This week of Playhem's showmatch series brings EGiNcontroL vs QxGDestiny! Don't forget to tune in to what's sure to be an epic series and let us know who you'd like to see next week :D
I never thought I'd say this but I think Destiny will take this no problem. He's been playing super well recently. But I hope i"m wrong, I love Inc. :D
Well Incontrol's been playing good lately, but mostly good PvT his PvZ looks a bit shakey. But he's been playing a lot more than Destiny. I'm guessing 4-2 Incontrol
In perspective tokoreans they are so bad that we simply dismiss the both of them at any tourney, but the two against eachother is actually too close to call. I think destiny will win though simply because he sometimes is clever in his games which i see much less in incontrols
If InControl practiced anti-muta play then the edge should be his. But either way it should actually be an entertaining series -- wish they would commentate it themselves.
I have a feeling the chatter will be more entertaining than the games, but I'm still looking forward to what crazy builds they've got planned for each other.
Destiny recently beat MaNa, HasuObs and Choya, all of whom are better than iNcontroL. Destiny's LoL playing obviously isn't detracting from his skill if his recent wins are anything to go by.
On February 12 2012 17:52 RPR_Tempest wrote: Destiny recently beat MaNa, HasuObs and Choya, all of whom are better than iNcontroL. Destiny's LoL playing obviously isn't detracting from his skill if his recent wins are anything to go by.
And ZvP has been his past matchup ever since mass Infestor begun getting figured out in ZvT.
This should be an easy win for Destiny, but to be honest I don't know if Incontrol has improved recently. Still, if his gameplay has stayed at a similiar level to before Destiny should barely lose a game.
Not voting because I think the games will be good doesn't matter who wins. Also playhem should let them talk to eachother for more shits and giggles =p
Will definetly watch long showmatches are very fun to watch. I have no idea who is gona win but Im picking destiny cuz I feel like he has been playing better, plus he has OP zerg on his side so.
lololol maybe if this was LoL Geoff would be in trouble, but I think destiny has given up on SC2, maybe after spending time in korea and realizing he will never be that good.
On February 12 2012 20:01 Balgrog wrote: lololol maybe if this was LoL Geoff would be in trouble, but I think destiny has given up on SC2, maybe after spending time in korea and realizing he will never be that good.
Incontrol's winrates are all sub 40%. Ironically, Destiny's vT and vZ are sub 40%, but his vP his > 50%. They are both extremely average pros, but if you were to go completely off form and make an objective analysis, Destiny has this game very easily in the bag, with the evidence being his recent victories over Choya, Hasuobs and Mana. The last time Incontrol beat a Zerg in a BoX series in June last year, and the last time he took a game off a Zerg (all of this according to TLPD...) was in a Bo3 loss to Strifecro at Providence...
Someone should really add a note at the start of any thread involving Destiny saying 'he is a 1000 ELO LoL player, equivalent of Bronze sc2 league. He does not play the game seriously.'
These posts about him switching are getting increasingly annoying.
From watching his stream he actually seems to be taking LoL kind of seriously and tries to improve. It's pretty normal that he'd only be 1000 elo as he's only played like 300 games of it so he's not all that good at it yet. However he still seems to try o.O
Still yeah he's like a thousand years away from going semipro in LoL if that's what his plan would eventually be, the game's got such a high general skill level that it'll probably take him quite a while longer. But yeah he's played some SC2 recently as well and from what I've seen on his stream his play's not gotten any worse from playing LoL so he should definitely be the favorite here.
On February 12 2012 21:04 Trowa127 wrote: 300 games is a lot of games for a pro rts player to be 1000 ELO. Just sayin. But as I said he'll take this his ZvP style is extremely abusive.
Well it's a knowledge-based game and tech skill doesn't translate over nearly at all. I've watched like every time he's played LoL and at the start he wasn't even lasthitting properly, however as he's playing with his higher skilled friends he seems to always ask questions and want to learn. He seems to curse / flame his team an awful lot if he's not taking the game seriously so I dunno. I'd say recently his tech skill has become better but again he doesn't seem to have a whole lot of game sense in LoL and also his teamfighting seems really lackluster
Not like that has anything to do with anything >_> But I'm not buying that he's just trolling etc. as it really looks to me like he's trying to win each game. However he probably isn't heavily investing in it as he hasn't asked for coaching or read many guides etc. so I'm not sure..
On February 12 2012 21:04 Trowa127 wrote: 300 games is a lot of games for a pro rts player to be 1000 ELO. Just sayin. But as I said he'll take this his ZvP style is extremely abusive.
Well it's a knowledge-based game and tech skill doesn't translate over nearly at all. I've watched like every time he's played LoL and at the start he wasn't even lasthitting properly, however as he's playing with his higher skilled friends he seems to always ask questions and want to learn. He seems to curse / flame his team an awful lot if he's not taking the game seriously so I dunno. I'd say recently his tech skill has become better but again he doesn't seem to have a whole lot of game sense in LoL and also his teamfighting seems really lackluster
Not like that has anything to do with anything >_> But I'm not buying that he's just trolling etc. as it really looks to me like he's trying to win each game. However he probably isn't heavily investing in it as he hasn't asked for coaching or read many guides etc. so I'm not sure..
What I meant is that mechanical skill and decision making alone with a decent team comp would get him pretty far once he knows the basic. I don't know, I've got about 500 games played and I'm sitting at 1500, and my knowledge of the game is poor and I'm only diamond on sc2. I see what you mean though.
It just annoys me a tad that people think he could just switch and be competetive at LoL straight away. Kinda says something about the misconceptions regarding LoL's difficulty in the sc2 community >_>
On February 12 2012 21:04 Trowa127 wrote: 300 games is a lot of games for a pro rts player to be 1000 ELO. Just sayin. But as I said he'll take this his ZvP style is extremely abusive.
Well it's a knowledge-based game and tech skill doesn't translate over nearly at all. I've watched like every time he's played LoL and at the start he wasn't even lasthitting properly, however as he's playing with his higher skilled friends he seems to always ask questions and want to learn. He seems to curse / flame his team an awful lot if he's not taking the game seriously so I dunno. I'd say recently his tech skill has become better but again he doesn't seem to have a whole lot of game sense in LoL and also his teamfighting seems really lackluster
Not like that has anything to do with anything >_> But I'm not buying that he's just trolling etc. as it really looks to me like he's trying to win each game. However he probably isn't heavily investing in it as he hasn't asked for coaching or read many guides etc. so I'm not sure..
What I meant is that mechanical skill and decision making alone with a decent team comp would get him pretty far once he knows the basic. I don't know, I've got about 500 games played and I'm sitting at 1500, and my knowledge of the game is poor and I'm only diamond on sc2. I see what you mean though.
It just annoys me a tad that people think he could just switch and be competetive at LoL straight away. Kinda says something about the misconceptions regarding LoL's difficulty in the sc2 community >_>
to be honest, if you are smart and understand the concept of the range of any champs abilities (which are mostly the same) I think it would take you about 200 games to get 1.8k elo where people are still piss poor bad (my elo)
On February 12 2012 21:04 Trowa127 wrote: 300 games is a lot of games for a pro rts player to be 1000 ELO. Just sayin. But as I said he'll take this his ZvP style is extremely abusive.
Well it's a knowledge-based game and tech skill doesn't translate over nearly at all. I've watched like every time he's played LoL and at the start he wasn't even lasthitting properly, however as he's playing with his higher skilled friends he seems to always ask questions and want to learn. He seems to curse / flame his team an awful lot if he's not taking the game seriously so I dunno. I'd say recently his tech skill has become better but again he doesn't seem to have a whole lot of game sense in LoL and also his teamfighting seems really lackluster
Not like that has anything to do with anything >_> But I'm not buying that he's just trolling etc. as it really looks to me like he's trying to win each game. However he probably isn't heavily investing in it as he hasn't asked for coaching or read many guides etc. so I'm not sure..
