The Korean bracket of the Winter Online Qualifiers begins tonight, Friday, Feb 10 12:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) on MLG.tv. Day 1 will feature matches from the early rounds of the tournament. Day 2 will feature four Winners Bracket matches, with the four winners qualifying for the MLG Winter Arena. Day 3 will feature four Losers Bracket matches that will decide the final four qualifiers from the region. Day 4 will feature the Winners Finals, Losers Semis and Finals, and Grand Finals of the bracket-- to determine seeding at the MLG Winter Arena.
As always, the OQs are broadcast in up to 720p and are free to everyone. VOD will go up immediately following the broadcast and can be found at the MLG VOD site.
Also, don't forget, NA Winter Arena Online qualifiers air next week:
North American Ladder: • Thursday, Feb 16 • Friday, Feb 17 • Saturday, Feb 18 • Sunday, Feb 19
The Winter Online Qualifiers are just the beginning of the 2012 Winter season. The Top 8 finishers from each of the MLG Winter Regional Online Qualifiers will continue on and join the Top 8 finishers from MLG Providence ’11,for the first ever MLG Winter Arena in New York City, February 24-26. All 32 players will receive an all-expenses paid trip to NYC, where they will compete for more than $26,000 in prizes and Pool Play placement at the MLG Winter Championship. The MLG Winter Arena will be streamed live.
The season will conclude with the MLG Winter Championship, a large-scale event open to spectators in Columbus, Ohio, from March 23-25 at the Greater Columbus Convention Center. The Top 16 StarCraft 2 players from the MLG Winter Arena will receive an all-expenses paid trip to Columbus for the Winter Championship and will be seeded 1-16 in the Pools. The bottom 16 players from the Arena will be placed directly into CLR5 at the Championship. The Championship will also feature an Open Bracket. All the players in Columbus will be competing for $76,000 in prizes with $25,000 for 1st Place: five times what it was for 1st Place at a Pro Circuit event in 2011. The MLG Winter Championship will be open to spectators and will be streamed live.
Future Championship events will take place on the following dates with locations to be announced in the coming months: June 8-10 - MLG Spring Championship; August 24-26 - MLG Summer Championship; and November 2-4 – MLG Fall Championship.
This is going to be awesome! There is more skill in this qualifier than there has ever been in any North American LAN. While it's not quite GSL, the competition level will be pretty similar, and it will be broadcast during reasonable hours for Americans. I'm so pumped!
This is in no way what so ever trying to bash MLG, the casters, or anything else.
I have been looking forward to this so much since it was announced and I am sure there will be a lot of great games and lots of entertainment produced througout the season.
This means I have been hyping it up like crazy to my non-esport friends I live with.
What happens right away? One of the casters show up in his bedroom.
Now that's fine. I don't care where the caster is when it's an online event.
What I care about is that my friends instantly laughed at the whole thing because they didn't even make him put up a black sheet as a backdrop. It just looks so amateurish and extremely low budget.
On February 10 2012 09:25 ellirc wrote: This is in no way what so ever trying to bash MLG, the casters, or anything else.
I have been looking forward to this so much since it was announced and I am sure there will be a lot of great games and lots of entertainment produced througout the season.
This means I have been hyping it up like crazy to my non-esport friends I live with.
What happens right away? One of the casters show up in his bedroom.
Now that's fine. I don't care where the caster is when it's an online event.
What I care about is that my friends instantly laughed at the whole thing because they didn't even make him put up a black sheet as a backdrop. It just looks so amateurish and extremely low budget.
On February 10 2012 09:25 ellirc wrote: This is in no way what so ever trying to bash MLG, the casters, or anything else.
I have been looking forward to this so much since it was announced and I am sure there will be a lot of great games and lots of entertainment produced througout the season.
This means I have been hyping it up like crazy to my non-esport friends I live with.
What happens right away? One of the casters show up in his bedroom.
Now that's fine. I don't care where the caster is when it's an online event.
What I care about is that my friends instantly laughed at the whole thing because they didn't even make him put up a black sheet as a backdrop. It just looks so amateurish and extremely low budget.
Anyone else have thoughts about this?
From what I understand he got called last minute to do this hence why he is in his bedroom.... If you notice the other caster is in a very well setup studio.
On February 10 2012 09:25 ellirc wrote: This is in no way what so ever trying to bash MLG, the casters, or anything else.
I have been looking forward to this so much since it was announced and I am sure there will be a lot of great games and lots of entertainment produced througout the season.
This means I have been hyping it up like crazy to my non-esport friends I live with.
What happens right away? One of the casters show up in his bedroom.
Now that's fine. I don't care where the caster is when it's an online event.
What I care about is that my friends instantly laughed at the whole thing because they didn't even make him put up a black sheet as a backdrop. It just looks so amateurish and extremely low budget.
Anyone else have thoughts about this?
My thoughts are you wouldn't have complained if not for your friends being there laughing.
On February 10 2012 09:25 ellirc wrote: This is in no way what so ever trying to bash MLG, the casters, or anything else.
I have been looking forward to this so much since it was announced and I am sure there will be a lot of great games and lots of entertainment produced througout the season.
This means I have been hyping it up like crazy to my non-esport friends I live with.
What happens right away? One of the casters show up in his bedroom.
Now that's fine. I don't care where the caster is when it's an online event.
What I care about is that my friends instantly laughed at the whole thing because they didn't even make him put up a black sheet as a backdrop. It just looks so amateurish and extremely low budget.
Anyone else have thoughts about this?
My thoughts are you wouldn't have complained if not for your friends being there laughing.
Well yes that's exactly what he said himself actually. Still, the point stands, it does look amateurish.
On February 10 2012 09:25 ellirc wrote: This is in no way what so ever trying to bash MLG, the casters, or anything else.
I have been looking forward to this so much since it was announced and I am sure there will be a lot of great games and lots of entertainment produced througout the season.
This means I have been hyping it up like crazy to my non-esport friends I live with.
What happens right away? One of the casters show up in his bedroom.
Now that's fine. I don't care where the caster is when it's an online event.
What I care about is that my friends instantly laughed at the whole thing because they didn't even make him put up a black sheet as a backdrop. It just looks so amateurish and extremely low budget.
Anyone else have thoughts about this?
My thoughts are you wouldn't have complained if not for your friends being there laughing.
Well my point is that I actually felt a bit ashamed. Even if he was called in an hour before there is some extreme measures that could be taken to minimize the damage.
And I would have cared, but not much at all since I myself understand how things are. But when you try to get more people to watch(people that really have no connection to esport at all) it just looks really poor.
EDIT: I realise that this might not be the proper place to discuss this and would appreciate being directed in the right direction. Also, I always liked Robin's casting on the MLG beta-streams so it's nothing personal.
On February 10 2012 09:25 ellirc wrote: This is in no way what so ever trying to bash MLG, the casters, or anything else.
I have been looking forward to this so much since it was announced and I am sure there will be a lot of great games and lots of entertainment produced througout the season.
This means I have been hyping it up like crazy to my non-esport friends I live with.
What happens right away? One of the casters show up in his bedroom.
Now that's fine. I don't care where the caster is when it's an online event.
What I care about is that my friends instantly laughed at the whole thing because they didn't even make him put up a black sheet as a backdrop. It just looks so amateurish and extremely low budget.
Anyone else have thoughts about this?
Yeah, it's really no bueno.
Agreed.
The thing is that my posting this in a constructive manner you pretty much guarantee that MLG won't make this mistake again, that's how badass MLG is. So kudos.
On February 10 2012 09:25 ellirc wrote: This is in no way what so ever trying to bash MLG, the casters, or anything else.
I have been looking forward to this so much since it was announced and I am sure there will be a lot of great games and lots of entertainment produced througout the season.
This means I have been hyping it up like crazy to my non-esport friends I live with.
What happens right away? One of the casters show up in his bedroom.
Now that's fine. I don't care where the caster is when it's an online event.
What I care about is that my friends instantly laughed at the whole thing because they didn't even make him put up a black sheet as a backdrop. It just looks so amateurish and extremely low budget.
Anyone else have thoughts about this?
My thoughts are you wouldn't have complained if not for your friends being there laughing.
Well my point is that I actually felt a bit ashamed. Even if he was called in an hour before there is some extreme measures that could be taken to minimize the damage.
And I would have cared, but not much at all since I myself understand how things are. But when you try to get more people to watch(people that really have no connection to esport at all) it just looks really poor.
EDIT: I realise that this might not be the proper place to discuss this and would appreciate being directed in the right direction. Also, I always liked Robin's casting on the MLG beta-streams so it's nothing personal.
On February 10 2012 09:25 ellirc wrote: This is in no way what so ever trying to bash MLG, the casters, or anything else.
I have been looking forward to this so much since it was announced and I am sure there will be a lot of great games and lots of entertainment produced througout the season.
This means I have been hyping it up like crazy to my non-esport friends I live with.
What happens right away? One of the casters show up in his bedroom.
Now that's fine. I don't care where the caster is when it's an online event.
What I care about is that my friends instantly laughed at the whole thing because they didn't even make him put up a black sheet as a backdrop. It just looks so amateurish and extremely low budget.
Anyone else have thoughts about this?
My thoughts are you wouldn't have complained if not for your friends being there laughing.
Well my point is that I actually felt a bit ashamed. Even if he was called in an hour before there is some extreme measures that could be taken to minimize the damage.
And I would have cared, but not much at all since I myself understand how things are. But when you try to get more people to watch(people that really have no connection to esport at all) it just looks really poor.
EDIT: I realise that this might not be the proper place to discuss this and would appreciate being directed in the right direction. Also, I always liked Robin's casting on the MLG beta-streams so it's nothing personal.
Otherwise, just show your friends some of yesterday's GSL games and tell them that if done right it's good.
Thanks for that. And yes of course I can show them some GSL, old MLG's and DH:I And there will be more of everything, I just wanted to make a point that something so easy to fix can actually be a huge turnoff.
On February 10 2012 09:52 arfyron wrote: Anyone else's stream lagging?
Constantly
I think it might be twitch guys, I'm not getting any lag and I'm in the US, and international lag tends to be an issue with the player on and off =( hope it gets better
I haven't been able to get twitch to work properly all day, no matter what quality I pick. I've tried 4-5 streams the last hour and they all constantly skip.
I have to agree this caster is terribad. I made a post in JP's thread. Honest criticism, he is casting Korea and didn't mention anything about the players backgrounds. Never uttered the word Code S or Code A. He speaks too fast and has a lisp. I don't know who on earth ok'd him to cast but that person is either related or never heard him cast.
I couldn't even watch to be honest. After watching IEM this looked like amateur hour. In chat the only compliments the caster got was on his hair? What is this? Is this the direction MLG wants to take eSports? With so many other quality caster why on earth did they choose this Robin kid?
It's a very bad look for MLG, but maybe, hopefully they get it corrected for tomorrow. I enjoyed the EU broadcast very much and was really looking forward to Korea....
On February 10 2012 10:09 IFgogogosu wrote: I have to agree this caster is terribad. I made a post in JP's thread. Honest criticism, he is casting Korea and didn't mention anything about the players backgrounds. Never uttered the word Code S or Code A. He speaks too fast and has a lisp. I don't know who on earth ok'd him to cast but that person is either related or never heard him cast.
I couldn't even watch to be honest. After watching IEM this looked like amateur hour. In chat the only compliments the caster got was on his hair? What is this? Is this the direction MLG wants to take eSports? With so many other quality caster why on earth did they choose this Robin kid?
It's a very bad look for MLG, but maybe, hopefully they get it corrected for tomorrow. I enjoyed the EU broadcast very much and was really looking forward to Korea....
Nobody has been complaining about Robin. If you base your "facts" on the stream chat you really need to broaden your horizons.
Robin is really good, he did the community casting at MLG and made a really good impression. He doesn't have that much game knowledge, or a fantastic speaking voice, but...that passion. Gotta respect the passion.
On February 10 2012 10:09 IFgogogosu wrote: I have to agree this caster is terribad. I made a post in JP's thread. Honest criticism, he is casting Korea and didn't mention anything about the players backgrounds. Never uttered the word Code S or Code A. He speaks too fast and has a lisp. I don't know who on earth ok'd him to cast but that person is either related or never heard him cast.
I couldn't even watch to be honest. After watching IEM this looked like amateur hour. In chat the only compliments the caster got was on his hair? What is this? Is this the direction MLG wants to take eSports? With so many other quality caster why on earth did they choose this Robin kid?
It's a very bad look for MLG, but maybe, hopefully they get it corrected for tomorrow. I enjoyed the EU broadcast very much and was really looking forward to Korea....
On February 10 2012 10:16 Ruscour wrote: Robin is really good, he did the community casting at MLG and made a really good impression. He doesn't have that much game knowledge, or a fantastic speaking voice, but...that passion. Gotta respect the passion.
I usually love Robin's casting in other events such as Playhem/MLG beta, but in this qualifier he's kinda giving me a bit of a headache. He's just talking way too fast without any pauses...
lol, JP clearly doesn't understand how Lucky is the anti-SlayerS zerg player, should be a fun match but I'd imagine MMA to take it convincingly if he actually builds a bunker.
On February 10 2012 10:09 IFgogogosu wrote: I have to agree this caster is terribad. I made a post in JP's thread. Honest criticism, he is casting Korea and didn't mention anything about the players backgrounds. Never uttered the word Code S or Code A. He speaks too fast and has a lisp. I don't know who on earth ok'd him to cast but that person is either related or never heard him cast.
I couldn't even watch to be honest. After watching IEM this looked like amateur hour. In chat the only compliments the caster got was on his hair? What is this? Is this the direction MLG wants to take eSports? With so many other quality caster why on earth did they choose this Robin kid?
It's a very bad look for MLG, but maybe, hopefully they get it corrected for tomorrow. I enjoyed the EU broadcast very much and was really looking forward to Korea....
they put up info about each player on screen which includes stats, code status, name, and team. Do you not see????
On February 10 2012 10:09 IFgogogosu wrote: I have to agree this caster is terribad. I made a post in JP's thread. Honest criticism, he is casting Korea and didn't mention anything about the players backgrounds. Never uttered the word Code S or Code A. He speaks too fast and has a lisp. I don't know who on earth ok'd him to cast but that person is either related or never heard him cast.
I couldn't even watch to be honest. After watching IEM this looked like amateur hour. In chat the only compliments the caster got was on his hair? What is this? Is this the direction MLG wants to take eSports? With so many other quality caster why on earth did they choose this Robin kid?
It's a very bad look for MLG, but maybe, hopefully they get it corrected for tomorrow. I enjoyed the EU broadcast very much and was really looking forward to Korea....
they put up info about each player on screen which includes stats, code status, name, and team. Do you not see????
