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TheNessman
United States4158 Posts
On February 02 2012 20:27 Scila wrote: Brood War tanks maybe  most Toss players walk their Colossus into tanks and kill them no problem.hmm then you need a few turrets i would say. | ||
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IMPrime
United States715 Posts
On February 02 2012 20:26 Bashion wrote: Yeah, because only these two units are made in PVT.... You don't understand the point. Vikings only counter colossi (ignoring the stuff like vrays and carriers that tosses don't make in this mu). Colossi counter everything on the ground. ESPECIALLY if the toss has anything on the ground to tank shots from the infantry. It's not a fair counter system. It's a lot better than corrupters vs colossi, but the toss still has the much better deal. | ||
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Roe
Canada6002 Posts
On February 02 2012 20:28 dragonborn wrote: except you have perfect position with tanks and marines . and protoss army melted before killing 1 tank by Marines aha? no, the colossi kill the marines with the great range and immorts tank dmg with hardened shields so tanks dont even do that much dmg against em | ||
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bbQ4Aiur
Hong Kong2752 Posts
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MorroW
Sweden3522 Posts
On February 02 2012 20:27 kyllinghest wrote: Its still a coin-flip in the early game, just trying to think of a solution to this push. Works for me, but Im a noob! ya ok just making sure. cause i found out these problems 1 year ago back when i was terran fulltime and couldnt stand tvp anymore because there was too much coinflipping. but then everyone told me iwas wrong etc for such a long time but only now its starting to come forth what i was talking about back then xd | ||
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SpicyCheese
United States39 Posts
On February 02 2012 20:26 iamthedave wrote: He's a GSL champion (twice if you count blizzard cup), he humiliated MVP the last time they met, he walked through his first Code S group as if he was asleep. For someone who performs as well as he does he's incredibly underhyped. Tastosis started out saying they expected MMA to lose and drop out of this group. His T v Z is untouchable and his T v T is amazing. He just happens to have a T v P weakness. Exactly I think it is perfectly fine for people to express beliefs on who the current best player in sc2 is at the moment. No one hesitated to call MVP the best after he won his first championship, why should MMA be different other than the fact that Artosis hates him for the most part. | ||
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R!!
Brazil938 Posts
On February 02 2012 20:20 alphafuzard wrote: I believe ghost timing hard counters this push. The only problem is ghosts are pretty bad against 2 base colossi timings. Ghost reduce your overall army by a huge lot if you get them soon enough to have emp for when the push comes, it's been tried out, I don't know what to say about those games, maybe MMA should've made 15 bunkers just to make a point. | ||
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Scila
Canada1849 Posts
On February 02 2012 20:27 Spiner wrote: That's why the 1-1-1 all in is the only build worth doing against protoss. 1 rax FE can be easily countered by some unforseen cheese. 2 rax rarely works and usually just puts you behind. can't wait for HOTS, maybe Terran will get their own easy-to-micro super efficient army :p | ||
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bennyaus
Australia1833 Posts
On February 02 2012 20:26 MorroW wrote: i saw this even on daybreak where terran went the ghost marine push, but the immortal push like this strikes before the ghosts get 75 energy. it strikes just when they pop afaik Ok. Terran goes 4 rax after 1rax FE and goes mass marines and 6 bunkers. Maybe can hold this build now. However, observer gets to T base and P adds a Robo Bay and pushes with 2 Collosi, it just seems like Protoss can viably take this build to scare Terran into 1 basing (so that they are aggressive before it's timing) or into mass marines (which are just as easily countered once the obs arrives). Hmmm, what am I missing here? It's not viable on all maps? | ||
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dragonborn
4781 Posts
On February 02 2012 20:29 Roe wrote: no, the colossi kill the marines with the great range and immorts tank dmg with hardened shields so tanks dont even do that much dmg against em tank range > colossus range you have like 4 tanks before protoss gets 2. tanks target to Colossus,marines target to immortal. i dont think its that hard. | ||
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Pure-SC2
United Kingdom1440 Posts
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kyllinghest
Norway1607 Posts
On February 02 2012 20:27 Scila wrote: Brood War tanks maybe most Toss players walk their Colossus into tanks and kill them no problem.Well, maybe you guys are right, but have you ever tried targetfireing colossi with tanks? They fall so fast! I always do this, and it works like a charm for me, then again Im far from a GSL player^^ | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46310 Posts
According to OP: MMA 3-3 Oz 1-2 Supernova 0-2 MMA plays winner of Oz vs. Supernova in next set So if Oz 2-0s Supernova (putting Oz at 3-2), then it may get interesting, or if Supernova 2-0s Oz (2-2), then it may too... But I think MMA is still in pretty okay shape, no? | ||
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whirlpool
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Telcontar
United Kingdom16710 Posts
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Logros
Netherlands9913 Posts
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Scila
Canada1849 Posts
On February 02 2012 20:31 Logros wrote: So nice to hear people complaining about a Protoss all-in that is hard to stop after over 6 months of 1-1-1's .lol | ||
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kyllinghest
Norway1607 Posts
On February 02 2012 20:29 MorroW wrote: ya ok just making sure. cause i found out these problems 1 year ago back when i was terran fulltime and couldnt stand tvp anymore because there was too much coinflipping. but then everyone told me iwas wrong etc for such a long time but only now its starting to come forth what i was talking about back then xd Yeah its a dumb matchup, but Im hopefull the new mech units in HotS will make it more exciting! | ||
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mizU
United States12125 Posts
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jjmmtt
Australia995 Posts
On February 02 2012 20:31 Logros wrote: So nice to hear people complaining about a Protoss all-in that is hard to stop after over 6 months of 1-1-1's .It's not even an all in and is still stupidly that strong, he had his second base and was building colossus. | ||
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