What I meant is that mechanical skill and decision making alone with a decent team comp would get him pretty far once he knows the basic. I don't know, I've got about 500 games played and I'm sitting at 1500, and my knowledge of the game is poor and I'm only diamond on sc2. I see what you mean though.
It just annoys me a tad that people think he could just switch and be competetive at LoL straight away. Kinda says something about the misconceptions regarding LoL's difficulty in the sc2 community >_>
to be honest, if you are smart and understand the concept of the range of any champs abilities (which are mostly the same) I think it would take you about 200 games to get 1.8k elo where people are still piss poor bad (my elo)
200 games from a scratch, really? I mean it took even Chu who was an amazing HoN player, from the same genre, over 500 games to reach those elos, and if we're talking from a scratch... no
But yeah it's kind of annoying people think that the game's a joke and a SC2 pro could just switch over and dominate, yupyup. But by the way as I said destiny's been improving a ton recently and I think with a bit more he should actually start climbing the ladder pretty heavily, he still is pretty bad with lasthitting and teamfighting but he has a pretty good idea of the general map objectives and concepts and that's the most important thing.
I really would like it though if Destiny sleeped, I mean he said he'd quit after the next game like an hour ago and if he just doesn't sleep he's going to play horribly in this showmatch and that would really suck
On February 12 2012 21:04 Trowa127 wrote: 300 games is a lot of games for a pro rts player to be 1000 ELO. Just sayin. But as I said he'll take this his ZvP style is extremely abusive.
Well it's a knowledge-based game and tech skill doesn't translate over nearly at all. I've watched like every time he's played LoL and at the start he wasn't even lasthitting properly, however as he's playing with his higher skilled friends he seems to always ask questions and want to learn. He seems to curse / flame his team an awful lot if he's not taking the game seriously so I dunno. I'd say recently his tech skill has become better but again he doesn't seem to have a whole lot of game sense in LoL and also his teamfighting seems really lackluster
Not like that has anything to do with anything >_> But I'm not buying that he's just trolling etc. as it really looks to me like he's trying to win each game. However he probably isn't heavily investing in it as he hasn't asked for coaching or read many guides etc. so I'm not sure..
What I meant is that mechanical skill and decision making alone with a decent team comp would get him pretty far once he knows the basic. I don't know, I've got about 500 games played and I'm sitting at 1500, and my knowledge of the game is poor and I'm only diamond on sc2. I see what you mean though.
It just annoys me a tad that people think he could just switch and be competetive at LoL straight away. Kinda says something about the misconceptions regarding LoL's difficulty in the sc2 community >_>
to be honest, if you are smart and understand the concept of the range of any champs abilities (which are mostly the same) I think it would take you about 200 games to get 1.8k elo where people are still piss poor bad (my elo)
200 games from a scratch, really? I mean it took even Chu who was an amazing HoN player, from the same genre, over 500 games to reach those elos, and if we're talking from a scratch... no
But yeah it's kind of annoying people think that the game's a joke and a SC2 pro could just switch over and dominate, yupyup. But by the way as I said destiny's been improving a ton recently and I think with a bit more he should actually start climbing the ladder pretty heavily, he still is pretty bad with lasthitting and teamfighting but he has a pretty good idea of the general map objectives and concepts and that's the most important thing.
I really would like it though if Destiny sleeped, I mean he said he'd quit after the next game like an hour ago and if he just doesn't sleep he's going to play horribly in this showmatch and that would really suck
yeah, there are more examples of people switching taking more than that
i guess what i meant was "play at that level" instead of "reach that level" if you understand what i mean
and i also didn't mean to bash any moba, i have played 2k+ lol games 500 hon and over 100 dota 2 now, so if anything i would be bashing myself haha
AFAIK, destiny practices on the KR server whereas incontrol plays on NA. Also destiny has a winning record against incontrol. So I think destiny should win, even if he spends an inordinate amount of time playing LoL.
On February 12 2012 17:18 Empirimancer wrote: InControl's got this, Destiny doesn't even play SC2 these days.
Destiny has recently beaten Choya and Hasuobs, both better protoss than Incontrol. He definitely has a shot. It should be a close and fun showmatch
Choya dt rushes every game, he's not that good. Incontrol has been practicing alot and getting better, so he's probably at least as good as Hasuobs, who is a good protoss.
On February 12 2012 17:18 Empirimancer wrote: InControl's got this, Destiny doesn't even play SC2 these days.
Destiny has recently beaten Choya and Hasuobs, both better protoss than Incontrol. He definitely has a shot. It should be a close and fun showmatch
Choya dt rushes every game, he's not that good. Incontrol has been practicing alot and getting better, so he's probably at least as good as Hasuobs, who is a good protoss.
I would not say Incontrol is as good as Hasuobs yet, because Hasuobs appears to be slumping at the moment (poor showings at HSC and Kiev). Still, Incontrol seems to be getting better. I guess a lot of people underrate him because most of what we saw of Incontrol's play last year was at MLGs, where the pool seeding put him against players that were just levels above him, and not surprisingly he performed horribly. He is not a top foreigner by any means, but he is still a pro level player.
completely un-skill related i think destiny will win incontrol is my favourite pro-gamer, but destiny uses a really broken build in ZvP and even though geoff will know its coming it'll still to be so hard for him to stop!
On February 12 2012 17:18 Empirimancer wrote: InControl's got this, Destiny doesn't even play SC2 these days.
Destiny has recently beaten Choya and Hasuobs, both better protoss than Incontrol. He definitely has a shot. It should be a close and fun showmatch
Choya dt rushes every game, he's not that good. Incontrol has been practicing alot and getting better, so he's probably at least as good as Hasuobs, who is a good protoss.
♥ inControL but he's been practicing with Destiny and knows of Destiny's bullshit muta-spinecrawler play so I'm not sure why he'd subject himself to this. Oh well, free 50 bucks or 100 bucks for him either way... so I guess it's win/win. Go incontrol.
On February 13 2012 01:08 ThatGuy89 wrote: completely un-skill related i think destiny will win incontrol is my favourite pro-gamer, but destiny uses a really broken build in ZvP and even though geoff will know its coming it'll still to be so hard for him to stop!
Yeah, so broken that zergs don't even use it in code S, because it is just unfair.
On February 13 2012 01:08 ThatGuy89 wrote: completely un-skill related i think destiny will win incontrol is my favourite pro-gamer, but destiny uses a really broken build in ZvP and even though geoff will know its coming it'll still to be so hard for him to stop!
Yeah, so broken that zergs don't even use it in code S, because it is just unfair.
Some people...
Agreed 100%. The build looks pretty fragile, and probably doesn't even work on most maps.
I think inControl will win. His PvZ strat of 4 gate-stargate off of two base is strong, and Destiny seems to be struggling with the PvZ matchup.
But I hope to see both play many more practice games for the upcoming season. This is from an outside perspective, so most likely I'm completely wrong. But i think part of starcraft ii is mechanics that are developed through playing hundreds and hundreds of games. While I know both probably play a ton of customs/ have smurfs/ other stuff, I get a bit sad as a fan of both players when I see how many ladder wins (and therefore a rough estimate of how many games they've played in season 5) that both have played.
can't wait for this, also I would highly appreciate if any moderators of the playhemtv channel could unban me from twitch chat. I promise i will stop trolling
well imo this will be interested only for fans, altho i love inco, he and destiny are quite low range players, especially destiny who honestly talking is really only in a team because of his fan base.
IMO iNco has this something like 4-2 if destiny plays at his best shape.
Oummmm, i think overall, Destiny is a better player, but the DT rushes from Incontrol should work well against the broodlord rushes of Destiny. It all will come to a race between Destiny's hive and Incontrol DT tech
The last 4-3 was, imo, an ugly kind of fluke. I mean, that was back when Destiny's only two ZvP strategies were 2 base infestor timing into double expand and fake infestors into 3 base muta. iNcontroL ripped the Muta play to shreds and was on the cusp of beating Destiny's infestor style even though he had no prior experience with it...
