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The casters just have no idea what they're talking about, this is pretty standard.
We can still have July, Yugioh and Hero all at 4-1, so nothing is set.
And that's IF we assume Yugioh wins here. If he loses he could be knocked straight out
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United States15275 Posts
On December 23 2011 21:20 XRaDiiX wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 21:19 CosmicSpiral wrote:On December 23 2011 21:12 XRaDiiX wrote:On December 23 2011 21:07 CosmicSpiral wrote:On December 23 2011 21:06 XRaDiiX wrote:On December 23 2011 21:04 CosmicSpiral wrote:On December 23 2011 21:02 XRaDiiX wrote:On December 23 2011 21:00 Angelbelow wrote:
Wow luvsic is playing horribly.. all that gas wasted on careless muta micro and useless banes. he must be REALLY nervous because theres no way his decision making is that poor. Not much you can do with a squishy Zerg army like that against proper Force Fields and Blink/ HT's Archons micro Luvisc could have done a million different things that would have helped him win. Like not attacking into that army at all with diminishing returns. No all the Protoss has to do is leave an archon few stalkers/cannons or Ht at each base and the zerg army can take a ton of damage to even 1-2 HT's because of its Clump/Squishy Factor. This was evident throughout every time Luvsic tried to counter attack. Actually the counterattacks did a lot of damage, Or did you miss the casters noting that Hero lost more than 60 probes? That alone should have put Luvsic significantly ahead if he bothered to expand properly and change his unit composition. And when you're on 4 base it's not hard to build a roach warren/tech to hive so you can move out of your current composition. Hero kept denying bases doesn't matter if hero lost 60 probes to be honest. A Zerg on Same amount of bases with such a squishy army that can be made obsolete to engage directly. Enough Photons and Ht's Archons spread for defense does wonders.... Also When hero lost his probes (the largest amount to banelings) he was still ahead! Hero just denied Luvsics expos constantly.. Really squishy Zerg army 1 Storm can deal 1000's of damage.... Denying expos should have meant very little since ling/bane/muta style requires you to have more bases than P in the first place. In fact you want to trade base for base with ling/bane/muta. Luvsic never expanded fast enough to take advantage of his army's mobility so the base trades were almost always in favor of Hero. And he mindlessly attacked into armies instead of controlling the map, denying bases, and setting up a transition into more gas-intensive tech (all the real strengths of that style). Exactly my point Hero had better economy more bases earlier whole game..
...because Luvsic played the game poorly. I'm not sure what we are disputing.
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On December 23 2011 21:21 Meiffeltower wrote:
cant july , yugi and hero all get 4-1 if yugi wins this ?.. then its tiebreakers?
yes exactly
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There's a lot of stupid people around here... -_-
Nothing is yet determined, we can have 3-way tie, we can have any of the three advancing, as it will all depend on the coming matches
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United Kingdom31255 Posts
Game 11 on Antiga Shipyard
In the bottom right is  Yugioh
In the top left is Luvsic
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On December 23 2011 21:19 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 21:12 XRaDiiX wrote:On December 23 2011 21:07 CosmicSpiral wrote:On December 23 2011 21:06 XRaDiiX wrote:On December 23 2011 21:04 CosmicSpiral wrote:On December 23 2011 21:02 XRaDiiX wrote:On December 23 2011 21:00 Angelbelow wrote:
Wow luvsic is playing horribly.. all that gas wasted on careless muta micro and useless banes. he must be REALLY nervous because theres no way his decision making is that poor. Not much you can do with a squishy Zerg army like that against proper Force Fields and Blink/ HT's Archons micro Luvisc could have done a million different things that would have helped him win. Like not attacking into that army at all with diminishing returns. No all the Protoss has to do is leave an archon few stalkers/cannons or Ht at each base and the zerg army can take a ton of damage to even 1-2 HT's because of its Clump/Squishy Factor. This was evident throughout every time Luvsic tried to counter attack. Actually the counterattacks did a lot of damage, Or did you miss the casters noting that Hero lost more than 60 probes? That alone should have put Luvsic significantly ahead if he bothered to expand properly and change his unit composition. And when you're on 4 base it's not hard to build a roach warren/tech to hive so you can move out of your current composition. Hero kept denying bases doesn't matter if hero lost 60 probes to be honest. A Zerg on Same amount of bases with such a squishy army that can be made obsolete to engage directly. Enough Photons and Ht's Archons spread for defense does wonders.... Also When hero lost his probes (the largest amount to banelings) he was still ahead! Hero just denied Luvsics expos constantly.. Really squishy Zerg army 1 Storm can deal 1000's of damage.... Denying expos should have meant very little since ling/bane/muta style requires you to have more bases than P in the first place. In fact you want to trade base for base with ling/bane/muta. Luvsic never expanded fast enough to take advantage of his army's mobility so the base trades were almost always in favor of Hero. And he mindlessly attacked into armies instead of controlling the map, denying bases, and setting up a transition into more gas-intensive tech (all the real strengths of that style).