I see it but I like to hear about the stories of what player beat what player to gain code S status or A and MLG is partnered with GSL or at least they were.
Has anyone from MLG said anything about why they included this map in the season during the big boom of community maps in big tournaments? It's way better than the other new Blizzard one, I suppose. Just seems like a really odd choice.
It's not a very good map...it's okay, I'd imagine it's kinda close to balanced but the gameplay isn't interesting, Protoss will take 3 bases and turtle and Zerg will just lose because securing a fourth and beyond is difficult.
On February 10 2012 10:23 Ruscour wrote: Has anyone from MLG said anything about why they included this map in the season during the big boom of community maps in big tournaments? It's way better than the other new Blizzard one, I suppose. Just seems like a really odd choice.
It's not a very good map...it's okay, I'd imagine it's kinda close to balanced but the gameplay isn't interesting, Protoss will take 3 bases and turtle and Zerg will just lose because securing a fourth and beyond is difficult.
Not even Cloud Kingdom. Ugh.
Didn't you hear JP on SOTG? If it hasn't had 3000 GSL matches on it then it' can't be considered balanced. End of story.
I'm barely even paraphrasing. The 3000 matches part is a direct quote.
What has been stated is true be it in chat or in the thread.
1. Speaks too fast 2. Does not pause 3. Lisp, sorry I have to say it. I wanted to be an NBA player but I'm 5'9 we all have short comings. 4. Never tied anyone from the Korean Bracket to Code S or A heritage. 5. Poor game knowledge. 6. Looks and sounds amateur 7. 0 chemistry with JP
I'm not trying to bash the guy it's not his fault, but he is clearly not ready for MLG unless MLG has decided to cheapen out on the casting.
I can't believe a league of MLG's status tested this out and was like ok yep this looks and sounds good.
What has been stated is true be it in chat or in the thread.
1. Speaks too fast 2. Does not pause 3. Lisp, sorry I have to say it. I wanted to be an NBA player but I'm 5'9 we all have short comings. 4. Never tied anyone from the Korean Bracket to Code S or A heritage. 5. Poor game knowledge. 6. Looks and sounds amateur 7. 0 chemistry with JP
I'm not trying to bash the guy it's not his fault, but he is clearly not ready for MLG unless MLG has decided to cheapen out on the casting.
I can't believe a league of MLG's status tested this out and was like ok yep this looks and sounds good.
Keep making a fool out of that 5-post account. If Robin was really bad there would be a lot more posts in this thread
On February 10 2012 10:38 Whiteman103 wrote: wtf did lucky do i just tuned in...?
as far as we can tell lucky went blind 6 pool on daybreak and brought all the workers with him as mma was building his 2 racks in the middle of the map....then all hell broke loose xD
On February 10 2012 10:38 Whiteman103 wrote: wtf did lucky do i just tuned in...?
6 pooled on daybreak, probably expecting a greedy opening since MMA 2 raxed (1proxy the first game).
Instead MMA was going 2 proxy rax this game, Lucky scouted and pulled all drones to go attack. Then they chased each other round the map for a while, then Lucky won.
"Man I can't believe he cheesed me last game. I bet he would never do that again in a thousand years. Oh look, he's blocking my wall off. There definitely could be no motive behind that. Might as well not even bother walling off when I still have a chance to."
Edit: "Might as well get all my SCV's killed also."
On February 10 2012 10:45 Exarl25 wrote: Why are people hating on Lucky? MMA is a TvZ monster, you gotta do what you gotta do.
not like MMA didn't try proxy 2 rax the game before and win the first game off a 2rax with 1 proxied anyway.
Not quite the same thing obviously, but both players got up to some serious shenanigans
On February 10 2012 10:46 Usagi wrote: No good game so far in this qualifier xD
I thought Jjakji vs SuperNova g2 was pretty good, though I guess Nova getting his push caught just before siege in midgame helped Jjakji snowball later.
Lol, why not just go to Lucky's natural, build a bunker there, and send the free marine that was chilling at his natural to it? And float all your buildings to Lucky's natural, start mining, and win the game. >.< Lol MMA
On February 10 2012 10:45 JPoPP wrote: ok wait mma saw the drones/lings with his scout but didn't pull his scv's to block the ramp/try to wall off...mma
yes if MMA was looking at the mini map at the time the SCV passed the drones only thing that would explain that or maybe he doesnt know how to hold a 6 pool.
I'm not usually very critical of casters but Robin really in my opinion shouldn't be at this level of casting exposure. The chat was going insane, and it just got me to thinking - people need to speak up about what they like and don't like. And to be honest I think MLG needs to continue on it's path of success and put out only the best and quality casters - Robin is unfortunately not up to par in my opinion.
Robin speaks so fast, I can't understand a word he's saying...how is that enjoyable? Had the same issue when he was on the beta streams, I supported him then...it was a big venue, nerves - whatever...tonight for the KR qualifiers there shouldn't be any excuse especially since he got panned so hard after the beta streams, and seems to have completely disregarded all criticism and kept blasting along at 1000 miles an hour, and game knowledge/awareness seems to have not improved at all, aside from being quite knowledgable about Zerg, but casters obviously need to know all races.
I really don't mean to be offensive but if eSports is to grow and we all have to do our part, criticising is a big part of that so that the people who do work hard to put out content, continue to strive to be better.
On February 10 2012 10:48 Tracers wrote: I'm not usually very critical of casters but Robin really in my opinion shouldn't be at this level of casting exposure. The chat was going insane, and it just got me to thinking - people need to speak up about what they like and don't like. And to be honest I think MLG needs to continue on it's path of success and put out only the best and quality casters - Robin is unfortunately not up to par in my opinion.
Robin speaks so fast, I can't understand a word he's saying...how is that enjoyable? Had the same issue when he was on the beta streams, I supported him then...it was a big venue, nerves - whatever...tonight for the KR qualifiers there shouldn't be any excuse especially since he got panned so hard after the beta streams, and seems to have completely disregarded all criticism and kept blasting along at 1000 miles an hour, and game knowledge/awareness seems to have not improved at all, aside from being quite knowledgable about Zerg, but casters obviously need to know all races.
I really don't mean to be offensive but if eSports is to grow and we all have to do our part, criticising is a big part of that so that the people who do work hard to put out content, continue to strive to be better.
Sees people claiming they'd handle the situation better than MMA.
Standard.
You should think well and hard before you post things like these. Put yourself in a MLG invite only qualifier where pretty much the top of S.korea is invited and you have high expectations on yourself and also from the fans/viewers, and then claim you would handle the situation better than MMA. I would think not.
I'm not usually very critical of casters but Robin really in my opinion shouldn't be at this level of casting exposure. The chat was going insane, and it just got me to thinking - people need to speak up about what they like and don't like. And to be honest I think MLG needs to continue on it's path of success and put out only the best and quality casters - Robin is unfortunately not up to par in my opinion.
Robin speaks so fast, I can't understand a word he's saying...how is that enjoyable? Had the same issue when he was on the beta streams, I supported him then...it was a big venue, nerves - whatever...tonight for the KR qualifiers there shouldn't be any excuse especially since he got panned so hard, and seems to have completely disregarded all criticism and kept blasting along at 1000 miles an hour, and game knowledge doesn't really seem to have improved either, aside from Zerg which he knows pretty well, but obviously casters need to be pretty aware of all 3 races.
I really don't mean to be offensive but if eSports is to grow and we all have to do our part, criticising is a big part of that so that the people who do work hard to put out content, continue to strive to be better.
On February 10 2012 10:48 Zambrah wrote: I REALLY wish he'd lift his buildings, put his SCVs in his Command Center and take his floating Command Center and Barracks to another base.
MMA that is.
INCREDIBLY disappointed in that series. Incredibly, incredibly disappointed.
If he lifts the CC he'll never get to land it again. He needed to pull SCVs as soon as he saw the drone train and blocked the ramp until the marine was out. I doubt he's practiced holding 6 pools recently though.
edit:
On February 10 2012 10:45 mizU wrote: ... He scouted it too...
Even after wards all he had to do was pull his scvs out of the base, wall the zerg in, lift off.
Wow, that is actually a really clever solution to winning against a 6 pool that has already breached your base, 1 marine outside your wall and you can just land the CC in the natural and its checkmate.
On February 10 2012 10:50 dignitas.merz wrote: Enters live thread.
Sees people claiming they'd handle the situation better than MMA.
Standard.
You should think well and hard before you post things like these. Put yourself in a MLG invite only qualifier where pretty much the top of S.korea is invited and you have high expectations on yourself and also from the fans/viewers, and then claim you would handle the situation better than MMA. I would think not.
Quote the posts that said they would have done better.
On February 10 2012 10:50 Tracers wrote: I'm not usually very critical of casters but Robin really in my opinion shouldn't be at this level of casting exposure. The chat was going insane, and it just got me to thinking - people need to speak up about what they like and don't like. And to be honest I think MLG needs to continue on it's path of success and put out only the best and quality casters - Robin is unfortunately not up to par in my opinion.
Robin speaks so fast, I can't understand a word he's saying...how is that enjoyable? Had the same issue when he was on the beta streams, I supported him then...it was a big venue, nerves - whatever...tonight for the KR qualifiers there shouldn't be any excuse especially since he got panned so hard, and seems to have completely disregarded all criticism and kept blasting along at 1000 miles an hour, and game knowledge doesn't really seem to have improved either, aside from Zerg which he knows pretty well, but obviously casters need to be pretty aware of all 3 races.
I really don't mean to be offensive but if eSports is to grow and we all have to do our part, criticising is a big part of that so that the people who do work hard to put out content, continue to strive to be better.
On February 10 2012 10:50 dignitas.merz wrote: Enters live thread.
Sees people claiming they'd handle the situation better than MMA.
Standard.
You should think well and hard before you post things like these. Put yourself in a MLG invite only qualifier where pretty much the top of S.korea is invited and you have high expectations on yourself and also from the fans/viewers, and then claim you would handle the situation better than MMA. I would think not.
lol, of course we wouldn't. but we demand super TOP TOP pro players to know how to handle 6 pools drone all in if you choose to not wall in.
On February 10 2012 10:48 Zambrah wrote: I REALLY wish he'd lift his buildings, put his SCVs in his Command Center and take his floating Command Center and Barracks to another base.
MMA that is.
INCREDIBLY disappointed in that series. Incredibly, incredibly disappointed.
If he lifts the CC he'll never get to land it again. He needed to pull SCVs as soon as he saw the drone train and blocked the ramp until the marine was out. I doubt he's practiced holding 6 pools recently though.
Lucky could have still drone drilled the ramp by just clicking minerals in MMA's base. I really really hate this feature in SC2 where you don't even have to have vision of minerals to make your workers use the mine command.
On February 10 2012 10:48 Zambrah wrote: I REALLY wish he'd lift his buildings, put his SCVs in his Command Center and take his floating Command Center and Barracks to another base.
MMA that is.
INCREDIBLY disappointed in that series. Incredibly, incredibly disappointed.
If he lifts the CC he'll never get to land it again. He needed to pull SCVs as soon as he saw the drone train and blocked the ramp until the marine was out. I doubt he's practiced holding 6 pools recently though.
Lucky could have still drone drilled the ramp by just clicking minerals in MMA's base. I really really hate this feature in SC2 where you don't even have to have vision of minerals to make your workers use the mine command.
Yes, because drone drilling is super popular on the ladder and in major tournaments. Zergs are getting so many free wins due to it.
On February 10 2012 10:50 dignitas.merz wrote: Enters live thread.
Sees people claiming they'd handle the situation better than MMA.
Standard.
You should think well and hard before you post things like these. Put yourself in a MLG invite only qualifier where pretty much the top of S.korea is invited and you have high expectations on yourself and also from the fans/viewers, and then claim you would handle the situation better than MMA. I would think not.
Quote the posts that said they would have done better.
Yeah, people aren't saying they could have done better. They're saying MMA should have done better.
On February 10 2012 10:50 dignitas.merz wrote: Enters live thread.
Sees people claiming they'd handle the situation better than MMA.
Standard.
You should think well and hard before you post things like these. Put yourself in a MLG invite only qualifier where pretty much the top of S.korea is invited and you have high expectations on yourself and also from the fans/viewers, and then claim you would handle the situation better than MMA. I would think not.
Quote the posts that said they would have done better.
Yeah, people aren't saying they could have done better. They're saying MMA should have done better.
I feel like I don't have to point fingers specifically when it's pretty easy to look at the replies and determine what I'm talking about. I said think well and hard before you post things like this, doesn't feel necessary to single pick a person and flame him for it.
On February 10 2012 10:48 Zambrah wrote: I REALLY wish he'd lift his buildings, put his SCVs in his Command Center and take his floating Command Center and Barracks to another base.
MMA that is.
INCREDIBLY disappointed in that series. Incredibly, incredibly disappointed.
If he lifts the CC he'll never get to land it again. He needed to pull SCVs as soon as he saw the drone train and blocked the ramp until the marine was out. I doubt he's practiced holding 6 pools recently though.
Lucky could have still drone drilled the ramp by just clicking minerals in MMA's base. I really really hate this feature in SC2 where you don't even have to have vision of minerals to make your workers use the mine command.
Yes, because drone drilling is super popular on the ladder and in major tournaments. Zergs are getting so many free wins due to it.
It's not drone drilling in particular I don't like. It's the whole concept of any worker from any race being able to get into your base without vision even if your ramp is blocked by units. This can be done for scouting purposes or for a a bust. I remember in BW there was a glitch where you could do this and a progamer actually got disqualified from the game for doing it (for scouting purposes).
On February 10 2012 10:50 dignitas.merz wrote: Enters live thread.
Sees people claiming they'd handle the situation better than MMA.
Standard.
You should think well and hard before you post things like these. Put yourself in a MLG invite only qualifier where pretty much the top of S.korea is invited and you have high expectations on yourself and also from the fans/viewers, and then claim you would handle the situation better than MMA. I would think not.
Quote the posts that said they would have done better.
Yeah, people aren't saying they could have done better. They're saying MMA should have done better.
Exactly my point.
When I play and get caught off guard like a position like that I also tell myself what I COULD have done to improve or done. None of the posts said that they would have done what they suggested.
On February 10 2012 10:50 dignitas.merz wrote: Enters live thread.
Sees people claiming they'd handle the situation better than MMA.
Standard.
You should think well and hard before you post things like these. Put yourself in a MLG invite only qualifier where pretty much the top of S.korea is invited and you have high expectations on yourself and also from the fans/viewers, and then claim you would handle the situation better than MMA. I would think not.
Quote the posts that said they would have done better.
Yeah, people aren't saying they could have done better. They're saying MMA should have done better.