Both players are a helluva lot better at the game, so much so that the actual results of this are just about unknowable. But to be honest, I've always felt that iNcontroL has been the better player over all.
On February 13 2012 01:08 ThatGuy89 wrote: completely un-skill related i think destiny will win incontrol is my favourite pro-gamer, but destiny uses a really broken build in ZvP and even though geoff will know its coming it'll still to be so hard for him to stop!
Yeah, so broken that zergs don't even use it in code S, because it is just unfair.
Some people...
yea beacuse incontrol is as good as all the code S toss players
some people....
what destiny does takes very little skil, he even said so himself, and idiot can do it. And on some maps it will be so dam hard to deal with
On February 12 2012 17:18 Empirimancer wrote: InControl's got this, Destiny doesn't even play SC2 these days.
Destiny has recently beaten Choya and Hasuobs, both better protoss than Incontrol. He definitely has a shot. It should be a close and fun showmatch
Don't forget Mana.
Choya? He doesn't even practice full time... Oh, and the game wasn't exactly an eye opener... Choya has a TERRIBLE record vs Zerg anyways... His best match up has always been PvT by far.
The game between Destiny and Hasuobs was pretty pathetic, Hasuobs did a 8:30 Void Ray warp tech pressure that needed to do damage or make certain he could expand... he did neither then transitioned into a poor army mixture and died...
The game versus Mana, who used to be notorious for his utterly terrible PvZ, was the current PvZ conundrum, what the hell do you do if you open Robo while the Zerg goes fast 3 base Muta? Nobody has really found a consistent answer to it imho.
I wouldn't be suprised if destiny takes a map (or 2), but this looks like a pretty simple win for iNc; destiny doens't really play that much anymore and incontrol is playing better than ever. Coupled with the current metagame, I don't really think destiny has much of a chance. Should be OK to watch, though
InControl will execute a timing attack to kill Destiny before mutas come out. If he breaks the spines, he wins. Otherwise he'll lose to the Mass Muta style (Not sure how well incontrol can deal with destiny's muta style)
mutas are tough but I am looking forward to the experience of playing against them with something on the line and people watching! This kind of event helps for the bigger ones.
maps are better for protoss, but i still think destiny will win 4-3 hes playing really well lately.. 4-2 if he uses mouse wheel trick to cast infestors :D
$50 for second? I feel like both players would show up for a 150/0 split which I think is a bit more exciting myself. I just think its interesting to have a 2nd place prize for a 2 person match. DESTINY FIGHTING!!
Stats from the last 6 months. Even though Destiny had some freewins in the matches i think 65% winrate vs 15% winrate speaks for itself. I wouldnt hesitate betting even money that incontrol wont win more than one map vs destiny. Destiny Incontrol
On February 13 2012 08:37 Namenlos wrote: Stats from the last 6 months. Even though Destiny had some freewins in the matches i think 65% winrate vs 15% winrate speaks for itself. I wouldnt hesitate betting even money that incontrol wont win more than one map vs destiny. Destiny Incontrol
Don't let stats deceive you man, Destiny plays in a lot more smaller tournaments with a lot more weak players. The last time they played a Bo7 it was 4-3 Destiny, so don't count Incontrol out.
But the last pretty recent wins against Choya, HasuObs and MaNa are quite impressive and they are anything else than weak players. He only lost against Mook on the KR Server(?) and vs Grubby 2:1 from his recent PvZs.
On February 13 2012 08:37 Namenlos wrote: Stats from the last 6 months. Even though Destiny had some freewins in the matches i think 65% winrate vs 15% winrate speaks for itself. I wouldnt hesitate betting even money that incontrol wont win more than one map vs destiny. Destiny Incontrol
On February 13 2012 08:52 iNcontroL wrote: I take that bet, 100$?
Hm despite that its never a good idea to bet against someone with way more information than yourself i would do $20. Do you know anyone who escrows and is able to recieve the money on pokerstars?
And to clarify its a livecast, the games are not played yet, right?
WHAT? you said you wouldn't hesitate? Money shouldn't be an issue and no I don't have pokerstars.. 100$ via paypal (what everyone uses) take it since you are so confident.
On February 13 2012 08:52 iNcontroL wrote: I take that bet, 100$?
Hm despite that its never a good idea to bet against someone with way more information than yourself i would do $20. Do you know anyone who escrows and is able to recieve the money on pokerstars?
And to clarify its a livecast, the games are not played yet, right?
Yes the games will be played live and all that pretty stuff. Nobody likes watching replays.
Just because I think its a profitable bet i wont do any amount, especially if you have more information than me. You dont need ps, just the escrower. There should be plenty Canadians etc who use it and are willing to escrow. I dont have any money on paypal and credit cards are not that common in Europe, so I cant get money instantly on paypal.
WHAT? you said you wouldn't hesitate? Money shouldn't be an issue and no I don't have pokerstars.. 100$ via paypal (what everyone uses) take it since you are so confident.
WHAT? you said you wouldn't hesitate? Money shouldn't be an issue and no I don't have pokerstars.. 100$ via paypal (what everyone uses) take it since you are so confident.
On February 13 2012 09:10 Namenlos wrote: Just because I think its a profitable bet i wont do any amount, especially if you have more information than me. You dont need ps, just the escrower. There should be plenty Canadians etc who use it and are willing to escrow. I dont have any money on paypal and credit cards are not that common in Europe, so I cant get money instantly on paypal.
Rofl man up Bro. 100 bucks isnt much at all considering how confident you sound. You talk trash on incontrol, he is willing to take your bet. Just do it. "Lol Incontrol blows i'd bet money he'd lose" before he reads it, then "Omg only 20 im not so sure" after he calls you out? lame
someone take incontrol's bet, the chance he guna lose 4-0 is extremely high.. no offence dude cause i actually love you, but your games arnt the best, ( but i do hope u win)
On February 13 2012 09:10 Namenlos wrote: Just because I think its a profitable bet i wont do any amount, especially if you have more information than me. You dont need ps, just the escrower. There should be plenty Canadians etc who use it and are willing to escrow. I dont have any money on paypal and credit cards are not that common in Europe, so I cant get money instantly on paypal.
Rofl man up Bro. 100 bucks isnt much at all considering how confident you sound. You talk trash on incontrol, he is willing to take your bet. Just do it. "Lol Incontrol blows i'd bet money he'd lose" before he reads it, then "Omg only 20 im not so sure" after he calls you out? lame
Lame indeed, although I think that's iNcontrol's point. People will say anything on a forum, but it's only because they can hide behind internet anonymity. You see this type of thing all the time on teamliquid and reddit (and every internet forum ever), but I haven't actually seen anyone call someone out on it like this. I wish more people did though, cause it's fun to watch 'em squirm!
On February 13 2012 09:19 ydeer1993 wrote: someone take incontrol's bet, the chance he guna lose 4-0 is extremely high.. no offence dude cause i actually love you, but your games arnt the best, ( but i do hope u win)
On February 13 2012 09:19 ydeer1993 wrote: someone take incontrol's bet, the chance he guna lose 4-0 is extremely high.. no offence dude cause i actually love you, but your games arnt the best, ( but i do hope u win)
Lol you take it then. ez money right?
Prove em all wrong Incontrol
bit pointless betting against someone Im rooting for, but theres enough incontrol haters for someone to get this bet going
On February 13 2012 09:19 ydeer1993 wrote: someone take incontrol's bet, the chance he guna lose 4-0 is extremely high.. no offence dude cause i actually love you, but your games arnt the best, ( but i do hope u win)
I wouldnt be so sure, I watched a whole lot of his streamed ladder and EG practice games during the last days and I´d say hes definately up there with the others in EG practice, which would be qxc, ret and players from vvv. He got great gamesense and his decision-making improved a whole lot. If it was TvP I´d be sure Incontrol would take this against someone Destiny-level, as his TvP really is top notch by now. PvZ I´m not so sure, but I still think it´s going to be at least a close call. As pointed out already a couple of times in this thread, Destiny is playing a whole lot of LoL at the time, and cutting back on Starcraft-practice shows itsself quite quickly.