with the ~10min third, he would have needed to play it 4-5base safe before mutalisks (just like you play 3base vs 2base safety before mutalisks in ZvP). So I guess it just doesn't make sense to go mutalisks in that scenario at all, as you could just go broodlords instead and due to the 200supply cap it is impossible to stay "safe" against 3base protoss in the first place without hive tech.
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United Kingdom10823 Posts
On December 23 2011 21:22 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 21:20 XRaDiiX wrote:On December 23 2011 21:19 CosmicSpiral wrote:On December 23 2011 21:12 XRaDiiX wrote:On December 23 2011 21:07 CosmicSpiral wrote:On December 23 2011 21:06 XRaDiiX wrote:On December 23 2011 21:04 CosmicSpiral wrote:On December 23 2011 21:02 XRaDiiX wrote:On December 23 2011 21:00 Angelbelow wrote:
Wow luvsic is playing horribly.. all that gas wasted on careless muta micro and useless banes. he must be REALLY nervous because theres no way his decision making is that poor. Not much you can do with a squishy Zerg army like that against proper Force Fields and Blink/ HT's Archons micro Luvisc could have done a million different things that would have helped him win. Like not attacking into that army at all with diminishing returns. No all the Protoss has to do is leave an archon few stalkers/cannons or Ht at each base and the zerg army can take a ton of damage to even 1-2 HT's because of its Clump/Squishy Factor. This was evident throughout every time Luvsic tried to counter attack. Actually the counterattacks did a lot of damage, Or did you miss the casters noting that Hero lost more than 60 probes? That alone should have put Luvsic significantly ahead if he bothered to expand properly and change his unit composition. And when you're on 4 base it's not hard to build a roach warren/tech to hive so you can move out of your current composition. Hero kept denying bases doesn't matter if hero lost 60 probes to be honest. A Zerg on Same amount of bases with such a squishy army that can be made obsolete to engage directly. Enough Photons and Ht's Archons spread for defense does wonders.... Also When hero lost his probes (the largest amount to banelings) he was still ahead! Hero just denied Luvsics expos constantly.. Really squishy Zerg army 1 Storm can deal 1000's of damage.... Denying expos should have meant very little since ling/bane/muta style requires you to have more bases than P in the first place. In fact you want to trade base for base with ling/bane/muta. Luvsic never expanded fast enough to take advantage of his army's mobility so the base trades were almost always in favor of Hero. And he mindlessly attacked into armies instead of controlling the map, denying bases, and setting up a transition into more gas-intensive tech (all the real strengths of that style). Exactly my point Hero had better economy more bases earlier whole game.. ...because Luvsic played the game poorly. I'm not sure what we are disputing.
God you guys, you're both wrong! Luvsic played bad!
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United Kingdom31255 Posts
On December 23 2011 21:22 Drazerk wrote:Game 11 on Antiga ShipyardIn the bottom right is Yugioh In the top left is Luvsic
3:10
Pool and hatchery on the way for both players
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Heck even JYP can advance if he wins his last two games.
