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Results are no surprise to me, or anyone I don't think. I did, however, have a secret hope that Idra would advance. Oh well...
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On January 12 2012 05:47 Flonomenalz wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2012 05:39 tdt wrote:On January 12 2012 03:04 Flonomenalz wrote:On January 12 2012 02:43 roflSloth wrote:On January 12 2012 01:57 Aocowns wrote:On January 12 2012 01:41 PureBalls wrote:On January 12 2012 01:04 Aocowns wrote:On January 12 2012 01:03 trinxified wrote:
I'm actually very surprised Idra won a single game... I was expecting nothing. Then you're kind of under estimating him I think... Idra is a stronger Zerg than Lucky How did he lose then? Maybe because Lucky luckily blindcountered Idras attack in G2 with a roach +1 timing, which doesn't really give an accurate depiction of eithers skill what so ever. In the 3rd game, Lucky hit a lucky timing 10 secs before Idra's hydras, because he did a weird timing. Ever other player would have done the intelligent thing, and wait for the upgrades to hit, and not attack 30 seconds before they finish -.- I don't think Lucky had any information on Idra that could've triggered that kind of response. I think he just got lucky for once XD lol. "he lost because his opponent did something STUPID that any GOOD player wouldn't have done", how Idra-esque. This gave me flashbacks to Idra's excuses as to why he lost that showmatch vs F91 Edit: lol, found the thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=88342Rekrul really went on a tear Okay, honestly, I don't usually involve myself in Idra talks, but what do you expect him to say? There was no information for Lucky to know attacking right then and there would be a good idea, he just did it. Upgrades are an important facet of the game, as I'm sure you know, and battles change so much regarding upgrades. When you do a +1 roach timing, you NEED to have that +1 finish. But because of what Idra was going, Lucky didn't need the +1 because he just decided to go a few seconds before Idra's hydras. There's no skill involved there at all, it just so happened. Whether Lucky is better than Idra is a different argument that I don't feel like getting into at all, but to say people are making excuses when we're simply pointing out a random instance that had no skill involved whatsoever. Random is part of skill - you'd understand if you read Rekrul's slaying of IdrA who unfortunatly has not changed. I read Rekrul's slaying of Idra. Idra has changed, I don't know what you're talking about. What Idra was talking about then and what happened in this game are two different things entirely. There was a "standard" and "smart" style to play on that map in those positions in BW, and his opponent didn't play them, and Idra was mad. That is his fault completely. But there is no set style in ZvZ, no set timings, nothing, a lot of pros say it's about feel, and the best players do have that sixth sense that allows them to know things, but if you look at replays carefully, they always still base it off of some sort of information. There was almost no information behind that attack, and in ZvZ in general there is relatively no information the entire time until Lair tech and you can afford multiple overseers. Do you guys even play Zerg? Because if you did you'd understand what I'm trying to say here...
You clearly don't, that's for sure. There ARE a finite number of openings in ZvZ that center around either expanding with speedlings, or pressuring with bling/ling, or defending against bling/ling with roach/ling and expanding, etc... It might look random and chaotic to you, but someone who goes in to a ZvZ and just does whateverthefuck they think of in that moment WILL lose to someone like Nestea, who knows the timings and what the scouting info tells him about a player's build.