If Incontrol has 35% winrate vs destiny its even money, its not an extreme prediction. Everyone who says 4-0 is extremly likely has way less faith in incontrols winrate than me. I dont see why i get shit talked for that. I did not trash talk incontrol, i just gave a prediction. If there are so much people who wanna see that bet going why did i not get a pm from an escrow.
This thread's got me thinking. Is there any reputable website or organization that takes real money bets on Starcraft? GSL would be even more entertaining if I had 20 bucks on the finals.
Meh, maybe if it was about a win or a lose. Betting that it's going to be 4-1 or 4-0 in a Bo7 even if he only has 25% chance to win per game is still an unprofitable play and hence I wouldn't make it - SC2 has too many luck factors for me to do that.
Then there's the thing that I by principle don't bet but
On February 13 2012 09:35 Namenlos wrote: If Incontrol has 35% winrate vs destiny its even money, its not an extreme prediction. Everyone who says 4-0 is extremly likely has way less faith in incontrols winrate than me. I dont see why i get shit talked for that. I did not trash talk incontrol, i just gave a prediction. If there are so much people who wanna see that bet going why did i not get a pm from an escrow.
Paypal you whimp. Incontrol is good for his word, hes a figure of the community hes not gonna cheat you. You're the one whos afraid here.
On February 13 2012 09:33 TotalBiscuit wrote: Namenlos almost made this thread interesting but pussied out. I'll take the bet, what good is this thread without a little drama?
On February 13 2012 09:37 SlackerSC wrote: This thread's got me thinking. Is there any reputable website or organization that takes real money bets on Starcraft? GSL would be even more entertaining if I had 20 bucks on the finals.
pinnaclesports.com is the only one I know of, but usually it is only GSL and larger tournaments like IEM, MLG, DH, i4x, HSC, etc. Sometimes smaller leagues and showmatches are there too, but not this one.
I feel Incontrol is a favorite in this match, but only slight. It all depends how well he deals with Destiny's mass muta +spine style. He has seen it in practice so I expect him to have prepared some strong timings before critical mass muta hits, and to have some idea when attacking a wall of spines is ok and when it is not. Too many people seem to be surprised and just try to base race into the spines.
On February 13 2012 09:35 Namenlos wrote: If Incontrol has 35% winrate vs destiny its even money, its not an extreme prediction. Everyone who says 4-0 is extremly likely has way less faith in incontrols winrate than me. I dont see why i get shit talked for that. I did not trash talk incontrol, i just gave a prediction. If there are so much people who wanna see that bet going why did i not get a pm from an escrow.
Too bad you don't know the meaning of the words "wouldn't hesitate."
Seems like you DID hesitate once actually called out.
On February 13 2012 10:18 MrDudeMan wrote: The stream is so laggy, its unbearable. Twitch streams have been like this all day....
It lags for me on anything but 720p+ oddly. I think something is wrong with the downsampling.
Edit: spines are not invincible, it would seem.
It lags for me on every quality, it sucks so bad.
From what I saw incontrol seems like hes got the muta defense down. I'm not too surprised since destiny basically told him how to beat it two days ago or so, hopefully destiny has another strat planned.
I hope incontrol puts destiny down so we can forget about this bm idiot. Playing korean ladder and calling Puzzle "fucking dog eater" is just too much.
I think that was way too much sentries. I can see how they would work if he engaged in a choke, but with destinys creep so spread he would have done better if he teched. Good job by destiny though! Nice to see something other than mutas and spine crawlers.
On February 13 2012 10:29 SirBlackJack wrote: I hope incontrol puts destiny down so we can forget about this bm idiot. Playing korean ladder and calling Puzzle "fucking dog eater" is just too much.
O.O He said that? Mind PMing me a pic (if there is one ofc!)?
What kind of a build was that O.o 1 gate expand at 6:10 mark? He could have made a push like that at the 8-9 minute mark with a 3 gate expand (with the same economy). Can anyone elaborate on what geoff was trying to do with that build? Seems really sub-optimal.
On February 13 2012 10:34 EnderCraft wrote: What kind of a build was that O.o 1 gate expand at 6:10 mark? He could have made a push like that at the 8-9 minute mark with a 3 gate expand (with the same economy). Can anyone elaborate on what geoff was trying to do with that build? Seems really sub-optimal.
With this build he can warp in twice the units. Because of the ling run by and the mass roach we never saw this. His build was countered early so it looks bad. If desteny did not make mass roach and did not alack early it would look the other way round.
On February 13 2012 10:49 tomatriedes wrote: Why you no make robo incontrol?
Destiny focused it down while it was building, but IDK why he didn't try to rebuild. Probably just didn't have time because the infestors were occupying his base from that point forward.
On February 13 2012 10:48 architecture wrote: How is it that massing a flexible unit like Infestor ZvP is OK, but massing ghost TvZ is completely broken?
The infestors would have been useless if incontrol had 1 observer. That game is very very different from a typical ZvP
On February 13 2012 10:48 architecture wrote: How is it that massing a flexible unit like Infestor ZvP is OK, but massing ghost TvZ is completely broken?
If I had to hazard a guess, I would say it's because to stop infestors from doing what just happened you simply build a robo or some photon cannons and to keep ghosts from doing what they do requires not building any tier 3 units at all?
Destiny made a smart call. Saw that incontrol committed to double stargate and knew there we no observers in sight. Even if inc made enough cannons to see the burrow at hit nat, the DPS of infested terrans would still obliterate the cannon line. Really smart play
It was an awkward spot to engage. He saw the broodlords then vortexed without thinking about how he had to run archons around that ramp right by the infestors. I don't necessarily fault iNcontroL, he saw an opportunity and it didn't work out. iNcontroL is still doing really well though.
On February 13 2012 11:17 Shikyo wrote: Destiny's got nice micro but his macro seems quite a bit worse than I remember, is it just me? Why would it be like this?
I noticed this too, I guess that's what all of his LoL playing has done for him.
On February 13 2012 11:11 TotalBiscuit wrote: Come on Destiny, I want that sweet EG money!
IDK if you guys did a seperate bet through PMs, but the other guy was betting that InControl wouldn't take a single game. From what I read I was under the impression that you were taking that bet.
On February 13 2012 11:11 TotalBiscuit wrote: Come on Destiny, I want that sweet EG money!
IDK if you guys did a seperate bet through PMs, but the other guy was betting that InControl wouldn't take a single game. From what I read I was under the impression that you were taking that bet.
The other guy said "he won't win more than one map", which is the bet I took.
On February 13 2012 11:11 TotalBiscuit wrote: Come on Destiny, I want that sweet EG money!
IDK if you guys did a seperate bet through PMs, but the other guy was betting that InControl wouldn't take a single game. From what I read I was under the impression that you were taking that bet.
The other guy said "he won't win more than one map", which is the bet I took.
Casters kind of going overboard on that force field that InControl put down as his sentry was dying. It looked like it was there to protect the probes from more speedlings possibly running in.
On February 13 2012 11:17 Shikyo wrote: Destiny's got nice micro but his macro seems quite a bit worse than I remember, is it just me? Why would it be like this?
I noticed this too, I guess that's what all of his LoL playing has done for him.
People saying this seem retarded. His macro was always not his strong point, you can go back to any point in his career and see that. Also he plays much more SC2 than LoL, its just that he plays LoL in the evening and SC2 in the morning.
Casters are making me want to cave my head in. They miss half the important action and talk as though 4 gate stargate +1 push is something new and amazing...
4 gate Stargate NEVER has a warp prism or +2 weapons with it. They call robo tech while watching a second cybernetics come up. They call a 6:10 third "very fast" when it's a Zerg playing against a forge expo. They nitpick on void ray micro and ignore the map vision and spreads.
I feel like a whiner. I love listening to Husky and Catspajamas... but this is just too much.
>.<
Usually I would pipe in and say that they've got great enthusiasm in trying to hype up games that are already over... but I can't really bring myself to believe they can even tell sometimes.