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clide and luvsic are out..if yuigoh wins..with July beating hero..hero would have to win every single game for a 4-1 and hope july loses against JYP
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On December 23 2011 21:22 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 21:20 XRaDiiX wrote:On December 23 2011 21:19 CosmicSpiral wrote:On December 23 2011 21:12 XRaDiiX wrote:On December 23 2011 21:07 CosmicSpiral wrote:On December 23 2011 21:06 XRaDiiX wrote:On December 23 2011 21:04 CosmicSpiral wrote:On December 23 2011 21:02 XRaDiiX wrote:On December 23 2011 21:00 Angelbelow wrote:
Wow luvsic is playing horribly.. all that gas wasted on careless muta micro and useless banes. he must be REALLY nervous because theres no way his decision making is that poor. Not much you can do with a squishy Zerg army like that against proper Force Fields and Blink/ HT's Archons micro Luvisc could have done a million different things that would have helped him win. Like not attacking into that army at all with diminishing returns. No all the Protoss has to do is leave an archon few stalkers/cannons or Ht at each base and the zerg army can take a ton of damage to even 1-2 HT's because of its Clump/Squishy Factor. This was evident throughout every time Luvsic tried to counter attack. Actually the counterattacks did a lot of damage, Or did you miss the casters noting that Hero lost more than 60 probes? That alone should have put Luvsic significantly ahead if he bothered to expand properly and change his unit composition. And when you're on 4 base it's not hard to build a roach warren/tech to hive so you can move out of your current composition. Hero kept denying bases doesn't matter if hero lost 60 probes to be honest. A Zerg on Same amount of bases with such a squishy army that can be made obsolete to engage directly. Enough Photons and Ht's Archons spread for defense does wonders.... Also When hero lost his probes (the largest amount to banelings) he was still ahead! Hero just denied Luvsics expos constantly.. Really squishy Zerg army 1 Storm can deal 1000's of damage.... Denying expos should have meant very little since ling/bane/muta style requires you to have more bases than P in the first place. In fact you want to trade base for base with ling/bane/muta. Luvsic never expanded fast enough to take advantage of his army's mobility so the base trades were almost always in favor of Hero. And he mindlessly attacked into armies instead of controlling the map, denying bases, and setting up a transition into more gas-intensive tech (all the real strengths of that style). Exactly my point Hero had better economy more bases earlier whole game.. ...because Luvsic played the game poorly. I'm not sure what we are disputing.
Nothing to dispute, I think were just discussing what we saw (and mostly agreeing with each other), at least that was the original back and forth between me and Rad.
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Australia12 Posts
If Hero wins every game from now he'll make it through :D. Hopefully July loses against JYP. I like July, but Hero is really really good and I'd love him to get to code S.
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On December 23 2011 21:20 Sc2Null wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 21:19 Hopelessnoob wrote:On December 23 2011 21:18 Bayyne wrote:
Hero is out. July will take 2nd in his group. If Hero beats Yugioh he has a shot even if hero beats yugioh..yugioh will be 3-1 and at worst..3-2..which hero can't get.
wtf...? Think before you post
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United Kingdom31255 Posts
On December 23 2011 21:22 Drazerk wrote:
3:10Pool and hatchery on the way for both players
4:30
Ling speed on the way for both players, yugioh's is quicker
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On December 23 2011 21:22 Tachion wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 21:21 Meiffeltower wrote:
cant july , yugi and hero all get 4-1 if yugi wins this ?.. then its tiebreakers? yes exactly
false..if july beats jyp and yugioh wins...they both advance
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Wolf speaking nonsense. If Yugioh goes 4-0 he still isn't in Code S, as he has Hero as his last match, so it's possible to have Hero, July and Yuhioh at 4-1
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Not really sure why we are watching this game?
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hoping for a luvsic win so hero has a better chance in the group
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On December 23 2011 21:19 ElephantBaby wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 21:18 Hopelessnoob wrote:
does clide have a grudge against hero? Please stop this. Clide has decent chance to advance before this game.
i am speaking about the dumb build he did. I did NOT say he threw the game. He was trying to win but his build is dumb
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On December 23 2011 21:21 WhurreOdu wrote:
If HerO wins his remaining 2 games it's a three-way tie, so he has a chance to advance ?
Only if Lovesick wins this match, because July won over HerO.
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EPT