I feel like I don't have to point fingers specifically when it's pretty easy to look at the replies and determine what I'm talking about. I said think well and hard before you post things like this, doesn't feel necessary to single pick a person and flame him for it.
No worries <3 Shouldn't you bee sleeping btw? 3am here in Sweden atm ^^ Or you are abroad somewhere?`:p
On February 10 2012 10:48 Zambrah wrote: I REALLY wish he'd lift his buildings, put his SCVs in his Command Center and take his floating Command Center and Barracks to another base.
MMA that is.
INCREDIBLY disappointed in that series. Incredibly, incredibly disappointed.
If he lifts the CC he'll never get to land it again. He needed to pull SCVs as soon as he saw the drone train and blocked the ramp until the marine was out. I doubt he's practiced holding 6 pools recently though.
Lucky could have still drone drilled the ramp by just clicking minerals in MMA's base. I really really hate this feature in SC2 where you don't even have to have vision of minerals to make your workers use the mine command.
Yes, because drone drilling is super popular on the ladder and in major tournaments. Zergs are getting so many free wins due to it.
It's not drone drilling in particular I don't like. It's the whole concept of any worker from any race being able to get into your base without vision even if your ramp is blocked by units. This can be done for scouting purposes or for a a bust. I remember in BW there was a glitch where you could do this and a progamer actually got disqualified from the game for doing it (for scouting purposes).
I'm sorry but that would be retarded in starcraft 2. Considering how powerful rush strategies are. The ability to scout leads to scenarios where the better player wins.
Would have been better if results hadn't been leaked :/
The casters are good, I agree that things could look more professional to appeal to outsiders but it's not really a minus to me personally watching.
It is a bit annoying that every time a stat screen comes up that I notice it flicks off to commercial or JPs face within half a second before I can read any of it, but no big deal.
Seeing JP trying to be all G-Rated is hilarious if a bit painful.
Overall production could be a bit better but I'm enjoying the show, just wish it hadn't been spoiled.
On February 10 2012 10:50 Tracers wrote: I'm not usually very critical of casters but Robin really in my opinion shouldn't be at this level of casting exposure. The chat was going insane, and it just got me to thinking - people need to speak up about what they like and don't like. And to be honest I think MLG needs to continue on it's path of success and put out only the best and quality casters - Robin is unfortunately not up to par in my opinion.
Robin speaks so fast, I can't understand a word he's saying...how is that enjoyable? Had the same issue when he was on the beta streams, I supported him then...it was a big venue, nerves - whatever...tonight for the KR qualifiers there shouldn't be any excuse especially since he got panned so hard, and seems to have completely disregarded all criticism and kept blasting along at 1000 miles an hour, and game knowledge doesn't really seem to have improved either, aside from Zerg which he knows pretty well, but obviously casters need to be pretty aware of all 3 races.
I really don't mean to be offensive but if eSports is to grow and we all have to do our part, criticising is a big part of that so that the people who do work hard to put out content, continue to strive to be better.
I hate to make my first post a negative one, but I was sent this thread from a friend on reddit. Please don't hate cause I am a redditor, I love eSports and read TL frequently. So I say this with love MLG
I have to agree with Tracers, this guy Robin made the whole production look Amateur. In his bedroom and clearly doesn't understand the game at the highest level.
I refuse to accept the excuse that they didn't know this guy or it was last minute. I had a free silver stream account courtesy of hot pockets and I watched Robin cast the Orlando MLG. He was the exact same too fast, no knowledge, and that lisp is pretty bad. I'm assuming he is related to someone that works at MLG, or their standards have sank lower than whale feces at the bottom of the ocean.
I just want to see MLG do well. Robin is not an MLG caster level caster. I have tuned in every night thus far, but tonight I just had to turn it off. Do the fans justice. JP solo casting would have been better. Good job up to this point though!
On February 10 2012 10:50 Tracers wrote: I'm not usually very critical of casters but Robin really in my opinion shouldn't be at this level of casting exposure. The chat was going insane, and it just got me to thinking - people need to speak up about what they like and don't like. And to be honest I think MLG needs to continue on it's path of success and put out only the best and quality casters - Robin is unfortunately not up to par in my opinion.
Robin speaks so fast, I can't understand a word he's saying...how is that enjoyable? Had the same issue when he was on the beta streams, I supported him then...it was a big venue, nerves - whatever...tonight for the KR qualifiers there shouldn't be any excuse especially since he got panned so hard, and seems to have completely disregarded all criticism and kept blasting along at 1000 miles an hour, and game knowledge doesn't really seem to have improved either, aside from Zerg which he knows pretty well, but obviously casters need to be pretty aware of all 3 races.
I really don't mean to be offensive but if eSports is to grow and we all have to do our part, criticising is a big part of that so that the people who do work hard to put out content, continue to strive to be better.
I hate to make my first post a negative one, but I was sent this thread from a friend on reddit. Please don't hate cause I am a redditor, I love eSports and read TL frequently. So I say this with love MLG
I have to agree with Tracers, this guy Robin made the whole production look Amateur. In his bedroom and clearly doesn't understand the game at the highest level.
I refuse to accept the excuse that they didn't know this guy or it was last minute. I had a free silver stream account courtesy of hot pockets and I watched Robin cast the Orlando MLG. He was the exact same too fast, no knowledge, and that lisp is pretty bad. I'm assuming he is related to someone that works at MLG, or their standards have sank lower than whale feces at the bottom of the ocean.
I just want to see MLG do well. Robin is not an MLG caster level caster. I have tuned in every night thus far, but tonight I just had to turn it off. Do the fans justice. JP solo casting would have been better. Good job up to this point though!
Go here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=310434 What is wrong doing it form a bedroom? The biggest SC2 community guy streams almost daily from his!... But i guess every caster in SC2 should have their own personal studio, sounds fair because it just HAS to be "professional".
And saying he has no knowledge...you have to be awful or just not listining at all, every time he makes cool preditions like "this build is starting to get popular here but not so much here" AND HE IS RIGHT!... *facepalm* But if you seriously can't hear him "because he talks fast" i guess your brain is slow, no offense.
On February 10 2012 10:23 Ruscour wrote: Has anyone from MLG said anything about why they included this map in the season during the big boom of community maps in big tournaments? It's way better than the other new Blizzard one, I suppose. Just seems like a really odd choice.
It's not a very good map...it's okay, I'd imagine it's kinda close to balanced but the gameplay isn't interesting, Protoss will take 3 bases and turtle and Zerg will just lose because securing a fourth and beyond is difficult.
Not even Cloud Kingdom. Ugh.
Didn't you hear JP on SOTG? If it hasn't had 3000 GSL matches on it then it' can't be considered balanced. End of story.
I'm barely even paraphrasing. The 3000 matches part is a direct quote.
Their whole map discussion blew my goddamn mind in frustration. Artosis especially.
"I watch the Korean Weekly, it's a great little tournament" "I have never seen Sanshorn Mists before"
It's been in the weekly for eons...and they never mentioned progamer feedback.
Maybe MLG is just scared because of how bad Testbug was? It's okay, MLG, we know you were treated badly before. But that's no reason to stop, you gotta open yourself up and let yourself love again.
Woo! Marineking beat supernova!! His TvT is finally getting solid or what? ToD i making a nice run but he hasn't had exactly the toughest oppoents (Ryung TvP is pretty bad). Parting beat InCa in PVP. This guy is good O_o
I hate that Robin clearly doesn't know much about wtf he's talking about. Anyone who follows the Korean scene would understand who Parting is. I don't think Robin does.
On February 10 2012 11:44 Badfatpanda wrote: holy shit we missed MKP supernova and he beat SuperNova???? wow MKP stepping up his game, hopefully we get to see his improved tvt soon, I'm so glad
Yea holy crap. 2-0 Happy, 2-0 aLive, and now def Supernova. A month ago I would have laughed at this
1. Parting 2. Losira 3. Oz 4. Nestea 5. Winner of Supernova vs MarineKing 6. Winner of Alicia vs Ganzi 7. Winner of San vs Killer 8. Winner of TheSTC vs GuMiHo
Guaranteed 2 terran, 3 protoss, and 2 zerg in the 8 koreans that are going to the Winter Arena. Glad to see Parting doing well both in MLG and GSL.
On February 10 2012 12:39 Canucklehead wrote: There is going to be a conflict for a lot of koreans for this.
Feb 23 - Code S Ro4 Feb 24 - GSTL Slayers vs OGS Feb 25 - GSTL Startale vs IM
The latter two are not necessarily a problematic conflict, given that GSTL does not necessitate the presence of the full roster of players.
I actually think the GSTL conflict is the most important because it covers 4 teams. Gom changed the format so it's no longer pool play, so each gstl match is important. I don't see koreans ditching their teams in GSTL for this cause they may be needed by their team. I could be wrong though. Plus look at those matchups. You think teams would want their aces or top players missing this match?
I really would like to see Nestea come back though to winter arena and show some sick dominance. Not because I'm a huge fan though I enjoy his games, but I enjoy the teamliquid writing staff being wrong about the state of the pro scene just for the ironic laughs. xD
Also, I'd love it if San can make it back. And on a weird side note, there's this chick that looks almost exactly in terms of face like San. It kind of freaks me out.
There is going to be a conflict for a lot of koreans for this.
Feb 23 - Code S Ro4 Feb 24 - GSTL Slayers vs OGS Feb 25 - GSTL Startale vs IM
This is my opinion. The losers of Ro4 might go depending how they are feeling. The winners (finalist) probably won't since they will want to focus on finals.
For GSTL, since it is not knockout but rather dual tournament format (losing team can still win if they win the next 2), it is likely the teams will let their qualified players go (remember the trip is paid). Remember it isn't just for the prize in Arena, the top 16 also are seeded into Columbus Pool play (and more importantly all expense paid as well). With the increase prize pool of MLG this year, I am sure all the koreans will want to get into Pool Play and stay there. You can see this in the qualifiers, I think pretty much everyone in Code S except a couple tried to qualify. With the longer length of Code S seasons, I think MLGs will become a 'regular' stop for all Koreans.
Parting and Gumiho (although we're not even sure Gumiho is in the top 8, he might be eliminated by TheSTC).
They could both play their semifinal games, then get on a plane and fly to MLG's event, play their games, and be back in time for the finals assuming they won in the Ro4. The real question is, if they win, would they even want to go considering they should be practicing for the finals. To be honest though, I don't see the second player I mentioned making it to the semifinals. I am hoping the first player can though.
On February 10 2012 20:31 Presidenten wrote: WOW ToD beating Ryung and HongUn, but can he really take down MKP?
The series has already been played according to the calendar. I don't think they'll broadcast it either so if you want the spoilers for the next round:
On February 10 2012 20:22 JustPassingBy wrote: holy crap, an mlg without mma? won't feel the same!
Wait really? he is completely OUT? what....T_T i thought he had a chance in a losers bracket I guess he isnt putting this full attention into this casue of the GSL
On February 10 2012 20:22 JustPassingBy wrote: holy crap, an mlg without mma? won't feel the same!
Wait really? he is completely OUT? what....T_T i thought he had a chance in a losers bracket I guess he isnt putting this full attention into this casue of the GSL
According to the broadcast schedule, he is not in the lower bracket finals, which indeed means that he was defeated again at some point. Same goes for Jjakji.
On February 10 2012 20:22 JustPassingBy wrote: holy crap, an mlg without mma? won't feel the same!
Wait really? he is completely OUT? what....T_T i thought he had a chance in a losers bracket I guess he isnt putting this full attention into this casue of the GSL
On February 10 2012 13:01 wklbishop wrote: I really would like to see Nestea come back though to winter arena and show some sick dominance. Not because I'm a huge fan though I enjoy his games, but I enjoy the teamliquid writing staff being wrong about the state of the pro scene just for the ironic laughs. xD
Also, I'd love it if San can make it back. And on a weird side note, there's this chick that looks almost exactly in terms of face like San. It kind of freaks me out.
They didn't say Nestea is finished, they said he's not the king anymore, not the same imo.
Anyway, big disappointment that MLG didn't showed Oz vs Curious, this was a match with some history and you failed to use it and prolong it TT Everyone is talking about how storylines are great blabla, but storylines aren't just made of idra insulting player x before they play, they also made with the history of games between players. This is a missed opportunity imo.
On February 10 2012 20:22 JustPassingBy wrote: holy crap, an mlg without mma? won't feel the same!
Wait really? he is completely OUT? what....T_T i thought he had a chance in a losers bracket I guess he isnt putting this full attention into this casue of the GSL
According to the broadcast schedule, he is not in the lower bracket finals, which indeed means that he was defeated again at some point. Same goes for Jjakji.
On February 10 2012 13:01 wklbishop wrote: I really would like to see Nestea come back though to winter arena and show some sick dominance. Not because I'm a huge fan though I enjoy his games, but I enjoy the teamliquid writing staff being wrong about the state of the pro scene just for the ironic laughs. xD
Also, I'd love it if San can make it back. And on a weird side note, there's this chick that looks almost exactly in terms of face like San. It kind of freaks me out.
They didn't say Nestea is finished, they said he's not the king anymore, not the same imo.
Anyway, big disappointment that MLG didn't showed Oz vs Curious, this was a match with some history and you failed to use it and prolong it TT Everyone is talking about how storylines are great blabla, but storylines aren't just made of idra insulting player x before they play, they also made with the history of games between players. This is a missed opportunity imo.
Lol? I really don't like arguing semantics so ill apologize for not being clear and say I didn't say they said nested was done. Also note DRG and naniwa are both there so he could potentially prove the tl staff wrong.
On February 10 2012 13:01 wklbishop wrote: I really would like to see Nestea come back though to winter arena and show some sick dominance. Not because I'm a huge fan though I enjoy his games, but I enjoy the teamliquid writing staff being wrong about the state of the pro scene just for the ironic laughs. xD
Also, I'd love it if San can make it back. And on a weird side note, there's this chick that looks almost exactly in terms of face like San. It kind of freaks me out.
They didn't say Nestea is finished, they said he's not the king anymore, not the same imo.
Anyway, big disappointment that MLG didn't showed Oz vs Curious, this was a match with some history and you failed to use it and prolong it TT Everyone is talking about how storylines are great blabla, but storylines aren't just made of idra insulting player x before they play, they also made with the history of games between players. This is a missed opportunity imo.
Lol? I really don't like arguing semantics so ill apologize for not being clear and say I didn't say they said nested was done. Also note DRG and naniwa are both there so he could potentially prove the tl staff wrong.
Hum, I guess I didn't understood your post at all, and my post wasn't mean to be aggressive at all. What were you referring to in "I enjoy the teamliquid writing staff being wrong about the state of the pro scene".
