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On January 12 2012 08:11 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2012 07:20 aintz wrote:On January 12 2012 06:49 Hassybaby wrote:On January 12 2012 06:32 ZasZ. wrote:On January 12 2012 06:21 TeeTS wrote:
yeahyeah Idra fans will hate me for this, BUT: Idra lacks some skills besides macro. His micro is really bad (for a high level pro), his decision making is ok but not great, his choice of strategy is questionable at times and his tactical abilities are also very poor at times. He really needs to work on these things to be a complete player and be able to compete at the highest level, which is GSL Code S at the moment. Lucky may be the inferior player in terms of macro, and therefore lost the macro game clearly (where idra also played strategically well and the move with holding back the mutas was very nice, therefore i put in times in strategy and tactics) but in the third game he showed his lack of strategically and tactically constance. he lost the 2nd game to a roach +1 timing and those things happen. BUT they should never happen 2times in a row. And it's complete bullshit to say, that if Lucky hits 10sec later in game 3, Idra is fine. If Lucky hits 10sec later he might also have more units. What made him win this so clearly wasn't the amount of units he had or the fact that Idra did not have his Hydras out.
He made a great move with his roaches. He stutter stepped all of them in close contact at first so that most of them could fire, and then stutter stepped a part of them further into a flank, so that not just only every roach of him could deal its damage, but also he got access to the hydras. This shows a micro ability at first (not a great so, because stutter stepping is very easy with a unit that has 2sec attack speed) but also a tactical understanding. He understands how those battle works and what he has to do, to make roach only in little superior numbers work against roach hydra. And at this point he seems far ahead of Idra, who never showed those abilities in any of his games I ever saw.
Idra is one of the best foreigners, but that means on the other hand, that right now no foreigner except for maybe Naniwa has the skill to compete in Code S on a solid base. Foreigners have now 2 months of time to get into shape for the next 2 seeds. We'll see what happens next season! Don't really like IdrA or Naniwa, but I'd just like to point out that HuK is the only foreigner to have proved himself in Code S. Naniwa has an abysmal track record so far (1-11? or something like that) so I'm not sure how you can make that claim. *cough* Jinro *cough* Twice like polt said, jinro got lucky. Then proceeded to get his ass kicked all over the studio by Jinro
Who then proceeded to drop into GSL oblivion while Polt wins 100k in the super tourney and continues to be a mainstay in Code S.
Lets try not to have narrow vision.
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MVP so manner, making it look close just for his fans. 
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Can we please, please, please, please stop seeding foreigners in the GSL now?
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i feel like mvp's nukes taking out the stockpiled larvae was the biggest thing in that final game and probably the reason he was so fond of using them.
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On January 12 2012 08:11 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2012 07:20 aintz wrote:On January 12 2012 06:49 Hassybaby wrote:On January 12 2012 06:32 ZasZ. wrote:On January 12 2012 06:21 TeeTS wrote:
yeahyeah Idra fans will hate me for this, BUT: Idra lacks some skills besides macro. His micro is really bad (for a high level pro), his decision making is ok but not great, his choice of strategy is questionable at times and his tactical abilities are also very poor at times. He really needs to work on these things to be a complete player and be able to compete at the highest level, which is GSL Code S at the moment. Lucky may be the inferior player in terms of macro, and therefore lost the macro game clearly (where idra also played strategically well and the move with holding back the mutas was very nice, therefore i put in times in strategy and tactics) but in the third game he showed his lack of strategically and tactically constance. he lost the 2nd game to a roach +1 timing and those things happen. BUT they should never happen 2times in a row. And it's complete bullshit to say, that if Lucky hits 10sec later in game 3, Idra is fine. If Lucky hits 10sec later he might also have more units. What made him win this so clearly wasn't the amount of units he had or the fact that Idra did not have his Hydras out.