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On January 12 2012 05:47 Flonomenalz wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2012 05:39 tdt wrote:On January 12 2012 03:04 Flonomenalz wrote:On January 12 2012 02:43 roflSloth wrote:On January 12 2012 01:57 Aocowns wrote:On January 12 2012 01:41 PureBalls wrote:On January 12 2012 01:04 Aocowns wrote:On January 12 2012 01:03 trinxified wrote:
I'm actually very surprised Idra won a single game... I was expecting nothing. Then you're kind of under estimating him I think... Idra is a stronger Zerg than Lucky How did he lose then? Maybe because Lucky luckily blindcountered Idras attack in G2 with a roach +1 timing, which doesn't really give an accurate depiction of eithers skill what so ever. In the 3rd game, Lucky hit a lucky timing 10 secs before Idra's hydras, because he did a weird timing. Ever other player would have done the intelligent thing, and wait for the upgrades to hit, and not attack 30 seconds before they finish -.- I don't think Lucky had any information on Idra that could've triggered that kind of response. I think he just got lucky for once XD lol. "he lost because his opponent did something STUPID that any GOOD player wouldn't have done", how Idra-esque. This gave me flashbacks to Idra's excuses as to why he lost that showmatch vs F91 Edit: lol, found the thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=88342Rekrul really went on a tear Okay, honestly, I don't usually involve myself in Idra talks, but what do you expect him to say? There was no information for Lucky to know attacking right then and there would be a good idea, he just did it. Upgrades are an important facet of the game, as I'm sure you know, and battles change so much regarding upgrades. When you do a +1 roach timing, you NEED to have that +1 finish. But because of what Idra was going, Lucky didn't need the +1 because he just decided to go a few seconds before Idra's hydras. There's no skill involved there at all, it just so happened. Whether Lucky is better than Idra is a different argument that I don't feel like getting into at all, but to say people are making excuses when we're simply pointing out a random instance that had no skill involved whatsoever. Random is part of skill - you'd understand if you read Rekrul's slaying of IdrA who unfortunatly has not changed. I read Rekrul's slaying of Idra. Idra has changed, I don't know what you're talking about. What Idra was talking about then and what happened in this game are two different things entirely. There was a "standard" and "smart" style to play on that map in those positions in BW, and his opponent didn't play them, and Idra was mad. That is his fault completely. But there is no set style in ZvZ, no set timings, nothing, a lot of pros say it's about feel, and the best players do have that sixth sense that allows them to know things, but if you look at replays carefully, they always still base it off of some sort of information. There was almost no information behind that attack, and in ZvZ in general there is relatively no information the entire time until Lair tech and you can afford multiple overseers. Do you guys even play Zerg? Because if you did you'd understand what I'm trying to say here...
Most IdrA haters either don't understand the game or are incapable of analyzing his games objectively.
IdrA has had his share of bad games. But for someone to look at his games against Lucky and just assume that IdrA 'sucks' is just dumb.
He lost, barely, in the most volatile and unforgiving match-up ... well, maybe PvP is dicier. They're nothing embarassing about how IdrA lost, at all.
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WHY MVP IS SO AMAZING WHYYYYYYY <33333333333333333333333333333333333
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On January 12 2012 05:59 worldsnap wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2012 05:47 Flonomenalz wrote:On January 12 2012 05:39 tdt wrote:On January 12 2012 03:04 Flonomenalz wrote:On January 12 2012 02:43 roflSloth wrote:On January 12 2012 01:57 Aocowns wrote:On January 12 2012 01:41 PureBalls wrote:On January 12 2012 01:04 Aocowns wrote:On January 12 2012 01:03 trinxified wrote:
I'm actually very surprised Idra won a single game... I was expecting nothing. Then you're kind of under estimating him I think... Idra is a stronger Zerg than Lucky How did he lose then? Maybe because Lucky luckily blindcountered Idras attack in G2 with a roach +1 timing, which doesn't really give an accurate depiction of eithers skill what so ever. In the 3rd game, Lucky hit a lucky timing 10 secs before Idra's hydras, because he did a weird timing. Ever other player would have done the intelligent thing, and wait for the upgrades to hit, and not attack 30 seconds before they finish -.- I don't think Lucky had any information on Idra that could've triggered that kind of response. I think he just got lucky for once XD lol. "he lost because his opponent did something STUPID that any GOOD player wouldn't have done", how Idra-esque. This gave me flashbacks to Idra's excuses as to why he lost that showmatch vs F91 Edit: lol, found the thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=88342Rekrul really went on a tear Okay, honestly, I don't usually involve myself in Idra talks, but what do you expect him to say? There was no information for Lucky to know attacking right then and there would be a good idea, he just did it. Upgrades are an important facet of the game, as I'm sure you know, and battles change so much regarding upgrades. When you do a +1 roach timing, you NEED to have that +1 finish. But because of what Idra was going, Lucky didn't need the +1 because he just decided to go