On February 11 2012 00:10 Hodgyy wrote: Robin did great i think, JP was reading off a paper this stream, he really fucked up with the VOD's rofl.
I can't believe people dislike JP that much to say Robin did good. He is not an MLG level caster. Spoke too fast, minimal game knowledge, and has a lisp that gets worse over time. If Jp did bad it's because he is only 1/2 of the cast. Not even JP could save last night. I just tuned out to be honest, I was that annoyed.
So many other casters would have done better or at the least done average.
Last night is not how I want to watch my Starcraft.
JP really really annoys me with his casting. his general behaviour is so lazy and unfocused, i dont know what to say.
Again do you see who they stuck with him? JP is a professional, he can't possibly make up for the other guy. Keep in mind again JP was only 1/2 the cast.
On February 10 2012 11:49 werynais wrote: This Broadcast just doesn't feel right Oo I'm out.
On February 10 2012 13:01 wklbishop wrote: I really would like to see Nestea come back though to winter arena and show some sick dominance. Not because I'm a huge fan though I enjoy his games, but I enjoy the teamliquid writing staff being wrong about the state of the pro scene just for the ironic laughs. xD
Also, I'd love it if San can make it back. And on a weird side note, there's this chick that looks almost exactly in terms of face like San. It kind of freaks me out.
They didn't say Nestea is finished, they said he's not the king anymore, not the same imo.
Anyway, big disappointment that MLG didn't showed Oz vs Curious, this was a match with some history and you failed to use it and prolong it TT Everyone is talking about how storylines are great blabla, but storylines aren't just made of idra insulting player x before they play, they also made with the history of games between players. This is a missed opportunity imo.
Lol? I really don't like arguing semantics so ill apologize for not being clear and say I didn't say they said nested was done. Also note DRG and naniwa are both there so he could potentially prove the tl staff wrong.
Hum, I guess I didn't understood your post at all, and my post wasn't mean to be aggressive at all. What were you referring to in "I enjoy the teamliquid writing staff being wrong about the state of the pro scene".
Oh, DRG vs. Nestea rematch and Naniwa vs. Nestea rematch potentially to turn things upside down on its head once again. Maybe not necessarily Nestea returns to the king of Zerg, but casts doubt that they proclaimed it too soon. (though they technically did with ro32 predictions in regards to Nestea)
Well to give more context, I just find it funny that the TL staff tends to be wrong that there develops curses and all. It's almost a mini-storyline in all the games.
The MLG Winter Online Qualifiers continue tonight with Day 2 of the Korean bracket. Tonight's matches are from Winners Round 4. Winners of each match will qualify for a spot at the MLG Winter Arena. Matches will be streamed free in 720p on MLG.tv starting at Saturday, Feb 11 12:00am GMT (GMT+00:00).
On February 10 2012 12:00 Kiyo. wrote: For people who want to know who has qualified already (note that these matches haven't aired and are considered spoilers):
1. Parting 2. Losira 3. Oz 4. Nestea 5. Winner of Supernova vs MarineKing 6. Winner of Alicia vs Ganzi 7. Winner of San vs Killer 8. Winner of TheSTC vs GuMiHo
Guaranteed 2 terran, 3 protoss, and 2 zerg in the 8 koreans that are going to the Winter Arena. Glad to see Parting doing well both in MLG and GSL.
Is this the order of placement in the tournament or do they not actually finish it just go until they get a top 8?
Someone should explain this to me; it's ro8 right now which means everyone who's playing tonight has been qualified, correct? And why is there a losers bracket on Liquipedia? Have no idea how that would work
On February 11 2012 09:42 koning wrote: Someone should explain this to me; it's ro8 right now which means everyone who's playing tonight has been qualified, correct? And why is there a losers bracket on Liquipedia? Have no idea how that would work
Not everyone in the Ro8 is qualified, you have to win the Ro8 to qualify. Then the other 4 spots are won through the losers bracket.
On February 11 2012 09:42 koning wrote: Someone should explain this to me; it's ro8 right now which means everyone who's playing tonight has been qualified, correct? And why is there a losers bracket on Liquipedia? Have no idea how that would work
Not everyone in the Ro8 is qualified, you have to win the Ro8 to qualify. Then the other 4 spots are won through the losers bracket.
Just turned this on a few minutes ago and I was immediately impressed with the quality of the production for the whole experience. Khaldor and JP are a good casting combo, the graphics are cool; everything about it looked awesome.
There were some things that popped into my mind as ways to make it even cooler. On the bottom bar, you guys had the next game info. Could you do some ESPN style match recap from recent games so people tuning in late can get a quick idea of what's happened so far? Also, you guys are hopping into subsequent games in series really quickly after commercial breaks which is nice, but the casters ended up having to recap the previous game during the opening of the next match. Granted, the initial training of workers/supply is pretty lackluster so we don't miss much during the recap, but it would be a really cool idea to maybe show a quick replay of a big moment from the previous match while they talk about the game. Then, once they've said a couple things about the previous round, they could start the next game as they trail off.
Like I said, this has been awesome so far: great games, great production, great casting, great players. Keep up the good work!
i wouldn't say the duo is great, more like khaldor makes it good, that other caster during eu qualifier was really bad, and JP isn't able to bring the level of cast very high
also, i do have one complaint:
for the last time, tournaments from all over the world
On February 11 2012 10:17 eYeball wrote: TheSTC is looking like Quantic.Flo, getting rolled by the same push. Luckily he's still in the game but at what cost? hehe
Huh, actually I was going to say that dying to pressure at such a timing looked terrible on flo's part but after seeing theSTC die to it, I don't think it was because flo was bad, but Oz's got better skills than I thought.
On February 11 2012 10:06 Alacast wrote: Just turned this on a few minutes ago and I was immediately impressed with the quality of the production for the whole experience. Khaldor and JP are a good casting combo, the graphics are cool; everything about it looked awesome.
There were some things that popped into my mind as ways to make it even cooler. On the bottom bar, you guys had the next game info. Could you do some ESPN style match recap from recent games so people tuning in late can get a quick idea of what's happened so far? Also, you guys are hopping into subsequent games in series really quickly after commercial breaks which is nice, but the casters ended up having to recap the previous game during the opening of the next match. Granted, the initial training of workers/supply is pretty lackluster so we don't miss much during the recap, but it would be a really cool idea to maybe show a quick replay of a big moment from the previous match while they talk about the game. Then, once they've said a couple things about the previous round, they could start the next game as they trail off.
Like I said, this has been awesome so far: great games, great production, great casting, great players. Keep up the good work!
Great comment, just about agree with everything you said. Would be nice to see one or two suggestions made real
Can someone confirm for me that in the first game in Nestea vs. Killer that killer Cannoned Nestea's quick third after blocking his natural with a pylon. So really he cannoned his 2nd which wasn't at the natural because the pylon blocked his natural and he was trying to get a quick 3 hatch up.
Or am I wrong and it was the natural that was cannoned? Thank you.
On February 11 2012 11:09 TheEvo wrote: Can someone confirm for me that in the first game in Nestea vs. Killer that killer Cannoned Nestea's quick third after blocking his natural with a pylon. So really he cannoned his 2nd which wasn't at the natural because the pylon blocked his natural and he was trying to get a quick 3 hatch up.
Or am I wrong and it was the natural that was cannoned? Thank you.
Killer plyon blocked the natural, neastea took his 3rd base position very quickly in response and killer was able to ninja a probe back behind the natural as nestea took it as a quick 3rd.
On February 11 2012 11:09 TheEvo wrote: Can someone confirm for me that in the first game in Nestea vs. Killer that killer Cannoned Nestea's quick third after blocking his natural with a pylon. So really he cannoned his 2nd which wasn't at the natural because the pylon blocked his natural and he was trying to get a quick 3 hatch up.
Or am I wrong and it was the natural that was cannoned? Thank you.
he cannoned the natural
nestea canceled because he didn't see it in time (way too late), and expended on third later got rid of the two cannons and pylon and expanded on the natural again
On February 11 2012 11:28 Krallman wrote: There's no way a protoss can beat a zerg playing like this
For an incredibly long period of time Nestea had nothing but mutas and 1-2 infestors with a billion spines. Killer could of easily blinked directly into Nesteas main, avoid all the spines, and snipe every tech structure/the lair or hive.
On February 11 2012 11:28 Krallman wrote: There's no way a protoss can beat a zerg playing like this
For an incredibly long period of time Nestea had nothing but mutas and 1-2 infestors with a billion spines. Killer could of easily blinked directly into Nesteas main, avoid all the spines, and snipe every tech structure/the lair or hive.
And lose every single probe at all his bases in the process. That's not how it works.
On February 11 2012 11:28 Krallman wrote: There's no way a protoss can beat a zerg playing like this
For an incredibly long period of time Nestea had nothing but mutas and 1-2 infestors with a billion spines. Killer could of easily blinked directly into Nesteas main, avoid all the spines, and snipe every tech structure/the lair or hive.
or the third, which had 1-2 spines. Or the fourth, which only had 7. Killer attacked into the location that had 40 spines...and didn't have a mothership. And still you saw the stalkers retain so much.
On February 11 2012 11:28 Krallman wrote: There's no way a protoss can beat a zerg playing like this
For an incredibly long period of time Nestea had nothing but mutas and 1-2 infestors with a billion spines. Killer could of easily blinked directly into Nesteas main, avoid all the spines, and snipe every tech structure/the lair or hive.
Yea except the second you leave any of your bases with those blink stalkers your entire mineral line is dead.... so yea you get some tech but you lose EVERYTHING in return.... not exactly a good trade....
On February 11 2012 11:28 Krallman wrote: There's no way a protoss can beat a zerg playing like this
For an incredibly long period of time Nestea had nothing but mutas and 1-2 infestors with a billion spines. Killer could of easily blinked directly into Nesteas main, avoid all the spines, and snipe every tech structure/the lair or hive.
And lose every single probe at all his bases in the process. That's not how it works.
If it worked the way you are suggesting, then the spine-crawlers served no purpose lol.
On February 11 2012 11:28 Krallman wrote: There's no way a protoss can beat a zerg playing like this
Killer pretty much had it won near the end actually. When he took out all the infestors he had a huge advantage but split his army at the end and let nestea get huge fungals.
I thought what you were thinking and then Killer just proved us wrong, and given that Nestea is I feel far superior to Killer I don't feel that you can make _that_ much of a balance complaint in this scenario.
Although I will admit that Nestea did not "abuse" the map as much as it could've. While showing me personally a style which I will now copy(spines at two "chokepoints"), he failed to properly spine at the second choke and left open the possibility for attack there, which let killer come back into the game. I feel that's how he came back.
But that's more a map problem then anything.....
Also remember that Killer got antsy and instead of properly preparing for the inevitable broodlords he decided to hit a timing. It did work... at first..... but in the end Nestea was able to remake the broodlords with his super stockpile and Killer was not able to remake his army. But that's the danger of going for that timing instead of teching, youre vulnerable later on....
On February 11 2012 11:28 Krallman wrote: There's no way a protoss can beat a zerg playing like this
For an incredibly long period of time Nestea had nothing but mutas and 1-2 infestors with a billion spines. Killer could of easily blinked directly into Nesteas main, avoid all the spines, and snipe every tech structure/the lair or hive.
Yea except the second you leave any of your bases with those blink stalkers your entire mineral line is dead.... so yea you get some tech but you lose EVERYTHING in return.... not exactly a good trade....
he had cannons in his main, and templar at his third. his mineral line wouldn't have beeen decimated. 10-20 probe losses is worth getting the greater spire/pool/hive
I think he made a mistake in not going into stargate tech, mothership/void rays would have helped against that comp. Killer really should have backed off from the engagement with the spines, walking into the main with collosus and his stalkers would have been much better. Still awesome style from nestea, very fun to watch.
I felt like Nestea didn't do that well enough. If he had spread Creep better on both sides of the map, he could've actually cut the map in half with the Spinecrawlers.
On February 11 2012 11:37 sitromit wrote: I felt like Nestea didn't do that well enough. If he had spread Creep better on both sides of the map, he could've actually cut the map in half with the Spinecrawlers.
definitely true. i was worried for him for a second. but it takes a lot of apm to do it all perfectly, land all your injects AND pay enough attention to your mutas. yeayea he's nestea but still, can only do so much at once
awesome, two zvp with two of my favorite zergs. Get to see what parting can do vs zerg too =o
On February 11 2012 11:37 sitromit wrote: I felt like Nestea didn't do that well enough. If he had spread Creep better on both sides of the map, he could've actually cut the map in half with the Spinecrawlers.
Yea I agree. I'm a big fan of Nestea but I felt like games 2&3 were very sloppy games from him. At least he's in though :D
On February 11 2012 11:28 Krallman wrote: There's no way a protoss can beat a zerg playing like this
For an incredibly long period of time Nestea had nothing but mutas and 1-2 infestors with a billion spines. Killer could of easily blinked directly into Nesteas main, avoid all the spines, and snipe every tech structure/the lair or hive.
And lose every single probe at all his bases in the process. That's not how it works.
If it worked the way you are suggesting, then the spine-crawlers served no purpose lol.
Those spines were for a death push with collosus though, not really for blink stalker harass otherwise they'd be more scattered at vital structures and economy than at that choke point , besides there's also the idea of why not when you have so much minerals.
On February 11 2012 11:28 Krallman wrote: There's no way a protoss can beat a zerg playing like this
For an incredibly long period of time Nestea had nothing but mutas and 1-2 infestors with a billion spines. Killer could of easily blinked directly into Nesteas main, avoid all the spines, and snipe every tech structure/the lair or hive.
Yea except the second you leave any of your bases with those blink stalkers your entire mineral line is dead.... so yea you get some tech but you lose EVERYTHING in return.... not exactly a good trade....
3 HT in your mineral line with 3-4 cannons and you're mineral line is going to be pretty darn safe.
On February 11 2012 11:41 SimDawg wrote: Anyone else impressed that MLG is getting 10k viewers for a derpy little online qualifier? They definately have some competitive advantage.
Well this derpy little online qualifer has some of the best players in the world competing in it so not really.
I honestly think Losira just threw that game rofl. Wtf hydra/infestor/corruptor while staying on 2 base forever. What seeding do they get? Is it actually significant like starting a round forward?
When didn't Losira take bases faster? Normally when one protoss goes 2 base stargate, the zerg goes 3 hatch and tries to defend it, but Losira simply didn't take a third base so it feels like he just gave that game away. =(
On February 11 2012 12:19 devPLEASE wrote: NesTea would cheese. Can't expect any less from here. Good player, but cheeses too much.
Are you serious...? Nestea barely ever cheeses besides ZvZ. These games are meaningless as well so both of these players don't even care.
They're playing for seeding, don't wanna meet though players at the start of the arena.
