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On January 23 2012 14:03 wklbishop wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 13:54 GreyKnight wrote:On January 23 2012 13:50 wklbishop wrote:On January 23 2012 13:48 Bagration wrote:On January 23 2012 13:39 CosmicSpiral wrote:On January 23 2012 13:36 Bagration wrote:On January 23 2012 13:33 1Eris1 wrote:On January 23 2012 13:31 double620 wrote:
I feel like Polt belongs to CodeS and Hero belongs to CodeA. Not to mention other things, Polt basically outmicro and out multi-tasking Hero all the time.
I don't even think Hero belongs in Code A. He's never really proven he can even compete with the average Code Aer. The fact that Hero has survived elimination from Code A suggests that he belongs there. But his recent poor play, starting with the Blizzard Cup, is troubling for Hero's chances of remaining in Code A. But Hero was utterly destroyed by Polt today. I'm not sure if you can even call that "poor play", considering that Hero was never a top tier player in Korea. I was referring to the fact that he got knocked out in the group stages in HSC 4 and IEM Kiev. While he has never been a top Korean player, he at least was dominant against foreigners last year. Now it seems he cannot even beat them consistently. I think that's less indicative of his skill level and more indicative of the fact that the guy plays so much with foreigners that they kind of know of his style more and more as they had to prepare for him more. Look at the way he's been knocked out instead of results. He made a bunch of mistakes and build order choices. Nobody figured out his style. That's true of the games against Feast. But I feel like zerg players like Violet and Nerchio are better at dealing with his kind of harass, along with a few other players that while didn;t defeat him, still took a game or two off him. Not saying his style is figured out, just saying it's not as effective. I mean... I don't see him doing sentry drops or stuff like that to AS great effect as before.
vs violet he blocked his own nexus...and vs nerchio just very sloppy. opened stargate and did no damage and lost all his units for nothing etc.
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On January 23 2012 14:04 GreyKnight wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 14:03 wklbishop wrote:On January 23 2012 13:54 GreyKnight wrote:On January 23 2012 13:50 wklbishop wrote:On January 23 2012 13:48 Bagration wrote:On January 23 2012 13:39 CosmicSpiral wrote:On January 23 2012 13:36 Bagration wrote:On January 23 2012 13:33 1Eris1 wrote:On January 23 2012 13:31 double620 wrote:
I feel like Polt belongs to CodeS and Hero belongs to CodeA. Not to mention other things, Polt basically outmicro and out multi-tasking Hero all the time.
I don't even think Hero belongs in Code A. He's never really proven he can even compete with the average Code Aer. The fact that Hero has survived elimination from Code A suggests that he belongs there. But his recent poor play, starting with the Blizzard Cup, is troubling for Hero's chances of remaining in Code A. But Hero was utterly destroyed by Polt today. I'm not sure if you can even call that "poor play", considering that Hero was never a top tier player in Korea. I was referring to the fact that he got knocked out in the group stages in HSC 4 and IEM Kiev. While he has never been a top Korean player, he at least was dominant against foreigners last year. Now it seems he cannot even beat them consistently. I think that's less indicative of his skill level and more indicative of the fact that the guy plays so much with foreigners that they kind of know of his style more and more as they had to prepare for him more. Look at the way he's been knocked out instead of results. He made a bunch of mistakes and build order choices. Nobody figured out his style. That's true of the games against Feast. But I feel like zerg players like Violet and Nerchio are better at dealing with his kind of harass, along with a few other players that while didn;t defeat him, still took a game or two off him. Not saying his style is figured out, just saying it's not as effective. I mean... I don't see him doing sentry drops or stuff like that to AS great effect as before. vs violet he blocked his own nexus...and vs nerchio just very sloppy. opened stargate and did no damage and lost all his units for nothing etc.
LOLs. I would continue to debate and I do believe certain aspects of the zerg play having worked certain drone timings to compensate...., but I have to admit I picked pretty bad examples and I'm in a bad position here so I'll concede.
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This is an awesome event. I'll be tuning in for sure!
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37023 Posts
On January 23 2012 14:41 0neder wrote:
This is an awesome event. I'll be tuning in for sure!
It's over.
EDIT: Oh i see.... the rebroadcast tomorrow 
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On January 23 2012 14:41 0neder wrote:
This is an awesome event. I'll be tuning in for sure!
That's gonna be a bit hard.
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The voting tells me the bandwagon for hero has come to a halt....interesting I must say.
Overall fun games, and I'm looking forward to more.