a few seconds before Idra's hydras. There's no skill involved there at all, it just so happened. Whether Lucky is better than Idra is a different argument that I don't feel like getting into at all, but to say people are making excuses when we're simply pointing out a random instance that had no skill involved whatsoever. Random is part of skill - you'd understand if you read Rekrul's slaying of IdrA who unfortunatly has not changed. I read Rekrul's slaying of Idra. Idra has changed, I don't know what you're talking about. What Idra was talking about then and what happened in this game are two different things entirely. There was a "standard" and "smart" style to play on that map in those positions in BW, and his opponent didn't play them, and Idra was mad. That is his fault completely. But there is no set style in ZvZ, no set timings, nothing, a lot of pros say it's about feel, and the best players do have that sixth sense that allows them to know things, but if you look at replays carefully, they always still base it off of some sort of information. There was almost no information behind that attack, and in ZvZ in general there is relatively no information the entire time until Lair tech and you can afford multiple overseers. Do you guys even play Zerg? Because if you did you'd understand what I'm trying to say here... You clearly don't, that's for sure. There ARE a finite number of openings in ZvZ that center around either expanding with speedlings, or pressuring with bling/ling, or defending against bling/ling with roach/ling and expanding, etc... It might look random and chaotic to you, but someone who goes in to a ZvZ and just does whateverthefuck they think of in that moment WILL lose to someone like Nestea, who knows the timings and what the scouting info tells him about a player's build.
What?
You're talking about early game timings and I'm talking about Lair timings, upgrade timings, tech timings, etc. It's not like Idra lost to a Lucky ling/bling all in designed to take advantage of his 15 hatch or something.
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On January 12 2012 05:59 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2012 05:47 Flonomenalz wrote:On January 12 2012 05:39 tdt wrote:On January 12 2012 03:04 Flonomenalz wrote:On January 12 2012 02:43 roflSloth wrote:On January 12 2012 01:57 Aocowns wrote:On January 12 2012 01:41 PureBalls wrote:On January 12 2012 01:04 Aocowns wrote:On January 12 2012 01:03 trinxified wrote:
I'm actually very surprised Idra won a single game... I was expecting nothing. Then you're kind of under estimating him I think... Idra is a stronger Zerg than Lucky How did he lose then? Maybe because Lucky luckily blindcountered Idras attack in G2 with a roach +1 timing, which doesn't really give an accurate depiction of eithers skill what so ever. In the 3rd game, Lucky hit a lucky timing 10 secs before Idra's hydras, because he did a weird timing. Ever other player would have done the intelligent thing, and wait for the upgrades to hit, and not attack 30 seconds before they finish -.- I don't think Lucky had any information on Idra that could've triggered that kind of response. I think he just got lucky for once XD lol. "he lost because his opponent did something STUPID that any GOOD player wouldn't have done", how Idra-esque. This gave me flashbacks to Idra's excuses as to why he lost that showmatch vs F91 Edit: lol, found the thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=88342Rekrul really went on a tear Okay, honestly, I don't usually involve myself in Idra talks, but what do you expect him to say? There was no information for Lucky to know attacking right then and there would be a good idea, he just did it. Upgrades are an important facet of the game, as I'm sure you know, and battles change so much regarding upgrades. When you do a +1 roach timing, you NEED to have that +1 finish. But because of what Idra was going, Lucky didn't need the +1 because he just decided to go a few seconds before Idra's hydras. There's no skill involved there at all, it just so happened. Whether Lucky is better than Idra is a different argument that I don't feel like getting into at all, but to say people are making excuses when we're simply pointing out a random instance that had no skill involved whatsoever. Random is part of skill - you'd understand if you read Rekrul's slaying of IdrA who unfortunatly has not changed. I read Rekrul's slaying of Idra. Idra has changed, I don't know what you're talking about. What Idra was talking about then and what happened in this game are two different things entirely. There was a "standard" and "smart" style to play on that map in those positions in BW, and his opponent didn't play them, and Idra was mad. That is his fault completely. But there is no set style in ZvZ, no set timings, nothing, a lot of pros say it's about feel, and the best players do have that sixth sense that allows them to know things, but if you look at replays carefully, they always still base it off of some sort of information. There was almost no information behind that attack, and in ZvZ in general there is relatively no information the entire time until Lair tech and you can afford multiple overseers. Do you guys even play Zerg? Because if you did you'd understand what I'm trying to say here... Most IdrA haters either don't understand the game or are incapable of analyzing his games objectively. IdrA has had his share of bad games. But for someone to look at his games against Lucky and just assume that IdrA 'sucks' is just dumb. He lost, barely, in the most volatile and unforgiving match-up ... well, maybe PvP is dicier. They're nothing embarassing about how IdrA lost, at all.
