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Can't go to lunch without coming back to 20+ reports. This makes me upset. Stop the bullshit or get ready to hammered. Thanks --Pholon
blooblooblahblah
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4163 Posts
December 13 2011 09:48 GMT
#881
Naniwa is in an okay spot right now, kind of a tricky situation for both players.
Ganzi beat me without stim. Ostojiy beat me with a nydus. Siphonn beat me with probes. Revival beat my sentry-immortal all-in.
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12064 Posts
December 13 2011 09:48 GMT
#882
On December 13 2011 18:47 BoomNasty wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 18:46 SafeAsCheese wrote:
They are about equal now, naniwa is not behind


Naniwa is definitely behind, he lost a nexus.


He has more probes and leenock still has no hatch. They were even.
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wklbishop
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1286 Posts
December 13 2011 09:48 GMT
#883
ok... the amount of bias moletrap and khaldor are showing for naniwa is kind of annoying.
Gameplay > Personality
aderum
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Sweden1459 Posts
December 13 2011 09:48 GMT
#884
On December 13 2011 18:46 gibb wrote:
Are they even now ?


yeah i would say about even.
Crazy people dont sit around and wonder if they are insane
nihlon
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden5581 Posts
December 13 2011 09:48 GMT
#885
On December 13 2011 18:47 BoomNasty wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 18:46 SafeAsCheese wrote:
They are about equal now, naniwa is not behind


Naniwa is definitely behind, he lost a nexus.


Leenock baneling bust from one base so it evens it out.
Banelings are too cute to blow up
Sc2Null
Profile Joined April 2011
United States3754 Posts
December 13 2011 09:48 GMT
#886
isn't ZvP leenock's weakest mu?
The great Spaghetti vs Screwdriver debacle of June '12" - Porcelina
Adreme
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5574 Posts
December 13 2011 09:48 GMT
#887
On December 13 2011 18:48 SafeAsCheese wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 18:47 BoomNasty wrote:
On December 13 2011 18:46 SafeAsCheese wrote:
They are about equal now, naniwa is not behind


Naniwa is definitely behind, he lost a nexus.


Leenock lost a ton of units, and killed nothing but a nexus, pylon, and cannon.


Also he was on 1 base production and mining that whole time which is never good.
EchoZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Japan5041 Posts
December 13 2011 09:48 GMT
#888
Halluc inc.
Dear Sixsmith...
Latham
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
9593 Posts
December 13 2011 09:48 GMT
#889
Impressive hold. That would have been really anticlimatic if Leenock would have won right there.
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ChriS-X
Profile Joined June 2011
Malaysia1374 Posts
December 13 2011 09:48 GMT
#890
On December 13 2011 18:43 JoeSchmoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 18:41 tkRage wrote:
On December 13 2011 18:41 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
On December 13 2011 18:38 Serpico wrote:
On December 13 2011 18:37 neoghaleon55 wrote:
On December 13 2011 18:36 Giriath wrote:
Buff Ultralisks already Blizzard, no need to wait for HotS.


Ultras are fine.
Nestea is just terrible at using them.
He needs to learn from DRG...freaking ultrabane for god's sakes

um, they're absolutely garbage against ghosts. They're just terrible.

Ultras are fine... Plz don't have them fight marines without ling / baneling support, plz have good creep, and plz use queens.

Creep highway with overlords honestly shouldnt be that hard to setup if you failed to get creep in midgame =.=

And honestly, recreeping is something zergs need to start doing.

how about ling infestor broodlord ultralisk
oh that's right terran has marines
you're not really an authority figure on starcraft 2 anymore.


yeah well banelings own tanks.

hey look i can spew random crap too

you mean thors
Giriath
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden2412 Posts
December 13 2011 09:48 GMT
#891
On December 13 2011 18:46 JJH777 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 18:43 Coolhwip wrote:
If zerg should autowin every time they were 50 supply ahead, every zvp woulnd end after 8 minutes


That is incredibly different. Ultra/Broodlord is extremely low in supply/resource. Roaches are the only time zerg has a 50 supply advantage and they are like the highest supply/resource unit in the game.