Seeding is meaningless. Unless it is getting into the next round. Every player of these 32 besides maybe some of the American qualifiers is going to be a hard match. Also assuming the top 8 seeds are going to be the providence top 8 I'd argue it really doesn't matter. There are more weaker players there than the top 8 from this qualifier.
On February 11 2012 12:19 devPLEASE wrote: NesTea would cheese. Can't expect any less from here. Good player, but cheeses too much.
Are you serious...? Nestea barely ever cheeses besides ZvZ. These games are meaningless as well so both of these players don't even care.
yeah... not sure how taking a quick 3rd is cheese??
I'm talking about early ling attack.
Come the fuck on he did a standard 11 pool build with 2 sets of lings and Oz didn't have the proper cannon timing to defend it. How is a 100 mineral investment in two sets of lings (with drones and an expansion behind it) anything close to a cheese? You reek of silver.
On February 11 2012 12:19 devPLEASE wrote: NesTea would cheese. Can't expect any less from here. Good player, but cheeses too much.
Are you serious...? Nestea barely ever cheeses besides ZvZ. These games are meaningless as well so both of these players don't even care.
yeah... not sure how taking a quick 3rd is cheese??
I'm talking about early ling attack.
Come the fuck on he did a standard 11 pool build with 2 sets of lings and Oz didn't have the proper cannon timing to defend it. How is a 100 mineral investment in two sets of lings (with drones and an expansion behind it) anything close to a cheese? You reek of silver.
On February 11 2012 12:19 devPLEASE wrote: NesTea would cheese. Can't expect any less from here. Good player, but cheeses too much.
Are you serious...? Nestea barely ever cheeses besides ZvZ. These games are meaningless as well so both of these players don't even care.
yeah... not sure how taking a quick 3rd is cheese??
I'm talking about early ling attack.
Come the fuck on he did a standard 11 pool build with 2 sets of lings and Oz didn't have the proper cannon timing to defend it. How is a 100 mineral investment in two sets of lings (with drones and an expansion behind it) anything close to a cheese? You reek of silver.
Except I am a Diamond Terran
Nice Try kid
And yet you still do not even understand what cheese is, "kid."
On February 11 2012 12:41 JJH777 wrote: Oz literally not going for any splash. Just making it even more obvious that neither of these players care about these games.
Exactly why Oz lost. Would've been a 2-0 if Oz was actually trying.
On February 11 2012 12:53 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: Looks like the spoilers are up on tomorrow's calendar again. If anyone doesn't care about the spoilers:
The MLG Winter Online Qualifiers continue tonight with Day 3 of the Korean bracket. Tonight's matches are from Losers Round 6. Winners of each match will qualify for the final 4 spots from the Korean bracket at the MLG Winter Arena. Matches will be streamed free in 720p on MLG.tv starting at Sunday, Feb 12 12:00am GMT (GMT+00:00).
On February 11 2012 12:53 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: Looks like the spoilers are up on tomorrow's calendar again. If anyone doesn't care about the spoilers:
Why does Supernova always do this? Every time it seems like he's on the cusp of becoming an elite player he lays goose eggs and goes back to being just another terran.
lol wtf the bracket on the MLG site says supernova beat marineking 2-0 but now MKP just won game 1. also somehow the result of tod vs ryung shows up as 6-3. that would be a seriously extended series.
EDIT: oh, extended series between marineking and supernova. still, the previous result is backwards on the bracket as it says 2-0 up for supernova, but marineking actually won 2-0 in the first series.
JP with Wolf must be the least enthusiastic casting duo ever. =P (Don't get me wrong, I like Wolf a lot. It is just that the overall effect compared to average casters is funny.)
Marineking must have only practiced TvT for like the last month or two after seeing his code S group. 2-0 happy, 2-0, alive, and 3-1 vs supernova right now.... he was like <50% it seemed in TvT for a while from like october to december
On February 12 2012 09:33 Noocta wrote: 89% winrate TvT ? Like really supernova ? Wow.
TLPD say he only have 55 ish % :/ Okay, JP just explained it.
international tlpd win rates are always so ridiculous. he only faced one really notable player and that was 2-1 loss to MVP he played a couple of other solid players but most were in FXO invitationals
On February 12 2012 09:52 red4ce wrote: Never thought I'd see the day someone felt the need to cheese MKP 3 games in a row because he couldn't beat him in a macro game.
Hahhaa I know right? Usually people are complaining about the opposite. OMG MARINEKING SUCH A CHEESY ALL IN PLAYER
Parting vs Losira was a meaningless game and shouldn't be used to judge either of the players. Same with Nestea vs Oz. The games decided nothing but seeding and it was obvious from the games that none of the players cared about them. Losira literally went hydra/corruptor/infestor off 2 base in one of the games and the play in general was just significantly worse than what we had been seeing literally a few games prior.
On February 12 2012 10:50 Fenrax wrote: this has to be the one of the worst series ever played, completely abysmal play by both
Ganzi doesnt deserve the win.
Well, he does. But he played soooooooooooo bad. Three zealots killing an orbital.
Not attacking when you are maxed and your opponent is on 150 supply.
taking forever to upgrade his units.
Seriously? were you even watching alicia play? He constantly 1a's his whole army, he pulled his whole army for 3 marines which let ganzi get several collosus for free when alicia came back. In the biggest main engagement where ganzi was maxed with 6 full energy ghosts he sniped every ht , alicia backed into a corner and got his whole army emped, Early game he stayed on hold position by accident letting ganzis army get free shots for a long time, it wasnt saving charge caus of ff , he had archons so it was just a mistake. The first push ganzi did too alicia missed a ff, let ganzis army stream all the way through, trade nicely kill a collosus, and tons of workers. If anything this game is a perfect testament to how many mistakes you can make as P compared to T as long as you go double forge. (ganzi obviously did not play perfect, but if alicia played at that same level as a t or z the game wouldn't be close at all).
On February 12 2012 10:50 Fenrax wrote: this has to be the one of the worst series ever played, completely abysmal play by both
Ganzi doesnt deserve the win.
Well, he does. But he played soooooooooooo bad. Three zealots killing an orbital.
Not attacking when you are maxed and your opponent is on 150 supply.
taking forever to upgrade his units.
Seriously? were you even watching alicia play? He constantly 1a's his whole army, he pulled his whole army for 3 marines which let ganzi kill third / several collosus when alicia came back. In the biggest main engagement where ganzi was maxed with 6 full energy ghosts he sniped every ht , alicia backed into a corner and got his whole army emped, Early game he stayed on hold position by accident letting ganzis army get free shots for a long time, it wasnt saving charge caus of ff , he had archons so it was just a mistake. The first push ganzi did too alicia missed a ff, let ganzis army stream all the way through, trade nicely kill a collosus, and tons of workers. If anything this game is a perfect testament to how many mistakes you can make as P compared to T as long as you go double forge. (ganzi obviously did not play perfect, but if alicia played at that same level as a t or z the game wouldn't be close at all).
I didnt say Alicia play well at all. That doesnt exclude the fact that Ganzi played super bad.
Im sorry, but Ganzi lost a ton of scvs, lost an orbital for no reason. He missed emps when his arm attacked the third - Archons still had their shields up. You cant make any more mistakes than that. If he had played well, he would ve killed Alicia 10 minutes earlier, at least. Nice attempt to hide a balance whine tho.
On February 12 2012 10:50 Fenrax wrote: this has to be the one of the worst series ever played, completely abysmal play by both
Ganzi doesnt deserve the win.
Well, he does. But he played soooooooooooo bad. Three zealots killing an orbital.
Not attacking when you are maxed and your opponent is on 150 supply.
taking forever to upgrade his units.
Seriously? were you even watching alicia play? He constantly 1a's his whole army, he pulled his whole army for 3 marines which let ganzi get several collosus for free when alicia came back. In the biggest main engagement where ganzi was maxed with 6 full energy ghosts he sniped every ht , alicia backed into a corner and got his whole army emped, Early game he stayed on hold position by accident letting ganzis army get free shots for a long time, it wasnt saving charge caus of ff , he had archons so it was just a mistake. The first push ganzi did too alicia missed a ff, let ganzis army stream all the way through, trade nicely kill a collosus, and tons of workers. If anything this game is a perfect testament to how many mistakes you can make as P compared to T as long as you go double forge. (ganzi obviously did not play perfect, but if alicia played at that same level as a t or z the game wouldn't be close at all). Alicias mistakes would be game ending mistakes as z or t this was incredibly close.
On February 12 2012 11:12 JPoPP wrote: I never really understood why people do that build your very vulnerable to a counter Killer had some really nice ff's though.
also wtf is the dial-upcore he's playing...
The problem with that build is if you use all your graviton beams on workers, their army can just go and kill you :p
He got a forge, then a robo and expanded. I dont understand his build. He also over committed to phoenix what made his immortal transition to late.
I really don't understand how can Killer go for a proxy 2-gate while looking for a team. It fails 80% of the time against pros, and it makes you look so bad.
Parting is gonna win this tourney, beat DRG in GSL, win his semifinal match, fly overnight to MLG's online arena, win that, fly back and win GSL the next day.
On February 12 2012 11:27 Kiyo. wrote: Parting is gonna win this tourney, beat DRG in GSL, win his semifinal match, fly overnight to MLG's online arena, win that, fly back and win GSL the next day.
On February 12 2012 11:21 WigglingSquid wrote: I really don't understand how can Killer go for a proxy 2-gate while looking for a team. It fails 80% of the time against pros, and it makes you look so bad.
It can help put not only your current opponent on guard, but also future opponents since they know that you have, and are willing to do something like a proxy 2-gate.
Is San qualified ? The new MLG format has that very nice touch that is MLG pay for eveything for qualified players, and this is amazing for Korean from "small" (small in business way, not talent way) teams who can participate and fly to MLG even if they're not called Boxer or MMA.
Really disappointed theSTC made it through. He had an extremely easy bracket compared to the other players who made it through. Gumiho was the only top player he had to play.
On February 12 2012 12:26 red4ce wrote: Really disappointed theSTC made it through. He had an extremely easy bracket compared to the other players who made it through. Gumiho was the only top player he had to play.
TheStC is a strong player and he qualified despite (or because of) the circumstances.
On February 12 2012 16:29 Shellshock1122 wrote: LOL WHAT!?!?!! Inca 2-1 MMA!?!?! hahahahhahaha That's the best thing that could have happened in this tournament. San 2-0 Bomber is also a shock
San has always been one of the best PvTers in the world. MVP routinely used him as a practice partner for when he goes up against Protosses. With Bomber's recent lack of success outside of team league, no surprise that San won.
Happy to see ManZenith be able to make a foreigner debut. He should kick some major ass.
On February 12 2012 16:29 Shellshock1122 wrote: LOL WHAT!?!?!! Inca 2-1 MMA!?!?! hahahahhahaha That's the best thing that could have happened in this tournament. San 2-0 Bomber is also a shock
San has always been one of the best PvTers in the world. MVP routinely used him as a practice partner for when he goes up against Protosses. With Bomber's recent lack of success outside of team league, no surprise that San won.
Happy to see ManZenith be able to make a foreigner debut. He should kick some major ass.
Yea im really excited to see him in this tournament. I guess im still caught up in the old bomber tvp hype but he definitely has been down lately. I just feel like it's been so long since I've seen San. With protoss being strong lately I'm hoping he makes it back into the GSL soon
Can someone from MLG confirm that HongUn, Zenio and Polt actually played in this qualifier? They are players who went 0-4 in the bracket, but I know that MLG posts results as 0-2 even if it was a walkover. For those who follow the league there is no way to know if Polt indeed lost 0-4 or if he gave a w/o.
So, who qualified now? It says top 8 are qualified, but that cannot just be people reaching quarterfinals and up, that would be totally disrespecting the losers bracket.
So, who qualified now? It says top 8 are qualified, but that cannot just be people reaching quarterfinals and up, that would be totally disrespecting the losers bracket.
since it was double elim format, you can make top 8 from LB. The losers of the quarters plays the last 4 players from LB and the winners are top 8. of course Winner braceket semis finalist are in.
Obviously MLG can't post a casted VOD for every game, but does anyone know if they plan on posting more than what they currently have for the Korean qualifier? If they don't, oh well, I understand, but I'm still hopeful for more. I do, however, expect them to make the WBR3 VODs viewable soon. I can watch WBR1, 2, 4 and 5, and LBR6, but the WBR3 text is currently not hyperlinked. Also, + Show Spoiler +
game 3 of the Ganzi/Alicia series
would be nice. Last time I checked, a best of 3 doesn't end at 1-1.
On February 12 2012 16:29 Shellshock1122 wrote: LOL WHAT!?!?!! Inca 2-1 MMA!?!?! hahahahhahaha That's the best thing that could have happened in this tournament. San 2-0 Bomber is also a shock
I don't get why everybody thinks InCa is a terrible player.
If you actually watch his PvT, then you would see that he plays a similar style to Genius, where he turtles up and forces the Terran to attack into him (early third/tech etc.), and his micro is so much better than most (current code-A) Protosses and yet people still think he's bad at the matchup. Obviously, he starts to get sloppy if he's 4bases to 2bases, but he knows that it doesn't really matter at that point.
On February 12 2012 16:29 Shellshock1122 wrote: LOL WHAT!?!?!! Inca 2-1 MMA!?!?! hahahahhahaha That's the best thing that could have happened in this tournament. San 2-0 Bomber is also a shock
I don't get why everybody thinks InCa is a terrible player.
If you actually watch his PvT, then you would see that he plays a similar style to Genius, where he turtles up and forces the Terran to attack into him (early third/tech etc.), and his micro is so much better than most (current code-A) Protosses and yet people still think he's bad at the matchup. Obviously, he starts to get sloppy if he's 4bases to 2bases, but he knows that it doesn't really matter at that point.
And his PvP is really good, too! And he only loses his PvZ's if the opponent doesnt build a spore crawler
On February 12 2012 16:29 Shellshock1122 wrote: LOL WHAT!?!?!! Inca 2-1 MMA!?!?! hahahahhahaha That's the best thing that could have happened in this tournament. San 2-0 Bomber is also a shock
San has always been one of the best PvTers in the world. MVP routinely used him as a practice partner for when he goes up against Protosses. With Bomber's recent lack of success outside of team league, no surprise that San won.
Happy to see ManZenith be able to make a foreigner debut. He should kick some major ass.
Looking the the brackets San had a pretty sick run out of that stacked LB, and indeed mainly PvT's, Taking out Fin, Alive, NaDa & Bomber ( and Killer :p ) is pretty damn nice for sure. He might beat STC aswell still for better seed !