Thank you.
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Finland2292 Posts
On January 12 2012 05:43 ZAiNs wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2012 05:39 Tachion wrote:
hah, MVP pulling out the blizzcon ring was so baller. First ceremony I've ever seen him do. Pfffft. Mvp is an amateur, that was already done by the ceremony king Genius.
I thought his ceremony is the long yawn he does after destroying some poor nerd in the most one-sided fashion. :D
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Lucky doesn't deserve criticism for winning. Pouting about the games doesn't change anything.
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Hmm I expected MVP to be on top, with Nestea second, and Lucky third. I want to see more of Nestea... it's so difficult to judge his skill based on his recent results. They seem inconsistent.
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where are the interviews?
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On January 12 2012 05:59 Defacer wrote:
Most IdrA haters either don't understand the game or are incapable of analyzing his games objectively.
What?
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Really now?
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yeahyeah Idra fans will hate me for this, BUT: Idra lacks some skills besides macro. His micro is really bad (for a high level pro), his decision making is ok but not great, his choice of strategy is questionable at times and his tactical abilities are also very poor at times. He really needs to work on these things to be a complete player and be able to compete at the highest level, which is GSL Code S at the moment. Lucky may be the inferior player in terms of macro, and therefore lost the macro game clearly (where idra also played strategically well and the move with holding back the mutas was very nice, therefore i put in times in strategy and tactics) but in the third game he showed his lack of strategically and tactically constance. he lost the 2nd game to a roach +1 timing and those things happen. BUT they should never happen 2times in a row. And it's complete bullshit to say, that if Lucky hits 10sec later in game 3, Idra is fine. If Lucky hits 10sec later he might also have more units. What made him win this so clearly wasn't the amount of units he had or the fact that Idra did not have his Hydras out.
He made a great move with his roaches. He stutter stepped all of them in close contact at first so that most of them could fire, and then stutter stepped a part of them further into a flank, so that not just only every roach of him could deal its damage, but also he got access to the hydras. This shows a micro ability at first (not a great so, because stutter stepping is very easy with a unit that has 2sec attack speed) but also a tactical understanding. He understands how those battle works and what he has to do, to make roach only in little superior numbers work against roach hydra. And at this point he seems far ahead of Idra, who never showed those abilities in any of his games I ever saw.
Idra is one of the best foreigners, but that means on the other hand, that right now no foreigner except for maybe Naniwa has the skill to compete in Code S on a solid base. Foreigners have now 2 months of time to get into shape for the next 2 seeds. We'll see what happens next season!