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Northern Ireland25275 Posts
On January 23 2012 14:03 wklbishop wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 13:54 GreyKnight wrote:On January 23 2012 13:50 wklbishop wrote:On January 23 2012 13:48 Bagration wrote:On January 23 2012 13:39 CosmicSpiral wrote:On January 23 2012 13:36 Bagration wrote:On January 23 2012 13:33 1Eris1 wrote:On January 23 2012 13:31 double620 wrote:
I feel like Polt belongs to CodeS and Hero belongs to CodeA. Not to mention other things, Polt basically outmicro and out multi-tasking Hero all the time.
I don't even think Hero belongs in Code A. He's never really proven he can even compete with the average Code Aer. The fact that Hero has survived elimination from Code A suggests that he belongs there. But his recent poor play, starting with the Blizzard Cup, is troubling for Hero's chances of remaining in Code A. But Hero was utterly destroyed by Polt today. I'm not sure if you can even call that "poor play", considering that Hero was never a top tier player in Korea. I was referring to the fact that he got knocked out in the group stages in HSC 4 and IEM Kiev. While he has never been a top Korean player, he at least was dominant against foreigners last year. Now it seems he cannot even beat them consistently. I think that's less indicative of his skill level and more indicative of the fact that the guy plays so much with foreigners that they kind of know of his style more and more as they had to prepare for him more. Look at the way he's been knocked out instead of results. He made a bunch of mistakes and build order choices. Nobody figured out his style. That's true of the games against Feast. But I feel like zerg players like Violet and Nerchio are better at dealing with his kind of harass, along with a few other players that while didn;t defeat him, still took a game or two off him. Not saying his style is figured out, just saying it's not as effective. I mean... I don't see him doing sentry drops or stuff like that to AS great effect as before.
That's a shame really if/when it happens. The PvZ style Hero and JYP developed in tandem (they are pretty good friends apparently) is so much more entertaining to watch than that of other players. Actually makes the matchup bearable to watch.
Hero is better than his haters make out, and worse than his fanboys like to think. He's a solid Code A level player, and he's had a pretty decent career thus far despite having the worst nerve issues of almost any player I've seen. The difference between Hero's A-game and when he is playing sloppily is just massive and hopefully he can conquer it.
Apart from as a reaction to overhype I don't get why people seem to want the guy who plays some of the most interesting styles of any Protoss to fail.
Also props to Polt, the guy is a beast at this game and is probably the most underrated player in all of Starcraft 2.
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On January 24 2012 01:02 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 14:03 wklbishop wrote:On January 23 2012 13:54 GreyKnight wrote:On January 23 2012 13:50 wklbishop wrote:On January 23 2012 13:48 Bagration wrote:On January 23 2012 13:39 CosmicSpiral wrote:On January 23 2012 13:36 Bagration wrote:On January 23 2012 13:33 1Eris1 wrote:On January 23 2012 13:31 double620 wrote:
I feel like Polt belongs to CodeS and Hero belongs to CodeA. Not to mention other things, Polt basically outmicro and out multi-tasking Hero all the time.
I don't even think Hero belongs in Code A. He's never really proven he can even compete with the average Code Aer. The fact that Hero has survived elimination from Code A suggests that he belongs there. But his recent poor play, starting with the Blizzard Cup, is troubling for Hero's chances of remaining in Code A. But Hero was utterly destroyed by Polt today. I'm not sure if you can even call that "poor play", considering that Hero was never a top tier player in Korea. I was referring to the fact that he got knocked out in the group stages in HSC 4 and IEM Kiev. While he has never been a top Korean player, he at least was dominant against foreigners last year. Now it seems he cannot even beat them consistently. I think that's less indicative of his skill level and more indicative of the fact that the guy plays so much with foreigners that they kind of know of his style more and more as they had to prepare for him more. Look at the way he's been knocked out instead of results. He made a bunch of mistakes and build order choices. Nobody figured out his style. That's true of the games against Feast. But I feel like zerg players like Violet and Nerchio are better at dealing with his kind of harass, along with a few other players that while didn;t defeat him, still took a game or two off him. Not saying his style is figured out, just saying it's not as effective. I mean... I don't see him doing sentry drops or stuff like that to AS great effect as before. That's a shame really if/when it happens. The PvZ style Hero and JYP developed in tandem (they are pretty good friends apparently) is so much more entertaining to watch than that of other players. Actually makes the matchup bearable to watch. Hero is better than his haters make out, and worse than his fanboys like to think. He's a solid Code A level player, and he's had a pretty decent career thus far despite having the worst nerve issues of almost any player I've seen. The difference between Hero's A-game and when he is playing sloppily is just massive and hopefully he can conquer it. Apart from as a reaction to overhype I don't get why people seem to want the guy who plays some of the most interesting styles of any Protoss to fail. Also props to Polt, the guy is a beast at this game and is probably the most underrated player in all of Starcraft 2.
i don't think people want hero to fail, but there have been many claims 1-2 months ago that he could be the best protoss in the world who revolutionizes pvz etc etc which were kinda annoying and only based on fanboyism (this was at the time when toss never advanced in gsl). i like him but objectively he isn't in the same league as polt or the very top of korea.