I'm also happy to see a couple more Terrans did qualify in the end because sofar it was only MVP, Thorzain, Merz & Sjow opposed to 8 Zergs & Protosses. Alot more balanced again now eventhough there is still the NA qualifiers to come.
I understand that neither NesTea nor Parting (particularly the former, who is an established player without much interest in proving himself) is not taking this too seriously, but that was a real walkover. That said, NesTea used to die in only two ways against anyone but MVP: botching an engagement entirely, or overdroning. Nothing weird in this sense. =P
by the way JP totally had it wrong thinking Nestea was so impressive playing the passive Zerg Mass Spines style. I'm pretty sure Stephano did this months ago...now it's starting to get popular over in korea... You can watch the stephano game vs Grubby in the latest shoutcraft, game 1 metalopolis.
On February 13 2012 09:38 neoghaleon55 wrote: by the way JP totally had it wrong thinking Nestea was so impressive playing the passive Zerg Mass Spines style. I'm pretty sure Stephano did this months ago...now it's starting to get popular over in korea... You can watch the stephano game vs Grubby in the latest shoutcraft, game 1 metalopolis.
Lots of spines is standard.
50 spines (if I'm exaggerating, it's not by much) is not. Is that really how many Stephano has been making for months?
On February 13 2012 09:25 StarscreamG1 wrote: Parting = an intelligent MC! Mother of god....... :O
You can disagree and yes I am a mc fan. But if you watch that game carefully you can see Parting place those ffs slowly and Mc can do the same perfert ffs with much higher speed. Do not think anyone can use ffs at Mc's level. Parting did head to head faced Mc in codeS and I think one of reasons he lost was because the different abilities of using ffs.
On February 13 2012 09:38 neoghaleon55 wrote: by the way JP totally had it wrong thinking Nestea was so impressive playing the passive Zerg Mass Spines style. I'm pretty sure Stephano did this months ago...now it's starting to get popular over in korea... You can watch the stephano game vs Grubby in the latest shoutcraft, game 1 metalopolis.
Lots of spines is standard.
50 spines (if I'm exaggerating, it's not by much) is not. Is that really how many Stephano has been making for months?
Stephano like stalemate lategame with BLs on top of atleast 10 spine crawlker per path ye.
On February 13 2012 09:25 StarscreamG1 wrote: Parting = an intelligent MC! Mother of god....... :O
You can disagree and yes I am a mc fan. But if you watch that game carefully you can see Parting place those ffs slowly and Mc can do the same perfert ffs with much higher speed. Do not think anyone can use ffs at Mc's level. Parting did head to head faced Mc in codeS and I think one of reasons he lost was because the different abilities of using ffs.
Parting should have beaten MC in at least 1 of his matches. Gate, robo, observer vs DT rush should be a BO win, yet somehow MC just micro's his way to victory. Go figure.
On February 13 2012 09:38 neoghaleon55 wrote: by the way JP totally had it wrong thinking Nestea was so impressive playing the passive Zerg Mass Spines style. I'm pretty sure Stephano did this months ago...now it's starting to get popular over in korea... You can watch the stephano game vs Grubby in the latest shoutcraft, game 1 metalopolis.
Wrong lol, Nestea has done it since forever before anyone even know who Stephano was. He turtle like a bitch with 10k spines in ZvZ before it was cool.
On February 13 2012 09:38 neoghaleon55 wrote: by the way JP totally had it wrong thinking Nestea was so impressive playing the passive Zerg Mass Spines style. I'm pretty sure Stephano did this months ago...now it's starting to get popular over in korea... You can watch the stephano game vs Grubby in the latest shoutcraft, game 1 metalopolis.
Lots of spines is standard.
50 spines (if I'm exaggerating, it's not by much) is not. Is that really how many Stephano has been making for months?
Yea...stephano states that he hates big open areas against protoss....just because he uses this tactic so much. Usually Zerg loves open areas to do flanks and surrounds. But Stephano started making literally 30 spines every choke and pump nothing but infestors/lings until broodlords come out. Remember that Stephano said he never watches pro-gaming because he doesn't want them to interfere with the way he plays his games.
I'm pretty certain he was the first, or if not, one of the earliest progamers to spam spinecrawlers. I even wrote a long winded post about this during shoutcraft. Very revolutionary play.
On February 13 2012 09:38 neoghaleon55 wrote: by the way JP totally had it wrong thinking Nestea was so impressive playing the passive Zerg Mass Spines style. I'm pretty sure Stephano did this months ago...now it's starting to get popular over in korea... You can watch the stephano game vs Grubby in the latest shoutcraft, game 1 metalopolis.
Lots of spines is standard.
50 spines (if I'm exaggerating, it's not by much) is not. Is that really how many Stephano has been making for months?
Stephano like stalemate lategame with BLs on top of atleast 10 spine crawlker per path ye.
On February 13 2012 09:38 neoghaleon55 wrote: by the way JP totally had it wrong thinking Nestea was so impressive playing the passive Zerg Mass Spines style. I'm pretty sure Stephano did this months ago...now it's starting to get popular over in korea... You can watch the stephano game vs Grubby in the latest shoutcraft, game 1 metalopolis.
Wrong lol, Nestea has done it since forever before anyone even know who Stephano was. He turtle like a bitch with 10k spines in ZvZ before it was cool.
We're talking about ZvP...zvz's a different game all together.
On February 13 2012 09:42 Shiger wrote: Parting is playing DRG in the GSL ro8, he's not going to give out his best builds for this.
agreed. it's cool that he showed something like a double stargate open. even though it may reveal the style, it may be worth more to Parting if it gives his opponent another thing to think about
On February 13 2012 09:38 neoghaleon55 wrote: by the way JP totally had it wrong thinking Nestea was so impressive playing the passive Zerg Mass Spines style. I'm pretty sure Stephano did this months ago...now it's starting to get popular over in korea... You can watch the stephano game vs Grubby in the latest shoutcraft, game 1 metalopolis.
Lots of spines is standard.
50 spines (if I'm exaggerating, it's not by much) is not. Is that really how many Stephano has been making for months?
Yea...stephano states that he hates big open areas against protoss....just because he uses this tactic so much. Usually Zerg loves open areas to do flanks and surrounds. But Stephano started making literally 30 spines every choke and pump nothing but infestors/lings until broodlords come out. Remember that Stephano said he never watches pro-gaming because he doesn't want them to interfere with the way he plays his games.
I'm pretty certain he was the first, or if not, one of the earliest progamers to spam spinecrawlers. I even wrote a long winded post about this during shoutcraft. Very revolutionary play.
I'm guessing you are one of the people that thinks Nestea copied infestor/ling w/ double ups vs Terran from Stephano despite the fact that he said he was the one who made the build? It is possible for 2 different players to come up with the same play style.
On February 13 2012 09:38 neoghaleon55 wrote: by the way JP totally had it wrong thinking Nestea was so impressive playing the passive Zerg Mass Spines style. I'm pretty sure Stephano did this months ago...now it's starting to get popular over in korea... You can watch the stephano game vs Grubby in the latest shoutcraft, game 1 metalopolis.
Lots of spines is standard.
50 spines (if I'm exaggerating, it's not by much) is not. Is that really how many Stephano has been making for months?
Stephano like stalemate lategame with BLs on top of atleast 10 spine crawlker per path ye.
Well yeah, 20ish isn't that much above normal.
50ish is pretty crazy.
Edit: Guess I'll take your word for it.
I guess 50 is a lot yeah. I'm just saying that stephano like to do that. I don't really care who did it first.
The thing about these games is they don't really matter so it's likely that the players aren't bringing their A game to the table and instead just playing ladder style. Still cool to watch, but it's just missing that "feeling."
On February 13 2012 09:38 neoghaleon55 wrote: by the way JP totally had it wrong thinking Nestea was so impressive playing the passive Zerg Mass Spines style. I'm pretty sure Stephano did this months ago...now it's starting to get popular over in korea... You can watch the stephano game vs Grubby in the latest shoutcraft, game 1 metalopolis.
Lots of spines is standard.
50 spines (if I'm exaggerating, it's not by much) is not. Is that really how many Stephano has been making for months?
Yea...stephano states that he hates big open areas against protoss....just because he uses this tactic so much. Usually Zerg loves open areas to do flanks and surrounds. But Stephano started making literally 30 spines every choke and pump nothing but infestors/lings until broodlords come out. Remember that Stephano said he never watches pro-gaming because he doesn't want them to interfere with the way he plays his games.
I'm pretty certain he was the first, or if not, one of the earliest progamers to spam spinecrawlers. I even wrote a long winded post about this during shoutcraft. Very revolutionary play.
I'm guessing you are one of the people that thinks Nestea copied infestor/ling w/ double ups vs Terran from Stephano despite the fact that he said he was the one who made the build? It is possible for 2 different players to come up with the same play style.
Plus its not exactly revolutionary to use up minerals that you're not using anyhow ;/. Its obviously smart play, but it goes back to the days when Z's were struggling with 4 gates until they figured out you just build crawlers. Same basic principle applies to all warpgate pushes.
Weird games by Nestea tho, preparing for mutas all game (even double spire g2), yet never needing it.
hmmm, from what little I've of Parting's pvz in ksl and this, it seems like it's pretty solid but not nearly as otherworldly as his pvt. I think DRG can rest at ease. Less of course parting is still hiding stuff.
On February 13 2012 09:38 neoghaleon55 wrote: by the way JP totally had it wrong thinking Nestea was so impressive playing the passive Zerg Mass Spines style. I'm pretty sure Stephano did this months ago...now it's starting to get popular over in korea... You can watch the stephano game vs Grubby in the latest shoutcraft, game 1 metalopolis.
Lots of spines is standard.
50 spines (if I'm exaggerating, it's not by much) is not. Is that really how many Stephano has been making for months?
Yea...stephano states that he hates big open areas against protoss....just because he uses this tactic so much. Usually Zerg loves open areas to do flanks and surrounds. But Stephano started making literally 30 spines every choke and pump nothing but infestors/lings until broodlords come out. Remember that Stephano said he never watches pro-gaming because he doesn't want them to interfere with the way he plays his games.
I'm pretty certain he was the first, or if not, one of the earliest progamers to spam spinecrawlers. I even wrote a long winded post about this during shoutcraft. Very revolutionary play.
hahaha... nestea showed the world the power of static defense way before stephano was even popular. proxyspine rush is just one of the many examples.
Even as a gigantic Nestea fan I'm sure Parting didn't show his best PvZ here. Nestea also didn't show his best ZvP. Seeding isn't going to make players want to play their best.
On February 13 2012 09:38 neoghaleon55 wrote: by the way JP totally had it wrong thinking Nestea was so impressive playing the passive Zerg Mass Spines style. I'm pretty sure Stephano did this months ago...now it's starting to get popular over in korea... You can watch the stephano game vs Grubby in the latest shoutcraft, game 1 metalopolis.
Watch GSL games from way, way back. Nestea has been doing it for a very long time.
On February 13 2012 09:57 puzzl wrote: Wait... they skipped showing the two Losers Round 8 games? Those were the only two games left that even mattered. What the hell.
On February 13 2012 09:57 JJH777 wrote: Even as a gigantic Nestea fan I'm sure Parting didn't show his best PvZ here. Nestea also didn't show his best ZvP. Seeding isn't going to make players want to play their best.
On February 13 2012 09:38 neoghaleon55 wrote: by the way JP totally had it wrong thinking Nestea was so impressive playing the passive Zerg Mass Spines style. I'm pretty sure Stephano did this months ago...now it's starting to get popular over in korea... You can watch the stephano game vs Grubby in the latest shoutcraft, game 1 metalopolis.
Watch GSL games from way, way back. Nestea has been doing it for a very long time.
Yea, iirc Nestea first did this against....sC? Way back in May 2011. Wasn't zvp though.
On February 13 2012 09:38 neoghaleon55 wrote: by the way JP totally had it wrong thinking Nestea was so impressive playing the passive Zerg Mass Spines style. I'm pretty sure Stephano did this months ago...now it's starting to get popular over in korea... You can watch the stephano game vs Grubby in the latest shoutcraft, game 1 metalopolis.
Watch GSL games from way, way back. Nestea has been doing it for a very long time.
Yea, iirc Nestea first did this against....sC? Way back in May 2011. Wasn't zvp though.
i think you are referring to the tal darim game against bomber?
On February 13 2012 09:59 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On February 13 2012 09:58 Ravnemesteren wrote:
On February 13 2012 09:38 neoghaleon55 wrote: by the way JP totally had it wrong thinking Nestea was so impressive playing the passive Zerg Mass Spines style. I'm pretty sure Stephano did this months ago...now it's starting to get popular over in korea... You can watch the stephano game vs Grubby in the latest shoutcraft, game 1 metalopolis.
Watch GSL games from way, way back. Nestea has been doing it for a very long time.
Yea, iirc Nestea first did this against....sC? Way back in May 2011. Wasn't zvp though.
i think you are referring to the tal darim game against bomber?
On February 13 2012 09:25 StarscreamG1 wrote: Parting = an intelligent MC! Mother of god....... :O
You can disagree and yes I am a mc fan. But if you watch that game carefully you can see Parting place those ffs slowly and Mc can do the same perfert ffs with much higher speed. Do not think anyone can use ffs at Mc's level. Parting did head to head faced Mc in codeS and I think one of reasons he lost was because the different abilities of using ffs.
Parting should have beaten MC in at least 1 of his matches. Gate, robo, observer vs DT rush should be a BO win, yet somehow MC just micro's his way to victory. Go figure.
I watched it live. That was why I said one of reasons. By the way a lot of ppl say Parting should have won the second game, but in fact 3 gate expand was invented by Mc himself and he stop using for a reason. The build Mc used there was to counter Parting's build. At the time Mc attacked Parting had a immotal but no ob so Mc was able to do damage with his dt before he made the archon. So what if parting had an ob at the time Mc attack? He would not have an imortal and Mc can make an archon so Parting can not ff and would have less dps with his army. Mc would win anyways. Parting himself in his interview said he could have won the first game and he did not complain anything about the second game. In the first game, he did have a chance to win but then he got outmico in the battle and lost. One of the main reasons was Mc had better ffs in the battle. Parting is very strong but to say he is better than Mc, he needs to do sth better than codeS ro8.
On February 13 2012 10:02 Zzoram wrote: If MKP made a depot wall on Losira's ramp, he would've bought the time he needed to kill the hatchery
I don't think that would have worked. That would mean 3 less SCVs attacking the hatch and you can kill depots that are only a portion of the way built very quickly.
On February 13 2012 10:03 Kira__ wrote: Considering how often people go 15 cc these days, 6pools are gonna become very common
T's just need to scout again. Even with a CC first in your natural you'll end up ahead. Cancel, wall your ramp reactively, restart CC in main and you're ahead.
