person EGs sponsors want similar to Catz on Complexity.
The community can't get made at him they made him.
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