He made a great move with his roaches. He stutter stepped all of them in close contact at first so that most of them could fire, and then stutter stepped a part of them further into a flank, so that not just only every roach of him could deal its damage, but also he got access to the hydras. This shows a micro ability at first (not a great so, because stutter stepping is very easy with a unit that has 2sec attack speed) but also a tactical understanding. He understands how those battle works and what he has to do, to make roach only in little superior numbers work against roach hydra. And at this point he seems far ahead of Idra, who never showed those abilities in any of his games I ever saw.
Idra is one of the best foreigners, but that means on the other hand, that right now no foreigner except for maybe Naniwa has the skill to compete in Code S on a solid base. Foreigners have now 2 months of time to get into shape for the next 2 seeds. We'll see what happens next season! Don't really like IdrA or Naniwa, but I'd just like to point out that HuK is the only foreigner to have proved himself in Code S. Naniwa has an abysmal track record so far (1-11? or something like that) so I'm not sure how you can make that claim. *cough* Jinro *cough* Twice like polt said, jinro got lucky. Then proceeded to get his ass kicked all over the studio by Jinro
Back when polt was still in university. Look what happened when he dedicated himself to the game? Raped the super tourny.
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consistency makes players, not skill or talent.
i hate the talent argument.
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What a shame Idra didn't get a crack at MVP. Considering how closely Lucky played in the final set I really wanna know how Idra would have stacked up.
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On January 12 2012 09:39 red4ce wrote:
What a shame Idra didn't get a crack at MVP. Considering how closely Lucky played in the final set I really wanna know how Idra would have stacked up.
LOL. MVP would have humiliated Idra. Does anyone honestly think idra has a chance against MVP?
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On January 12 2012 09:39 red4ce wrote:
What a shame Idra didn't get a crack at MVP. Considering how closely Lucky played in the final set I really wanna know how Idra would have stacked up.
The last game wasn't close, IMO. Every time MVP gets an early advantage TvZ, he just plays for the late game, dunno if he does this to humiliate his opponent or he's being ultra safe.
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Now all the idiots that said "Idra has a very good chance of beating MVP and Nestea" can shut up
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On January 12 2012 08:57 ch33psh33p wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2012 08:11 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On January 12 2012 07:20 aintz wrote:On January 12 2012 06:49 Hassybaby wrote:On January 12 2012 06:32 ZasZ. wrote:On January 12 2012 06:21 TeeTS wrote:
yeahyeah Idra fans will hate me for this, BUT: Idra lacks some skills besides macro. His micro is really bad (for a high level pro), his decision making is ok but not great, his choice of strategy is questionable at times and his tactical abilities are also very poor at times. He really needs to work on these things to be a complete player and be able to compete at the highest level, which is GSL Code S at the moment. Lucky may be the inferior player in terms of macro, and therefore lost the macro game clearly (where idra also played strategically well and the move with holding back the mutas was very nice, therefore i put in times in strategy and tactics) but in the third game he showed his lack of strategically and tactically constance. he lost the 2nd game to a roach +1 timing and those things happen. BUT they should never happen 2times in a row. And it's complete bullshit to say, that if Lucky hits 10sec later in game 3, Idra is fine. If Lucky hits 10sec later he might also have more units. What made him win this so clearly wasn't the amount of units he had or the fact that Idra did not have his Hydras out.
He made a great move with his roaches. He stutter stepped all of them in close contact at first so that most of them could fire, and then stutter stepped a part of them further into a flank, so that not just only every roach of him could deal its damage, but also he got access to the hydras. This shows a micro ability at first (not a great so, because stutter stepping is very easy with a unit that has 2sec attack speed) but also a tactical understanding. He understands how those battle works and what he has to do, to make roach only in little superior numbers work against roach hydra. And at this point he seems far ahead of Idra, who never showed those abilities in any of his games I ever saw.