(Or just place your CC at the top of your ramp and you're all set)
MKP always bunker rush Losira. Losira is Code B instead of Code S because of suffering cheese. Losira does a 6 pool and he's a cheeser! LOL, poor Losira cat
On February 13 2012 10:03 Kamais Ookin wrote: Fucking 6 pool cheeser, no wonder he's Code B.
do you even know who you just called a 6 pool cheeser?
Yeah, a washed up Code B player.
lol dude, Losira being code B is a result of the new system and the fact that he played theSTC in code A to drop down...theSTC is a fantastic player and although the series wasn't the closest, losira is far from washed up.
On February 13 2012 09:38 neoghaleon55 wrote: by the way JP totally had it wrong thinking Nestea was so impressive playing the passive Zerg Mass Spines style. I'm pretty sure Stephano did this months ago...now it's starting to get popular over in korea... You can watch the stephano game vs Grubby in the latest shoutcraft, game 1 metalopolis.
Lots of spines is standard.
50 spines (if I'm exaggerating, it's not by much) is not. Is that really how many Stephano has been making for months?
Yea...stephano states that he hates big open areas against protoss....just because he uses this tactic so much. Usually Zerg loves open areas to do flanks and surrounds. But Stephano started making literally 30 spines every choke and pump nothing but infestors/lings until broodlords come out. Remember that Stephano said he never watches pro-gaming because he doesn't want them to interfere with the way he plays his games.
I'm pretty certain he was the first, or if not, one of the earliest progamers to spam spinecrawlers. I even wrote a long winded post about this during shoutcraft. Very revolutionary play.
I guess it's not just Stephano but his fans also don't watch other pros, and believe he invented everything...
Hmm, was just wondering if whoever is controlling the camera could do it better since right now it's as if they're alternating between the views of the two players.
Also, I'm so glad Nestea is looking strong again after dropping out of Code S.
Hope from these matches, MLG really realizes that extended series doesn't work with SC2. Being up 2-0 is so much more than just up 2 games, as players can use "risky" strategies w/o really taking a risk
On February 13 2012 10:12 Kamais Ookin wrote: Losira cheesing once again, can't explain that?
MKP deserves it. Lately he has gotten the bizarre notion that he doesn't need to wall-off against zerg and can play as greedy as he pleases. 6 pool is an autoloss against every single build except 15 CC.
You guys call what Losia did cheese, but don't acknowledge the faults in MKP's play. Losing to 6 pools is just pathetic. Losing to a baneling bust because you neglected to wall off for whatever reason is even worse. I like MKP, but that was just a poor showing.
On February 13 2012 10:14 Jacobs Ladder wrote: Well, Losira is going to get wrecked. Until IM gets a good P player I don't think anyone on that team is going to be top notch vP.
Seed and Yonghwa are pretty good.
Though they don't have much luck getting into Code A...
On February 13 2012 10:14 Jacobs Ladder wrote: Well, Losira is going to get wrecked. Until IM gets a good P player I don't think anyone on that team is going to be top notch vP.
Uh, team practice partners don't mean jack in terms of good matchups.
On February 13 2012 10:14 Jacobs Ladder wrote: Well, Losira is going to get wrecked. Until IM gets a good P player I don't think anyone on that team is going to be top notch vP.
This line of logic again....Nestea and Losira were once considered the 2 best ZvPers in all SC2, with the exact same protoss practice partners as they have now.
On February 13 2012 10:14 Jacobs Ladder wrote: Well, Losira is going to get wrecked. Until IM gets a good P player I don't think anyone on that team is going to be top notch vP.
On February 13 2012 10:03 Kamais Ookin wrote: Fucking 6 pool cheeser, no wonder he's Code B.
cc first is eco cheese and shouldn't be unpunishable
Whoever invented the term "eco cheese" needs to fall over and die. I am so sick of this fucking viewpoint that anything but a well balanced macro game where you don't attack before 200 supply and don't get too much of a single unit is "cheese." What a bunch of garbage. If you are going to post that shit, please just don't post at all, you have no idea what you are talking about and need to stop talking.
On February 13 2012 10:03 Kamais Ookin wrote: Fucking 6 pool cheeser, no wonder he's Code B.
cc first is eco cheese and shouldn't be unpunishable
Whoever invented the term "eco cheese" needs to fall over and die. I am so sick of this fucking viewpoint that anything but a well balanced macro game where you don't attack before 200 supply and don't get too much of a single unit is "cheese." What a bunch of garbage. If you are going to post that shit, please just don't post at all, you have no idea what you are talking about and need to stop talking.
A 15 CC outside of your base is an extremely greedy and risky play.
On February 13 2012 10:14 Jacobs Ladder wrote: Well, Losira is going to get wrecked. Until IM gets a good P player I don't think anyone on that team is going to be top notch vP.
Seed and Yonghwa are pretty good.
Though they don't have much luck getting into Code A...
They're not bad, but I feel like there's a huge gap between them and protoss players like Parting, MC, Oz, and Genius. I mean, there's a reason IM players are historically weakest against Protoss, they just don't have someone at the tip top of the races skill curve to prepare against.
On February 13 2012 10:14 Jacobs Ladder wrote: Well, Losira is going to get wrecked. Until IM gets a good P player I don't think anyone on that team is going to be top notch vP.
Nestea is still 80% vs P on papper lol
He had like 90% back when Zerg were destroying protoss non-stop. He has since complained a LOT about the match up.
On February 13 2012 10:14 Jacobs Ladder wrote: Well, Losira is going to get wrecked. Until IM gets a good P player I don't think anyone on that team is going to be top notch vP.
Seed and Yonghwa are pretty good.
Though they don't have much luck getting into Code A...
They're not bad, but I feel like there's a huge gap between them and protoss players like Parting, MC, Oz, and Genius. I mean, there's a reason IM players are historically weakest against Protoss, they just don't have someone at the tip top of the races skill curve to prepare against.
Proof?
Genius wasn't even considered great until this season. Oz is a bit overrated from what I've seen.
On February 13 2012 10:03 Kamais Ookin wrote: Fucking 6 pool cheeser, no wonder he's Code B.
cc first is eco cheese and shouldn't be unpunishable
Whoever invented the term "eco cheese" needs to fall over and die. I am so sick of this fucking viewpoint that anything but a well balanced macro game where you don't attack before 200 supply and don't get too much of a single unit is "cheese." What a bunch of garbage. If you are going to post that shit, please just don't post at all, you have no idea what you are talking about and need to stop talking.
Ok fine, how about incredibly greedy and risky and if someone has a good read on you then you deserve to lose? I never said anything about non "maxed army macro" games being cheese as well, calm the fuck down. Maybe if I said something like reactored hellion expand is cheese than this post would be warranted but as it is, MKP took a risk and paid the price.
NesTea has pretty mich returned to old form. I doubt he fears any Protoss, even against MC he should have at least 40-50% chance.
Proof?
Genius wasn't even considered great until this season. Oz is a bit overrated from what I've seen.
Genius was top notch way before this season, but felt into a long period of slump, anyways. hes one of the most valueable players in Team MVP, and won countless clutch matches for them.
On February 13 2012 10:23 wklbishop wrote: I love how Parting has a secondary back up wall in his main. I mean, why not make use of their placements when you gotta put them down anyways.
The main reason I've that some pros don't do that is it makes defending unexpected mutas harder. If you don't have blink you have to destroy a building to let your stalkers move more freely. I'm still like it though, I think its probably worth it 95% of games.
On February 13 2012 10:14 Jacobs Ladder wrote: Well, Losira is going to get wrecked. Until IM gets a good P player I don't think anyone on that team is going to be top notch vP.
Nestea is still 80% vs P on papper lol
He had like 90% back when Zerg were destroying protoss non-stop. He has since complained a LOT about the match up.
Nestea complain about everything all the time even when he wins against everyone. It's just since it's Nestea, everyone forgive him for being so whiny. But he's VERY whiny.
On February 13 2012 10:28 MandoRelease wrote: Argh, they completely missed the huge counter attack with zerglings, which seemed to have been shut down. It's annoying^^
On February 13 2012 10:03 Kamais Ookin wrote: Fucking 6 pool cheeser, no wonder he's Code B.
cc first is eco cheese and shouldn't be unpunishable
Whoever invented the term "eco cheese" needs to fall over and die. I am so sick of this fucking viewpoint that anything but a well balanced macro game where you don't attack before 200 supply and don't get too much of a single unit is "cheese." What a bunch of garbage. If you are going to post that shit, please just don't post at all, you have no idea what you are talking about and need to stop talking.
Ok fine, how about incredibly greedy and risky and if someone has a good read on you then you deserve to lose? I never said anything about non "maxed army macro" games being cheese as well, calm the fuck down. Maybe if I said something like reactored hellion expand is cheese than this post would be warranted but as it is, MKP took a risk and paid the price.
Every build in the game has a counter. Greedy != cheese.
On February 13 2012 10:25 GodOfWar wrote: NesTea has pretty mich returned to old form. I doubt he fears any Protoss, even against MC he should have at least 40-50% chance.
Genius wasn't even considered great until this season. Oz is a bit overrated from what I've seen.
Genius was top notch way before this season, but felt into a long period of slump, anyways. hes the most valueable player in Team MVP, and won countless clutch matches for them.
DRG is more valuable IMO, especially if you think in a Teamleague sense.
On February 13 2012 10:28 MandoRelease wrote: Argh, they completely missed the huge counter attack with zerglings, which seemed to have been shut down. It's annoying^^
No they did show it...
Losira did a huge runby as soon as Parting blinked in the main, and they didn't look at it. But apparently it didn't slow parting down at all.
On February 13 2012 10:28 MandoRelease wrote: Argh, they completely missed the huge counter attack with zerglings, which seemed to have been shut down. It's annoying^^
No they did show it...
Not the first one. At the initial blink up into the main Losira counterattacked with his lings.
On February 13 2012 10:27 Cush wrote: Omg JP please spot better. You completely missed Loisira's counter attack.
He's been missing stuff in every match I watched. More tournaments need to start using dedicated observers, because casters observing just doesn't cut it.
On February 13 2012 10:28 MandoRelease wrote: Argh, they completely missed the huge counter attack with zerglings, which seemed to have been shut down. It's annoying^^
No they did show it...
No they did not. The moment PartinG blinked into the main, and forcefielded the ramp, LosirA sent about 45 lings into PartinG's natural, which they did not show. They show a counter attack later, when LosirA's lair fell.
I feel like they were hyping the play from Parting way too much. It was a simple Blink + Forcefield and I feel like we've seen many similar things before. Hell, you could predict he was going to Blink up as soon as you saw him get Blink + an Obs. It was smart, but it's not like it was revolutionary or anything like that.
Funny how the guys in this thread who were worshiping losira for beating code s players are silent all of a sudden. Maybe the 3-0 of parting is waking them up.
On February 13 2012 10:25 GodOfWar wrote: NesTea has pretty mich returned to old form. I doubt he fears any Protoss, even against MC he should have at least 40-50% chance.
Proof?
Genius wasn't even considered great until this season. Oz is a bit overrated from what I've seen.
Genius was top notch way before this season, but felt into a long period of slump, anyways. hes the most valueable player in Team MVP, and won countless clutch matches for them.
DRG is more valuable IMO, especially if you think in a Teamleague sense.
On February 13 2012 10:25 GodOfWar wrote: NesTea has pretty mich returned to old form. I doubt he fears any Protoss, even against MC he should have at least 40-50% chance.
Genius wasn't even considered great until this season. Oz is a bit overrated from what I've seen.
Genius was top notch way before this season, but felt into a long period of slump, anyways. hes the most valueable player in Team MVP, and won countless clutch matches for them.
You're confusing Genius with DRG. Genius was a middling player for years after Blizzcon. He had one all-kill against HoSeo and that was it.
Kamais did Losira promise to call you back after a magical night but never did? Because your bitching is getting old. He probably found a prettier girl, don't hold it personally.
On February 13 2012 10:33 Kamais Ookin wrote: Funny how the guys in this thread who were worshiping losira for beating code s players are silent all of a sudden. Maybe the 3-0 of parting is waking them up.
I will worship losira regarding of the results :D That's better than being happy because the man who kicked your favorite player's ass is losing. Not talking about you specifically, just those mad because MKP lost.
On February 13 2012 10:25 GodOfWar wrote: NesTea has pretty mich returned to old form. I doubt he fears any Protoss, even against MC he should have at least 40-50% chance.
Proof?
Genius wasn't even considered great until this season. Oz is a bit overrated from what I've seen.
Genius was top notch way before this season, but felt into a long period of slump, anyways. hes the most valueable player in Team MVP, and won countless clutch matches for them.
You're confusing Genius with DRG. Genius was a middling player for years after Blizzcon. He had one all-kill against HoSeo and that was it. .
I meant right behind DRG ofc,
That doesnt change the fact, he won some of the most important games in MVP, and I believe hes the most experienced player in their lineup too.
On February 13 2012 10:44 tuho12345 wrote: Wow Losira came wayyyy ahead despite Parting defended the best he could. I think Parting FF'ed himself too much?
If Parting's entire army was together during the first drop he would have been able to defend much better.
On February 13 2012 10:38 luck_star21 wrote: San 2:0 Bomber 2:1 Nada 2:1 Alive 2:0 Forgg
all in succession..wow
Seriously... the return of San? Crazy stuff. That said, Fin has turned into a massive disappointment after his incredible blitzkrieg through Code A. Another player that finds success through some fantastic new builds, only to start losing and immediately genericize his play.
On February 13 2012 10:25 GodOfWar wrote: NesTea has pretty mich returned to old form. I doubt he fears any Protoss, even against MC he should have at least 40-50% chance.
Proof?
Genius wasn't even considered great until this season. Oz is a bit overrated from what I've seen.
Genius was top notch way before this season, but felt into a long period of slump, anyways. hes the most valueable player in Team MVP, and won countless clutch matches for them.
You're confusing Genius with DRG. Genius was a middling player for years after Blizzcon. He had one all-kill against HoSeo and that was it. .
I meant right behind DRG ofc,
That doesnt change the fact, he won some of the most important games in MVP, and I believe hes the most experienced player in their lineup too.
That did not make him a great player during that time period. He performed well in GSTL once. His turnaround has been incredible considering he admitted he wasn't trying so hard in past GSLs.
On February 13 2012 10:45 redviper wrote: I can't believe they missed the cool pick up on the hydras and redrop on the colossus. That was really cool to watch.
Are they going to release these replays? I want to see that zoomed in.
And also the targeting on Phoenixes to make sure he could drop again safely.