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On January 12 2012 06:21 TeeTS wrote:
yeahyeah Idra fans will hate me for this, BUT: Idra lacks some skills besides macro. His micro is really bad (for a high level pro), his decision making is ok but not great, his choice of strategy is questionable at times and his tactical abilities are also very poor at times. He really needs to work on these things to be a complete player and be able to compete at the highest level, which is GSL Code S at the moment. Lucky may be the inferior player in terms of macro, and therefore lost the macro game clearly (where idra also played strategically well and the move with holding back the mutas was very nice, therefore i put in times in strategy and tactics) but in the third game he showed his lack of strategically and tactically constance. he lost the 2nd game to a roach +1 timing and those things happen. BUT they should never happen 2times in a row. And it's complete bullshit to say, that if Lucky hits 10sec later in game 3, Idra is fine. If Lucky hits 10sec later he might also have more units. What made him win this so clearly wasn't the amount of units he had or the fact that Idra did not have his Hydras out.
He made a great move with his roaches. He stutter stepped all of them in close contact at first so that most of them could fire, and then stutter stepped a part of them further into a flank, so that not just only every roach of him could deal its damage, but also he got access to the hydras. This shows a micro ability at first (not a great so, because stutter stepping is very easy with a unit that has 2sec attack speed) but also a tactical understanding. He understands how those battle works and what he has to do, to make roach only in little superior numbers work against roach hydra. And at this point he seems far ahead of Idra, who never showed those abilities in any of his games I ever saw.
Idra is one of the best foreigners, but that means on the other hand, that right now no foreigner except for maybe Naniwa has the skill to compete in Code S on a solid base. Foreigners have now 2 months of time to get into shape for the next 2 seeds. We'll see what happens next season!
You make a critiquing post with no information to back it up (such as Idra having poor micro) and then admit to being a Naniwa fanboy, because I can't see how you would peg Naniwa as being the only person to compete in Code S on a solid base when Huk did it for a while.
Lol, okay now I'm really done in this thread.
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On January 12 2012 06:21 TeeTS wrote:
yeahyeah Idra fans will hate me for this, BUT: Idra lacks some skills besides macro. His micro is really bad (for a high level pro), his decision making is ok but not great, his choice of strategy is questionable at times and his tactical abilities are also very poor at times. He really needs to work on these things to be a complete player and be able to compete at the highest level, which is GSL Code S at the moment. Lucky may be the inferior player in terms of macro, and therefore lost the macro game clearly (where idra also played strategically well and the move with holding back the mutas was very nice, therefore i put in times in strategy and tactics) but in the third game he showed his lack of strategically and tactically constance. he lost the 2nd game to a roach +1 timing and those things happen. BUT they should never happen 2times in a row. And it's complete bullshit to say, that if Lucky hits 10sec later in game 3, Idra is fine. If Lucky hits 10sec later he might also have more units. What made him win this so clearly wasn't the amount of units he had or the fact that Idra did not have his Hydras out.
He made a great move with his roaches. He stutter stepped all of them in close contact at first so that most of them could fire, and then stutter stepped a part of them further into a flank, so that not just only every roach of him could deal its damage, but also he got access to the hydras. This shows a micro ability at first (not a great so, because stutter stepping is very easy with a unit that has 2sec attack speed) but also a tactical understanding. He understands how those battle works and what he has to do, to make roach only in little superior numbers work against roach hydra. And at this point he seems far ahead of Idra, who never showed those abilities in any of his games I ever saw.
Idra is one of the best foreigners, but that means on the other hand, that right now no foreigner except for maybe Naniwa has the skill to compete in Code S on a solid base. Foreigners have now 2 months of time to get into shape for the next 2 seeds. We'll see what happens next season!
Don't really like IdrA or Naniwa, but I'd just like to point out that HuK is the only foreigner to have proved himself in Code S. Naniwa has an abysmal track record so far (1-11? or something like that) so I'm not sure how you can make that claim.
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On January 12 2012 06:21 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2012 05:59 Defacer wrote:
Most IdrA haters either don't understand the game or are incapable of analyzing his games objectively.
What? ._. Really now?
Hey, there's critics and then there's haters.
Where's the 50 pages of people busting Sen's chops? His performance was truly bad.
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I'm sad, I was looking forward to MC picking Idra in Ro16 
On January 12 2012 06:35 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2012 06:21 StarStruck wrote:On January 12 2012 05:59 Defacer wrote:
Most IdrA haters either don't understand the game or are incapable of analyzing his games objectively.