Idra is one of the best foreigners, but that means on the other hand, that right now no foreigner except for maybe Naniwa has the skill to compete in Code S on a solid base. Foreigners have now 2 months of time to get into shape for the next 2 seeds. We'll see what happens next season! Don't really like IdrA or Naniwa, but I'd just like to point out that HuK is the only foreigner to have proved himself in Code S. Naniwa has an abysmal track record so far (1-11? or something like that) so I'm not sure how you can make that claim. *cough* Jinro *cough* Twice like polt said, jinro got lucky. Then proceeded to get his ass kicked all over the studio by Jinro Who then proceeded to drop into GSL oblivion while Polt wins 100k in the super tourney and continues to be a mainstay in Code S. Lets try not to have narrow vision.
Jinro proved himself in GSL. Ofcourse the skill-level was way lower overall and he couldn't keep up with the skill-level, but during the beginning of GSL he was pretty good compared to the koreans.
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On January 12 2012 09:51 redviper wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2012 09:39 red4ce wrote:
What a shame Idra didn't get a crack at MVP. Considering how closely Lucky played in the final set I really wanna know how Idra would have stacked up. LOL. MVP would have humiliated Idra. Does anyone honestly think idra has a chance against MVP?
I doubt he would have humiliated him, Idra's ZvT is quite good. I highly HIGHLY doubt he'd win (most likely 2-0 MVP) but it'd probably have been a nice game to watch.
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On January 12 2012 09:51 redviper wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2012 09:39 red4ce wrote:
What a shame Idra didn't get a crack at MVP. Considering how closely Lucky played in the final set I really wanna know how Idra would have stacked up. LOL. MVP would have humiliated Idra. Does anyone honestly think idra has a chance against MVP?
I don't think he would have "humiliated him", but the games would have played out very differently. I don't see IdrA making infinity spine crawlers and taking it into a super late game. MVP would harass, IdrA would all-in counter, MVP would hold it off perfectly, GG.
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On January 12 2012 01:57 Aocowns wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2012 01:41 PureBalls wrote:On January 12 2012 01:04 Aocowns wrote:On January 12 2012 01:03 trinxified wrote:
I'm actually very surprised Idra won a single game... I was expecting nothing. Then you're kind of under estimating him I think... Idra is a stronger Zerg than Lucky How did he lose then? Maybe because Lucky luckily blindcountered Idras attack in G2 with a roach +1 timing, which doesn't really give an accurate depiction of eithers skill what so ever. In the 3rd game, Lucky hit a lucky timing 10 secs before Idra's hydras, because he did a weird timing. Ever other player would have done the intelligent thing, and wait for the upgrades to hit, and not attack 30 seconds before they finish -.- I don't think Lucky had any information on Idra that could've triggered that kind of response. I think he just got lucky for once XD
I think he knew idra's 3rd timing, so he knew more or less idra's 3rd + x minutes was when he had to attack to catch idra at the end of his droning phase. Or something like that. These players rarely hit random timings imo. Lucky's attack was sudden and not aligned at all with his own (upgrades) timings. He took his own 3rd after idra's but didn't droned it, he used it to produce more roaches, which opened a perfect opportunity.
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so glad lucky beat idra, got to see an epic match with lucky vs mvp. hopefully i stand corrected when idra meets mvp and they too have good games.
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The Great White Nope strikes again.
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On January 12 2012 08:02 Zato-1 wrote:Idra 0-2, Sen 0-2... foreigners represent >> I miss HuK in Code S 
What I find funny is that should Idra and Huk make it out of their first Code A matches, they will play each other.
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where can i watch these matches? i missed out on the live stream cause i got home late last night
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These group results were my favorite yet!
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On January 12 2012 09:39 hnQ wrote:
consistency makes players, not skill or talent.
i hate the talent argument.
I dont like your argument either. Saying it consistency and hard work is all you need to be a good player is just as ridiculous as saying only talent/skill does. Some people are just born better in certain areas than others.
Think if work as hard as Michael Jordan did you'll be as good of a basketball player? Hell no, because even if you, by some miracle of god, get to the same level of ability as MJ you will never be as tall and therefore will always be at a disadvantage. What about those guys with very high IQs? Think someone like you could ever read and react to a situation in *insert sport/esport here* as quickly and correctly as those guys? Face it, hard work is a huge part of success but some people are just born luckier
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