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On January 25 2012 06:56 msjakofsky wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 01:02 Wombat_NI wrote:On January 23 2012 14:03 wklbishop wrote:On January 23 2012 13:54 GreyKnight wrote:On January 23 2012 13:50 wklbishop wrote:On January 23 2012 13:48 Bagration wrote:On January 23 2012 13:39 CosmicSpiral wrote:On January 23 2012 13:36 Bagration wrote:On January 23 2012 13:33 1Eris1 wrote:On January 23 2012 13:31 double620 wrote:
I feel like Polt belongs to CodeS and Hero belongs to CodeA. Not to mention other things, Polt basically outmicro and out multi-tasking Hero all the time.
I don't even think Hero belongs in Code A. He's never really proven he can even compete with the average Code Aer. The fact that Hero has survived elimination from Code A suggests that he belongs there. But his recent poor play, starting with the Blizzard Cup, is troubling for Hero's chances of remaining in Code A. But Hero was utterly destroyed by Polt today. I'm not sure if you can even call that "poor play", considering that Hero was never a top tier player in Korea. I was referring to the fact that he got knocked out in the group stages in HSC 4 and IEM Kiev. While he has never been a top Korean player, he at least was dominant against foreigners last year. Now it seems he cannot even beat them consistently. I think that's less indicative of his skill level and more indicative of the fact that the guy plays so much with foreigners that they kind of know of his style more and more as they had to prepare for him more. Look at the way he's been knocked out instead of results. He made a bunch of mistakes and build order choices. Nobody figured out his style. That's true of the games against Feast. But I feel like zerg players like Violet and Nerchio are better at dealing with his kind of harass, along with a few other players that while didn;t defeat him, still took a game or two off him. Not saying his style is figured out, just saying it's not as effective. I mean... I don't see him doing sentry drops or stuff like that to AS great effect as before. That's a shame really if/when it happens. The PvZ style Hero and JYP developed in tandem (they are pretty good friends apparently) is so much more entertaining to watch than that of other players. Actually makes the matchup bearable to watch. Hero is better than his haters make out, and worse than his fanboys like to think. He's a solid Code A level player, and he's had a pretty decent career thus far despite having the worst nerve issues of almost any player I've seen. The difference between Hero's A-game and when he is playing sloppily is just massive and hopefully he can conquer it. Apart from as a reaction to overhype I don't get why people seem to want the guy who plays some of the most interesting styles of any Protoss to fail. Also props to Polt, the guy is a beast at this game and is probably the most underrated player in all of Starcraft 2. i don't think people want hero to fail, but there have been many claims 1-2 months ago that he could be the best protoss in the world who revolutionizes pvz etc etc which were kinda annoying and only based on fanboyism (this was at the time when toss never advanced in gsl). i like him but objectively he isn't in the same league as polt or the very top of korea.
haha definitely. there was this period when he was "untouchable". i think it was just a lot of love and excitement
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On January 24 2012 01:02 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 14:03 wklbishop wrote:On January 23 2012 13:54 GreyKnight wrote:On January 23 2012 13:50 wklbishop wrote:On January 23 2012 13:48 Bagration wrote:On January 23 2012 13:39 CosmicSpiral wrote:On January 23 2012 13:36 Bagration wrote:On January 23 2012 13:33 1Eris1 wrote:On January 23 2012 13:31 double620 wrote:
I feel like Polt belongs to CodeS and Hero belongs to CodeA. Not to mention other things, Polt basically outmicro and out multi-tasking Hero all the time.
