Think you mean Naniwa there dude. Stephano went 2-2 and showed some pretty good play there.

That ism if you meant the Blizzard Cup thing that Gom hosted

Xacalite

Germany533 Posts

January 31 2012 11:33 GMT

#1903

On January 31 2012 20:29 IMPrime wrote:

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polt said terran is OP

those were funny times with 22 terrans in Ro32

Whynaut

Canada367 Posts

January 31 2012 11:33 GMT

#1904

On January 31 2012 20:32 Sub40APM wrote:

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Stephano didnt look that great at that winter blizzard super star thingy.

2-2 > 0-2

kurrysauce

272 Posts

January 31 2012 11:33 GMT

#1905

On January 31 2012 20:30 Towni wrote:
i don't feel idra respects any of his opponents. his constant bm kicks him in the ass and it makes me happy. even bming poltprime on ladder after going 0-3 instead of typing the wp. this is no professional gamer.

despite this the koreans have respect for him and i have never heard anyhting regarding his gsl spot like: "why did this noob get code s spot. he is just awful!"

byebye idra gogo HuK!

lol. This has been discussed to death by many pros , ladder means nothing. Publicly stating that you get off at other people's "misery" makes you look like a dick more than anything.

artrea

Latvia3560 Posts

January 31 2012 11:33 GMT

#1906

Ouch 4gate can hurt ForGG

Swede

New Zealand853 Posts

January 31 2012 11:34 GMT

#1907

On January 31 2012 20:31 Bashion wrote:

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Man, when his lings ran to Avenges natural and it was blocked with pylons, he should've made a few more spines. 3 spines wont hold against a 6 gate/7 gate, especially with blink.

Yep, this was all he needed. His tech choice was fine given his lead. If he had have gone up to 5 or 6 spines that would have looked completely different, especially since he managed to trap the units by the spines with the lings from behind.

BrassMonkey27

Canada616 Posts

January 31 2012 11:34 GMT

#1908

Core going for a 4gate.. interesting. Probably thinks Fin is going to 1/1/1 and wants to counter it by allin.

RogerChillingworth

Chad3132 Posts

January 31 2012 11:34 GMT

#1909

On January 31 2012 20:30 HellionDrop wrote:
i feel that idra could totally defend the push if he make roach/infestors instead of mutas,

so many of these commetns.

yeah last game if he cut drones and just went hydra ling, that immortal attack wouldnt have worked as well either.

Shit just doesn't work that way, man. "i can't believe he didn't have the perfect unit composition and plenty of units to deal with his oppoents attack".

Cereb

Denmark3388 Posts

January 31 2012 11:34 GMT

#1910

On January 31 2012 20:32 Sub40APM wrote:

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Stephano didnt look that great at that winter blizzard super star thingy.

What? He looked really good. He was pitted against some of the very best in GSL and only barely barely got 3rd place in his group because of individual results.

SKtheAnathema

United States885 Posts

January 31 2012 11:34 GMT

#1911

seems like idra's skill level execution and macro-wise are a dime a dozen in korea. but, he's the best american player at least :\

Arceus

Vietnam8333 Posts

January 31 2012 11:34 GMT

#1912

On January 31 2012 20:31 Megabuster123 wrote:

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No, Losira played just as bad as Idra. He was banking 2.5 k gas and had double spire without making a single muta for like 5 minutes.

But Losira's ZvT is almost as bad as Idra's ZvP

It's always frustrating watching them play....

LosirA played TheStC
IdrA played Avenge

cyclone25

Romania3344 Posts

January 31 2012 11:34 GMT

#1913

On January 31 2012 20:32 Sub40APM wrote:

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Stephano didnt look that great at that winter blizzard super star thingy.

You probably didn't saw that "blizzard super start thingy".

GiggleFairy

Australia331 Posts

January 31 2012 11:34 GMT

#1914

On January 31 2012 20:32 mcjinzo wrote:
just so im clear is every 2 base attack a allin? im confused. is it only not allin if they just sit back and keep taking bases? since when have strong timing attacks become automatic "all in"

Well if that push just outright gets countered and dies, where does it leave the protoss? 2 bases, without enough units/tech to safely take a 3rd base, the zerg can pretty much just attack and win. So yeah it is all in because he was not settin himself up at all for the late game.

Thombur

95 Posts

January 31 2012 11:34 GMT

#1915

PvZ atm feels like 2 base all in before mutas can contain you is the only option. Too hard to get 3 base and mass muta too hard to move out against.

rhs408

United States904 Posts

January 31 2012 11:34 GMT

#1916

I think Idra just has his build set out before game, and he does not change it, no matter what he sees - classic Idra non-adaptability. He planned to go mutas from the very start, and seeing phoenix did not deter him one bit.

Don't let the jet door hit you on the head on your way back to the states grack

dainbramage

Australia1442 Posts

January 31 2012 11:35 GMT

#1917

On January 31 2012 20:31 Megaman_X wrote:

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what would be the correct counter then? im just wondering

Hydras or infestors would have been much better choices. As would some roaches, or even just making more than 3 spines. Mutas are bad in straight-up engagements, they're not the unit you want against a 2-base allin.

And even then at the very least he could have focus-fired the phoenixes rather than a-moving his mutas so that they were shooting stalkers.

Azarkon

United States21060 Posts

January 31 2012 11:35 GMT

#1918

I think the problem with IdrA's approach to Protoss is that he just doesn't offer up enough threats, presumably because he believes that you can't attack a good Protoss and so he doesn't try. I mean, look at the way he plays - he's always the defender in this match-up. He defends and drones and defends and drones and defends, and then he either loses because he failed to defend, or he defends and builds up to 200/200 and then loses anyways because Protoss has a better 200/200 army. The only times he wins is when Protoss messes up one too many times and he is able to remax an army before they're able to put something together.

Even with that level of economic damage, with Avenge basically screwing up his VR attack and letting zerglings run into his base, IdrA still ends up looking like he got brutalized when the attack came. For IdrA, this is because the match-up is broken, and maybe he's right. But whether the match-up is broken or not, you can't possibly think that playing a losing strategy like this and hoping that you'd win somehow is a good idea. If you think the match-up is broken, then take risks - cheese, all-in, whatever. At least lose with strategies that have the capability to win.

Klogbert

United States139 Posts

January 31 2012 11:35 GMT

#1919

if you lose a fair amt of probes and have no plans for an expo...yes it's an all-in.

Quadratic

Canada249 Posts

January 31 2012 11:35 GMT

#1920

Huk, please don't go down in flames. I have a Liquidbet on you!