God... I'm such a whiner tonight...
EDIT: On a different note, I feel like Destiny's only really "won" the baneling bust game so far. All of the other games have either been iNcontroL losing after getting a lead via dumb decision making or simply outplaying Destiny completely.
There has been too many times where iNcontroL seems like he just stops paying attention to his units when he could be focusing down a certain building or units. If he cleans that up he would be really impressive.
....gonna say it again...Destiny hasn't improved much...relying on a gimmick build every game...muta's...just like when infestors were op...all he went was infestors...
:\ it saddens me watching Destiny playing like this...must say tho...Incontrol looking like a baws <3
On February 13 2012 11:47 HuKPOWA wrote: ....gonna say it again...Destiny hasn't improved much...relying on a gimmick build every game...muta's...just like when infestors were op...all he went was infestors...
:\ it saddens me watching Destiny playing like this...must say tho...Incontrol looking like a baws <3
LoL doesnt help your SC2 skills!!!!!!!
How dare players use the build they think will win them the game. This is a gentleman's game!
On February 13 2012 11:47 HuKPOWA wrote: ....gonna say it again...Destiny hasn't improved much...relying on a gimmick build every game...muta's...just like when infestors were op...all he went was infestors...
:\ it saddens me watching Destiny playing like this...must say tho...Incontrol looking like a baws <3
LoL doesnt help your SC2 skills!!!!!!!
How dare players use the build they think will win them the game. This is a gentleman's game!
Destiny hasn't done his infamous 2 base infestor timing in ANY of these games... What in the hell is HuKPOWA talking about?
On February 13 2012 11:47 HuKPOWA wrote: ....gonna say it again...Destiny hasn't improved much...relying on a gimmick build every game...muta's...just like when infestors were op...all he went was infestors...
:\ it saddens me watching Destiny playing like this...must say tho...Incontrol looking like a baws <3
LoL doesnt help your SC2 skills!!!!!!!
Mutas aren't really a gimmick build, they've been proven time and time again that they can be effective. It's not like you are relying on your opponent not scouting or anything.
It's also not like he was just massing infestors because they were some beyond godly unit. He was using them because they were an excellent counter to the build that every single protoss was going..
People seem to have no comprehension of just how far ahead incontrol is. Look at the money, look at his production. He is putting on a show. You think he would be messing around making Carriers if he thought he was in trouble? He could lose his maxed army 5 times over and be fine.
On February 13 2012 11:56 Exarl25 wrote: People seem to have no comprehension of just how far ahead incontrol is. Look at the money, look at his production. He is putting on a show. You think he would be messing around making Carriers if he thought he was in trouble? He could lose his maxed army 5 times over and be fine.
the sad thing is he most likely isn't putting on a show.
On February 13 2012 11:56 The KY wrote: I'm pretty sure this is a piss take because it's a showmatch and Inc wouldn't play like this in a tournament game.
On February 13 2012 11:56 The KY wrote: I'm pretty sure this is a piss take because it's a showmatch and Inc wouldn't play like this in a tournament game.
Pretty sure.
Yeah I agree. Might be trying to annoy Destiny to put him on tilt too. Definitely not a serious game though.
On February 13 2012 11:56 Exarl25 wrote: People seem to have no comprehension of just how far ahead incontrol is. Look at the money, look at his production. He is putting on a show. You think he would be messing around making Carriers if he thought he was in trouble? He could lose his maxed army 5 times over and be fine.
the sad thing is he most likely isn't putting on a show.
he built carriers. that is all you need to see to prove he's putting on a show. he would have just remaxed on Templar and archons is he wanted to win right away
Inside joke for the 20k people who watch State of the Game?
Man when casters show how little they care about SC2 I get really turned off. These guys know nothing about the scene and yet have jobs talking about it.
On February 13 2012 12:03 SimDawg wrote: Inside joke for the 20k people who watch State of the Game?
Man when casters show how little they care about SC2 I get really turned off. These guys know nothing about the scene and yet have jobs talking about it.
How can you say that they know nothing about the scene because they don't know about one joke? Maybe they missed SotG this week. Maybe they just don't watch it (it's a pretty big time investment). Whatever the case, your comment is completely ridiculous.
On February 13 2012 12:03 SimDawg wrote: Inside joke for the 20k people who watch State of the Game?
Man when casters show how little they care about SC2 I get really turned off. These guys know nothing about the scene and yet have jobs talking about it.
How can you say that they know nothing about the scene because they don't know about one joke? Maybe they missed SotG this week. Maybe they just don't watch it (it's a pretty big time investment). Whatever the case, your comment is completely ridiculous.
On February 13 2012 12:03 SimDawg wrote: Inside joke for the 20k people who watch State of the Game?
Man when casters show how little they care about SC2 I get really turned off. These guys know nothing about the scene and yet have jobs talking about it.
How can you say that they know nothing about the scene because they don't know about one joke? Maybe they missed SotG this week. Maybe they just don't watch it (it's a pretty big time investment). Whatever the case, your comment is completely ridiculous.
they're quite oblivious about the game as well...
That's a different complaint and not what I was responding to. Anyway, I don't think they're 'oblivious'. I think they're not Artosis or Wolf.
On February 13 2012 12:03 SimDawg wrote: Inside joke for the 20k people who watch State of the Game?
Man when casters show how little they care about SC2 I get really turned off. These guys know nothing about the scene and yet have jobs talking about it.
How can you say that they know nothing about the scene because they don't know about one joke? Maybe they missed SotG this week. Maybe they just don't watch it (it's a pretty big time investment). Whatever the case, your comment is completely ridiculous.
Its one of the most watched SOTG episodes ever.
I don't watch Day9, I still get many many references regarding his show, and I've seen the important episodes.
Do these little piddly casters need to watch SOTG? Nope.
On February 13 2012 12:11 iNcontroL wrote: caught my army broadside takinga 3rd on that map is impossible imo gg's!
Its called Duel Sight. It means all you should see is 2 base all ins as protoss. There is no shame, because your not taking that third...(stupid map pool)
Great games! Keep it up, we don't see enough of you!
Big upset. Geoff is way better then destiny. Saddening to see this. And dual sight for a game 7 ? Nice... lets let the most important match be on the most zerg favored map.
On February 13 2012 12:18 QxGRockEr wrote: Big upset. Geoff is way better then destiny. Saddening to see this. And dual sight for a game 7 ? Nice... lets let the most important match be on the most zerg favored map.
This isn't the only series where Destiny has beat Incontrol.
On February 13 2012 12:18 QxGRockEr wrote: Big upset. Geoff is way better then destiny. Saddening to see this. And dual sight for a game 7 ? Nice... lets let the most important match be on the most zerg favored map.
No I think Destiny has a slight edge on Geoff, and the first map was on Shak.
On February 13 2012 12:18 QxGRockEr wrote: Big upset. Geoff is way better then destiny. Saddening to see this. And dual sight for a game 7 ? Nice... lets let the most important match be on the most zerg favored map.
No I think Destiny has a slight edge on Geoff, and the first map was on Shak.
Destiny used to have edge, these days I'd say Inc is much better.
On February 13 2012 12:18 QxGRockEr wrote: Big upset. Geoff is way better then destiny. Saddening to see this. And dual sight for a game 7 ? Nice... lets let the most important match be on the most zerg favored map.
LOL your logic is amazing. Geoff > Destiny but loses a bo7 where he could have finished before a ace game if he was better than him. yeah ok. Not even mentioning all the other times destiny has beaten incontrol in showmatches
On February 13 2012 12:18 QxGRockEr wrote: Big upset. Geoff is way better then destiny. Saddening to see this. And dual sight for a game 7 ? Nice... lets let the most important match be on the most zerg favored map.
It was loser's choice from the map pool, not preset for each match. Destiny had the choice so of course he picks a zerg-favored map. I do agree though that Geoff performed under his level tonight. Still very entertaining games for the most part!