What? ._. Really now? Hey, there's critics and then there's haters. Where's the 50 pages of people busting Sen's chops? His performance was truly bad.
In the LR thread the day he played.
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On January 12 2012 06:39 snafoo wrote:I'm sad, I was looking forward to MC picking Idra in Ro16
Yea taht would've been epic.
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On January 12 2012 06:32 ZasZ. wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2012 06:21 TeeTS wrote:
yeahyeah Idra fans will hate me for this, BUT: Idra lacks some skills besides macro. His micro is really bad (for a high level pro), his decision making is ok but not great, his choice of strategy is questionable at times and his tactical abilities are also very poor at times. He really needs to work on these things to be a complete player and be able to compete at the highest level, which is GSL Code S at the moment. Lucky may be the inferior player in terms of macro, and therefore lost the macro game clearly (where idra also played strategically well and the move with holding back the mutas was very nice, therefore i put in times in strategy and tactics) but in the third game he showed his lack of strategically and tactically constance. he lost the 2nd game to a roach +1 timing and those things happen. BUT they should never happen 2times in a row. And it's complete bullshit to say, that if Lucky hits 10sec later in game 3, Idra is fine. If Lucky hits 10sec later he might also have more units. What made him win this so clearly wasn't the amount of units he had or the fact that Idra did not have his Hydras out.
He made a great move with his roaches. He stutter stepped all of them in close contact at first so that most of them could fire, and then stutter stepped a part of them further into a flank, so that not just only every roach of him could deal its damage, but also he got access to the hydras. This shows a micro ability at first (not a great so, because stutter stepping is very easy with a unit that has 2sec attack speed) but also a tactical understanding. He understands how those battle works and what he has to do, to make roach only in little superior numbers work against roach hydra. And at this point he seems far ahead of Idra, who never showed those abilities in any of his games I ever saw.
Idra is one of the best foreigners, but that means on the other hand, that right now no foreigner except for maybe Naniwa has the skill to compete in Code S on a solid base. Foreigners have now 2 months of time to get into shape for the next 2 seeds. We'll see what happens next season! Don't really like IdrA or Naniwa, but I'd just like to point out that HuK is the only foreigner to have proved himself in Code S. Naniwa has an abysmal track record so far (1-11? or something like that) so I'm not sure how you can make that claim.
Huk is the only one recently  Jinro and Idra both proved themselves earlier on in GSL 
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On January 12 2012 05:59 worldsnap wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2012 05:47 Flonomenalz wrote:On January 12 2012 05:39 tdt wrote:On January 12 2012 03:04 Flonomenalz wrote:On January 12 2012 02:43 roflSloth wrote:On January 12 2012 01:57 Aocowns wrote:On January 12 2012 01:41 PureBalls wrote:On January 12 2012 01:04 Aocowns wrote:On January 12 2012 01:03 trinxified wrote:
I'm actually very surprised Idra won a single game... I was expecting nothing. Then you're kind of under estimating him I think... Idra is a stronger Zerg than Lucky How did he lose then? Maybe because Lucky luckily blindcountered Idras attack in G2 with a roach +1 timing, which doesn't really give an accurate depiction of eithers skill what so ever. In the 3rd game, Lucky hit a lucky timing 10 secs before Idra's hydras, because he did a weird timing. Ever other player would have done the intelligent thing, and wait for the upgrades to hit, and not attack 30 seconds before they finish -.- I don't think Lucky had any information on Idra that could've triggered that kind of response. I think he just got lucky for once XD lol. "he lost because his opponent did something STUPID that any GOOD player wouldn't have done", how Idra-esque. This gave me flashbacks to Idra's excuses as to why he lost that showmatch vs F91 Edit: lol, found the thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=88342Rekrul really went on a tear Okay, honestly, I don't usually involve myself in Idra talks, but what do you expect him to say? There was no information for Lucky to know attacking right then and there would be a good idea, he just did it. Upgrades are an important facet of the game, as I'm sure you know, and battles change so much regarding upgrades. When you do a +1 roach timing, you NEED to have that +1 finish. But because of what