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Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
December 15 2011 11:11 GMT
#1901
Sigh, game ends in an idiotic base trade.
Azzur
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia6260 Posts
December 15 2011 11:11 GMT
#1902
Great move! I think MMA is going to take it!
artrea
Profile Joined March 2011
Latvia3560 Posts
December 15 2011 11:12 GMT
#1903
MVP loses his production...
Lasbike
Profile Joined January 2011
France2888 Posts
December 15 2011 11:12 GMT
#1904
Mvp not going for the base trade
VeNoM HaZ Skill
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1528 Posts
December 15 2011 11:12 GMT
#1905
gg MVp. gg.
#1 MMA fan! I like you too Taeja. Still patiently waiting for the Crown Prince to become the King.
horsepire
Profile Joined April 2011
147 Posts
December 15 2011 11:12 GMT
#1906
Wow sick attack by MMA. Wow. What a perfect decision.
Abort Retry Fail
Profile Joined December 2011
2636 Posts
December 15 2011 11:12 GMT
#1907
mvp is in trouble
BSOD
netsky4
Profile Joined June 2011
Austria511 Posts
December 15 2011 11:12 GMT
#1908
always the same on such big maps : /
LeoLeo
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Sweden456 Posts
December 15 2011 11:12 GMT
#1909
A marine tank game ending in a basetrade? oh my that has never happened before...
Bacon, Orangina and chilling
Mycl
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia1370 Posts
December 15 2011 11:12 GMT
#1910
GSL finals all over again MVP needs to stop wondering around the edge of the map when hes playing against MMA
Rorix
Profile Joined December 2010
357 Posts
December 15 2011 11:12 GMT
#1911
son of boxer!!!! wp wow
roflstomper
Hassybaby
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom10823 Posts
December 15 2011 11:12 GMT
#1912
On December 15 2011 20:08 dmnum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 20:05 Hassybaby wrote:
On December 15 2011 20:03 dmnum wrote:
On December 15 2011 20:01 Hassybaby wrote:
On December 15 2011 19:58 dmnum wrote:
On December 15 2011 19:50 TheDwf wrote:
On December 15 2011 19:47 dmnum wrote:
Let's go over the maps:
Calm Before the Storm ZvP: 3-7(30%)
Crossfire SE 1.1 ZvP: 5-4 (55.6%)
Dual Sight 1.1 ZvP: 6-9 (40%)
Shakuras Plateau 2.0 ZvP: 6-11 (35.3%)
Antiga Shipyard 1.2 ZvP: 13-10 (56.5%)


3 Maps favoured protoss, 2 favoured zerg. Arguably you can say that dual sight is a bad map for ZvP because you can't get a fast third. That leaves 2 maps HEAVILY favoured for protoss and 2 Slightly favoured for zerg. So yeah, stop QQing.

Nice sample size you have here, drawing balance conclusions out of 10 games is a useful talent toi have.

If I go over all the games where players had comparable skill on all versions of the map it would take too much time to make a very simple point: The maps had nothing to do with the outcome of the series. Crossfire and dual sight are maps known to be good for zerg. Yet MC took dual sight. Shakuras and calm before the storm are good maps for protoss. Yet DRG took Calm before the storm(don't give a shit about mc going for carriers, if he did that do show off it's his own damn fault he lost). Antiga shipyard is a close to balanced map on ZvP.


Rethink that one

Calm before the storm is a bad map for protoss? It's 3-7 since there's no other versions of calm before the storm.
Shakuras plateau when you add the stats for both versions is 17-24 in favour of protoss.


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=288735#5

Its really not 17-24.

I took the stats from TLPD korea since I consider that the metagame differences make their stats more accurate. Anyway, do you believe that mc lost because of the maps?


Nah, he lost because of the sentries forcing his hand to all in. Clever play be DRG, the correct response by MC, the even more correct response by DRG after the damage.

I just get very annoyed when anyone mentions map balance. The fact is that we don't have the data to declare any map to be imbalanced, because there isn't sufficient data to say so. Only the maps that have been played a lot on, and haven't been changed too much (Shakuras, TDA, Metal/Shattered to a point) can we have even a small discussion about balance.
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ChaosSmurf
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United Kingdom175 Posts
December 15 2011 11:12 GMT
#1913
Base trades are so lame, fucks sake =/
Derez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Netherlands6068 Posts
December 15 2011 11:12 GMT
#1914
Well that's marine tank for you ;p.
Everlong
Profile Joined April 2010
Czech Republic1973 Posts
December 15 2011 11:12 GMT
#1915
On December 15 2011 20:12 horsepire wrote:
Wow sick attack by MMA. Wow. What a perfect decision.