On February 13 2012 12:18 QxGRockEr wrote: Big upset. Geoff is way better then destiny. Saddening to see this. And dual sight for a game 7 ? Nice... lets let the most important match be on the most zerg favored map.
On February 13 2012 12:18 QxGRockEr wrote: Big upset. Geoff is way better then destiny. Saddening to see this. And dual sight for a game 7 ? Nice... lets let the most important match be on the most zerg favored map.
Yea i agree with you i always thought incontroll is different calibber of a player. Destiny was more like a semi level pro in my eyes, apparently i was wrong about one of those.
On February 13 2012 12:18 QxGRockEr wrote: Big upset. Geoff is way better then destiny. Saddening to see this. And dual sight for a game 7 ? Nice... lets let the most important match be on the most zerg favored map.
calm before the storm? you act like these were all zerg favored maps
On February 13 2012 12:18 QxGRockEr wrote: Big upset. Geoff is way better then destiny. Saddening to see this. And dual sight for a game 7 ? Nice... lets let the most important match be on the most zerg favored map.
On February 13 2012 12:18 QxGRockEr wrote: Big upset. Geoff is way better then destiny. Saddening to see this. And dual sight for a game 7 ? Nice... lets let the most important match be on the most zerg favored map.
No results in OP that I can see, and there is no results on the preview screen... Change atleast one of them imo, maybe the preview screen. I don't use sound majority of time I watch SC2, so it'd be nice to always have something up telling the score
On February 13 2012 12:18 QxGRockEr wrote: Big upset. Geoff is way better then destiny. Saddening to see this. And dual sight for a game 7 ? Nice... lets let the most important match be on the most zerg favored map.
Shakura's is favored map for Protoss. More of those maps favor Protoss than Zerg, no reason to whine about maps. Yes though, the order of maps was kinda shitty, but Shakura's was second to last, which favors Protoss easily
On February 13 2012 12:18 QxGRockEr wrote: Big upset. Geoff is way better then destiny. Saddening to see this. And dual sight for a game 7 ? Nice... lets let the most important match be on the most zerg favored map.
pretty sad how neither of these players really play in many playhems; and if they did, prolly wouldnt make it to the finals yet get a featured showcase by playhem
On February 13 2012 12:42 KoDo wrote: pretty sad how neither of these players really play in many playhems; and if they did, prolly wouldnt make it to the finals yet get a featured showcase by playhem
It was a showmatch with a shitload of viewers, it sure paid off for Playhem.
On February 13 2012 12:42 KoDo wrote: pretty sad how neither of these players really play in many playhems; and if they did, prolly wouldnt make it to the finals yet get a featured showcase by playhem
As stated above, over 11,000 people tuned in to the last game of the series alone.
Since Playhem is a business more than anything, I'd say that a two-hour long showmatch series doesn't hurt.
On February 13 2012 12:42 KoDo wrote: pretty sad how neither of these players really play in many playhems; and if they did, prolly wouldnt make it to the finals yet get a featured showcase by playhem
Destiny plays in some playhems, and they are obviously very popular players.
What was iNcontrol talking about PuMa qualifying for? I thought he was talking about MLG Winter Arena, but he didn't even play in the Korean qualifier, and isn't listed to play in the NA qualifier.
On February 13 2012 12:18 QxGRockEr wrote: Big upset. Geoff is way better then destiny. Saddening to see this. And dual sight for a game 7 ? Nice... lets let the most important match be on the most zerg favored map.
not exactly sure where you came up with "Geoff is way better than destiny"
that might have been true when SC2 was first released, but to my knowledge, Destiny is 2-0 in show matches so far against Incontrol
the first took place in August 2011 and Destiny won 4-3
On February 13 2012 12:18 QxGRockEr wrote: Big upset. Geoff is way better then destiny. Saddening to see this. And dual sight for a game 7 ? Nice... lets let the most important match be on the most zerg favored map.
not exactly sure where you came up with "Geoff is way better than destiny"
that might have been true when SC2 was first released, but to my knowledge, Destiny is 2-0 in show matches so far against Incontrol
the first took place in August 2011 and Destiny won 4-3
On February 13 2012 12:18 QxGRockEr wrote: Big upset. Geoff is way better then destiny. Saddening to see this. And dual sight for a game 7 ? Nice... lets let the most important match be on the most zerg favored map.
not exactly sure where you came up with "Geoff is way better than destiny"
that might have been true when SC2 was first released, but to my knowledge, Destiny is 2-0 in show matches so far against Incontrol
the first took place in August 2011 and Destiny won 4-3
On February 13 2012 12:18 QxGRockEr wrote: Big upset. Geoff is way better then destiny. Saddening to see this. And dual sight for a game 7 ? Nice... lets let the most important match be on the most zerg favored map.
not exactly sure where you came up with "Geoff is way better than destiny"
that might have been true when SC2 was first released, but to my knowledge, Destiny is 2-0 in show matches so far against Incontrol
the first took place in August 2011 and Destiny won 4-3
Lol, well that was a funny series. Very low/mid-masterish gameplay by both parties. One could question whether they take this whole progaming stuff seriously or not. :p
I want Playhem to organize some proper showmatches between good top-notch players, as they clearly have the money to do so.
On February 13 2012 20:53 namste wrote: Lol, well that was a funny series. Very low/mid-masterish gameplay by both parties. One could question whether they take this whole progaming stuff seriously or not. :p
I want Playhem to organize some proper showmatches between good top-notch players, as they clearly have the money to do so.
Im sure you got it all figured out on whos low or mid masters and whos a top notch player.
On February 13 2012 20:53 namste wrote: Lol, well that was a funny series. Very low/mid-masterish gameplay by both parties. One could question whether they take this whole progaming stuff seriously or not. :p
I want Playhem to organize some proper showmatches between good top-notch players, as they clearly have the money to do so.
Im sure you got it all figured out on whos low or mid masters and whos a top notch player.
Yep I do, I'm available for consult in case Playhem needs some assistance in picking these showmatches.
On February 13 2012 20:16 Odal wrote: Is Destiny even practicing sc2 anymore?
Of course he is. Why shouldn't he? He said plain and simple on the stream that he got bored of sc2 a while and started playing something else just to clear his mind from sc2. But hes playing it again so...
very good series loved incontrols play style i have seen him do that pylon cannon expo thing befor it looks very good, did not get ti see the last game tho =(
On February 13 2012 12:18 QxGRockEr wrote: Big upset. Geoff is way better then destiny. Saddening to see this. And dual sight for a game 7 ? Nice... lets let the most important match be on the most zerg favored map.
Shakura's is favored map for Protoss. More of those maps favor Protoss than Zerg, no reason to whine about maps. Yes though, the order of maps was kinda shitty, but Shakura's was second to last, which favors Protoss easily
iNcontroL beat himself in that set. He's not a strong gateway timing player but he tried them anyway. Was a good watch, though.
And namste, so you know: Destiny is GM and iNcontroL is top of his masters. Neither are "low-mid masters" players and both are top notch recognizable NA players. If you want Huk or Idra to play these, well, Idra charges $300 an hour to coach. A $100 showmatch where he has to wake up at around 4am to play, I doubt he'll be all that interested in.
Destiny does practice SC2. He doesn't stream it as much (think too many stream snipers and cheaters for him to enjoy it). I think he does LoL as a hobby in that, he puts in his 8-10 hours of work then unwinds with LoL. Or takes the occasional day off of SC2 and spends that time playing LoL.
I really hate people that bash players like this. It makes no sense. No one is putting a gun to anyone's head and forcing them to watch players they obviously don't like. Don't like, don't watch, QQ less.
On February 13 2012 22:22 ki11z0ne wrote: very good series loved incontrols play style i have seen him do that pylon cannon expo thing befor it looks very good, did not get ti see the last game tho =(
I think that only works if the zerg doesn't pay any attention at all. It's pretty ridiculous that Destiny was able to win game (1 or 2...I forget after having cannons behind his natural expo.