Idra was going, Lucky didn't need the +1 because he just decided to go a few seconds before Idra's hydras. There's no skill involved there at all, it just so happened. Whether Lucky is better than Idra is a different argument that I don't feel like getting into at all, but to say people are making excuses when we're simply pointing out a random instance that had no skill involved whatsoever. Random is part of skill - you'd understand if you read Rekrul's slaying of IdrA who unfortunatly has not changed. I read Rekrul's slaying of Idra. Idra has changed, I don't know what you're talking about. What Idra was talking about then and what happened in this game are two different things entirely. There was a "standard" and "smart" style to play on that map in those positions in BW, and his opponent didn't play them, and Idra was mad. That is his fault completely. But there is no set style in ZvZ, no set timings, nothing, a lot of pros say it's about feel, and the best players do have that sixth sense that allows them to know things, but if you look at replays carefully, they always still base it off of some sort of information. There was almost no information behind that attack, and in ZvZ in general there is relatively no information the entire time until Lair tech and you can afford multiple overseers. Do you guys even play Zerg? Because if you did you'd understand what I'm trying to say here... You clearly don't, that's for sure. There ARE a finite number of openings in ZvZ that center around either expanding with speedlings, or pressuring with bling/ling, or defending against bling/ling with roach/ling and expanding, etc... It might look random and chaotic to you, but someone who goes in to a ZvZ and just does whateverthefuck they think of in that moment WILL lose to someone like Nestea, who knows the timings and what the scouting info tells him about a player's build.
I'm not sure if this was mentioned, but in the second game idra was trying to get ling scouts in Lucky's base, and lucky sacrificed 4 or 5 banelings to probably six lings. Artosis was critical of lucky at the time, but obviously denying the scout was worth losing banelings inefficiently. A bit risky if idra had a round of lings ready though.
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United Kingdom10823 Posts
On January 12 2012 06:32 ZasZ. wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2012 06:21 TeeTS wrote:
yeahyeah Idra fans will hate me for this, BUT: Idra lacks some skills besides macro. His micro is really bad (for a high level pro), his decision making is ok but not great, his choice of strategy is questionable at times and his tactical abilities are also very poor at times. He really needs to work on these things to be a complete player and be able to compete at the highest level, which is GSL Code S at the moment. Lucky may be the inferior player in terms of macro, and therefore lost the macro game clearly (where idra also played strategically well and the move with holding back the mutas was very nice, therefore i put in times in strategy and tactics) but in the third game he showed his lack of strategically and tactically constance. he lost the 2nd game to a roach +1 timing and those things happen. BUT they should never happen 2times in a row. And it's complete bullshit to say, that if Lucky hits 10sec later in game 3, Idra is fine. If Lucky hits 10sec later he might also have more units. What made him win this so clearly wasn't the amount of units he had or the fact that Idra did not have his Hydras out.
He made a great move with his roaches. He stutter stepped all of them in close contact at first so that most of them could fire, and then stutter stepped a part of them further into a flank, so that not just only every roach of him could deal its damage, but also he got access to the hydras. This shows a micro ability at first (not a great so, because stutter stepping is very easy with a unit that has 2sec attack speed) but also a tactical understanding. He understands how those battle works and what he has to do, to make roach only in little superior numbers work against roach hydra. And at this point he seems far ahead of Idra, who never showed those abilities in any of his games I ever saw.
Idra is one of the best foreigners, but that means on the other hand, that right now no foreigner except for maybe Naniwa has the skill to compete in Code S on a solid base. Foreigners have now 2 months of time to get into shape for the next 2 seeds. We'll see what happens next season! Don't really like IdrA or Naniwa, but I'd just like to point out that HuK is the only foreigner to have proved himself in Code S. Naniwa has an abysmal track record so far (1-11? or something like that) so I'm not sure how you can make that claim.
*cough* Jinro *cough*
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