On February 13 2012 10:38 luck_star21 wrote: San 2:0 Bomber 2:1 Nada 2:1 Alive 2:0 Forgg
all in succession..wow
Seriously... the return of San? Crazy stuff. That said, Fin has turned into a massive disappointment after his incredible blitzkrieg through Code A. Another player that finds success through some fantastic new builds, only to start losing and immediately genericize his play.
I love San, all the way back to the SadZenith days, where he was considered the worst player and he just wanted to do better and save face. You have to love someone who's trying hard and makes it work, underdogs are the best.
On February 13 2012 10:52 JWD wrote: Wolf killing me with "yeah, in a very different way"
man I am glad to see some more Parting games. can't get enough of this dude. so sick right now.
Wolf is amazing.
He makes even his co-casters look better even if they say something stupid. He really has mastered the art of contradicting someone while not embarrassing them.
7 storms just bathe mutas for a change the pack just melts. Typically storms are just danced away from and each storm probably did only 20 but so many storms... Wish parting could trim some more creep.
Has to know abotu more bases but now's the tiem for him to put the pressue he wants.
On February 13 2012 10:33 Kamais Ookin wrote: Funny how the guys in this thread who were worshiping losira for beating code s players are silent all of a sudden. Maybe the 3-0 of parting is waking them up.
worshiping is exaggerating but losira is definitely not code B material
On February 13 2012 11:01 tuho12345 wrote: Ugly to watch urggg, god I hate mutas lol
Are you serious? This has nothing to do with mutas. That early attack by Parting was close to all-in and it failed hard.
Well there you go. Muta's are not OP at all.
It's so funny. If Zerg did the equivalent of that 4 gate Zealot Voidray attack and failed to do damage, the game would for sure be over and everyone would say he deserved to lose it for doing a failed allin. Protoss does it and it's "pressure".. And they expect to continue the game without even falling behind...
On February 13 2012 11:01 tuho12345 wrote: Ugly to watch urggg, god I hate mutas lol
Are you serious? This has nothing to do with mutas. That early attack by Parting was close to all-in and it failed hard.
Well there you go. Muta's are not OP at all.
It's so funny. If Zerg did the equivalent of that 4 gate Zealot Voidray attack and failed to do damage, the game would for sure be over and everyone would say he deserved to lose it for doing a failed allin. Protoss does it and it's "pressure".. And they expect to continue the game without even falling behind...
He did fall behind and he was dead, hopelessly dead.. But then losira decided to walk/fly his entire squishy army through 5 psystorms... what do you expect?
And that was painful to watch, parting shouldve just camped and get some air upgrades/carriers/starve losira out :/
Not a balance whine, but is everyone okay with lategame ZvP revolving around archon toilet vs mass blords? I understand why P has to archon toilet, and that they really don't have another answer to that many blords, but are people okay with that being the state of late ZvP?
On February 13 2012 11:01 tuho12345 wrote: Ugly to watch urggg, god I hate mutas lol
Are you serious? This has nothing to do with mutas. That early attack by Parting was close to all-in and it failed hard.
Well there you go. Muta's are not OP at all.
It's so funny. If Zerg did the equivalent of that 4 gate Zealot Voidray attack and failed to do damage, the game would for sure be over and everyone would say he deserved to lose it for doing a failed allin. Protoss does it and it's "pressure".. And they expect to continue the game without even falling behind...
He did fall behind and he was dead, hopelessly dead.. But then losira decided to walk/fly his entire squishy army through 5 psystorms... what do you expect?
And that was painful to watch, parting shouldve just camped and get some air upgrades/carriers/starve losira out :/
tuho's post was before Losira's muta mistake and was very clearly implying he thought mutas being OP was the reason parting was losing. That wasn't the case.
On February 13 2012 11:01 tuho12345 wrote: Ugly to watch urggg, god I hate mutas lol
Are you serious? This has nothing to do with mutas. That early attack by Parting was close to all-in and it failed hard.
Well there you go. Muta's are not OP at all.
It's so funny. If Zerg did the equivalent of that 4 gate Zealot Voidray attack and failed to do damage, the game would for sure be over and everyone would say he deserved to lose it for doing a failed allin.
On February 13 2012 11:01 tuho12345 wrote: Ugly to watch urggg, god I hate mutas lol
Are you serious? This has nothing to do with mutas. That early attack by Parting was close to all-in and it failed hard.
Well there you go. Muta's are not OP at all.
It's so funny. If Zerg did the equivalent of that 4 gate Zealot Voidray attack and failed to do damage, the game would for sure be over and everyone would say he deserved to lose it for doing a failed allin. Protoss does it and it's "pressure".. And they expect to continue the game without even falling behind...
He did fall behind and he was dead, hopelessly dead.. But then losira decided to walk/fly his entire squishy army through 5 psystorms... what do you expect?
And that was painful to watch, parting shouldve just camped and get some air upgrades/carriers/starve losira out :/
tuho's post was before Losira's muta mistake and was very clearly implying he thought mutas being OP was the reason parting was losing. That wasn't the case.
Mutas however are a very good "seal the deal" units though. Very hard to comeback against from a deficit. Except if you herp derp them through psi-storms.
On February 13 2012 11:17 Zdrastochye wrote: Not a balance whine, but is everyone okay with lategame ZvP revolving around archon toilet vs mass blords? I understand why P has to archon toilet, and that they really don't have another answer to that many blords, but are people okay with that being the state of late ZvP?
I'm not okay with any matchup that boils down to the same situation in the late game.
On February 13 2012 11:01 tuho12345 wrote: Ugly to watch urggg, god I hate mutas lol
Are you serious? This has nothing to do with mutas. That early attack by Parting was close to all-in and it failed hard.
Well there you go. Muta's are not OP at all.
It's so funny. If Zerg did the equivalent of that 4 gate Zealot Voidray attack and failed to do damage, the game would for sure be over and everyone would say he deserved to lose it for doing a failed allin. Protoss does it and it's "pressure".. And they expect to continue the game without even falling behind...
He did fall behind and he was dead, hopelessly dead.. But then losira decided to walk/fly his entire squishy army through 5 psystorms... what do you expect?
And that was painful to watch, parting shouldve just camped and get some air upgrades/carriers/starve losira out :/
tuho's post was before Losira's muta mistake and was very clearly implying he thought mutas being OP was the reason parting was losing. That wasn't the case.
I think mutas are completly op but Im still understand and agree to what you said, but I wasnt replying to your post xD
On February 13 2012 11:17 Zdrastochye wrote: Not a balance whine, but is everyone okay with lategame ZvP revolving around archon toilet vs mass blords? I understand why P has to archon toilet, and that they really don't have another answer to that many blords, but are people okay with that being the state of late ZvP?
On February 13 2012 11:29 JWD wrote: dumb question: did Wolf just have his wisdom teeth out or something? or am I just not remembering his face correctly
On February 13 2012 11:40 Tachion wrote: I don't like how long Losira is delaying his gas in his 3 base play :/ He doesn't even have ling speed in time for 2 bases pushes.
His gas is not that delayed. He chose to spend his first 100 gas on lair instead of ling speed, that's perfectly reasonnable, since he saw parting's opening and knew he would not need ling speed early.
On February 13 2012 12:02 CosmicSpiral wrote: Parting not trying with these builds, and why should he? Getting a better seed doesn't necessarily mean an easier road.
Definitely. For example the only time Nestea beat MMA and got first in his Code S group he was rewarded with a far harder path to the GSL finals than MMA. If he had lost to MMA I think the finals at blizzcon would have been Nestea/MVP.
Seeding doesn't matter when you are at a tournament with this level of competition.
On February 13 2012 12:05 Tachion wrote: I'm fairly convinced by now that Hero is the only entertaining PvZ'er in all of Korea. Maybe Brown, will have to see more of him.
On February 13 2012 10:33 Kamais Ookin wrote: Funny how the guys in this thread who were worshiping losira for beating code s players are silent all of a sudden. Maybe the 3-0 of parting is waking them up.
On February 13 2012 12:05 Tachion wrote: I'm fairly convinced by now that Hero is the only entertaining PvZ'er in all of Korea. Maybe Brown, will have to see more of him.
I prefer JYP's style to HerO's, personally, and Sage is admittedly pretty fun when he's not playing like an idiot. :D
The match-up's kind of boring to watch, though, I agree. I kind of feel that Parting's been talking too much with MC, lol.
"MC, I need help with PvZ." "Timing attack." "No, but I was thinking --" "Timing attack!" "Sigh, okay."
On February 13 2012 10:33 Kamais Ookin wrote: Funny how the guys in this thread who were worshiping losira for beating code s players are silent all of a sudden. Maybe the 3-0 of parting is waking them up.
On February 13 2012 12:05 Tachion wrote: I'm fairly convinced by now that Hero is the only entertaining PvZ'er in all of Korea. Maybe Brown, will have to see more of him.
lol? i guess your the type that enjoys big drawn out games rather than cleanly executed timings. most protosses do timings because its just much easier to win that way and the game is all about winning.
When were the finals? If they were after Parting got drawn with DRG, why the hell would Parting show anything other than timing attacks? No reason to show your best PvZ builds in a somewhat meaningless final when you have the biggest match of your career coming up against the #1 Zerg in the world who will be watching these replays more than likely.
On February 13 2012 12:08 JJH777 wrote: Korean Qualifier Top 8 so much better than Providence Top 8.
No.. MVP+MC+HUK+Leenock will all kill them ezpz.
Yeah, I don't think so with Huk.
MMA, DRG and NesTea were also at Providence
So they had a bad tournament? Who cares they are still overall better players than most of the Providence Top 8. This qualifiers top 8 is definitely better than the MLG one.
On February 13 2012 12:05 Tachion wrote: I'm fairly convinced by now that Hero is the only entertaining PvZ'er in all of Korea. Maybe Brown, will have to see more of him.
lol? i guess your the type that enjoys big drawn out games rather than cleanly executed timings. most protosses do timings because its just much easier to win that way and the game is all about winning.
I'm the type that enjoys back and forth action and harassment rather than 1 attack deciding the game. That is of course why TvZ is by far the most entertaining matchup. Hero brings that to PvZ where as many others can't or don't.
On February 13 2012 12:05 Tachion wrote: I'm fairly convinced by now that Hero is the only entertaining PvZ'er in all of Korea. Maybe Brown, will have to see more of him.
lol? i guess your the type that enjoys big drawn out games rather than cleanly executed timings. most protosses do timings because its just much easier to win that way and the game is all about winning.
I'm the type that enjoys back and forth action and harassment rather than 1 attack deciding the game. That is of course why TvZ is by far the most entertaining matchup. Hero brings that to PvZ where as many others can't or don't.
I don't know how viable those other options are? Perhaps you like those scenarios because Z is more likely to win and there are less frustating sorts of victories to watch?
Because of certain scaling issues it feels like the matchup can devolve generally into surviving the mutapack then nibbling around before the great vortex off (a super expensive bl pack dieing in a sec isn't great either).
Hero's style is cool and fun to watch but some aspects about the way the game plays out makes me like the aggressive 2 base plays a bit more (combined with a tendency to be a fan of more P than Z players).
Korean Qualifier Top 8 so much better than Providence Top 8.
Definitely this is true if you look at it from top to bottom. But I think the 4 Koreans in Providence top 8 (DRG, Leenock, MVP, MC) matches up well vs the Korean Top 8.
On February 13 2012 12:05 Tachion wrote: I'm fairly convinced by now that Hero is the only entertaining PvZ'er in all of Korea. Maybe Brown, will have to see more of him.
lol? i guess your the type that enjoys big drawn out games rather than cleanly executed timings. most protosses do timings because its just much easier to win that way and the game is all about winning.
I'm the type that enjoys back and forth action and harassment rather than 1 attack deciding the game. That is of course why TvZ is by far the most entertaining matchup. Hero brings that to PvZ where as many others can't or don't.
On February 13 2012 12:05 Tachion wrote: I'm fairly convinced by now that Hero is the only entertaining PvZ'er in all of Korea. Maybe Brown, will have to see more of him.
lol? i guess your the type that enjoys big drawn out games rather than cleanly executed timings. most protosses do timings because its just much easier to win that way and the game is all about winning.
I'm the type that enjoys back and forth action and harassment rather than 1 attack deciding the game. That is of course why TvZ is by far the most entertaining matchup. Hero brings that to PvZ where as many others can't or don't.
except most of the time in pvz if the fights are back and forth the zerg end up winning late game. unless they decide to fail and send all their broodlords into a vortex. nobody wants to go late game against a zerg not even terrans, most players try to finish the job in a timing except alot of the times they fail and you end up with 40mins back and forth games.
Korean Qualifier Top 8 so much better than Providence Top 8.
Definitely this is true if you look at it from top to bottom. But I think the 4 Koreans in Providence top 8 (DRG, Leenock, MVP, MC) matches up well vs the Korean Top 8.
Pretty sure (DRG, Leenock, MVP, MC) will win over them.
On February 13 2012 13:34 Wi)nD wrote: when will the reps for this be released?
wow, took me some time to figure it out (I absolutely hate navigating around the mlg-page), but at least here are the VODs of the online qualifiers (dunno if it's members only though): VODS of MLG Winter SC2 Online Qualifiers
-edit:- couldn't watch any of the qualifiers live, so could somebody please recommend particular must-watch matches of the qualifiers so far?
I just watched the nestea vs killer game 3 everyone was talking about... ...honestly nestea was pretty awful with that strategy.
The Stephano mass spinecrawler strategy requires good creep spreading, so you can block both paths on metalopolis. Nestea had like barely any creep connecting his 3rd, 4th and 5th so all those bases just went down for free. Also, Stephano style uses the spines to stall while infestors rain fungal on the protoss army.
Killer should not have lost to that game. Killer did not use warp prisms at all...which is the correct counter.
If you guys want to see how it's done, I recommend 2012 GSL S1 Code A. Seal vs Squirtle. Or just go watch any Stephano ZvP.
On February 14 2012 03:20 neoghaleon55 wrote: I just watched the nestea vs killer game 3 everyone was talking about... ...honestly nestea was pretty awful with that strategy.
The Stephano mass spinecrawler strategy requires good creep spreading, so you can block both paths on metalopolis. Nestea had like barely any creep connecting his 3rd, 4th and 5th so all those bases just went down for free. Also, Stephano style uses the spines to stall while infestors rain fungal on the protoss army.
Killer should not have lost to that game. Killer did not use warp prisms at all...which is the correct counter.
If you guys want to see how it's done, I recommend 2012 GSL S1 Code A. Seal vs Squirtle. Or just go watch any Stephano ZvP.
Warp prisms with Mutas out? As far as I know, stephano rarely uses Mutas. Maybe you can you know... accept the idea that it isn't exactly the same style. Besides zergs have massed spines when Mutas are out since forever.
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