On February 13 2012 11:43 ShatterZer0 wrote: Casters are making me want to cave my head in. They miss half the important action and talk as though 4 gate stargate +1 push is something new and amazing...
4 gate Stargate NEVER has a warp prism or +2 weapons with it. They call robo tech while watching a second cybernetics come up. They call a 6:10 third "very fast" when it's a Zerg playing against a forge expo. They nitpick on void ray micro and ignore the map vision and spreads.
I feel like a whiner. I love listening to Husky and Catspajamas... but this is just too much.
>.<
Usually I would pipe in and say that they've got great enthusiasm in trying to hype up games that are already over... but I can't really bring myself to believe they can even tell sometimes.
God... I'm such a whiner tonight...
EDIT: On a different note, I feel like Destiny's only really "won" the baneling bust game so far. All of the other games have either been iNcontroL losing after getting a lead via dumb decision making or simply outplaying Destiny completely.
Some of your critique is noted and makes sense. But we said multiple times that 4 gate stargate +1 push was becoming a very standard thing for protoss to do in the current meta game where zerg takes an early third. Not everyone is on top of SC2 constantly and to you and me it might seem as if this build has been around forever, but to others that might be different.
About the warp prism play you're quite right, you (practically) never see a 4gate stargate with a warp prism. I confused and mixed up words/builds there for a minute. I was going to get at warp prism pressure ive seen Liquid'Hero utilize and after that wanted to get back to 4 gate stargate which (depending on scouting) can be followed up by a Robo into colossi (JYP does this alot) Sometimes I want to share so many stories about things I have seen done, the stories get mixed up in eachother a little :D
Thanks for your feedback though, nice to hear some constructive negative feedback (:
On February 13 2012 22:59 lavit2099 wrote: iNcontroL beat himself in that set. He's not a strong gateway timing player but he tried them anyway. Was a good watch, though.
And namste, so you know: Destiny is GM and iNcontroL is top of his masters. Neither are "low-mid masters" players and both are top notch recognizable NA players. If you want Huk or Idra to play these, well, Idra charges $300 an hour to coach. A $100 showmatch where he has to wake up at around 4am to play, I doubt he'll be all that interested in.
Destiny does practice SC2. He doesn't stream it as much (think too many stream snipers and cheaters for him to enjoy it). I think he does LoL as a hobby in that, he puts in his 8-10 hours of work then unwinds with LoL. Or takes the occasional day off of SC2 and spends that time playing LoL.
I really hate people that bash players like this. It makes no sense. No one is putting a gun to anyone's head and forcing them to watch players they obviously don't like. Don't like, don't watch, QQ less.
Both Destiny and iNcontroL have GM accounts, this including seasons 3 and 4 seeing as season 5 is just a cluster of nothing am, and multiple Master's accounts with GM mmr.
On February 13 2012 11:43 ShatterZer0 wrote: Casters are making me want to cave my head in. They miss half the important action and talk as though 4 gate stargate +1 push is something new and amazing...
4 gate Stargate NEVER has a warp prism or +2 weapons with it. They call robo tech while watching a second cybernetics come up. They call a 6:10 third "very fast" when it's a Zerg playing against a forge expo. They nitpick on void ray micro and ignore the map vision and spreads.
I feel like a whiner. I love listening to Husky and Catspajamas... but this is just too much.
>.<
Usually I would pipe in and say that they've got great enthusiasm in trying to hype up games that are already over... but I can't really bring myself to believe they can even tell sometimes.
God... I'm such a whiner tonight...
EDIT: On a different note, I feel like Destiny's only really "won" the baneling bust game so far. All of the other games have either been iNcontroL losing after getting a lead via dumb decision making or simply outplaying Destiny completely.
Some of your critique is noted and makes sense. But we said multiple times that 4 gate stargate +1 push was becoming a very standard thing for protoss to do in the current meta game where zerg takes an early third. Not everyone is on top of SC2 constantly and to you and me it might seem as if this build has been around forever, but to others that might be different.
About the warp prism play you're quite right, you (practically) never see a 4gate stargate with a warp prism. I confused and mixed up words/builds there for a minute. I was going to get at warp prism pressure ive seen Liquid'Hero utilize and after that wanted to get back to 4 gate stargate which (depending on scouting) can be followed up by a Robo into colossi (JYP does this alot) Sometimes I want to share so many stories about things I have seen done, the stories get mixed up in eachother a little :D
Thanks for your feedback though, nice to hear some constructive negative feedback (:
Thanks for the almost weirdly polite response! I wrote this halfway through the fourth game in a drunken frenzy so don't take too much away from it
Casting is a confusing job, shuffling between background info, anecdotes, analysis, and play by play... So... keep on getting more awesome!
On February 13 2012 22:59 lavit2099 wrote: iNcontroL beat himself in that set. He's not a strong gateway timing player but he tried them anyway. Was a good watch, though.
And namste, so you know: Destiny is GM and iNcontroL is top of his masters. Neither are "low-mid masters" players and both are top notch recognizable NA players. If you want Huk or Idra to play these, well, Idra charges $300 an hour to coach. A $100 showmatch where he has to wake up at around 4am to play, I doubt he'll be all that interested in.
Destiny does practice SC2. He doesn't stream it as much (think too many stream snipers and cheaters for him to enjoy it). I think he does LoL as a hobby in that, he puts in his 8-10 hours of work then unwinds with LoL. Or takes the occasional day off of SC2 and spends that time playing LoL.
I really hate people that bash players like this. It makes no sense. No one is putting a gun to anyone's head and forcing them to watch players they obviously don't like. Don't like, don't watch, QQ less.
Both Destiny and iNcontroL have GM accounts, this including seasons 3 and 4 seeing as season 5 is just a cluster of nothing am, and multiple Master's accounts with GM mmr.
On February 13 2012 22:59 lavit2099 wrote: iNcontroL beat himself in that set. He's not a strong gateway timing player but he tried them anyway. Was a good watch, though.
And namste, so you know: Destiny is GM and iNcontroL is top of his masters. Neither are "low-mid masters" players and both are top notch recognizable NA players. If you want Huk or Idra to play these, well, Idra charges $300 an hour to coach. A $100 showmatch where he has to wake up at around 4am to play, I doubt he'll be all that interested in.
Destiny does practice SC2. He doesn't stream it as much (think too many stream snipers and cheaters for him to enjoy it). I think he does LoL as a hobby in that, he puts in his 8-10 hours of work then unwinds with LoL. Or takes the occasional day off of SC2 and spends that time playing LoL.
I really hate people that bash players like this. It makes no sense. No one is putting a gun to anyone's head and forcing them to watch players they obviously don't like. Don't like, don't watch, QQ less.
Both Destiny and iNcontroL have GM accounts, this including seasons 3 and 4 seeing as season 5 is just a cluster of nothing am, and multiple Master's accounts with GM mmr.
I'm not surprised. I was just going by what I see from their streams on the accounts they use there.
In other news, getting hit in Bronze by one of Destiny's accounts (one of the ROOTDestiny ones) is rather disheartening. I don't need pro smurfs (who, btw, 10 pooled and ling/bane all-in'd me) when I'm still trying to learn this darned game!
On February 13 2012 22:59 lavit2099 wrote: iNcontroL beat himself in that set. He's not a strong gateway timing player but he tried them anyway. Was a good watch, though.
And namste, so you know: Destiny is GM and iNcontroL is top of his masters. Neither are "low-mid masters" players and both are top notch recognizable NA players. If you want Huk or Idra to play these, well, Idra charges $300 an hour to coach. A $100 showmatch where he has to wake up at around 4am to play, I doubt he'll be all that interested in.
Destiny does practice SC2. He doesn't stream it as much (think too many stream snipers and cheaters for him to enjoy it). I think he does LoL as a hobby in that, he puts in his 8-10 hours of work then unwinds with LoL. Or takes the occasional day off of SC2 and spends that time playing LoL.
I really hate people that bash players like this. It makes no sense. No one is putting a gun to anyone's head and forcing them to watch players they obviously don't like. Don't like, don't watch, QQ less.