You mean 1a into opponents not defended bas? :D
s3183529
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia707 Posts
December 15 2011 11:13 GMT
#1916
MMA is MVP's immortal enemy
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37071 Posts
December 15 2011 11:13 GMT
#1917
On December 15 2011 20:09 Seeker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 20:05 Seeker wrote:
On December 15 2011 20:02 Seeker wrote:
On December 15 2011 19:58 Seeker wrote:
MVP
vs
MMA

on Calm Before the Storm

MVP at top right

MMA at bottom left

First 5 minutes

MMA opens no rax double CC

MVP opens no rax double CC
MVP building his barracks off to the side

MMA building his barracks right at the ramp
MMA grabbing gas

MVP not grabbing gas
MVP grabbing 2 barracks
MVP scouts MMA but MMA is walled off

MMA scouts MVP
MMA hitting a fac
MMA getting double gas


5 - 10 minutes

MVP getting 3 barracks

MMA getting 3rd gas

MVP getting a 4th barracks

MMA scans and sees MVP's tech
MMA going for banshees

MVP grabs his 3rd
MVP has the watch tower

MMA now building his 3rd CC

MVP has an ebay
MVP getting turrets

MMA's banshee flies over to MVP's base

MVP getting combat shield
MVP mining from his 3rd

MMA flies in to MVP's turret then backs off

MVP grabbing stim

MMA getting more barracks
MMA going for double ebays
MMA now scouts the 3rd expo of MVP
MMA microing around MVP's marines

MVP scans but MMA barely gets away


10 - 15 minutes

MMA harassing from the bottom side as well
MMA getting a lot of barracks

MVP has a reactor on all his rax (excluding 1 with the tech lab)

MMA heading for a drop on MVP

MVP moves out
MVP scans and snipes the read health banshee

MMA drops MVP's back natural
MMA stims and is taking down couple of scvs

MVP however blocks off well cause MMA accidentally lost all his medivacs to turrets

MMA now grabs his 3rd
MMA has tanks

MVP has so so so many marines......

MMA slowly advancing on to MVP

MVP stims in snipes a marine and backs off

Back and forth from both players

But MMA advancing very well on to MMA

Battle ensues

MVP flanks MMA
MVP takes all of MMA's tanks

MMA takes all of MVP's tanks

After about an equal give and take from both players, MMA backs off

MVP is behind however


15 - 20 minutes

MMA still on MVP
MMA decides to drop MVP rather than take on MVP's army
MMA deals some dmg but MVP's tanks are too well placed, MMA picks up and retreats for now

MVP taking a hidden expansion at 11:00
MVP with a very sexy stim in/snipe tanks/backs off

MMA also deciding to take a 4th

MVP stims in and takes advantage of MMA's mistake

Battle ensues

Once again both players trade off marines/tanks

MMA scouts MVP's 4th

Battle ensues

MVP stims in, takes out MMA's army

MMA retreats

MVP gets a PF on his 4th
MVP now slowly advancing towards MMA

Battle ensues

MVP stims in but this time MMA comes out on top because of the watch tower


20 - 25 minutes

MVP decides to move around the map but scouted by MMA's scvs
MVP however sees MMA's scvs heading to MMA's 5:00 expansion and sieges up on it

MMA loses that CC (da fuck? Lift MMA?)
MMA grabbing the 4th at 9:00
MMA decides to attack MVP

Battle ensues

MMA takes down everything that MVP has

MVP takes down everything MMA has

Base trade ensues

MMA in a much better position than MVP

MVP tries to take down MMA's base but MMA has tanks while MVP is losing his whole base

MMA destroying EVERYTHING in MVP's base
MMA kills the CC of MVP's 3rd
MMA kills MVP's 2nd as well

MVP tries to come back to defend his base
MVP manages to defend his base but he has lose his base completely

MMA moves out again with another fierce army
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jjhchsc2
Profile Joined December 2010
Korea (South)2393 Posts
December 15 2011 11:13 GMT
#1918
wow that macro!!!
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Keyboard Warrior
Profile Joined December 2011
United States1178 Posts
December 15 2011 11:13 GMT
#1919
150 vs 90
Not your regular Keyboard Warrior ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
nofacej
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia164 Posts
December 15 2011 11:13 GMT
#1920
Mvp always makes terrible base trade decisions imo.
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