I don't even think Hero belongs in Code A. He's never really proven he can even compete with the average Code Aer. The fact that Hero has survived elimination from Code A suggests that he belongs there. But his recent poor play, starting with the Blizzard Cup, is troubling for Hero's chances of remaining in Code A. But Hero was utterly destroyed by Polt today. I'm not sure if you can even call that "poor play", considering that Hero was never a top tier player in Korea. I was referring to the fact that he got knocked out in the group stages in HSC 4 and IEM Kiev. While he has never been a top Korean player, he at least was dominant against foreigners last year. Now it seems he cannot even beat them consistently. I think that's less indicative of his skill level and more indicative of the fact that the guy plays so much with foreigners that they kind of know of his style more and more as they had to prepare for him more. Look at the way he's been knocked out instead of results. He made a bunch of mistakes and build order choices. Nobody figured out his style. That's true of the games against Feast. But I feel like zerg players like Violet and Nerchio are better at dealing with his kind of harass, along with a few other players that while didn;t defeat him, still took a game or two off him. Not saying his style is figured out, just saying it's not as effective. I mean... I don't see him doing sentry drops or stuff like that to AS great effect as before. That's a shame really if/when it happens. The PvZ style Hero and JYP developed in tandem (they are pretty good friends apparently) is so much more entertaining to watch than that of other players. Actually makes the matchup bearable to watch. Hero is better than his haters make out, and worse than his fanboys like to think. He's a solid Code A level player, and he's had a pretty decent career thus far despite having the worst nerve issues of almost any player I've seen. The difference between Hero's A-game and when he is playing sloppily is just massive and hopefully he can conquer it. Apart from as a reaction to overhype I don't get why people seem to want the guy who plays some of the most interesting styles of any Protoss to fail. Also props to Polt, the guy is a beast at this game and is probably the most underrated player in all of Starcraft 2.
I highly doubt you could peace together more than 5 people who actually legiteamately want "Hero to fail", it's just that people have taken to calling the guy the Best PvZer, Best Protoss due to some nice foreign tourney runs all well he was flopping out hard in Code A.
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On January 25 2012 08:00 1Eris1 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 01:02 Wombat_NI wrote:On January 23 2012 14:03 wklbishop wrote:On January 23 2012 13:54 GreyKnight wrote:On January 23 2012 13:50 wklbishop wrote:On January 23 2012 13:48 Bagration wrote:On January 23 2012 13:39 CosmicSpiral wrote:On January 23 2012 13:36 Bagration wrote:On January 23 2012 13:33 1Eris1 wrote:On January 23 2012 13:31 double620 wrote:
I feel like Polt belongs to CodeS and Hero belongs to CodeA. Not to mention other things, Polt basically outmicro and out multi-tasking Hero all the time.
I don't even think Hero belongs in Code A. He's never really proven he can even compete with the average Code Aer. The fact that Hero has survived elimination from Code A suggests that he belongs there. But his recent poor play, starting with the Blizzard Cup, is troubling for Hero's chances of remaining in Code A. But Hero was utterly destroyed by Polt today. I'm not sure if you can even call that "poor play", considering that Hero was never a top tier player in Korea. I was referring to the fact that he got knocked out in the group stages in HSC 4 and IEM Kiev. While he has never been a top Korean player, he at least was dominant against foreigners last year. Now it seems he cannot even beat them consistently. I think that's less indicative of his skill level and more indicative of the fact that the guy plays so much with foreigners that they kind of know of his style more and more as they had to prepare for him more. Look at the way he's been knocked out instead of results. He made a bunch of mistakes and build order choices. Nobody figured out his style. That's true of the games against Feast. But I feel like zerg players like Violet and Nerchio are better at dealing with his kind of harass, along with a few other players that while didn;t defeat him, still took a game or two off him. Not saying his style is figured out, just saying it's not as effective. I mean... I don't see him doing sentry drops or stuff like that to AS great effect as before. That's a shame really if/when it happens. The PvZ style Hero and JYP developed in tandem (they are pretty good friends apparently) is so much more entertaining to watch than that of other players. Actually makes the matchup bearable to watch. Hero is better than his haters make out, and worse than his fanboys like to think. He's a solid Code A level player, and he's had a pretty decent career thus far despite having the worst nerve issues of almost any player I've seen. The difference between Hero's A-game and when he is playing sloppily is just massive and hopefully he can conquer it. Apart from as a reaction to overhype I don't get why people seem to want the guy who plays some of the most interesting styles of any Protoss to fail. Also props to Polt, the guy is a beast at this game and is probably the most underrated player in all of Starcraft 2. I highly doubt you could peace together more than 5 people who actually legiteamately want "Hero to fail", it's just that people have taken to calling the guy the Best PvZer, Best Protoss due to some nice foreign tourney runs all well he was flopping out hard in Code A.
There were probably more than 5 people who legitmately wanted "Hero to fail", but they were probably trolls, haters or Neo-Nazis. Either way, it's probably best to ignore them.
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Hero was never even the best protoss or pvzer at any time. He had the most opportunity and most foreign events attended and so he was beating foreigners.
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 Why Hero, why?
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