Both Destiny and iNcontroL have GM accounts, this including seasons 3 and 4 seeing as season 5 is just a cluster of nothing am, and multiple Master's accounts with GM mmr.
If you are GM on NA it means nothing.
I hate people with this attitude. It's that type of comment that doesn't add anything to the discussion and is, quite frankly, insulting to NA players for no good reason.
On February 13 2012 11:43 ShatterZer0 wrote: Casters are making me want to cave my head in. They miss half the important action and talk as though 4 gate stargate +1 push is something new and amazing...
4 gate Stargate NEVER has a warp prism or +2 weapons with it. They call robo tech while watching a second cybernetics come up. They call a 6:10 third "very fast" when it's a Zerg playing against a forge expo. They nitpick on void ray micro and ignore the map vision and spreads.
I feel like a whiner. I love listening to Husky and Catspajamas... but this is just too much.
>.<
Usually I would pipe in and say that they've got great enthusiasm in trying to hype up games that are already over... but I can't really bring myself to believe they can even tell sometimes.
God... I'm such a whiner tonight...
EDIT: On a different note, I feel like Destiny's only really "won" the baneling bust game so far. All of the other games have either been iNcontroL losing after getting a lead via dumb decision making or simply outplaying Destiny completely.
Some of your critique is noted and makes sense. But we said multiple times that 4 gate stargate +1 push was becoming a very standard thing for protoss to do in the current meta game where zerg takes an early third. Not everyone is on top of SC2 constantly and to you and me it might seem as if this build has been around forever, but to others that might be different.
About the warp prism play you're quite right, you (practically) never see a 4gate stargate with a warp prism. I confused and mixed up words/builds there for a minute. I was going to get at warp prism pressure ive seen Liquid'Hero utilize and after that wanted to get back to 4 gate stargate which (depending on scouting) can be followed up by a Robo into colossi (JYP does this alot) Sometimes I want to share so many stories about things I have seen done, the stories get mixed up in eachother a little :D
Thanks for your feedback though, nice to hear some constructive negative feedback (:
Nice to see casters take constructive feedback seriously and try to defend their positions at the time. I'm sure there is a balancing act between following the pace of the action and adding their own insights/predictions of the game.
A forge fast expand is still a "fast expand" no matter how common it is, so I think a 6:10 third is still "very fast" albeit not totally uncommon these days.
On February 13 2012 22:59 lavit2099 wrote: iNcontroL beat himself in that set. He's not a strong gateway timing player but he tried them anyway. Was a good watch, though.
And namste, so you know: Destiny is GM and iNcontroL is top of his masters. Neither are "low-mid masters" players and both are top notch recognizable NA players. If you want Huk or Idra to play these, well, Idra charges $300 an hour to coach. A $100 showmatch where he has to wake up at around 4am to play, I doubt he'll be all that interested in.
Destiny does practice SC2. He doesn't stream it as much (think too many stream snipers and cheaters for him to enjoy it). I think he does LoL as a hobby in that, he puts in his 8-10 hours of work then unwinds with LoL. Or takes the occasional day off of SC2 and spends that time playing LoL.
I really hate people that bash players like this. It makes no sense. No one is putting a gun to anyone's head and forcing them to watch players they obviously don't like. Don't like, don't watch, QQ less.
Both Destiny and iNcontroL have GM accounts, this including seasons 3 and 4 seeing as season 5 is just a cluster of nothing am, and multiple Master's accounts with GM mmr.
If you are GM on NA it means nothing.
It means that you're not mid or low masters, which was the point....
On February 13 2012 22:59 lavit2099 wrote: iNcontroL beat himself in that set. He's not a strong gateway timing player but he tried them anyway. Was a good watch, though.
And namste, so you know: Destiny is GM and iNcontroL is top of his masters. Neither are "low-mid masters" players and both are top notch recognizable NA players. If you want Huk or Idra to play these, well, Idra charges $300 an hour to coach. A $100 showmatch where he has to wake up at around 4am to play, I doubt he'll be all that interested in.
Destiny does practice SC2. He doesn't stream it as much (think too many stream snipers and cheaters for him to enjoy it). I think he does LoL as a hobby in that, he puts in his 8-10 hours of work then unwinds with LoL. Or takes the occasional day off of SC2 and spends that time playing LoL.
I really hate people that bash players like this. It makes no sense. No one is putting a gun to anyone's head and forcing them to watch players they obviously don't like. Don't like, don't watch, QQ less.
Both Destiny and iNcontroL have GM accounts, this including seasons 3 and 4 seeing as season 5 is just a cluster of nothing am, and multiple Master's accounts with GM mmr.
If you are GM on NA it means nothing.
It means that you're not mid or low masters, which was the point....
Being GM on NA DOES mean something. It means you are pretty good. Being a player of the caliber of these two means you are better than that. If they were not good enough to make GM level on NA then I would be more worried for their careers.
On February 13 2012 22:59 lavit2099 wrote: iNcontroL beat himself in that set. He's not a strong gateway timing player but he tried them anyway. Was a good watch, though.
And namste, so you know: Destiny is GM and iNcontroL is top of his masters. Neither are "low-mid masters" players and both are top notch recognizable NA players. If you want Huk or Idra to play these, well, Idra charges $300 an hour to coach. A $100 showmatch where he has to wake up at around 4am to play, I doubt he'll be all that interested in.
Destiny does practice SC2. He doesn't stream it as much (think too many stream snipers and cheaters for him to enjoy it). I think he does LoL as a hobby in that, he puts in his 8-10 hours of work then unwinds with LoL. Or takes the occasional day off of SC2 and spends that time playing LoL.
I really hate people that bash players like this. It makes no sense. No one is putting a gun to anyone's head and forcing them to watch players they obviously don't like. Don't like, don't watch, QQ less.
Both Destiny and iNcontroL have GM accounts, this including seasons 3 and 4 seeing as season 5 is just a cluster of nothing am, and multiple Master's accounts with GM mmr.
If you are GM on NA it means nothing.
I hate people with this attitude. It's that type of comment that doesn't add anything to the discussion and is, quite frankly, insulting to NA players for no good reason.
It's kind of true though, even most pros share this opinion.
On February 13 2012 22:59 lavit2099 wrote: iNcontroL beat himself in that set. He's not a strong gateway timing player but he tried them anyway. Was a good watch, though.
And namste, so you know: Destiny is GM and iNcontroL is top of his masters. Neither are "low-mid masters" players and both are top notch recognizable NA players. If you want Huk or Idra to play these, well, Idra charges $300 an hour to coach. A $100 showmatch where he has to wake up at around 4am to play, I doubt he'll be all that interested in.
Destiny does practice SC2. He doesn't stream it as much (think too many stream snipers and cheaters for him to enjoy it). I think he does LoL as a hobby in that, he puts in his 8-10 hours of work then unwinds with LoL. Or takes the occasional day off of SC2 and spends that time playing LoL.
I really hate people that bash players like this. It makes no sense. No one is putting a gun to anyone's head and forcing them to watch players they obviously don't like. Don't like, don't watch, QQ less.
Both Destiny and iNcontroL have GM accounts, this including seasons 3 and 4 seeing as season 5 is just a cluster of nothing am, and multiple Master's accounts with GM mmr.
If you are GM on NA it means nothing.
It means that you're not mid or low masters, which was the point....
Being GM on NA DOES mean something. It means you are pretty good. Being a player of the caliber of these two means you are better than that. If they were not good enough to make GM level on NA then I would be more worried for their careers.
On February 13 2012 20:53 namste wrote: Lol, well that was a funny series. Very low/mid-masterish gameplay by both parties. One could question whether they take this whole progaming stuff seriously or not. :p
I want Playhem to organize some proper showmatches between good top-notch players, as they clearly have the money to do so.
Im sure you got it all figured out on whos low or mid masters and whos a top notch player.
Yep I do, I'm available for consult in case Playhem needs some assistance in picking these showmatches.
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