Yes, getting a high supply on anything but roaches will cost more and should thus be capable of doing more damage.
Education should be our seniors guiding us to be "who" we want to be, not "what" we want to be.
Luppy1
Profile Joined June 2011
Singapore177 Posts
December 13 2011 09:48 GMT
#892
On December 13 2011 18:42 Dubes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 18:41 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
On December 13 2011 18:38 Serpico wrote:
On December 13 2011 18:37 neoghaleon55 wrote:
On December 13 2011 18:36 Giriath wrote:
Buff Ultralisks already Blizzard, no need to wait for HotS.


Ultras are fine.
Nestea is just terrible at using them.
He needs to learn from DRG...freaking ultrabane for god's sakes

um, they're absolutely garbage against ghosts. They're just terrible.

Ultras are fine... Plz don't have them fight marines without ling / baneling support, plz have good creep, and plz use queens.

Creep highway with overlords honestly shouldnt be that hard to setup if you failed to get creep in midgame =.=

And honestly, recreeping is something zergs need to start doing.


well said, definitely something a lot of top zergs are lacking at the moment, it seems odd watching great players avoid setting creep highways


Remember when artosis kept pointing out July's lack of creep spread? July's reply was that there's already simply too much to do and his focus is on elsewhere. Spreading creep is not as simple as just remembering to do it when zerg macro requires so much apm. It's easy to criticise.
0ne
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Spain2464 Posts
December 13 2011 09:48 GMT
#893
On December 13 2011 18:47 BoomNasty wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 18:46 SafeAsCheese wrote:
They are about equal now, naniwa is not behind


Naniwa is definitely behind, he lost a nexus.

He didn't lose any probes though
alpsi
Profile Joined April 2009
Finland437 Posts
December 13 2011 09:48 GMT
#894
On December 13 2011 18:48 Macabre wrote:
Loving NaNiwa's crisis management. If he does a timing attack to hit Leenock's 3rd, he will have a good shot.

yeah i was sure he'd lose that right there
PapaJed
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden211 Posts
December 13 2011 09:48 GMT
#895
Someone please explain why P feel the need to fastexpand against Z? It seems very hard to keep the Nexus, even for the pros. Do P need to expand that quickly to stand a chance later?
ChaosTerran
Profile Joined August 2011
Austria844 Posts
December 13 2011 09:48 GMT
#896
On December 13 2011 18:44 Giriath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 18:41 Sc2Null wrote:
On December 13 2011 18:38 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
On December 13 2011 18:36 FuzzyJAM wrote:
Honestly, NesTea is pretty terrible at late game ZvT.

So
Soooo true.

Falls apart completely.


I think it falls more into the realm of terran gets harder to kill the later the game goes due to fortification..as displayed by MMA when he was building barracks to create a joke...but what do I know.


That's true. The further away a game goes from mid-game, the harder it becomes for a Zerg to close out the game. I really wish snipe was nerfed (it's also needed in TvP, where Ghost vs Templar needs to be an even fight) and Ultralisks buffed with their charge ability.


Ghosts vs. Templars should not be an even fight lol, it's already hard enough for terran to win lategame tvp even with perfect emps, if you nerf snipe vs. templars it would be absolutely unfair, because you know, templars can kill units with storms, emps don't kill any units at all.
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42417 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-13 09:49:00
December 13 2011 09:48 GMT
#897
GOMTV GOMTV
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"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97277 Posts
December 13 2011 09:49 GMT
#898
leenock taking his 3rd at the typical 4th
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Sareth
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany1008 Posts
December 13 2011 09:49 GMT
#899
On December 13 2011 18:48 Coolhwip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 18:44 Asha` wrote:
Why are people laughing about Nani opening like this on Bel'shir? It's completely reasonable and to 100% be expected...

He just needs to scout better this time.


INdeed, so many people dont know shit about zvp too be honest and should be quiet


its not about that opening on that map; it just that this is like a exact repeat of their last match.
MrCash
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1504 Posts
December 13 2011 09:49 GMT
#900
Although that was a lot of damage, is Leenock really that far ahead?
His expos was extremely late as well and he didn't build up much of a worker lead.
Almost feels like they simply postponed the regular game a few minutes.
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