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KiNGxXx
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
7928 Posts
December 15 2011 11:13 GMT
#1921
MVP still in! OMG!
MKP|Maru|TaeJa|Mvp|Polt|INnoVation|GuMiho|Bomber|GoOdy|TeamTerran
0ne
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Spain2464 Posts
December 15 2011 11:13 GMT
#1922
Please MVP go mech. Marine tank battles are retarded
GreyKnight
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4720 Posts
December 15 2011 11:13 GMT
#1923
eh that just seemed strange. i hate how volatile it marine tank is.
Lasbike
Profile Joined January 2011
France2888 Posts
December 15 2011 11:13 GMT
#1924
Bad decision here by MMA
Yang Wenli
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2283 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-15 11:14:19
December 15 2011 11:13 GMT
#1925
MMA is still going to win this, he has his production facilities intact.

...Right?
artrea
Profile Joined March 2011
Latvia3560 Posts
December 15 2011 11:14 GMT
#1926
How does MVP macro so good with half his production buildings killed...
Keyboard Warrior
Profile Joined December 2011
United States1178 Posts
December 15 2011 11:14 GMT
#1927
base trade so bad
Not your regular Keyboard Warrior ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
RaiKageRyu
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada4773 Posts
December 15 2011 11:14 GMT
#1928
If MVP wins this.... he really is a Game Genie
Someone call down the Thunder?
F-Decoy
Profile Joined June 2011
France245 Posts
December 15 2011 11:14 GMT
#1929
Well, ok, korean TvT is far over my understanding.
Logros
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands9913 Posts
December 15 2011 11:14 GMT
#1930
Lol MVP was totally dead twice now.
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
December 15 2011 11:14 GMT
#1931
MMA needs to give the control to Polt when he dives into tank lines. Those are painful to watch after seeing the master do that yesterday :p
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
December 15 2011 11:14 GMT
#1932
wait how is mvp still alive. i walked away and his base was getting pwned and i come back and its not over?
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Sc2Null
Profile Joined April 2011
United States3754 Posts
December 15 2011 11:14 GMT
#1933
and we are back in the game folks lol
The great Spaghetti vs Screwdriver debacle of June '12" - Porcelina
antilyon
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Brazil2546 Posts
December 15 2011 11:14 GMT
#1934
MMA messed up with his last attack now, instead of stutter step his marines towards MVP's tanks he just moved'em.
Lasbike
Profile Joined January 2011
France2888 Posts
December 15 2011 11:14 GMT
#1935
Those 3 free tanks :'(
VeNoM HaZ Skill
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1528 Posts
December 15 2011 11:14 GMT
#1936
MMA always attacking into tank lines when the battles are dead even. What the fuck? Why?
#1 MMA fan! I like you too Taeja. Still patiently waiting for the Crown Prince to become the King.
horsepire
Profile Joined April 2011
147 Posts
December 15 2011 11:15 GMT
#1937
On December 15 2011 20:12 Everlong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 20:12 horsepire wrote:
Wow sick attack by MMA. Wow. What a perfect decision.


You mean 1a into opponents not defended bas? :D


No, what was smart was that he split his army so MVP couldn't counterattack into his main without taking prohibitively heavy losses. The attack was obvious, but it was a great choice to split his army to prevent MVP from counterattacking into his main.
dmnum
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Brazil6910 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-15 11:16:16
December 15 2011 11:15 GMT
#1938
On December 15 2011 20:12 Hassybaby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 20:08 dmnum wrote:
On December 15 2011 20:05 Hassybaby wrote:
On December 15 2011 20:03 dmnum wrote:
On December 15 2011 20:01 Hassybaby wrote:
On December 15 2011 19:58 dmnum wrote:
On December 15 2011 19:50 TheDwf wrote:
On December 15 2011 19:47 dmnum wrote:
Let's go over the maps:
Calm Before the Storm ZvP: 3-7(30%)
Crossfire SE 1.1 ZvP: 5-4 (55.6%)
Dual Sight 1.1 ZvP: 6-9 (40%)
Shakuras Plateau 2.0 ZvP: 6-11 (35.3%)
Antiga Shipyard 1.2 ZvP: 13-10 (56.5%)


3 Maps favoured protoss, 2 favoured zerg. Arguably you can say that dual sight is a bad map for ZvP because you can't get a fast third. That leaves 2 maps HEAVILY favoured for protoss and 2 Slightly favoured for zerg. So yeah, stop QQing.

Nice sample size you have here, drawing balance conclusions out of 10 games is a useful talent toi have.

If I go over all the games where players had comparable skill on all versions of the map it would take too much time to make a very simple point: The maps had nothing to do with the outcome of the series. Crossfire and dual sight are maps known to be good for zerg. Yet MC took dual sight. Shakuras and calm before the storm are good maps for protoss. Yet DRG took Calm before the storm(don't give a shit about mc going for carriers, if he did that do show off it's his own damn fault he lost). Antiga shipyard is a close to balanced map on ZvP.


Rethink that one

Calm before the storm is a bad map for protoss? It's 3-7 since there's no other versions of calm before the storm.
Shakuras plateau when you add the stats for both versions is 17-24 in favour of protoss.


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=288735#5

Its really not 17-24.

I took the stats from TLPD korea since I consider that the metagame differences make their stats more accurate. Anyway, do you believe that mc lost because of the maps?


Nah, he lost because of the sentries forcing his hand to all in. Clever play be DRG, the correct response by MC, the even more correct response by DRG after the damage.

I just get very annoyed when anyone mentions map balance. The fact is that we don't have the data to declare any map to be imbalanced, because there isn't sufficient data to say so. Only the maps that have been played a lot on, and haven't been changed too much (Shakuras, TDA, Metal/Shattered to a point) can we have even a small discussion about balance.
Then my point came across. I don't think any map right now is bad enough to be unplayable for one race. Kinda like how DRG took calm even though I see it as a good map for protoss because it's easy to get on 3 bases(despite the low number of games that happened there), and how mc took dual sight even though it's considered a good map for zerg because it's hard to get a 3rd base there.
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
December 15 2011 11:15 GMT
#1939
TT. MVP wtf.
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
Mycl
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia1370 Posts
December 15 2011 11:16 GMT
#1940
On December 15 2011 20:15 horsepire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 20:12 Everlong wrote:
On December 15 2011 20:12 horsepire wrote:
Wow sick attack by MMA. Wow. What a perfect decision.


You mean 1a into opponents not defended bas? :D


No, what was smart was that he split his army so MVP couldn't counterattack into his main without taking prohibitively heavy losses. The attack was obvious, but it was a great choice to split his army to prevent MVP from counterattacking into his main.


Weren't those marines and tanks back at home just the ones reinforcing?
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